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Virgin Plans Heathrow-Moscow Flights  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

Bit of a weird choice I must say!

With the news that they want to move to the New T2 at LHR too, seems joining 'Star' must be soon to pop out of SRB's hat!

Virgin Atlantic intends to start flying from Heathrow to Moscow next year as part of plans to build a broader network of short and mid-haul flights connecting at the London hub, reported The Guardian.

The airline said it would operate daily flights to the Russian capital should it win the slots British Airways has to give up at Heathrow.

this is coming out of 'cargonewsasia' and 'The Guardian'

follow the story below  Smilehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...eathrow-moscow-flights?INTCMP=SRCH

[Edited 2012-07-09 16:41:33]


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

really wish VS could finally come into the fold ... LHR has been a major missing piece in Star's puzzle, and bmi wasn't exactly doing its job

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8469 times:

This would be a return to Moscow.

VS served it on I believe two separate occasions already.



Anyhow the route is only becoming available now thanks to the required divestiture by BA following the BMI takeover.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

Didnt they have an A321 at one stage operating this route?


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 3):

If that was the case, it was in the days of Virgin Sun, the short-lived UK airline that operated shorter VS flights at times.

[Edited 2012-07-09 21:06:15]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

No I think the Airbus was part of the Virgin Greek venture - South East European Airways that ran between Athens and London, and was later absorbed into Virgin fleet itself.

But anyhow - the first time around for VS to Moscow was stop over on the London - Tokyo service.

[Edited 2012-07-09 21:10:28]


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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

Hi!

If they can get slots I can definitely see them making money on medium length routes. Moscow, maybe Tel Aviv, maybe Turkey. Although I haven't flown them in a long time and am not really a fan of what Virgin has become many people really like flying them so I'm sure they would do well.

Many thanks.

P.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):

I wonder in all honesty what else would you have had BMI do? They had more codeshares than any airline ever?
In more recent days, they seemed to have little focus beyond being a good little partner and carrying other people's passengers via LHR. They were not focussed on much beyond flying as many slots as possible.
Would VS use an A333 off the bat for this?

[Edited 2012-07-09 22:31:44]

User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

With thousands of nouveau riche commuting between the UK and Russia,
together with the suitable strategic branding of Virgin Atlantic, I'm sure we could see up to 2 daily flights offering for both connecting and point-to-point pax.

I'd love to see them utilize A340-600 on this route!



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7750 times:

whilst (VS) they were in Cancun to launch then new route to LGW in the media release it is said they want to use the new A333 on the Moscow Route, as they want to go up against BA who use 744's with first class.


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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7731 times:
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What a/c would VS use on a route like this? A333? Can they get a hold of a couple of A321s in the near future?

With this talk of moving to T2 and the Star Alliance rumors, I was thinking we would see them join Sky Team, if any alliance, since VA has been getting close to DL. Just a thought.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

I'm feeling dizzy with anticipation !

(there goes the neighbourhood....again)

Quoting laca773 (Reply 10):
I was thinking we would see them join Sky Team

What about SQ's stake ?



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 11):

What about SQ's stake ?

What about it? If they wanted them to join star they have had over ten years to do so!


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7379 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):
What about it? If they wanted them to join star they have had over ten years to do so!

Are you being deliberately obtuse ?

Quoting laca773 (Reply 10):
I was thinking we would see them join Sky Team



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Interesting!

There is going to be a bit too much widebody action on this route with BA now operating it as a long haul route.

I'm sure VS could fit their economy product into an A321, abandon premium on this route and have a medium haul Upper Class product. No room for a bar though, so maybe that'll put SRB off  



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7256 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14):
Interesting!

Yes it is.

Could it one day be the worlds shortest commercial A380 flight ?



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 13):

Are you being deliberately obtuse ?

Just pointing out that the star ship has likely passed. If STAR wanted VS then bmi would not have gone to BA, UA/CO would not have ended their FF agreements and of course SQ could have opened some doors.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 16):
Just pointing out that the star ship has likely passed. If STAR wanted VS then bmi would not have gone to BA, UA/CO would not have ended their FF agreements and of course SQ could have opened some doors.

Oh, sorry.

  

Would they get one foot in the door at Sky being half owned by Star ?

(oh my head hurts...when did it all get so complicated)

Maybe its got nothing to do with the alliances and they just want a shiny new terminal ?



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User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

I doubt 'getting VS into Star' has ever been discussed at an SQ management meeting. I'd doubt Star is discussed on anything more than a rare occasion in their own strategy meetings such is the carriers loose involvement with the group.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 10):
What a/c would VS use on a route like this? A333? Can they get a hold of a couple of A321s in the near future?

