moderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 459 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 48987 times:
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With the Farnborough International Airshow 2012 now upon us and the expected announcement of order from Airbus, Boeing, as well as manufacturers like Bombardier, Embraer, ATR, and Sukhoi, we are going to have dedicated threads for Airbus orders, Boeing orders, and one for other manufacturers.
The purpose of these threads is to keep a daily tabulation on any announcements made and to keep seperate each companies announcements. Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.
We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread, that way a free and open discussion can be had on these orders without overwhelming the official threads.
This is the dedicated thread for the discussion of Boeing orders. The dedicated threads for Airbus and other manufacturers can be found here:
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[Edited 2012-07-08 15:39:54]
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flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 46919 times:
ALC kicks it off with an order for 75 MAX:
"FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 9, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Air Lease Corporation (NYSE: AL) announced today a firm order for 60 737 MAX 8 and 15 737 MAX 9 airplanes, with reconfirmation rights for 25 additional 737 MAXs. The order, with a list-price value of $7.2 billion, represents the first 737 MAX order by a leasing company." http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2323
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8740 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 40870 times:
I wonder who the ALC airplanes are going to go to? I’d speculate that some could be going to Korean Air since ALC financed the brand new Korean 739ER that is parked on static display at Farnborough this year.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 36050 times:
This thread is for the discussion of actual orders that have been announced, not rumored ones or for making speculations. If you want to post rumors and speculation on orders, please do so in the following thread and refrain from doing so in this thread (or the Airbus or Other Manufacturers threads):
krisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 29622 times:
Finally something new for the 767/757 flight deck. I bet this will go well with some airlines who will be forced to keep their 767s in the air longer due to the 787 delays. Should help with training costs for pilots going from the 767 to 787/777.
Will this enable current 767/757s to do GNSS/GPS approaches, I know some 757s have already been upgraded with new displays to help them fly precision approaches.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 26362 times:
Quoting gkirk (Reply 5): GECAS order 75 x 737MAX and 25 737-800s...
Yeah!! Great news. I guess this is the year of the MAX.
Im still hoping we see at least 1 7478I order firmed up.
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1191 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 25910 times:
So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?
flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 25908 times:
ALAFCO commits to 20 MAX:
"Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Kuwait airplane leasing company ALAFCO today announced a commitment at the 2012 Farnborough Airshow for 20 Boeing 737 MAX 8s valued at $1.9 billion at current list prices."
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 13, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 24778 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9): I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?
Yes, the MAX is now 876 frames behind (pending confirmation of the UA order), but Boeing claims to have hundreds and hundreds more commitments (each of which requires a deposit payment, so they are more than just Letters of Intent or Memorandums of Understanding) so...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 15, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 24341 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 15): I was expecting a flood of MAX orders this year, it does not seem like it will happen.
We're barely halfway through the year, so a bit early to declare failure, IMO. Anyway, let us keep this thread about orders that have happened.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 22413 times:
A reminder, this thread is for the discussion of announced orders and that's it. No comparing the number of orders of a Boeing a/c with that of a competing Airbus product, nothing in regards to rumored ordered. If users want to do that, do it in a separate thread. The Moderators have had to gut this thread a few times already because some of the participants are choosing to ignore the requests made of them by the Moderators.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 22287 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9): So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?
I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1191 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21475 times:
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 17): I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.
I would agree - however, my comment focused solely on the order book. Boeing to my knowledge has not released any info showing exactly how many commitments it has and until it does, I don't see how we can count them as orders.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18486 times:
Ok so including UA we have about 300 orders for the MAX and like 25 for the 737-800NG. Not too shaby.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17571 times:
Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 24, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17011 times:
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 23): Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.
Boeing booked over 500 737NG orders in both 2010 and 2011, so I'm not surprised the orders are lower this year (117 to date) as there are over 2100 737NGs in the backlog with deliveries stretching out to 2016. With the MAX expected to EIS in 2017, we are now approaching the crossover point where an order placed for either a 737NG or a 737MAX would deliver in the same time period.
