moderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 459 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 48978 times:
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With the Farnborough International Airshow 2012 now upon us and the expected announcement of order from Airbus, Boeing, as well as manufacturers like Bombardier, Embraer, ATR, and Sukhoi, we are going to have dedicated threads for Airbus orders, Boeing orders, and one for other manufacturers.
The purpose of these threads is to keep a daily tabulation on any announcements made and to keep seperate each companies announcements. Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.
We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread, that way a free and open discussion can be had on these orders without overwhelming the official threads.
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flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 46910 times:
ALC kicks it off with an order for 75 MAX:
"FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 9, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Air Lease Corporation (NYSE: AL) announced today a firm order for 60 737 MAX 8 and 15 737 MAX 9 airplanes, with reconfirmation rights for 25 additional 737 MAXs. The order, with a list-price value of $7.2 billion, represents the first 737 MAX order by a leasing company." http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2323
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 40861 times:
I wonder who the ALC airplanes are going to go to? I’d speculate that some could be going to Korean Air since ALC financed the brand new Korean 739ER that is parked on static display at Farnborough this year.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 36041 times:
This thread is for the discussion of actual orders that have been announced, not rumored ones or for making speculations. If you want to post rumors and speculation on orders, please do so in the following thread and refrain from doing so in this thread (or the Airbus or Other Manufacturers threads):
krisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 29613 times:
Finally something new for the 767/757 flight deck. I bet this will go well with some airlines who will be forced to keep their 767s in the air longer due to the 787 delays. Should help with training costs for pilots going from the 767 to 787/777.
Will this enable current 767/757s to do GNSS/GPS approaches, I know some 757s have already been upgraded with new displays to help them fly precision approaches.
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1189 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 25901 times:
So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?
flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 25899 times:
ALAFCO commits to 20 MAX:
"Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Kuwait airplane leasing company ALAFCO today announced a commitment at the 2012 Farnborough Airshow for 20 Boeing 737 MAX 8s valued at $1.9 billion at current list prices."
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26682 posts, RR: 83 Reply 13, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24769 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9): I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?
Yes, the MAX is now 876 frames behind (pending confirmation of the UA order), but Boeing claims to have hundreds and hundreds more commitments (each of which requires a deposit payment, so they are more than just Letters of Intent or Memorandums of Understanding) so...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26682 posts, RR: 83 Reply 15, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 24332 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 15): I was expecting a flood of MAX orders this year, it does not seem like it will happen.
We're barely halfway through the year, so a bit early to declare failure, IMO. Anyway, let us keep this thread about orders that have happened.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 22404 times:
A reminder, this thread is for the discussion of announced orders and that's it. No comparing the number of orders of a Boeing a/c with that of a competing Airbus product, nothing in regards to rumored ordered. If users want to do that, do it in a separate thread. The Moderators have had to gut this thread a few times already because some of the participants are choosing to ignore the requests made of them by the Moderators.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 22278 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9): So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?
I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1189 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 21466 times:
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 17): I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.
I would agree - however, my comment focused solely on the order book. Boeing to my knowledge has not released any info showing exactly how many commitments it has and until it does, I don't see how we can count them as orders.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17562 times:
Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26682 posts, RR: 83 Reply 24, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17002 times:
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 23): Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.
Boeing booked over 500 737NG orders in both 2010 and 2011, so I'm not surprised the orders are lower this year (117 to date) as there are over 2100 737NGs in the backlog with deliveries stretching out to 2016. With the MAX expected to EIS in 2017, we are now approaching the crossover point where an order placed for either a 737NG or a 737MAX would deliver in the same time period.
CM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 25, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17212 times:
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 23): Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order.
I do not believe there are very many 737NG positions remaining available until you get out beyond 2017. Boeing will undoubtedly be pushing customers to take the few remaining 737NG positions available to to the start of MAX production, as well as the dwindling number of NGs which will be built after the 737 MAX enters service, as a part of these MAX deals we are seeing. I believe this may be why we see NGs attached to every MAX order.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 26, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14544 times:
Once again, this thread is for the discussion of Boeing orders only. Orders for any other manufacturer not named Boeing are off topic in this thread (and vice versa in the Airbus and Other Manufacturers thread). There's a reason why we have THREE dedicated threads for Farnborough 2012, one for Boeing orders, one for Airbus orders, and one for other manufacturers. If the Moderators wanted all orders to be discussed in all three threads, they would have posted one thread to cover all orders instead of manufacturer-specific threads.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16247 posts, RR: 52 Reply 33, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11488 times:
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 37, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10519 times:
Quoting 135mech (Reply 34): 737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order!
Amazing! Congratulations. Who would have thought when they designed the B 737-100...
Quoting STT757 (Reply 33): UA renderings with the new winglets:
I think I asked this question before but still don't get it: why do they show this huge gap between the left hand horizontal stabilizer and the tail cone?
The press release says " the 737 MAX, which now has more than 1,200 orders and commitments from 18 customers"
18 customers? Then some of these recent orders must have been part of the unnamed customers from earlier in the program, otherwise my numbers don't add up.
poLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1493 posts, RR: 0 Reply 39, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10423 times:
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 38): I think I asked this question before but still don't get it: why do they show this huge gap between the left hand horizontal stabilizer and the tail cone?
