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Could Emirates Upgrade Dublin To A380 In Future?  
User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

With EK upgrading its DUB - DXB route from and A330 to 777W within just a few months could EK upgrade to an A380 in the near future with more A380 deliveries coming to EK and freeing them up a bit could DUB get an A380 with in a few years if they upgrade the airport for the A380?


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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6542 times:
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Long term perhaps. What they'll do first is increase frequency.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

I agree with David_itl; it will want to move to a second daily service and I could see that happening within the next 1-2 years; the overnight departure from DUB would connect more efficiently with the morning departures from DXB to Australia, so that service would do well.

I really can't see an A380 happening for some time to come; filling two 777s a day would be much better than one A380; great if it happens, but I don't see it for some time yet.


User currently offlineCabincrewifly From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

Could a packed A380 even lift off the runway at DUB?


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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3699 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Out of curiosity, does EK have a limit on flights into and out of DUB? Might it consider continuing on to the US and would they be able to use US pre-clearance?


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 3):
Could a packed A380 even lift off the runway at DUB?

Yes it shouldn't be a problem on a mid-haul flight to DXB.


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User currently offlineCabincrewifly From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6415 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):
Out of curiosity, does EK have a limit on flights into and out of DUB? Might it consider continuing on to the US and would they be able to use US pre-clearance?
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):
Out of curiosity, does EK have a limit on flights into and out of DUB? Might it consider continuing on to the US and would they be able to use US pre-clearance?

That would be very interesting......

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 3):
Could a packed A380 even lift off the runway at DUB?

Yes it shouldn't be a problem on a mid-haul flight to DXB.

Cool  



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User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):


I think it's against the law for a non E.U airline to to make a stopover in DUB just to use the U.S preclearence but it would be great



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 3):
Could a packed A380 even lift off the runway at DUB?

Even in a scenario where it may be packed with pax, it would not need anywhere near a full load of fuel - remember, EK have sent the A380 to BHX before, which has an even shorter runway. I think this runway issue is way over played - it is absolutely not a problem for flights of this duration. Any runway that a 747 can get off, an A380 can too.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):
Out of curiosity, does EK have a limit on flights into and out of DUB? Might it consider continuing on to the US and would they be able to use US pre-clearance?

No, no limits, there is open skies between Ireland and the UAE, and yes, Emirates could use US pre-clearance, but given they have aircraft with the ability to do USA-UAE non stop, i'm not really sure they would want to.



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User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

MAN has a dounle daily with an A380 and A330 would it not just be better using a 777W both ways?


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User currently onlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6312 times:

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 3):
Could a packed A380 even lift off the runway at DUB?

The runway length is no problem, the 380 needs less runway than the 747. But you might need to make some changes to the taxiways where there are turns involved, these areas would probably need widening. But you wouldn't have to do all taxiways, just a few designated A380 routes.
Another thing you would need is a gate large enough. You don't want to remote park it on a scheduled basis.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 10):
Another thing you would need is a gate large enough. You don't want to remote park it on a scheduled basis.

Pier B would be very adaptable for this. It already has an upper level (that is not even being used anymore) that could be adapted to provide upper level boarding.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6249 times:
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Quoting irishair98 (Reply 9):

MAN has a dounle daily with an A380 and A330 would it not just be better using a 777W both ways?

Actually Manchester has
1 morning A332, 1 afternoon A380 and 1 evening 77W each day.

The A332 is scheduled to go to a 773 in September.

Manchester will then have First Class on all three daily flights.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6249 times:
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Quoting irishair98 (Reply 9):
MAN has a dounle daily with an A380 and A330 would it not just be better using a 777W both ways?


Actually 3 daily:

EK21/22 - currently A330 going 777 shortly
EK17/18 - currently A380
EK19/20 - currently 77W.

Interesting conjecture for next year at MAN:

1) EK23/24 begins
2) EK19/20 goes A380
3) EK begins daily cargo

1) could happen on its own

2) and 3) are interlinked

If all three happen, I'll be shocked.

Already seen one analyst saying MAN's demand is as robust as LHR's for EK.


User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

would Pier B not be to close to the other piers and terminal 2 ?


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 13):
Already seen one analyst saying MAN's demand is as robust as LHR's for EK.

I can well believe that. Four daily by the end of 2013 with 2 x A388 and 2 x 77W would be my suggestion.


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 14):
would Pier B not be to close to the other piers and terminal 2 ?

No. The outer 4 gates at Pier B have no space constraints of any sort with regards to other piers. The A380 is also not a very long aircraft compared with the 77W which uses Pier B often on Air France rugby charters.

There are no infrastructure constraints that cannot be sorted out quite easily.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 1):
Long term perhaps. What they'll do first is increase frequency.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
I agree with David_itl; it will want to move to a second daily service and I could see that happening within the next 1-2 years

While I also believe that a second daily frequency is in the cards, as soon as next year, an upgauge of the sole morning flight is not without precedent. EK is about to start sending the A388 to AMS, although it had initially filed for a second daily frequency.


User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5736 times:

within the next 10 years or so DUB could see an A380 from EK but most of EK's passengers are probably only making a stopover at DXB onto australasia


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 18):

That goes for all EK pax from anywhere, not just Dublin.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13437 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5634 times:
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Quoting david_itl (Reply 1):
Long term perhaps. What they'll do first is increase frequency.

I'm going to agree with this. DUB is for expatriate traffic and being connected to a second wave would improve demand more than the bar on the A380.

But let us face it. The bar on the A380 should be very popular from DUB.     
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 17):
While I also believe that a second daily frequency is in the cards, as soon as next year, an upgauge of the sole morning flight is not without precedent. EK is about to start sending the A388 to AMS, although it had initially filed for a second daily frequency.

From what I've heard on DUB demand, I could see both within the next 12 months.

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User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

The demand is very high, within a few weeks of there inagural flight EK announced that they would upgrade to a 777W starting from july first but the aircraft upgrade was needed so bad they deceided to start using the 777W from may 1st   


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

I remember when the service was first announced, there was talk on a certain other site that:

A) DUB would not work for EK
B) There was "no demand"
C) Those idiots over on a.net already talking about an A380

Good to see the first two at least utterly disproved!

I wont hold my breath on the A380, but it's good to see it actually being taken seriously.



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User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 22):

but thats when EK thought DUB wouldn't be a success. EK are doing absolutly great in dublin within a few years they could have an A380 if dublin upgrades



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