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Painting Logos On Belly: Not A US Thing?  
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4081 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10511 times:

I notice that Emirates and Qatar paint their logos on the belly of their planes. Here in southern New Hampshire, I can identify their planes as they come in from their transatlantic trips. But putting the logo on the belly of domestic airliners doesn't seem to be a thing we do over here.

Who besides Emirates & Qatar does this?

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User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10494 times:
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Who besides Emirates and Qatar does this?

Air Asia
airberlin
Biman Bangladesh Airlines
CityJet
Jetstar
Pakistan International Airlines
Turkish Airlines
Virgin Atlantic

[Edited 2012-07-08 10:01:54]

[Edited 2012-07-08 10:05:46]

User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10443 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):
But putting the logo on the belly of domestic airliners doesn't seem to be a thing we do over here.

And I am soooo thankful for that!!! Let's hope that continues to be the case.




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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10416 times:

Slightly off topic, but I am still surprised businesses have not approached airlines to use this space as flying billboards. For example, Coca Cola paying DL money to lease this space and place the Coke logo on the bottom of the plane. Seems like a good way for airlines to pick up extra money in a challenging environment.

User currently offlineN172DM From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10381 times:

Not excactly on the belly, but Cargolux has thier logo painted on the underside of the nose. I wish that was more common here. It makes it a lot easier to identify the airline when it flies over and gives it a cool look, I think.

Danny



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10361 times:

To be honest does coke really even need to advertise? I think something like this would be ideal for a small / start up company, though they probably could not afford it.


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User currently offlineMcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Being so close to the ground and the engines, I would imagine that this part of the aircraft is also the dirtiest. Emirates and Qatar have the money and the desire to maintain the aircraft's physical appearance after each flight. Many American carriers do not have either of these factors.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24670 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10301 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 3):
Slightly off topic, but I am still surprised businesses have not approached airlines to use this space as flying billboards. For example, Coca Cola paying DL money to lease this space and place the Coke logo on the bottom of the plane. Seems like a good way for airlines to pick up extra money in a challenging environment.

That would be a waste of advertising funds in my opinion. Not 1 in 1000 people even look up with an aircraft flies over these days. Best to spend the money advertising on objects that are in peoples' line of sight.


User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 395 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10224 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Thread starter):
But putting the logo on the belly of domestic airliners doesn't seem to be a thing we do over here.

True, however it would be difficult to read the writing on the belly of an RJ!  


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8186 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10197 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
That would be a waste of advertising funds in my opinion.

Agreed. You need to get out of the airport bum mentality and realize that most people on this planet don't even turn their head when an airplane goes by, let alone look straight up.



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User currently offlinesmws From Estonia, joined Jun 2012, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10086 times:

The new Estonian Air livery has the company logo on the bottom of the plane, too.

[Edited 2012-07-08 11:05:36]

User currently offlineBlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

Airports are a huge NIMBY magnet. Why make filing a complaint easier?  

User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4935 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9391 times:

Because the airlines here in the U.S. would view it as some kind of security risk.

Like an AA F/A told me one time. I am not supposed to look at the N number registration of the aircraft because "it's secret information" and for me to even see it is considered a security risk.



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User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9328 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 12):
Like an AA F/A told me one time. I am not supposed to look at the N number registration of the aircraft because "it's secret information" and for me to even see it is considered a security risk.

That FA is an idiot, but truthfully we don't usually know the tail number/N number of the aircraft. Everything at UA is done by ship number, which is an internal designation.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Quoting N172DM (Reply 4):
Not excactly on the belly, but Cargolux has thier logo painted on the underside of the nose. I wish that was more common here. It makes it a lot easier to identify the airline when it flies over and gives it a cool look, I think.

Doesn't Korean Air do that too?

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 5):
To be honest does coke really even need to advertise? I think something like this would be ideal for a small / start up company, though they probably could not afford it.

They just advertised at Daytona big time yesterday at the race called the Coke Zero 400

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Agreed. You need to get out of the airport bum mentality and realize that most people on this planet don't even turn their head when an airplane goes by, let alone look straight up.

Remember Western Pacific did that - I remember hearing about people purposely going out of their way just so they could fly the Simpsons plane

Quoting type-rated (Reply 12):
Like an AA F/A told me one time. I am not supposed to look at the N number registration of the aircraft because "it's secret information" and for me to even see it is considered a security risk.

