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Farnborough 2012 Boeing Orders Thread  
User currently offlinemoderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 50010 times:
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With the Farnborough International Airshow 2012 now upon us and the expected announcement of order from Airbus, Boeing, as well as manufacturers like Bombardier, Embraer, ATR, and Sukhoi, we are going to have dedicated threads for Airbus orders, Boeing orders, and one for other manufacturers.

The purpose of these threads is to keep a daily tabulation on any announcements made and to keep seperate each companies announcements. Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.

We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread, that way a free and open discussion can be had on these orders without overwhelming the official threads.

This is the dedicated thread for the discussion of Boeing orders. The dedicated threads for Airbus and other manufacturers can be found here:

Farnborough 2012 Airbus Orders Thread

Farnborough 2012 Other Manufacturers Thread




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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 47942 times:

ALC kicks it off with an order for 75 MAX:

"FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 9, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Air Lease Corporation (NYSE: AL) announced today a firm order for 60 737 MAX 8 and 15 737 MAX 9 airplanes, with reconfirmation rights for 25 additional 737 MAXs. The order, with a list-price value of $7.2 billion, represents the first 737 MAX order by a leasing company."
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2323


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 41893 times:

I wonder who the ALC airplanes are going to go to? I’d speculate that some could be going to Korean Air since ALC financed the brand new Korean 739ER that is parked on static display at Farnborough this year.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 37073 times:

This thread is for the discussion of actual orders that have been announced, not rumored ones or for making speculations. If you want to post rumors and speculation on orders, please do so in the following thread and refrain from doing so in this thread (or the Airbus or Other Manufacturers threads):

Farnborough Expected Orders (by columba Jul 6 2012 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 30645 times:

Finally something new for the 767/757 flight deck. I bet this will go well with some airlines who will be forced to keep their 767s in the air longer due to the 787 delays. Should help with training costs for pilots going from the 767 to 787/777.


http://thegazette.com/2012/07/09/roc...ms-with-boeing-on-new-flight-deck/

Will this enable current 767/757s to do GNSS/GPS approaches, I know some 757s have already been upgraded with new displays to help them fly precision approaches.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24938 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 28932 times:

GECAS order 75 x 737MAX and 25 737-800s...
http://www.dailymarkets.com/stock/20...-announce-commitment-for-100-737s/



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 28384 times:

That's great for Boeing...


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4764 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 28281 times:
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Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
GECAS order 75 x 737MAX and 25 737-800s...

That is another big number for the B737-MAX and a nice number for the B737-NG to fill the gap.  .


User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 27385 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
GECAS order 75 x 737MAX and 25 737-800s...

Yeah!! Great news. I guess this is the year of the MAX.

Im still hoping we see at least 1 7478I order firmed up.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26933 times:

So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26931 times:

ALAFCO commits to 20 MAX:

"Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Kuwait airplane leasing company ALAFCO today announced a commitment at the 2012 Farnborough Airshow for 20 Boeing 737 MAX 8s valued at $1.9 billion at current list prices."

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2332


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 26738 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

UA has just ordered 100 737s



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 26700 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 11):

UA has just ordered 100 737s

No, not yet. It still only a rumour, although a strong one. But until either Boeing or United confirms it and some papers are signed it is an order


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31063 posts, RR: 87
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 25801 times:
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

Yes, the MAX is now 876 frames behind (pending confirmation of the UA order), but Boeing claims to have hundreds and hundreds more commitments (each of which requires a deposit payment, so they are more than just Letters of Intent or Memorandums of Understanding) so...


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25439 times:

I was expecting a flood of MAX orders this year, it does not seem like it will happen.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31063 posts, RR: 87
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25364 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 15):
I was expecting a flood of MAX orders this year, it does not seem like it will happen.

We're barely halfway through the year, so a bit early to declare failure, IMO. Anyway, let us keep this thread about orders that have happened.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 23436 times:

A reminder, this thread is for the discussion of announced orders and that's it. No comparing the number of orders of a Boeing a/c with that of a competing Airbus product, nothing in regards to rumored ordered. If users want to do that, do it in a separate thread. The Moderators have had to gut this thread a few times already because some of the participants are choosing to ignore the requests made of them by the Moderators.

User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23310 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 22498 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 17):
I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.

I would agree - however, my comment focused solely on the order book. Boeing to my knowledge has not released any info showing exactly how many commitments it has and until it does, I don't see how we can count them as orders.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20703 times:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2337

Irish leasing company Avolon with a commitment for:
10 737-800
10 737-8 MAX
5 737-9 MAX


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20524 times:

very slow for Boeing this year, oh well the UA order in the morning ?! and are they saving the TK order till Friday haha-ha


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User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19509 times:

Ok so including UA we have about 300 orders for the MAX and like 25 for the 737-800NG. Not too shaby.

User currently offlineExtra300 From Sweden, joined Sep 2011, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19179 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 21):
Ok so including UA we have about 300 orders for the MAX and like 25 for the 737-800NG. Not too shaby

That´s almost one year worth of production. Not bad at all.


