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OAG Changes 7/13/2012: AA/DL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7673 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12785 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

9K ACK-BOS OCT 12>8 NOV 15>6 DEC 15>6 JAN 15>6 FEB 15>6 MAR 16>6
9K ACK-EWB OCT 7>3 NOV 10>1.8 DEC 10>1.7 JAN 10>1.7 FEB 10>1.7 MAR 10>1.7
9K ACK-HYA OCT 16>17 NOV 15>17 DEC 15>17 JAN 15>17 FEB 15>17 MAR 15>17
9K ACK-MVY NOV 1.7>3 DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.7>3 FEB 1.7>3 MAR 1.7>3
9K BOS-MVY OCT 12>7 NOV 15>6 DEC 15>6 JAN 15>6 FEB 15>6 MAR 15>6
9K BOS-PVC OCT 9>6 NOV 13>6 DEC 13>6 JAN 12>6 FEB 12>6 MAR 13>6
9K EWB-MVY OCT 4>3 NOV 5>3 DEC 5>3 JAN 5>3 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3
9K STT-SJU AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 8>9

AA DFW-ATL AUG 11>10
AA DFW-BNA AUG 8>7
AA DFW-BZE DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
AA DFW-CUN MAR 4>5
AA DFW-FLL DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7
AA DFW-LIR NOV 0.2>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.6 FEB 0.3>0.6 MAR 0.3>0.6
AA DFW-MBJ NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.5>0.7 JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.7 MAR 0.5>0.7
AA DFW-MTY DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA DFW-PBI DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA DFW-PHX DEC 9>10 JAN 9>10 FEB 9>10 MAR 9>10
AA DFW-PTY NOV 0.1>0.2 DEC 0.2>0.5 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5
AA DFW-RSW DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA DFW-SAT AUG 15>14
AA DFW-SJD DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA DFW-SJU DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
ZIH routinely provides subsidies, I'd assume it's deletion and reappearance was related to that.
*AA DFW-ZIH DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
AA JFK-CUN NOV 1.0>1.5 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-BOG NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA MIA-LIR NOV 0.9>1.4 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-SJU NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8
AA MIA-STL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA MIA-STX DEC 2>1.5 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 2>1.4 MAR 2>1.4
AA ORD-CUN NOV 0.7>1.3 DEC 1.2>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.1>3 MAR 1.2>3
*AA ORD-CZM DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
AA ORD-FLL NOV 3>4 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>5 FEB 3>5 MAR 3>5
*AA ORD-MBJ NOV 0.1>0.5 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0
AA ORD-PBI DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA ORD-PHX AUG 4>3
This was deleted a week or two ago, by mistake?
*AA ORD-PVR NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0>1.3 FEB 0>1.3 MAR 0>1.3
AA ORD-RSW DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA ORD-SJD NOV 1.7>1.1 DEC 3>1.2 JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>1.1 MAR 3>1.2

AM MCO-MEX NOV 1.4>1.8 DEC 1.5>1.6
AM MIA-CUN NOV 0>0.3
AM ORD-GDL OCT 0.6>0.4
*AM ORD-MTY AUG 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.6>0
AM SAT-MTY NOV 0.6>0.9

AS SEA-BOI SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8
AS SEA-PDX SEP 20>21 OCT 21>22 NOV 21>22 DEC 21>22 JAN 21>22 FEB 21>22 MAR 21>22