25 CM: I do not believe there are very many 737NG positions remaining available until you get out beyond 2017. Boeing will undoubtedly be pushing customers
26 srbmod: Once again, this thread is for the discussion of Boeing orders only. Orders for any other manufacturer not named Boeing are off topic in this thread (
27 Chiad: Has there been any confirmation about the UA order yet?
28 someone83: No Although there is talk about a press conference in Chicago 09:00 AM Central Time (local)[Edited 2012-07-12 04:49:01]
30 DrStrange: In this context I would say 9am CST..... Looking forward to news from UA!
31 KC135TopBoom: So, if the UA order for the B-737NG/MAXs if it announced in Chicago would be considered a FAS order for Boeing? It is now 0830 CDT in the US (sorry CS
33 STT757: UA renderings with the new winglets: https://hub.united.com/en-us/News/Co...nited-orders-boeing-737-max-9.aspx
34 135mech: Here's another link: http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...d-places-14.7bn-order-with-boeing/ 737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order! Cong
35 LY777: So, 150 737s ordered! That's great news!!!
36 oykie: Congratulations to Boeing on this historic event! And congratulations to United Airlines Seems like they are satisfied with the size of the -900ER an
37 N14AZ: Amazing! Congratulations. Who would have thought when they designed the B 737-100... I think I asked this question before but still don't get it: why
38 r2rho: The press release says " the 737 MAX, which now has more than 1,200 orders and commitments from 18 customers" 18 customers? Then some of these recent
39 poLOT: Its not a gap, it is the shadow from the horizontal stabilizer. If you look real closely you can see it is a dark grey rather than the dark blue of t
40 brilondon: What wonderful news for Boeing. I hope that this is the precursor to replacement of its tired longhaul fleet.
41 TSS: I think this announcement might deserve it's own thread.
42 N14AZ: Thanks very much, that's the explanation. I just watched the video linked in the other thread and realized it's a shadow. Again, thanks very much.
43 FRNT787: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2343 Boeing provided a wrap-up to the show including a table that spells out the Orders vs. Commit
44 flood: No doubt some were part of the unnamed, they have to let them out of the bag sooner or later. When Lion firmed the order Boeing listed 15. After Virg
45 windy95: Nothing surprising about it. As I have said before this order is to replace the 757's. We new that there would be at least 100 900's ordered.
46 HNL-Jack: Wouldn't be surprised to see these aircraft feature the modification to the livery made for the 787, although not depicted in these renderings. To do
47 ikramerica: The MAX9 will have Hawaii range to spare. That will include Denver. Also IAH/DEN-ANC, EWR/IAD-UK, and other routes that 757s work (and 738s). It can'
48 KDAYflyer: Makes you wonder who is going to take delivery of number 10,000
49 frigatebird: Probably Virgin and ALC were among earlier commitments, since these are now firm. I'd say Southwest....
50 EPA001: Sounds like a safe bet. 10,000 orders for a modern era airliner is of course a fantastic number. Who would have thought that the B737 would reach tha
51 solnabo: Maybe this question being on topic on A.net When was the last time Boeing had a jetliner flying at Farn. & La Bou. Air Show? QR´s 787 is stunning
53 solnabo: Thnx Scriml I should have made myself clearer 1st Boeing jetliner in carrier c/s ? Cheers
54 tdscanuck: Flyby, not flight demo. The formation flight with the Spitfires was on their departure. They took off, joined up with the Spits, came back and did a
55 lhrnue: I am just back from Farnborough. What a disappointment Boeing was again not showing off the 787 (not to talk about the 747-8) during the public days.
56 BMI727: People are buying tickets to get where they are going, not to fly on their planes. The media and publicity happens during the industry days, and that
57 scbriml: Yes, but the question didn't specify. Yes, I was there!
58 N766UA: No kidding. Nobody's not buying a ticket just because Boeing didn't fly their jet on the day they were at an airshow. Joe blow public isn't the one b
59 Stitch: As QR compelled Boeing to send the plane there, maybe they told Boeing to send it home before the public days. I could see such a decision on QR's par
60 tdscanuck: Me too. One of the best flying days of my career. Tom.
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