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DL Mainline Returns To AVL, CHA, ROA, TRI, ILM  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

A interesting addition to this week's schedule, although it was somewhat buried in the OAG thread.

DL is adding more mainline flying back to routes out of ATL that traditionally have not seen DL mainline service much, if not all for a better part of the decade.

Most of the flights are RON flights, leaving ATL in the evening, departing for ATL in the morning. In many markets they are compensating with the reduction of a CRJ frequency. This is adding more capacity at peak travel times and adding a 2-class service on the more popular business flights. Note that most other service throughout the day will remain on 50 seat CRJs

AVL: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012)
CHA: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012
ROA: A319 (Sept 2012)
TRI: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012)
ILM: DC-9-50 (October 2012) (ILM goes from 6x CRJ to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x CR9 in Sept, and to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x D95 in Oct)

Additional ATL upgauging:
GSO: Going from: 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 2x D95, 2x M88, 73W To: 1x CRJ, 1x CR7, 6x M88
FAY: DC-9-50 upgauged to MD88
MOB: Going from 7x CRJ, 1x A319, 1x MD88; To: 6x CRJ, 1x A319, 2x DC-9-50

[Edited 2012-07-10 17:05:32]

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User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8551 times:

It would be great to see DL come back into some midwest markets with the same idea..FWA, SBN and other similar sized markets. Some the airport is far enough out of town that the potential complaints of a DC9 would be nil.(tho any A nut in those cites would be camped out as close to the runways as possible!)

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8523 times:

LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs  .


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs

The layovers mostly appear to be set-up so the crew just spend the night and fly the same plane back in the morning. Most are 10-12 hours, so they most likely won't be spending "all day" there.

Layovers in these types of cities can be easier than larger markets. The airports are quicker to get in/out of at the beginning/end of the day, and typically a short trip to the hotel. The crew hotels could be better than larger cities.

Seriously, these markets aren't that small. A crew hotel in one city is like a crew hotel in another. Not all layovers are going to be in LHR, YVR, MIA, etc.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

C'mon CHA is not that bad...the DL crew can drive back home to ATL for the night and drive back in the morning for the fight 


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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Good to see DL reversing the trend of most airlines the past 15 years.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late.

On nights with T-storms in ATL, you can bet many if not nearly all these RONs will be cancelled. The crews would end up illegal the next day with less than 8 hours rest and with a small D95 fleet and limited crews it will throw off the entire next day schedule if for legality they end up leaving the outstation at 1100 instead of 0800 for the trip to ATL.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6485 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal.

Waffle House, Denny's, etc are always around. Not great, but they'll do.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7980 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of!

And how is this any different than the DC-9 flying that was done for DECADES at NW, or by what used to be flown by 73S's at DL?

As I think about it more, if there are any crews out there with this mentality, they need to realize they can't have their cake and eat it too. The type of thinking "that we're too good to fly short-hops, to smaller markets, etc. is what partially led to the outsourcing or RJ operations. Most have seen what that did to the industry and they're now standing their ground and want to reclaim this flying. DL pilots want more mainline flying, want to take flying back from DCI. They're going to get RONs in places like TRI, ROA, FNT, MDT, etc.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
Good to see DL reversing the trend of most airlines the past 15 years.

Exactly!

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 6):
On nights with T-storms in ATL, you can bet many if not nearly all these RONs will be cancelled. The crews would end up illegal the next day with less than 8 hours rest and with a small D95 fleet and limited crews it will throw off the entire next day schedule if for legality they end up leaving the outstation at 1100 instead of 0800 for the trip to ATL.

Or perhaps they'll cancel some of the other RJ flights. In most cases these mainline flights are neither the last flight of the evening nor the first flight out in the morning. There are often a CRJ flight post 10pm out of ATL and pre-6am inbound to ATL. In addition, ATL is a crew base for these fleet types with reserves. Also they could easily sub a different fleet type in on any one of these routes and equipment availability dictates. Don't be surprised to see A319, A320, MD88 sub's as needed on any of these routes.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
Waffle House, Denny's, etc are always around. Not great, but they'll do.