That's not too far off actually. At San Antonio Airport on their city code or airport ordinance page it says that recording tail numbers is illegal there.


User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
Agreed. You need to get out of the airport bum mentality and realize that most people on this planet don't even turn their head when an airplane goes by, let alone look straight up.

I feel the same way. It seems people who aren't into aviation couldn't tell the difference between a CRJ-700 and a 767, yet alone which airline's metal is overhead. I think airlines don't see painting logos on the bellies as being worth the expense. If you don't know airline logos well, you would only be able to clearly identify what's painted on the underside if the plane is taking off or on approach. Paying more for something that will be targeted to people who are coming to or going from the airport doesn't seem like a good investment to me when the regular livery does the same thing..


User currently offlineusair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8769 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Not 1 in 1000 people even look up with an aircraft flies over these days. Best to spend the money advertising on objects that are in peoples' line of sight.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
You need to get out of the airport bum mentality and realize that most people on this planet don't even turn their head when an airplane goes by, let alone look straight up.

Over the years I have come to realize that. The fact is that airplanes in the sky today are so much more quite than those of the 90's. You would look up when you heard a 727 or a DC9 over head. Not anymore.

If the paint or decal adds weight that could be another reason US airlines haven't done it.

[Edited 2012-07-08 20:04:21]

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7528 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8302 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 3):
Slightly off topic, but I am still surprised businesses have not approached airlines to use this space as flying billboards. For example, Coca Cola paying DL money to lease this space and place the Coke logo on the bottom of the plane. Seems like a good way for airlines to pick up extra money in a challenging environment.

At the same time, airlines such as DL, UA, etc are trying to build their own brand, no need for them to make aircraft advertising space. The best at doing that though was Western Pacific.



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User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

I think we airliner nerds are the only ones that still look up. The belly logos are nice, but the paint does add weight, and the logo looks like crap; after weather, fuel/soot stands and biffy leaks. Not good public image in that case.


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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 6):
Being so close to the ground and the engines, I would imagine that this part of the aircraft is also the dirtiest. Emirates and Qatar have the money and the desire to maintain the aircraft's physical appearance after each flight. Many American carriers do not have either of these factors.

I have seen the EK logo on the center body area, where the MLG are stowed, and it always looks nice and sharp. They must make sure it stays clean.... I don't think Air France has a logo painted there!
 
Quoting type-rated (Reply 12):
Because the airlines here in the U.S. would view it as some kind of security risk.

Like an AA F/A told me one time. I am not supposed to look at the N number registration of the aircraft because "it's secret information" and for me to even see it is considered a security risk.

Yes, I can see how it might be considered a security risk if someone on the ground with binoculars were able to identify a specific aircraft flying overhead.

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 13):
That FA is an idiot, but truthfully we don't usually know the tail number/N number of the aircraft. Everything at UA is done by ship number, which is an internal designation.

...and that four-digit number is visible to anyone who knows where to look for it on the exterior, and on the UA website under flight status.

Related to this topic, I've noticed that many non-U.S. airlines have the aircraft's registry number painted on the underside of the wings, so that from below one can tell exactly what plane it is.

Why is that, any why do no U.S. operators do this? Security again?


User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7644 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
That's not too far off actually. At San Antonio Airport on their city code or airport ordinance page it says that recording tail numbers is illegal there.

Are you serious? Why is that?

That is completely ridiculous, for them to actually go out of their way and say "to record reg. #s is illegal". Do they have the right to do this? Are they following some sort of FAA regulation or is this just something they are enforcing on their own?

I just don't get how knowing/asking/recording reg. #s is somehow a security risk. The airplanes have the Reg. # on their tail, visible for anyone to see.

What damage or risk is there in me knowing an aircraft's registration number?

And if it was truly illegal or a security risk, why does the FAA have a Registration Number look up page on their website. They provide all the information of all U.S. registered aircraft.

I think some people are just a little nutty. When i flew last year with G4 I asked the FA (on both trips) what the tail number of the aircraft was, and they gladly gave it to me.

I guess it just depends on the person.



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7174 times:
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Quoting luv2fly (Reply 5):

To be honest does coke really even need to advertise?

For many reasons, yes.

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 2):
And I am soooo thankful for that!!! Let's hope that continues to be the case.

Same here. It looks cheesy (except with EK) and is pretty much pointless.