*AZ BOS-FCO JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0

*DL APN-MSP SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
DL ATL-CHA SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 11>10
DL ATL-CID SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.3 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9
**DL ATL-DAL SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5 NOV 0>5 DEC 0>5 JAN 0>5 FEB 0>5 MAR 0>5
DL ATL-ECP SEP 9>8 OCT 9>7 NOV 9>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 9>7
DL ATL-GPT SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL ATL-GSO SEP 10>9 NOV 10>9 MAR 10>9
DL ATL-GSP DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
DL ATL-MCO MAR 17>16
DL ATL-MGM FEB 9>8
DL ATL-NAS SEP 3>2
Surprising ATL doesn't work to a place as big as ONT.
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
DL ATL-ROA SEP 6>5
DL ATL-SXM NOV 0.3>0.4
DL ATL-TPA OCT 11>12
DL ATL-TRI SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8 MAR 9>8
DL ATL-VPS FEB 10>9
DL CVG-SEA OCT 0.9>0.5
DL CVG-SFO JAN 0.8>0.6
DL DLH-MSP OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
DL DTW-APN SEP 1.7>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.7 NOV 2.0>0.7 DEC 1.8>0.7 JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.7>0.7 MAR 1.7>0.7
DL DTW-ORD MAR 8>7
DL DTW-PDX OCT 0.7>0 MAR 0.8>0.5
DL DTW-PIA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
DL LAX-ATL OCT 11>10 NOV 11>10 DEC 10>9 JAN 11>10
DL LGA-MCO OCT 7>6
DL LGA-MSN NOV 0.8>1.6 DEC 0.8>1.6 JAN 0.9>1.7 FEB 0.9>1.7 MAR 0.8>1.7
DL LGA-TYS SEP 0.8>0.6
DL MCO-RDU AUG 2>1.4
DL MEM-CLE AUG 1.9>1.0
DL MEM-LIT AUG 3>2
DL MEM-OKC AUG 3>1.9
DL MSP-ORF SEP 0.1>0.0
DL MSP-PSC SEP 1.6>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.6>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0
DL MSP-TUS JAN 1.0>0.6
DL MSP-YEG OCT 3>2.0 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 MAR 3>2
DL MSP-YQR JAN 2.0>1.7 FEB 2>1.8
DL MSP-YXE JAN 2.0>1.8 FEB 2>1.9
DL SLC-ANC OCT 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-ANC OCT 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-DFW NOV 5>4
DL SLC-MSO SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL SLC-RNO SEP 5>4
DL SLC-YVR JAN 1.7>1.6 FEB 1.9>1.6

What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?
**G7 LGA-STL OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7

IS ACK-HYA AUG 12>14 SEP 11>14 OCT 12>14 NOV 12>14 DEC 11>14 JAN 12>14 FEB 11>14 MAR 11>14

JL ROR-NRT AUG 0>0.3

LA JFK-LIM OCT 1.2>1.0

OZ LAX-SJC OCT 0>0.9
OZ LGA-ORD SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 0.7>0
OZ MCO-ORD OCT 0.1>0.0

PK JFK-LHE NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.4

RJ ORD-AMM FEB 0.7>0.6 MAR 0.7>0.6

UA IAD-PVD DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
*UA IAH-ACT SEP 3>0.2 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
UA IAH-AGU AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
*UA IAH-AUA FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0
*UA IAH-AVL SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.1 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0
UA IAH-BWI NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
*UA IAH-CDG OCT 0.9>0.3 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0
UA IAH-COS JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA IAH-CUU SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-GJT DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>0.9 FEB 1.5>0.9 MAR 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-GRK JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
*UA IAH-GSO SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-LCH NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
UA IAH-LFT NOV 9>8 DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8
UA IAH-MCI DEC 8>7 JAN 9>8
UA IAH-MLM AUG 2>1.3 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
Guess that's gone, Winter is peak.
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
UA IAH-ONT DEC 3>2
UA IAH-ORF DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 2.0>1.0
UA IAH-PBC AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-PBI NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA IAH-PHL NOV 5>4
UA IAH-PHX NOV 6>5 DEC 7>5
UA IAH-PSP NOV 1.7>0.9 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-SAN NOV 6>5
UA IAH-SAV DEC 2>1.4
UA IAH-SDF NOV 4>3
UA IAH-SLP AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-TAM SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
*UA IAH-TGZ SEP 0.3>0.0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0
*UA IAH-TLC SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-TRC AUG 1.4>1.2 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-TYR DEC 4>3
UA IAH-VSA SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA ORD-RSW DEC 1.3>3 JAN 1.3>3 FEB 1.3>3 MAR 1.3>3