Seriously I've been in most of these cities, they are not bad at all. For road warriors every city and hotel starts to be the same after awhile.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3762 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ILM: DC-9-50 (October 2012) (ILM goes from 6x CRJ to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x CR9 in Sept, and to 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x D95 in Oct)

ILM is getting quite the upgrade. Serious question... Is there some event, seasonal upswing or economic boom going on? US has run mainline there for years, so I don't see DL having any problem making this work.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ROA: A319 (Sept 2012)

*bad taste in mouth*

Moving on...

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs  .

You do realize that some crews enjoy RON's in the smaller cities that "feel" like a larger city. Most crews dont seem to mind coming to Charleston..short ride to the airport, plenty of late night food, and drink a short walk from the hotel. I assume ROA is a similar feel. Sometimes a generally friendly population helps too. I'm getting the impression you haven't spent much time in cities this size.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
Good to see DL reversing the trend of most airlines the past 15 years.

One small step for man..... I just hope the trend continues. And of course I have to say it... no love for CRW this round.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1082 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630 . It is not considered a 'layover'..technically...as the trip is one continuous duty period. At NWA we called the mommy/daddy trips; put the kids to bed, fly to MOT, take a nap in an airport hotel...and back at base before the morning rush hour. They went senior.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9969 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 10):
All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630 . It is not considered a 'layover'..technically...as the trip is one continuous duty period. At NWA we called the mommy/daddy trips; put the kids to bed, fly to MOT, take a nap in an airport hotel...and back at base before the morning rush hour. They went senior.

My daughter, who is a F/A for Skywest out of SLC, likes this trips, just for the reasons you mention. She tries to schedule these as much as possible thruout the month, just so she can be with the kids, most of the time.



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User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Additional ATL upgauging:

To add to your list, beginning tomorrow ATW-ATL is going from 2x CR7 to 1x CR9 and 1x CR7. These flights are normally 100% full, so it is a necessary upgrade.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ROA: A319 (Sept 2012)

*bad taste in mouth*

Why? The A319 is among the most comfortable narrowbody aircraft in the fleet. Would you prefer a CRJ? Or is this just the usual Airbus bashing we see in the DL threads?



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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

I've lived in huge metro areas, including NYC, Toronto and Chicago. I live in ROA by choice -- good quality of life, low cost of living and gorgeous scenery. A crewmember overnighting here will have the same or better type of hotel that's just minutes from the airport, is quiet, in a place where people are kind and considerate. There's no long waiting for the shuttle bus, throngs of people or hordes of traffic. The air is clean and the views superb. It's good living, and crews will appreciate the change of pace. Heck, there's even a Shula's steakhouse at the airport Sheraton. Welcome, mainline DL!


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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs

I'm going to disagree with you.

No difference between a TRI layover for 11 hours and a DAB layover for 11 hours.

Hotel placement means everything; "very late at night, desperate to eat a meal" can take place in a downtown or other centrally located area if there aren't the right things around or at the hotel. Even at TRI, MOB, CHA, etc., this depends less on the location and more on the hotel itself from my experience.


No reason to avoid these small, hassle-free airports in the middle of a trip.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 10):
All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630 . It is not considered a 'layover'..technically...as the trip is one continuous duty period. At NWA we called the mommy/daddy trips; put the kids to bed, fly to MOT, take a nap in an airport hotel...and back at base before the morning rush hour. They went senior.

For now, these routes aren't being built like that. Here some of the schedule to show:

