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User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 724 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4536 times:

I noticed two Spirit flights today from LGA to FLL have equipment designated 734

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NKS705

Is this an error in the tracking system or are these aircraft being leased to add capacity?

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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4511 times:

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Thread starter):
Is this an error in the tracking system or are these aircraft being leased to add capacity?



Most likely an error. Flightaware quite often has wild aircraft types shown on their site.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4509 times:

It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs

Interesting. Thanks for the info.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4334 times:

I am curious, is it short of lift due to the increased summer schedule, planes undergoing C checks or unskd heavy mx?

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):

I think it's all of the above. They have some a320s coming online soon. Also some a319s are starting to go. I know that n588nk went tech a few weeks ago so that contributed to it.


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

I have seen both the 757 and 734 at LGA recently. The 734 I saw on July 4 had Bahamasair titles.


I want to live in an old and converted 727...
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 6):
The 734 I saw on July 4 had Bahamasair titles.

Really?! Could this be a sign of something to come, or was it possibly on lease to Bahamasair previously?


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

It also had the Xtra logo on the tail. I'm sure it was just an a/c that had been on previous lease to Bahamasair



I want to live in an old and converted 727...
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 8):

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

It also had the Xtra logo on the tail. I'm sure it was just an a/c that had been on previous lease to Bahamasair

That's what I thought.

BTW, I believe the aircraft is N772AS


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
BTW, I believe the aircraft is N772AS

So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Keeps your head spinning....  

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Keeps your head spinning....  

I saw it a few months ago. At the time it was an ex-Alaska Air, owned by Xtra, operating for Direct Air into Myrtle Beach before going to Bahamasair and Spirit.


User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Which probably means that it has a more comfortable cabin then your regular - brand new NK aircraft....
  



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 12):

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Which probably means that it has a more comfortable cabin then your regular - brand new NK aircraft....

Of course it is! Everything is! Riding a bike from LGA to FLL would be!   


User currently offlinefpofllflyboi From Bahamas, joined Jun 2005, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
I saw it a few months ago. At the time it was an ex-Alaska Air, owned by Xtra, operating for Direct Air into Myrtle Beach before going to Bahamasair and Spirit

So then I guess its safe to say UP ended its wetlease with Xtra? or maybe this aircraft is just used during downtime?


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting fpofllflyboi (Reply 14):

So then I guess its safe to say UP ended its wetlease with Xtra? or maybe this aircraft is just used during downtime?

I'm guessing it is safe to say that they ended the wetlease. It was probably for the winter. I'd imagine that's their busiest season?


User currently offlineInfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs

The Omni 757 has not come into LGA for some time now over a month I have not seen it. Xtra Airways seems be the first flight out and last flight in... with one turn in between.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
That's what I thought.

BTW, I believe the aircraft is N772AS

That is the correct reg for the said aircraft


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Does anyone know which Xtra Airways 734 (if any) now operates for Bahamasair out of Freeport?


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 17):
Does anyone know which Xtra Airways 734 (if any) now operates for Bahamasair out of Freeport?

It has to be either N279AD, N41XA, or N43XA.

Is it possible they have more than one because some of the turn they have here for the 734 are only about 30 minutes. Can they fuel up, offload, and reload and 737-400 in about 30 minutes?

[Edited 2012-07-12 09:22:44]

[Edited 2012-07-12 09:23:00]

Sorry for so many edits, but I answered my own question. They have 2.


[Edited 2012-07-12 09:24:03]

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Also, it shows N42XA operating out of FPO.

User currently offlinefpofllflyboi From Bahamas, joined Jun 2005, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 15):
I'm guessing it is safe to say that they ended the wetlease. It was probably for the winter. I'd imagine that's their busiest season?

That and Bahamasair took delivery of another 735 late last month. Which could spell out they're ready to use their own equipment for the FPO-RDU/SDF/BWI/RIC flights.

So NK may see alot more Extra Airways equipment until they get their fleet back to normal ops. Say hello to added comfort.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting fpofllflyboi (Reply 20):
So NK may see alot more Extra Airways equipment until they get their fleet back to normal ops. Say hello to added comfort.

I really hope they start flying the 734s of the LGA-MYR route. I'm on that flight at least 6-7 times a year and it is horrible! Especially since I'm 6 feet tall. It's horrible and I would love to have something more comfortable!

I do think that we will see more Xtra Airways operating for Spirit because they are dumping a319s faster than they are getting a320s. They've already gotten rid of 6 or 7 a319s, which is a shame, given the interior room and seat pitch of the a320s.


User currently onlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
I'm on that flight at least 6-7 times a year and it is horrible!

So why not fly another carrier?

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
Spirit because they are dumping a319s faster than they are getting a320s

Where are they going to?


User currently offlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
I do think that we will see more Xtra Airways operating for Spirit because they are dumping a319s faster than they are getting a320s. They've already gotten rid of 6 or 7 a319s, which is a shame, given the interior room and seat pitch of the a320s.

Nobody is "dumping" the A319, they are getting refurbished, you can always take the little dash-8 on UA from EWR if NK is so Horrible.... Also the Xtra Airways interior shows 150 pax on the 734 rows 1-26 just like the A319   


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 22):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
I'm on that flight at least 6-7 times a year and it is horrible!

So why not fly another carrier?

Maybe because NK is the cheapest airline on virtually every route it flies, often even after fees?