User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 18594 times:

Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31063 posts, RR: 87
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18034 times:
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Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 23):
Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.

Boeing booked over 500 737NG orders in both 2010 and 2011, so I'm not surprised the orders are lower this year (117 to date) as there are over 2100 737NGs in the backlog with deliveries stretching out to 2016. With the MAX expected to EIS in 2017, we are now approaching the crossover point where an order placed for either a 737NG or a 737MAX would deliver in the same time period.


25 CM : I do not believe there are very many 737NG positions remaining available until you get out beyond 2017. Boeing will undoubtedly be pushing customers
26 srbmod : Once again, this thread is for the discussion of Boeing orders only. Orders for any other manufacturer not named Boeing are off topic in this thread (
27 Chiad : Has there been any confirmation about the UA order yet?
28 someone83 : No Although there is talk about a press conference in Chicago 09:00 AM Central Time (local)[Edited 2012-07-12 04:49:01]
29 N14AZ : Where local?
30 DrStrange : In this context I would say 9am CST..... Looking forward to news from UA!
31 KC135TopBoom : So, if the UA order for the B-737NG/MAXs if it announced in Chicago would be considered a FAS order for Boeing? It is now 0830 CDT in the US (sorry CS
32 Post contains links flood : World's largest airline buys 100 737 MAXs, 50 Next-Generation 737s, worth $14.7 billion http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2342
33 Post contains links STT757 : UA renderings with the new winglets: https://hub.united.com/en-us/News/Co...nited-orders-boeing-737-max-9.aspx
34 Post contains links 135mech : Here's another link: http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...d-places-14.7bn-order-with-boeing/ 737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order! Cong
35 LY777 : So, 150 737s ordered! That's great news!!!
36 Post contains images oykie : Congratulations to Boeing on this historic event! And congratulations to United Airlines Seems like they are satisfied with the size of the -900ER an
37 N14AZ : Amazing! Congratulations. Who would have thought when they designed the B 737-100... I think I asked this question before but still don't get it: why
38 r2rho : The press release says " the 737 MAX, which now has more than 1,200 orders and commitments from 18 customers" 18 customers? Then some of these recent
39 poLOT : Its not a gap, it is the shadow from the horizontal stabilizer. If you look real closely you can see it is a dark grey rather than the dark blue of t
40 brilondon : What wonderful news for Boeing. I hope that this is the precursor to replacement of its tired longhaul fleet.
41 TSS : I think this announcement might deserve it's own thread.
42 N14AZ : Thanks very much, that's the explanation. I just watched the video linked in the other thread and realized it's a shadow. Again, thanks very much.
43 Post contains links FRNT787 : http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2343 Boeing provided a wrap-up to the show including a table that spells out the Orders vs. Commit
44 flood : No doubt some were part of the unnamed, they have to let them out of the bag sooner or later. When Lion firmed the order Boeing listed 15. After Virg
45 windy95 : Nothing surprising about it. As I have said before this order is to replace the 757's. We new that there would be at least 100 900's ordered.
46 HNL-Jack : Wouldn't be surprised to see these aircraft feature the modification to the livery made for the 787, although not depicted in these renderings. To do
47 ikramerica : The MAX9 will have Hawaii range to spare. That will include Denver. Also IAH/DEN-ANC, EWR/IAD-UK, and other routes that 757s work (and 738s). It can'
48 KDAYflyer : Makes you wonder who is going to take delivery of number 10,000
49 frigatebird : Probably Virgin and ALC were among earlier commitments, since these are now firm. I'd say Southwest....
50 Post contains images EPA001 : Sounds like a safe bet. 10,000 orders for a modern era airliner is of course a fantastic number. Who would have thought that the B737 would reach tha
51 Post contains images solnabo : Maybe this question being on topic on A.net When was the last time Boeing had a jetliner flying at Farn. & La Bou. Air Show? QR´s 787 is stunning
52 Post contains links and images scbriml : The 787 did fly at Farnborough two years ago. In formation! View Large View MediumPhoto © Steve Brimley
53 Post contains images solnabo : Thnx Scriml I should have made myself clearer 1st Boeing jetliner in carrier c/s ? Cheers
54 tdscanuck : Flyby, not flight demo. The formation flight with the Spitfires was on their departure. They took off, joined up with the Spits, came back and did a
55 lhrnue : I am just back from Farnborough. What a disappointment Boeing was again not showing off the 787 (not to talk about the 747-8) during the public days.
56 BMI727 : People are buying tickets to get where they are going, not to fly on their planes. The media and publicity happens during the industry days, and that
57 Post contains images scbriml : Yes, but the question didn't specify. Yes, I was there!
58 N766UA : No kidding. Nobody's not buying a ticket just because Boeing didn't fly their jet on the day they were at an airshow. Joe blow public isn't the one b
59 Stitch : As QR compelled Boeing to send the plane there, maybe they told Boeing to send it home before the public days. I could see such a decision on QR's par
60 tdscanuck : Me too. One of the best flying days of my career. Tom.
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