US CLT-GPT OCT 4>3
US CLT-LGA OCT 14>13
US CLT-LGW JAN 1.0>0.9
US CLT-MIA OCT 7>6
US CLT-OAJ OCT 8>7
US CLT-PBI OCT 6>5
US CLT-RSW OCT 7>5
US CLT-SBY OCT 4>3
US CLT-SDF OCT 7>8
US DCA-CHS OCT 4>5
US DCA-CLT OCT 12>11
US DCA-GSO OCT 3>4
US DCA-ORF OCT 3>5
US DCA-PBI OCT 4>2
US DCA-PWM OCT 3>4
US DCA-RDU OCT 8>7
US DCA-SAV OCT 1.4>3
US DCA-YHZ OCT 0>0.1
US PHL-CLT OCT 11>10
US PHL-DCA OCT 10>9
US PHL-FLL OCT 5>4
US PHL-ITH OCT 5>6
US PHL-LAX OCT 5>6
US PHL-MDT OCT 8>7
US PHL-MIA OCT 4>3
US PHL-MKE OCT 4>5
US PHL-ORF OCT 7>8
US PHL-PBI OCT 4>3
US PHL-ROC OCT 6>7
US PHL-RSW OCT 4>1.4
US PHL-SCE OCT 6>7
US PHL-SEA OCT 1.2>1.9
US PHL-SFO OCT 4>5
US PHL-TPA OCT 5>4
US PHL-YOW OCT 4>3
US PHX-FLG OCT 7>6
US PHX-LAX OCT 8>7
US PHX-PSP OCT 6>5
US PHX-YUM OCT 6>5
US PHX-YYC OCT 2>3

VB IAH-MTY JAN 0.4>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6 MAR 0.5>0.6
VB LAS-MTY SEP 0.6>0.7
VB SAT-MTY SEP 0.3>0.4

VS MCO-MAN NOV 1.4>1.3 DEC 1.4>1.3 JAN 1.5>1.3 FEB 1.4>1.3

YV HNL-KOA OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
YV KOA-HNL OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
YV LIH-OGG SEP 1.0>1.4 OCT 1.0>1.4 NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.4 FEB 1.0>1.4 MAR 1.0>1.5
YV OGG-LIH SEP 1.0>1.4 OCT 1.0>1.4 NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.4 FEB 1.0>1.4 MAR 1.0>1.5

ZK FOD-MCW AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23296 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12679 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?

Misfile of a Delta Connection flight?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12619 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-LAX OCT 5>6
US PHL-SEA OCT 1.2>1.9
US PHL-SFO OCT 4>5

US keeping the pressure on VX and AS.

The IAH reductions are interesting. I counted a decrease of 30 flights (very rough). It should be interesting to see if these are just seasonal pull downs or they are permanent reductions.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6825 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12606 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Surprising ATL doesn't work to a place as big as ONT.
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

It's not so surprising when they're running 11 daily round-trips to LAX. With a single daily, the chance that the schedule in both directions will happen to meet the traveler's needs is pretty low -- so they'd be relying on people who are just incredibly averse to driving to LAX. The SLC-ONT service doesn't help much since relatively few East Coast markets have non-stop flights to SLC and a double-connect just to get to ONT seems silly. ATL-SNA wouldn't work with only one or two dailies, either.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Guess that's gone, Winter is peak.
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0

Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years. What's going to be their excuse if/when NK jumps into IAH-Mexico? UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service (not that it's much worse than UA's in any event).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-AGU AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-CUU SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-MLM AUG 2>1.3 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-PBC AUG 1.4>1.3 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-SLP AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-TAM SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
*UA IAH-TGZ SEP 0.3>0.0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0
*UA IAH-TLC SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA IAH-TRC AUG 1.4>1.2 SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
UA IAH-VSA SEP 1.4>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0

It's really a bit surprising to see all the cuts in the monopoly (or near-monopoly) small U.S.-Mexico markets (TLC obviously does not fit that classification). IAH-VSA especially should see a good bit of oil industry traffic.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?
**G7 LGA-STL OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7

Perhaps it's just out there to keep the G7 code active. Isn't G7 doing the DL Connection/LGA stuff at-risk? With STL as home base, they do need to get the planes back to the maintenance operation, too.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AZ BOS-FCO JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0

A bit odd that BOS goes seasonal for AZ but FCO does have a heavy leisure component.


User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 629 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12519 times:

Thanks for posting this information regularly, enilria. I'm sure many people appreciate your efforts!

User currently offlinetwa727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12482 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-ROA SEP 6>5

The other part of this news is that one flight a day will now be a A319 rather than a RJ. This marks the return of ROA to mainline legacy service after about a decade. The only other scheduled mainline flights we've had have been the few G4 trips to Florida each week.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that US decides to match that, perhaps with something larger than a Dash-8 on the route to PHL.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7673 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-LAX OCT 5>6
US PHL-SEA OCT 1.2>1.9
US PHL-SFO OCT 4>5
US keeping the pressure on VX and AS.