AVL:
DL 1518 ATL AVL 2045 2139 D95
EV 5292 ATL AVL 2200 2258 CRJ

EV 5228 AVL ATL 0605 0710 CRJ
DL 1517 AVL ATL 0725 0830 D95

Layover: 9:46

CHA:
DL 1714 ATL CHA 1915 2001 D95
EV 5232 ATL CHA 2045 2138 CRJ
EV 4923 ATL CHA 2255 2353 CRJ

EV 5583 CHA ATL 0545 0635 CRJ
DL 1771 CHA ATL 0645 0735 D95

Layover: 10:44

ROA:
DL 1993 ATL ROA 1755 1920 319
EV 5316 ATL ROA 2149 2310 CRJ

EV 5512 ROA ATL 0610 0735 CRJ
DL 1349 ROA ATL 0730 0859 319

Layover: 12:10

TRI:
DL 2126 ATL TRI 1955 2100 D95
EV 5350 ATL TRI 2210 2318 CRJ

EV 5344 TRI ATL 0550 0659 CRJ
DL 1350 TRI ATL 0730 0842 D95

Layover: 10:30

ILM:
DL 2411 ATL ILM 1930 2050 D95
EV 5022 ATL ILM 2210 2330 CRJ

EV 5575 ILM ATL 0600 0725 CRJ
DL 2409 ILM ATL 0705 0835 D95

Layover: 10:35

Quoting KGRB (Reply 12):
To add to your list, beginning tomorrow ATW-ATL is going from 2x CR7 to 1x CR9 and 1x CR7. These flights are normally 100% full, so it is a necessary upgrade.

Yeah, that sounds like more or less typical adjustments. There are always a lot of these with every month. The mainline additions are a fundamental change in these markets. DL has though added back as there are previous thread about these "mainline injections" coming back, mostly from ATL.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 12):
Why? The A319 is among the most comfortable narrowbody aircraft in the fleet. Would you prefer a CRJ? Or is this just the usual Airbus bashing we see in the DL threads?

I think he is lamenting the fact that CRW didn't get any mainline addition, and ROA did.

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 13):
I live in ROA by choice -- good quality of life, low cost of living and gorgeous scenery. A crewmember overnighting here will have the same or better type of hotel that's just minutes from the airport, is quiet, in a place where people are kind and considerate. There's no long waiting for the shuttle bus, throngs of people or hordes of traffic. The air is clean and the views superb. It's good living, and crews will appreciate the change of pace. Heck, there's even a Shula's steakhouse at the airport Sheraton. Welcome, mainline DL!

I loved it there. I spent about 6 months traveling in and out of ROA / LYH. I was there from July-January. August-November were great months to be there. Big enough to have what you need but still had the smaller town appeal. The mountain scenery was great, especially the fall colors. Plus as a frequent travel, the hotels had great customer service.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
There are often a CRJ flight post 10pm out of ATL and pre-6am inbound to ATL.

Most domestic flights ex ATL are gone by the big 2145, 2200, 2210, and 2230 pushes. Off the top of my head the ones (RJs) that are 2250 (off season/off peak) and 2300 are JAN, HSV, MGM, VPS, CHA, AGS, CAE.

Form mainline, MSY, PNS, TPA, MCO, FLL, JAX, CLT, RDU.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 10):
All of those trips can be built as 'stand ups' or 'illegals'. You check in at say 2130, push at 2230.....fly one leg to XXX, go to the hotel for 6.5 hours and fly one leg back to base at 0630

According to a DL pilot, this is not allowed per their contract.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 12):
Why? The A319 is among the most comfortable narrowbody aircraft in the fleet. Would you prefer a CRJ? Or is this just the usual Airbus bashing we see in the DL threads?

Judging by his name, I think he's pissed that ROA got mainline and not CRW although both schedules at current are near identical including enplanements.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Additional ATL upgauging:
GSO: Going from: 4x CRJ, 1x CR7, 2x D95, 2x M88, 73W To: 1x CRJ, 1x CR7, 6x M88
FAY: DC-9-50 upgauged to MD88
MOB: Going from 7x CRJ, 1x A319, 1x MD88; To: 6x CRJ, 1x A319, 2x DC-9-50

Gets even better in OCT for GSO..

GSO: 1x CR7, 2x DC9, 6x MD88

[Edited 2012-07-10 21:04:14]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7595 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
AVL: DC-9-50 (Sept 2012)

I love AVL. good for them!

Asheville is a very beautiful town.



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User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7328 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):

THANK GOD for this Asheville flight.... I always dread connecting from a 77L LAX-ATL to a CRJ ATL-AVL... I always feel a little cheated when I purchase a Business Class ticket and then connect to a CRJ as the Y fares are not cheap any time of the year between AVL and LAX.