Its not a gap, it is the shadow from the horizontal stabilizer. If you look real closely you can see it is a dark grey rather than the dark blue of the water in the background, and that it cuts off part of the cloud.
TSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 5 Reply 41, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10228 times:
Quoting krisyyz (Reply 4): Finally something new for the 767/757 flight deck. I bet this will go well with some airlines who will be forced to keep their 767s in the air longer due to the 787 delays. Should help with training costs for pilots going from the 767 to 787/777.
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 42, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10213 times:
Quoting poLOT (Reply 40): Its not a gap, it is the shadow from the horizontal stabilizer. If you look real closely you can see it is a dark grey rather than the dark blue of the water in the background, and that it cuts off part of the cloud.
Thanks very much, that's the explanation. I just watched the video linked in the other thread and realized it's a shadow. Again, thanks very much.
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1285 posts, RR: 16 Reply 43, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10250 times:
flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 44, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9949 times:
Quoting r2rho (Reply 39): Then some of these recent orders must have been part of the unnamed customers from earlier in the program, otherwise my numbers don't add up.
No doubt some were part of the unnamed, they have to let them out of the bag sooner or later. When Lion firmed the order Boeing listed 15. After Virgin, GECAS, ALC, ALAFCO, Avalon and UA we're at 18 *shrug*. The UA orders appears to be new though, pushing the total orders/commitments to 1200.
HNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 793 posts, RR: 0 Reply 46, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9020 times:
Wouldn't be surprised to see these aircraft feature the modification to the livery made for the 787, although not depicted in these renderings. To do so now, so far in advance could take away from the 787 introduction and fuel rumors of the modification becoming the standard livery for the airline. I happen to believe that is what will happen, but it is premature to make the announcement or start repainting now.
Anyway nice order and a big congratulations to Boeing.
Grew up in the business and continued the family tradition.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 47, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8783 times:
Quoting windy95 (Reply 45): Nothing surprising about it. As I have said before this order is to replace the 757's. We new that there would be at least 100 900's ordered.
The MAX9 will have Hawaii range to spare. That will include Denver. Also IAH/DEN-ANC, EWR/IAD-UK, and other routes that 757s work (and 738s). It can't do everything the 757 can, but it does almost everything. 900ER, not as much, but it can do USA transcons and neartranscons without issue, and UA uses 757s on a lot of domestic routes and to nearlatam.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 48, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8229 times:
Quoting 135mech (Reply 34): 737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order! Congrats B!
Makes you wonder who is going to take delivery of number 10,000
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1194 posts, RR: 1 Reply 49, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7167 times:
Quoting flood (Reply 44): Quoting r2rho (Reply 39):Then some of these recent orders must have been part of the unnamed customers from earlier in the program, otherwise my numbers don't add up.
No doubt some were part of the unnamed, they have to let them out of the bag sooner or later. When Lion firmed the order Boeing listed 15. After Virgin, GECAS, ALC, ALAFCO, Avalon and UA we're at 18 *shrug*. The UA orders appears to be new though, pushing the total orders/commitments to 1200.
Probably Virgin and ALC were among earlier commitments, since these are now firm.
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 48): Makes you wonder who is going to take delivery of number 10,000
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3582 posts, RR: 36 Reply 50, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6432 times:
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 49): Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 48):
Makes you wonder who is going to take delivery of number 10,000
I'd say Southwest....
Sounds like a safe bet. 10,000 orders for a modern era airliner is of course a fantastic number. Who would have thought that the B737 would reach that enormous amount of orders. It is a testimony to the success of all involved in producing and operating the airplane. .
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 54, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4027 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 52): The 787 did fly at Farnborough two years ago. In formation!
Flyby, not flight demo. The formation flight with the Spitfires was on their departure. They took off, joined up with the Spits, came back and did a low pass, went over to East Midlands and did a low pass over the Darby plant, then went to Shannon to refuel for the flight home.
lhrnue From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 55, posted (10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2859 times:
I am just back from Farnborough. What a disappointment Boeing was again not showing off the 787 (not to talk about the 747-8) during the public days. I don't get it that they don't get it, that the people coming at the weekend are the people buying the tickets to fly on their aircrafts. Thanks Boeing for nothing. Thanks Airbus for a good show.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 56, posted (10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
Quoting lhrnue (Reply 55): that the people coming at the weekend are the people buying the tickets to fly on their aircrafts.
People are buying tickets to get where they are going, not to fly on their planes. The media and publicity happens during the industry days, and that's what the companies care about.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7988 posts, RR: 27 Reply 58, posted (10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2646 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 56): People are buying tickets to get where they are going, not to fly on their planes.
No kidding. Nobody's not buying a ticket just because Boeing didn't fly their jet on the day they were at an airshow. Joe blow public isn't the one buying 787's, guy.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26682 posts, RR: 83 Reply 59, posted (10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
As QR compelled Boeing to send the plane there, maybe they told Boeing to send it home before the public days. I could see such a decision on QR's part to prevent any accidental damage to the interior that would need to be repaired amd delay delivery.
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