US is skilled at that.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
It's not so surprising when they're running 11 daily round-trips to LAX.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
ATL-SNA wouldn't work with only one or two dailies, either.

I think SNA is down to 3X. Well they are basically ceding ATL-ONT to WN if they want it. That's very unlike DL. It'll be interesting to see if they go back if WN takes the bait.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Guess that's gone, Winter is peak.
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
It's really a bit surprising to see all the cuts in the monopoly (or near-monopoly) small U.S.-Mexico markets (TLC obviously does not fit that classification). IAH-VSA especially should see a good bit of oil industry traffic.

Clearly, savvy Mexican business execs are putting off business trips for 3 years in anticipation of future lower fares. :p

In all seriousness, I would think Mexico should improve with the new govt that promises less confrontation with organized crime.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service

NK would probably operate IAH-MZT at 0130 and depart the plane to IAH at 0355. I hope NK goes into this Mexico stuff just to shaft both UA and WN. UA deserves it for their immaturity and WN deserves it for their IT B.S. that has forced them to telegraph their plans for 2016 with no legitimate way to do anything in the interim.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?

Misfile of a Delta Connection flight?
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Perhaps it's just out there to keep the G7 code active.
Quoting azstar (Reply 4):

Thanks for posting this information regularly, enilria. I'm sure many people appreciate your efforts!

That makes sense.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12302 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years. What's going to be their excuse if/when NK jumps into IAH-Mexico? UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service (not that it's much worse than UA's in any event).

Well, MZT has been hurt by the Narco issues - cartel violence has really hulled that region out in terms of tourism.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-TLC SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

I smell Spirit...

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 2):
The IAH reductions are interesting. I counted a decrease of 30 flights (very rough). It should be interesting to see if these are just seasonal pull downs or they are permanent reductions.

Well, most of these are seasonal - we see the reductions along these lines every year. The ones that are gone for good are noted.

Quoting enilria (Reply 6):
NK would probably operate IAH-MZT at 0130 and depart the plane to IAH at 0355. I hope NK goes into this Mexico stuff just to shaft both UA and WN. UA deserves it for their immaturity and WN deserves it for their IT B.S. that has forced them to telegraph their plans for 2016 with no legitimate way to do anything in the interim.

As well as VSA and TLC. I agree completely with you. The funny thing UA told WN that if they wanted to start flying international to Mexico and the Caribbean...do it from IAH. Now UA may have NK to answer that call.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12221 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

Seasonal comes back in APR.

Quoting enilria (Reply 6):

I think SNA is down to 3X. Well they are basically ceding ATL-ONT to WN if they want it. That's very unlike DL. It'll be interesting to see if they go back if WN takes the bait.

SNA is down to 3x 757 but up in capacity. (down from 5x 73W)



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12077 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-GSO SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0

I mean really??? GSO cant support a daily flight to IAH?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7766 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12016 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL APN-MSP SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-APN SEP 1.7>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.7 NOV 2.0>0.7 DEC 1.8>0.7 JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.7>0.7 MAR 1.7>0.7

This is for the rebid EAS flying, now to be operated by Skywest. Initially DL wanted to drop APN along with the retirement of the SF3 fleet, but was continuing to operate 2x DTW-APN CRJ service (with a tag-on to PLN during the winter months) until the service was rebid. For a while it was not looking good for APN, there was some potential small operators but fortunetely Skywest stepped up. They're offering a daily APN-MSP CRJ and weekday APN-DTW CRJ flight.


DL is adding a daily mainline flight back into several markets out of ATL that have traditionally not had mainline service in several years in September. Most, if not all will be RONs, with an evening flight out of ATL, and a morning flight to ATL. Most are replacing CRJs. These markets will be "perfect" for some 717s starting next year.....

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-CHA SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 11>10

Getting a DC-9-50, dropping a CRJ flight

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-GSO SEP 10>9 NOV 10>9 MAR 10>9

Going from:
4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 2x D95, 2x M88, 73W
To:
1x CRJ, 1x CR7, 6x M88

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-ROA SEP 6>5

Adding an A319, dropping a CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-TRI SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8 MAR 9>8

Adding a DC-9-50, dropping a CRJ

Quoting twa727 (Reply 5):
The other part of this news is that one flight a day will now be a A319 rather than a RJ. This marks the return of ROA to mainline legacy service after about a decade. The only other scheduled mainline flights we've had have been the few G4 trips to Florida each week.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that US decides to match that, perhaps with something larger than a Dash-8 on the route to PHL.