I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

Anyway, great for Delta!!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

Great news all around.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
LOL, for the DL crews this flying probably means multiple short hauls, capped off by a nice layover in a place they've never heard of! I sure wouldn't want to be getting in to Tri-Cities, TN or Roanoke, VA very late at night, desperate to eat a decent meal. I imagine these places have little to offer during the day, let alone anything open late. I bet you'll see some *VERY* junior crews doing these new mainline runs, especially the RONs .
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
The layovers mostly appear to be set-up so the crew just spend the night and fly the same plane back in the morning. Most are 10-12 hours, so they most likely won't be spending "all day" there.

There is actually quite a nice Hilton up the road in AVL and having a night at Lexington Avenue Brewery or Wedge never did anyone too much harm!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
I love AVL. good for them!

Asheville is a very beautiful town.
Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):
THANK GOD for this Asheville flight.... I always dread connecting from a 77L LAX-ATL to a CRJ ATL-AVL... I always feel a little cheated when I purchase a Business Class ticket and then connect to a CRJ as the Y fares are not cheap any time of the year between AVL and LAX.

I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

Anyway, great for Delta!!!!!!!!

Here here PHX and AirAfreak. Coming from LHR to ATL or DTW and being on a small CRJ for the last bit was always a struggle.

Kind Regards,

Team



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User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

I think these are going to be good markets for the 717.


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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7124 times:

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 18):
I don't think AVL has seen DL Mainline since the late 90's... but I could be wrong.

1995, to be exact. A lot of these markets all lost DL mainline on the same day.

[Edited 2012-07-11 05:31:57]

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7078 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 21):
1995, to be exact. A lot of these markets all lost DL mainline on the same day.

What was the deciding factor that happened back then?
What were they previously operating then?


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
What was the deciding factor that happened back then?
What were they previously operating then?

At the time, places like AVL, CHA, MGM, and PFN were receiving a combination of EV service on EMB-120s and ATR-72s, and DL mainline on MD-80s. DL dropped many of them on the same day in December 1995 in favor of EV's BAe ("Bring another engine") 146s once they entered the fleet.


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 1):
It would be great to see DL come back into some midwest markets with the same idea..FWA, SBN and other similar sized markets. Some the airport is far enough out of town that the potential complaints of a DC9 would be nil.(tho any A nut in those cites would be camped out as close to the runways as possible!)

Don't forget... FWA is a MX base for Pinnacle so there will still be CRJ trips for RON MX there.