Likely to be the A330 as they aren't likely to want a small subfleet of A321(S).

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 15):
Could it one day be the worlds shortest commercial A380 flight ?

I think China Southern are already running there's on 2/3 hour flights, far shorter.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6965 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
No I think the Airbus was part of the Virgin Greek venture - South East European Airways that ran between Athens and London, and was later absorbed into Virgin fleet itself.

Ah how right you are...just checked it out on the photo search engine. Cute little airbus it was too! Didnt realise it was a venture with another carrier and for some reason had it in my head it was for moscow services!



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User currently offlinesimpsondude From UK - Scotland, joined May 2010, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Brilliant strategy from Virgin. They must have noticed a fall in passenger numbers and demand after they lost bmi doing their feeder service.

Could we possibly start seeing more feeder routes into LHR with virgin? Edinburgh, Dublin, Manchester, Nice, Hannover perhaps? Although could Virgin fill a A330 on these routes and would it be financially viable?


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6855 times:

If you are asking can VS fill an A330 on those routes, um, let's just run with "no". If they were going to run short haul they'd hey a short haul fleet. As to what STAR wants, by its very nature, the alliance is coping with competing wishes and needs of occasionally feuding carriers. I think people on here, when speaking of SkyTeam or STAR having direction and strategy, are perhaps overstating the case. I doubt Air Canada for one wanted BMI to go to BA as their many LHR flights had some good feed from domestic whereas perhaps short haul LHR STAR carriers cared not one whit.

User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6811 times:

Virgin has wanted to operate to Moscow for quite some time, but lost out to bmi who gained the traffic rights. Virgin did used to stop-off in SVO en route to (I think) Tokyo.

If they get the slots and the traffic rights, they should do well on this route.


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8589 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6766 times:
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Admittedly VS have wanted to open this route for years, but one can't help but think they see it as a busy and profitable BA traffic route, so decided to steal some of the action.

Then again, they need somewhere new to fly all these new planes they have on order....



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6701 times:

Since BA started using the B744 and B763, there seems to be a lot less Aeroflot at LHR. We used to see the odd B763 from them on a weekend too. Not sure a Virgin A333 would be the best equipment to start off with.

25 LHRFlyer : I'm sure they want some of the action. But it's fair to say that until BA put long-haul aircraft on this route, they exploited the lack of competitio
26 rutankrd : 4 daily so no change in frequency by Aeroflot however they changed flight numbers and decoupled all but two weekly through flight codes to Tokyo Sche
27 LX138 : I think this route could do well. There does seem to be less. I remember the IL-86's packed to the rafters. Now it's rarely anything other than a A321
28 AAMDanny : I hear from my friends at VS is that a charter airline is going to be subbed in to operate the route on 'the A320 family' And if it is a success, othe
29 sq_ek_freak : And don't forget our BKK-HKG-BKK run as well as our DXB-JED-DXB flights. Hasn't BA always had the premium traffic on this route?
30 laca773 : That's true. However, perhaps VS will want to add a few other routes from LHR/LGW/MAN. Possibly TLV? The A321 would be a good a/c for those markets.
31 jumpjets : One of the conditions of the BA acquisition of BMI was that two of the LHR slots to be surrendered were allocated, outside the tender process for the
32 Post contains images GCT64 : TSO's flights into LHR are very much "equipment varies", looking at the first 5 days of July, they operated with: 1st: B763 + B738 2nd: B738 + B737 3
33 Calpe : There is a lot on people on this thread mentioning Virgin adding more short/medium haul routes if Moscow is a success but I thought the whole point be
34 jumpjets : In essence the conditions are 14 pairs of slots have to be surrendered as follows: •Seven daily slot pairs to be used between Heathrow and either E
35 f4f3a : Will be fine on this leg lots of a330 on short haul routes To places like agp gva pmi. Emirates runs lots of turn around Flights similar length as wel
36 tonystan : I agree, its also a good utilisation of an aircraft. VS using the A330s and even perhaps its 747s on certain short/medium haul routes could help incr
37 willd : No. VS operated 321's of its own right. These replaced the 320's which they had to operate the ATH route they took over from SEEA having operated the
38 AirPacific747 : Aha.. that explains why I saw a BA 744 on flightradar24 on its way to Moscow.. thought it was a large aircraft for such a relatively short route..
39 skipness1E : SEEA, South East European Airways, operated SX-BSV from memory, A320 in VS colours. They went bust and BA took the A320 in house as G-OUZO. This was l
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