That is pretty significant for ROA. I figured they'd at least get some 66/70/76 seaters since those 50 seaters are notorously oversold at times.


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11685 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

AZ stopped flying for about 6 weeks last winter. Conditions must be that bad to stop flying now.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11605 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

Seasonal comes back in APR.

That's still amazing. ONT-ATL once had a 763 on the route, as one of the multiple frequencies. SJC-ATL had 3/day (down to one red-eye now, assuming that's even safe) and several OAK-ATL and SMF-ATL frequencies. OAK-ATL is gone, and SMF maybe has one frequency left. There have been BOI-ATL and BUR-ATL flights at one time also; along with FAT-ATL that was announced but not started AFAIK.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11461 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-PHX AUG 4>3

This has to be an all time low on frequency for AA's PHX-ORD route. I cannot remember when they ever had such few frequencies on the route - even during summer months.


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11424 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
A bit odd that BOS goes seasonal for AZ but FCO does have a heavy leisure component.

FCO seems to be the cut of the season this year with UA and DL significantly reducing frequencies as well.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11409 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):

Yeah ATL-Cali is down. OAK i gone but comes back all the time. SJC is down to 1x 738. ONT Is 2x 738s right now, but goes down to 1x 738 soon. SMF is 1x 738 1x 757 and has been pulled back a bit with the adding of LAX-SMF.


and FWIW I'm pretty sure we had RNO flights too. Just better to fly them via SLC i guess.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7673 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11411 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-MZT DEC 1.3>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Must be due to WN starting international flights from HOU in 3 years. What's going to be their excuse if/when NK jumps into IAH-Mexico? UA's IAH-Mexico pricing is so ludicrous that people would put up with NK's wretched service (not that it's much worse than UA's in any event).

Well, MZT has been hurt by the Narco issues - cartel violence has really hulled that region out in terms of tourism.

Well, I think all of these cuts aren't really due to UA's bitter war with the city (I think these flights are probably all poor), but I also agree that MZT was always fragile and headless corpses push it over the edge. MZT is the DAB of Mexico IMHO. I've been to both and I think that is an apt comparison in terms of the product they offer. MZT has no MCO nearby, but I mean in terms of the size of the tourist beach product I'd say they are similar.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Reply 6):

As well as VSA and TLC. I agree completely with you. The funny thing UA told WN that if they wanted to start flying international to Mexico and the Caribbean...do it from IAH. Now UA may have NK to answer that call.

I'd really like to see the fireworks if NK goes into some interior markets and ties up the second route authority allowed under the bilateral.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-ONT SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
Seasonal comes back in APR.
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 6):

I think SNA is down to 3X. Well they are basically ceding ATL-ONT to WN if they want it. That's very unlike DL. It'll be interesting to see if they go back if WN takes the bait.

SNA is down to 3x 757 but up in capacity. (down from 5x 73W)
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
That's still amazing. ONT-ATL once had a 763 on the route, as one of the multiple frequencies.

I'm with BoeingGuy. The largest hub in the world can't support service to secondary cities on the West Coast of the USA? I find that staggering. ONT has a lot of flights. It's not TUS or GEG or even BOI. SNA with three may be about right, but DL used to have SNA-DTW and JFK. Those are also gone. Perhaps DL is really weakening on the West Coast as UA gets stronger. It may also show why DL continues on with the financial boat anchor of an LAX hub. Without that they are not a West Coast airline. SLC is really an East-West hub and does a poor job of serving the West Coast market. This all leads me back to DL inevitably buying AS. It's just when...

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-GSO SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0
I mean really??? GSO cant support a daily flight to IAH?

Well, it's not a traditional market. CO Lite tried it eons ago. I agree it seems like it should work, but part of what is happening is a reluctance to fly 50 seaters on routes this long which is condemning a lot of these Carolinas markets to 1 roundtrip or even seasonal service to IAH or even DFW.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AZ stopped flying for about 6 weeks last winter. Conditions must be that bad to stop flying now.