25 richierich : Don't forget Pal's! FlyPNS1 is right - there is always something open although I'm not sure if these even would be layover cities. Depends on where t
26 mayor : I would imagine that Bristol, TN, being a NASCAR city would be the same way.
27 delta2ual : Actually, the senior people will know them well because we flew to most of these places at one time. My bet is (for domestic trips) they go senior. W
28 HVNandrew : ILM has had a pretty large film industry presence for years. I haven't been down there since 2006, but it was a big deal back then. Maybe that is get
29 mayor : Back when I hired on with DL in '71, AVL and CHA were both mainline cities (of course, there was nothing BUT mainline back then). IIRC, the only serv
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : I think it'll come down to how the trips are built but yeah, I'll have to agree. Most of these cities has not seen mainline service for the better pa
31 Cubsrule : Particularly with respect to the places that are further west, several got NW mainline up to very close to the merger. In the 2005-2006 time frame, f
32 Post contains images PHX787 : I do know what you're talking about, coming from NRT to LAX on a 330 then transitioning to a CRJ to PHX is no fun
33 AirAfreak : Add 737-200 (and possibly other series) to that list for Asheville =]
34 PI734 : DL removed mainline service in December 1994 from AVL...Only US had mainline until right after September 11, 2001...then FL did briefly...Great to see
35 FI642 : Pirdmont Markers.... And getting ready for 717"s
36 KGRB : I see. My apologies to Kcrwflyer for the misunderstanding and incorrect assumption! Sorry, my man. f you ever come to Appleton, you can have a beer o
37 IrishAyes : HAHAHA. Funny this comes after UA announces it is chopping IAHAVL "thanks to HOU expansion approval"
38 AVLAirlineFreq : DL dropped mainline to AVL in December 1995. US dropped mainline in September 2002.
39 bhmdiversion : HSV has always had DL Mainline metal for longer than 2 years. TYS and GSP are MX bases for Pinnacle, hence why a 900 was going there each night; and
40 freakyrat : I don't think SBN is that far behind in getting mainline back, especially to ATL.
41 PSU.DTW.SCE : I think you'd see it on DTW if anything as CRJs start to go away. DTW-SBN is 6x CRJ, ATL-SBN is 3x CRJ.
42 Post contains images FlyPIJets : I don't think ROA has ever had DL mainline. So ROA isn't a return, but, start mainline service. Yay ROA, my hometown. I can remember 50 mainline fligh
43 FlyPNS1 : VPS has seen mainline injections for most of the past 6 years...primarily during peak periods (Spring/Summer). Up until about 2002, MOB was all mainl
44 freakyrat : SBN-DTW was mainline on North Central pre-deregulation on DC9's and CV-580's and Northwest used the same combinations after merging with Republic. Del
45 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yup.. Would always get DL in the summer monthsbut would go back to all EV/OH. First time, at least as far as i've seen, that HSV has some sort of DL
46 FlyPIJets : Since the announcement that DL is starting ATL with mainline aircraft, this got me to wondering if DL's mainline service is ROA's first addition of ma
47 CIDFlyer : Id like to see mainline come back to CID. We used to have mainline DC9 and also ARJ service with NWA to MSP. Would be nice to see some upgrades with
48 Mainliner : If the crews overnighting in ROA are staying at Hotel Roanoke, they will have TONS of options for dining and entertainment. The downtown area has man
49 September11 : Unless I have missed something (probably have), Piedmont was the last carrier to add mainline service to ROA and that was 30 years ago, in the old te
50 Post contains images PGNCS : Based on what evidence? I am not junior and can layover most anywhere I want and I would much rather be in either TRI or ROA than LAX, SFO, or any NY
51 KDAYflyer : I wonder how many of these will convert to 717 service when those birds enter the fleet.
52 Cubsrule : In large cities - I'm looking at you, New York and L.A. - hotels tend to be either really lousy or really far from the airport. I've never had a posi
53 FlyPIJets : Did that service actually start? It was very short lived it it did. Still 22 years since the introduction of mainline service to ROA by a network car
54 PSU.DTW.SCE : When and were the heck was Piedmont flying 50 flights a day out of ROA? Not doubting you, since I know they did, but that is prior to my time. In a s
55 Post contains links FlyPIJets : By 1977 ROA was PI largest city (even before). http://www.departedflights.com/ROA79p1.html that is 45 inbound in 79 after the ROA pull down had start
56 delta2ual : Exactly! In fact, my friend from Brussels Airlines tells me that their NYC layovers are not in NYC. They are closer to the airport. I forget which ar
57 FlyASAGuy2005 : Is that fairly near the airport itself? On short layovers they're usually at an airport hotel and for long layovers in or very near the city.
58 Cubsrule : ROA is a bit of an odd duck in that regard, IIRC. The terminal is literally right across the street from a couple of strip malls, and there aren't ma
59 FlyPIJets : It would be awesome if the Hotel Roanoke made a play for layover crews. If this were the case, ROA would easily become a crew favorite. Roanoke is a
60 Cubsrule : I agree. It's just a little bit unusual for that sized town how built up the area around the airport is. To cite a couple of the other cities on this
61 FlyASAGuy2005 : ASA crew use to love PFN but ECP is so out of the way and in the middle of nowhere!! I've heard a lot of complaining about the place.
62 tooluther : Thank you to all the ROA defenders on the thread. Because there is a gulf of other major cities around us, Roanoke has lots of amenities you would nev
63 AVLAirlineFreq : I think you meant, "...especially as they have pulled out of LYH," since DL quit LYH in the last couple of years.
64 Kcrwflyer : Pissed probably isn't a good word, but in a nutshell PSU and ASA are correct. No worries GRB, If I'm ever in the region I'll take you up on that offe
65 Cubsrule : Heck, LYH had service to PIT up until 2004 or so. But I think the discussion about DL eclipsing US is sort of misguided. DL has pulled out of a numbe
66 PSU.DTW.SCE : The hotels are not even a 5 mo DL's ROA service still isn't where it was even just a few years ago. DTW-ROA used to be 3x daily in the NW days (grant
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