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 22):
So why not fly another carrier?

I can't afford to for the amount of times I travel.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 24):
Maybe because NK is the cheapest airline on virtually every route it flies, often even after fees?

  

Quoting santi319 (Reply 23):
Nobody is "dumping" the A319, they are getting refurbished, you can always take the little dash-8 on UA from EWR if NK is so Horrible

On a typical day, UA is 2-300 dollars more than NK.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 22):
Where are they going to?

N501, 515, 519NK went to WindJet
N511NK went to TAME
N518NK went to Cyprus Airways
N520-521NK went to Mandala Airlines

Quoting santi319 (Reply 23):
Nobody is "dumping" the A319, they are getting refurbished

Unless the previously stated airlines are "refurbishing" them for Spirit, I don't think they are getting refurbished.


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Just a nitpick, N772AS is the Xtra bird without the BHS titles on it. It's here twice a day in FLL.

User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting spiritair97:

"N501, 515, 519NK went to WindJet
N511NK went to TAME
N518NK went to Cyprus Airways
N520-521NK went to Mandala
Unless the previously stated airlines are "refurbishing" them for Spirit, I don't think they are getting refurbished."

These mentioned aircraft left in 2008. No 319s, 321s, nor any Spirit aircraft for that matter have left NKs fleet in the last four years, nor are there are plans return any until 2017. One or two of the 319s are going offlline a time for 2 to 3 weeks at a time to have their interiors refurbished.

[Edited 2012-07-12 17:43:16]

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting beechtobus (Reply 27):

What are they refurbishing? By that, I mean what are the changes being made?


User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Seats are being replaced, I believe the 319s that are going to be in the fleet the longest and the 321s are getting the blue 320 seats as they save quite bit of weight. I'm guessing pitch won't decrease as they cannot put on more than 145 and 218 seats respectively because of emergency exit limitations. The 319s that are leaving sooner are just getting new grey leather seat covers and padding..

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Is the horrid legroom staying the same?

User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1361 posts, RR: 3
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 18):

Is it possible they have more than one because some of the turn they have here for the 734 are only about 30 minutes. Can they fuel up, offload, and reload and 737-400 in about 30 minutes?

Yes. If US Airways can do it (as they do very regularly at DFW), then anyone can. The bins aren't too big & fueling is a relatively quick 395 - 415gpm --you can VTO a 734 in about nine minutes.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 31):
Yes. If US Airways can do it (as they do very regularly at DFW), then anyone can. The bins aren't too big & fueling is a relatively quick 395 - 415gpm --you can VTO a 734 in about nine minutes.

I did not know any of that. Good to know and thanks for the info.


User currently offlineflyboynk From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 30):
Is the horrid legroom staying the same?

Pay for a BFS or Exit Row seat and you'll have more than enough room...

Quoting beechtobus (Reply 29):
Seats are being replaced, I believe the 319s that are going to be in the fleet the longest and the 321s are getting the blue 320 seats as they save quite bit of weight. I'm guessing pitch won't decrease as they cannot put on more than 145 and 218 seats respectively because of emergency exit limitations. The 319s that are leaving sooner are just getting new grey leather seat covers and padding..

The A319's are having their grey seats being refurbished (replacing leather and padding) to comply with FAA reg's...
Eventually plans are to replace all A319 seats to the same ones on the A320's

There are no plans to end the leases on the A319's until they start to expire between 2017 and 2021, but NK has already stated those A319's on lease (all) could be renewed/extended if operations dictate....

And the 145 seat limit and 218 limit is not because of emergency exit limitations but to how the aircraft was certified with the FAA, they could go up to 150 seats for A319 (if recertified) up to 180 seats on A320 and 220 on the A321...



Flyboynk
User currently offlineflyboynk From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

And to help out the taller folks:

A319 (row and seats)
-BFS good leg room (rows 1 ACDF, 2 ACDF, 3 DF )
-row 4 ABC good leg room but armrests do not move.
-rows 5 DEF same as above row 4ABC
-rows 5 ABC, 6ABCDEF thru 10 ABCDEF (row 10 does not recline) provide 2 inches more legroom than rows aft of the wings (rows 12 to 25)
-row 11 exit row good leg room
rows 12 ABCDEF to 25 ABCDEF 2 inches less legroom than 5 thru 10
row 26 on the A319 has 3 inches less legroom than rows 5 thru 10 and the seats are 1/2 inch narrower.
all armrests on aisle seats rows 6 to 26 go up.
all seats recline and move except entire row 10

On A320

BFS good leg room (Row 1 ACDF)
row 2 ABCDEF armrests do not move but good leg room
rows 3 ABCDEF to 11 ABCDEF normal spacing
rows 12 ABCDEF to 13 ABCDEF are exit row seats good legroom
rows 14 ABCDEF to 30 ABCDEF normal spacing
armrest on aisle seats rows 3 to 30 go up.
seats only in row 1 recline and move all other seats are prereclined but do not move
** on the A320 due to the thinner seats and mess seat back pocket you actually have more room than on the A319 rows 12 thru 25 actually space is similar to rows 5 thru 9 on A319 slightly less

Hope this helps!!!

[Edited 2012-07-12 23:14:31]


Flyboynk
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Quoting flyboynk (Reply 34):
BFS good leg room (Row 1 ACDF)

If only those "Big Leather Seats" weren't a $50 upgrade on a first come first serve type thing.


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