Fuel is looking good, but the Euro crisis shows no signs of getting better.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11349 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
This all leads me back to DL inevitably buying AS. It's just when...

Don't start.............


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5308 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11277 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):AA ORD-PHX AUG 4>3
This has to be an all time low on frequency for AA's PHX-ORD route. I cannot remember when they ever had such few frequencies on the route - even during summer months.

Agreed. I know a number of people in Chicago that regularly fly to PHX for business. My wife used to work for a company with a large Scottsdale office, and she probably flew ORD-PHX at least quarterly. The number of elites on a flight, either at ORD or PHX, was probably half the airplane. The only route out of ORD with more elites was ORD-DFW.

Who is cutting into AA's traffic to the point that it only needs 3 round-trips in August? UA? US? WN?


User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11249 times:
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Quoting ckfred (Reply 18):
Who is cutting into AA's traffic to the point that it only needs 3 round-trips in August? UA? US? WN?

Today US has 5, UA 2, AA 3, WN 7.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11160 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
and FWIW I'm pretty sure we had RNO flights too.

Very briefly, DL flew ATL-RNO on Saturdays only. I believe it ended around 2008. That's the only ATL-RNO service I am aware of.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
SNA with three may be about right, but DL used to have SNA-DTW and JFK. Those are also gone.

DL flew SNA-CVG for years, and once they decided to end that route they had a really hard time figuring out what to do with the slot. The result was brief attempt at service to both JFK and DTW, and actually a try at SNA-LAS as well.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11105 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AZ BOS-FCO JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
A bit odd that BOS goes seasonal for AZ but FCO does have a heavy leisure component.

I think it's a sign of the struggles that AZ may be going through.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
What is this? Is this related to WN flying LGA-STL?
**G7 LGA-STL OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Perhaps it's just out there to keep the G7 code active. Isn't G7 doing the DL Connection/LGA stuff at-risk? With STL as home base, they do need to get the planes back to the maintenance operation, too.

What does the G7 code stand for? Is that Pinnacle?


As always, thanks E for the updates 



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23296 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11092 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
What does the G7 code stand for? Is that Pinnacle?

GoJet.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11060 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
GoJet.

   since when were they flying for DL Connection?



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11042 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 20):
The result was brief attempt at service to both JFK and DTW,

Actually, NW did multiple daily SNA-DTW for many years along with the SNA-MSP. They also did SJC-DTW. So SNA-DTW was not brief, except maybe for trying it again, as you refer to.