Quoting EricR (Reply 3):
but I am still surprised businesses have not approached airlines to use this space as flying billboards.

What airline would be interested in diluting their brand image to do that?

Besides that, most people don't look up to see an airplane pass overhead. Personally, unless I am actively spotting planes I don't look up as a plane passes overhead.. usually I'm driving whenever an airplane crosses my path and I shouldn't take my eyes off the roadway.. I've also never *casually* (for a reason other than spotting) been anywhere where aircraft pass overhead low enough that you can read what's on the underbelly.



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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6344 times:
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Quoting Schweigend (Reply 19):
Related to this topic, I've noticed that many non-U.S. airlines have the aircraft's registry number painted on the underside of the wings, so that from below one can tell exactly what plane it is.

Why is that, any why do no U.S. operators do this? Security again?

Regulatory requirement by many other authorities to have the number clearly visible from the ground.



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User currently offlineboeing773W From South Africa, joined Mar 2012, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6219 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 19):
Yes, I can see how it might be considered a security risk if someone on the ground with binoculars were able to identify a specific aircraft flying overhead.

Why on Earth would you say that is a security risk? Do you honestly think that someone with the capabilities to cause harm to an aircraft would actually need the registration number from the ground?


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Didn't Sun Country paint "HI" and a smiley face on the underside of a 727 or DC-10?

25 thrufru : I don't know... I think i'd be quite nice to have looked up and seen the United Tulip, Delta Widget or American Chicken on the bottom of someone's bel
26 ChrisNH : In this day of ADS-B technology, the 'logo on the belly' isn't compromising security any more than 'recording registration numbers' would. No logo? no
27 Post contains images bucchinij : One of the main reason the average person on the ground would probably look up at an airplane would be to see the airplane which is making a lot of no
28 Post contains links briboy : Indeed. From http://www.sanantonio.gov/Aviation/i...dedfiles/upload-217201130045pm.pdf Section 3-150 - Prohibition against the Recording of Aircraft
29 747400sp : Yes, KAL do have something writing on the bottom of their cargo 747s noses. UPS, also paints their logo on the bottom of their 744s noses.
30 SkyTeamTriStar : Totally ridicules. The N-number, Ship number is plastered inside the cabin and in several different places, at that! I've seen it plastered in galley
31 mcr : Virgin Atlantic doesn't, AFAIK, unless it's only on the Gatwick fleet - I watch their aircraft come in and out of LHR all day and have never noticed
32 Post contains images ChrisNH : I record the registration numbers of every plane I've flown on. On night flights or when the plane is parked a certain way, it's often impossible to '
33 poLOT : The idea that US airlines don't paint their name/logo on the bottom of the fuselage because it is a security risk is laughable. The logo/name on the b
34 RussianJet : Air Berlin also do it.
35 dc10bhx : KAL / UPS / Cargolux (and a whole host of other 74F operators) have their name on the bottom of the door so when it is raised up for loading / unloadi
36 SmittyOne : Win! I'd say good luck enforcing this now that the post-9/11 hysteria has worn off a bit. Though by the wording I wonder if the intent is to stop ind
37 luv2fly : Yes a relatively new drink, no reason to call it the coke classic.
38 luv2fly : Do you honestly think that if coke stopped advertising people would forget about them. They literally own the soft drink market.
39 Post contains links and images TCX69K : View Large View MediumPhoto © Anany JainView Large View MediumPhoto © William Verguet Yes they do..
40 type-rated : I totally agree, it's part of the 9/11 hysteria. When I told the F/A you could see the number painted on the side of the aircraft from the gate she s
41 Post contains images Maverick623 : Completely unenforceable. In fact, it must be visible from the passenger cabin. Look up by the front lav, L1, or L2 door (depending on the airplane),
42 Post contains links CitationJet : Agree, especially when Flightaware lists the registration number of aircraft flying in and out of SAT. http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KSAT
43 NASCARAirforce : I think it is more for a "paparazzi" purpose as to not wanting you to look up famous people's planes at the FBOs. I think that more applies to the pr
44 Viscount724 : There's no US FAA requirement to do this so why waste the money? Certain other countries require it.
45 Maverick623 : Meh. Let them flip out... it's funny having people yell at you when you don't give a crap. As long as you aren't on their property, they really can't
46 NASCARAirforce : Even Canadian do that. I don't think British do, but most South/Central American and Carribean do as well as some European carriers like KLM. I wish
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