25 Cubsrule : Announced late last year. I'm not sure when it started.
26 FlyPNS1 : But UA isn't getting stronger on the West Coast either except for SFO. UA has chopped back LAX for quite a while. The problem with many of these seco
27 Cubsrule : What's left as far as long, low-frequency ERJ flights from IAH? I know CRW gets a single daily ERJ; I assume that route is in some danger.
28 FlyPNS1 : CID 1x daily DSM 2x daily GRR 1x daily SAV 2x daily CAE 1x daily CHS 2x daily GSP 2x daily RIC 2x daily ORF 1x daily (+ 1 CRJ700) All of these are ov
29 Post contains images point2point : How things change, eh? Who would have thought, and so quickly? Are we now seeing more than 10% cutbacks? Where's all of the discussions here of the C
30 Mainliner : I wouldn't count on it. The ROA-PHL flights fluctuate between DH8 and DH3 (even a CRJ at times), and are not usually full. An extra flight will also
31 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : That would be enjoyable. NW at one time flew SNA-SEA two daily. I'm sure it was short-lived, and I can't even remember when it was. I just remember t
32 RWA380 : That can be fighting words here on A.net you guys know that, right? Right after the RC merger with M80's? I don't remember that route, but do remembe
33 wn676 : US is currently leading in weekly seats in the market.
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : They are using DL owned CR7s that were reallocated from OO and EV. Started around March I would like to say on DTW-ELM until the new slots became ava
35 DeltaL1011man : and CVG-SNA and LAS-SNA....all on the same slot. err....its 1x to ONT and it will be coming back. This. I wont start, I will just say, You better hop
36 BoeingGuy : With all due respect, I sure don't remember that. I that America West did it for a short time, but not sure on that. The only airlines that I know of
37 Post contains links peanuts : I must have missed something, enjoying summertime with the kids. What's this all about? Perimeter? Edit: Oh, just found this: http://www.ajc.com/busi
38 Post contains images tommy767 : Definitely some DEN style cuts circa late 2011 for IAH right now. One has to ponder if it's UA truely right sizing IAH or a grudge issue with the Smi
39 FlyASAGuy2005 : DSM, GRR, CHS, RIC, and ORF are all ripe for 2-class RJs. I'd even say CHS and RIC could support mainline. But as you pointed out, they're pretty thi
40 drerx7 : Yep. The cuts at IAH are good for the airline's bottom line. Its extremely poor taste and very low class for them to use the HOU issue. It is not goi
41 Post contains images enilria : Well, I'm not sure the yields are really any higher on ATL-SFO than ATL-SMF. SFO has LCC competition. The same could be said of ONT. Which breaks the
42 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Not sure. Well, I'll have to do some digging to save some face. Where's Burnsie28 when I need him? I'll have to Facebook IM one of the two PMNW Res a
43 Cubsrule : The internal rule was 750 miles, not 2 hours. It complies (barely).
44 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : This is from the December 15, 1989 OAG, for SEA: NORTHWEST AIRLINES Aircraft Operated: Airbus A320, Boeing 727-100, Boeing 727-200, Boeing 747-100/20
45 DeltaL1011man : yes, low season in a down market gets cut. If ONT wasn't in such bad shape it would still have its flights. much cheaper to make people fly via SLC.
46 Post contains images LAXintl : While frequencies might be down, enplanements are up however. In general UA LAX has seen an upgauge in capacity size with shift from things like OO E
47 HVNandrew : Yes, I think DL's ATL-ONT cut speaks way more about the state of ONT and the Inland Empire than anything else. The area is reeling - it has been an ec
48 drerx7 : Exactly Thats the image that all this is being portrayed by media. Its set up a good (City of Houston/Southwest/Hobby) vs. Evil (United) dynamic here
49 iowaman : ATL-SFO is noticeably higher yielding on DL compared to ATL-ONT or even SMF, not to mention slightly higher load factors as well: City pair Median Ti
50 BoeingGuy : Okay, I'd like to hear about it. However, what kind of aircraft did they use? The I'd be interested to see the figures for SJC and SEA also.
51 FlyASAGuy2005 : Right, but we can't even comapare SFO-ATL to SMF-ATL/ONT-ATL. DL almost has to serve such a large market. ONT and SMF really isn't in the same class.
52 iowaman : City pair Median Fare Load Factor (Non-stop DL flights only) ATL-SJC $267 85% ATL-SEA $280 90% This shows how important competition is: ATL-PDX $377
53 BoeingGuy : Not surprising at all. PDX is often considerably more expensive that SEA for domestic flights to the Midwest or East Coast.
54 slcdeltarumd11 : Definitely. That area is really hurting bad its nothing to do with delta.
55 iowaman : For what it's worth and because I feel like a route nerd today: City pair Median Fare Load Factor Miles (Non-stop flights only on UA brand) IAH-DSM $
56 PlanesNTrains : Well....I told you all I know. ha ha I don't remember the equipment because I only remember the advertisement. I would imagine it was 727's or 757's,
57 BoeingGuy : It wouldn't have been 727s. To my knowledge, 727s never flew into SNA.
58 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Ok, I'm starting to regret bringing this up. -Dave
59 FlyPNS1 : What were IAH-AVL and IAH-GSO?
60 enilria : I've heard Anderson twice at public events say, in his folksy speaking style, "going forward we aren't going to ask our frequent flyers to fly on a s
61 RWA380 : The Dec 15th 1989, OAG shows 2 M80's a day SEA-SNA-SEA, by the Oct 1, 1991 OAG they were up to 3 flights a day on A-320's, this may have been the las
62 iowaman : City pair Median Ticket Price $ Load Factor % IAH-AVL $240 82% IAH-GSO $224 78% Also checked on: IAH-CRW $271 73% City pair Median Ticket Price $ Loa
63 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : The official statement, in a press release is stated here: http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1217 Delta already offers more First Class s
64 FlyASAGuy2005 : Well, PSU beat me to it...
65 Post contains images BoeingGuy : I learn something new everyday, thanks. I was on an ex-QQ MD-80 on AA doing SNA-SEA once and we were actually weight restricted. The MD-80 doesn't ha
66 MLI717fan : What about CID? They just recently trimmed that route from 2x to 1x?
67 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Because I didn't know the answers to your questions. -Dave
68 enilria : Of course, that is not taking the % local into account. I'd assume GSO is more local than the others, making it better. Interesting. Based upon just
69 PSU.DTW.SCE : 1) They are not breaking their internal policy. The internal rule is 750 mile, period. It has NOTHING to do with flight time. 2) Yes, they could brea
70 DeltaL1011man : he wasn't telling the truth then. its 750M or '2.5 hours. As PSU said its blocked at 2.05 which fits in both of those. Enters what? this i agree on.
71 AVLAirlineFreq : I admit I laughed out loud at that. Well played.
72 CIDFlyer : I'd be curious to know how this flight is doing myself...UA is tops here, so Im wondering how good it does compared to ORD and DEN. I'm wondering if
73 LAXdude1023 : Doesnt look like it. ATL-ONT has been yanked from the schedule for good.
74 Beardown91737 : Anyone know what the yield is on ATL-LAX that DL has 11x on? Does UA also fly this? Where do you find that anyway? I know Great Circle mapper, Depart
75 Post contains links iowaman : ATL-LAX DL Median Fare: $267 LF: 87% http://flightaware.com/insight/airline/katl/Klax/ Unless something has changed, only FL (WN soon I'm guessing) a
76 FlyASAGuy2005 : At one point, UA use to fly SFO-ATL, correct?
77 smoot4208 : And it's official. Per OAG, MEM-DAL ends in September when ATL-DAL starts. Will show up in next week's changes. Also DL is ending RDU-BDL and RDU-CMH
78 Post contains images PHX787 : Seems like RDU isn't doing well as a focus city. Some startup needs to make that city a hub, stat
79 Beardown91737 : not the way it works, but CPE will go to $89.75
80 Cubsrule : Those routes, like many over the past 3 or 4 years, were really just a place to park 50 seaters. It's not reflective of DL's position on RDU (or RDU'
81 DeltaL1011man : Delta does an internal....umm basically weekly network update and they said its coming back for S13. but life with airlines tell us info is only good
82 PHX787 : But doesn't RDU have a relatively decent market, especially with all the research going on there, or is that just overplayed?
83 Cubsrule : Yes - which was my point. RDU is a strong market, and DL's termination of RDU-BDL/CMH doesn't reflect any weakness of RDU (just like AA's termination
84 Post contains images point2point : Huh? Could there please be a source here? Yes, ONT is high by comparison to some others, yet y/e 2011, CPE was $12.28 from FAA data. Some predict tha
85 LAXintl : Ontario fees actually dropped effective July 1st. Landing fees, and rentals were reduced for the new fiscal year. Cost per enplaned passenger for airl
86 RWA380 : I want to say yes, as I remember someone I knew that flew UA ATL-SFO-PDX at one point, but can't tell you when it was, but I'd guess the aircraft wou
87 Beardown91737 : Because the CPE formula at ONT boils down to expenses paid for as a self sustaining entity. Passenger numbers go down, CPE goes up. It was my respons
88 Post contains images point2point : Okay.... got it..... Sometimes I guess we can all engage in slow thinking......
89 erj170 : RDU is slowly receding.. The addition of SFO is great, but losing these short hops are gonna hurt worst because a lot of the jobs in the area rely on
90 FlyASAGuy2005 : Despite all of this, RDU is still one of Delta's largest non-hub markets. It will always be a strong station with very healthy premium demand. Have y
91 enilria : Agreed. They are just holding a gate (leased from AA). ATL-ONT. It's a pretty obvious WN route with no DL service. I guess. I still say WN enters it.
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OAG Changes 6/15/2012: AA/G4/UA/WN posted Wed Jun 13 2012 06:54:48 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/20/2012: AA/FL/UA posted Thu Apr 19 2012 06:03:46 by enilria
OAG Changes 6/19/09: AA/DL/NW/US posted Thu Jun 18 2009 06:47:05 by Enilria
OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US posted Tue Feb 21 2012 12:25:46 by enilria
OAG Changes 2/17/2012: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA/US posted Tue Feb 14 2012 10:49:54 by enilria
OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA posted Tue Jun 19 2012 06:03:43 by enilria
OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA posted Tue May 22 2012 08:39:02 by enilria