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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 49  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16634 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLIX

"Tribute to Mexicana de Aviacion in Central America"

The most emblematic Mexican airline operating in Central America suspended their commercial operations back in 2010.
According to the source wikipedia, Mexicana de Aviacion did serve Guatemala City since the 30s, adding new regional stations later. Having said that, during their last years the airline operated in Guatemala City, San Salvador, Panama City and San Jose allowing direct flights to Mexico City; MX SJO-CUN was active for a while. Most of the mentioned routes have been overtaken by Aero Mexico at this time.
Equipment utilized in Central America: 727, 318 and 320. I couldn’t find further info concerning to their older planes flying to the isthmus in the past.








Edited on July 10th, 2012


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16703 times:

thanks for the new thread! Good work as always....


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16672 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
thanks for the new thread

It's always a pleasure. Everyone get ready for the coming 50th edition !      




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Back to the commercial aviation, the announced UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly would complement the existing TA SAL-IAD service.
We have been saying for years about how necessary is a new flight linking SAL-IAD, in order to exploit better the code-share agreement between UA and TA.
UA is taking the initiative considering the shortage of more flights deployed by TA in that sector.
Their mutual schedules should be re-timed to benefit the transferring of passengers at SAL and even IAD.
It's widely known about the sizeable O&D traffic heading to Washington area from Guatemala City and San Salvador; however this new service should be oriented to O&D and in-transit passengers, in similar proportions.
This movement seems to be pursued by Star Alliance and I also expect further frequencies to Chicago, San Francisco and even Denver in the future from many Central American stations: GUA, SAL, SJO and PTY.

Loaded schedule:

UA 1660..........IAD 09:15...........SAL 13:10............Daily
UA 1716..........SAL 14:00..........IAD 19:19.............Daily
Effective: December 19th

Regards.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16675 times:

Mexicana have a nice run in Central American, I remember they operated sometime their DC10 to Guatemala, I also love to see those 727. They also server with Mexicana Link CUN-GUA-CUN in a CRJ200 before they shut down.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16662 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
UA 1660..........IAD 09:15...........SAL 13:10............Daily
UA 1716..........SAL 14:00..........IAD 19:19.............Daily
Effective: December 19th

Doesn't TA already fly IAD-SAL in the morning?



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16640 times:
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The flight arrives exactly at the midday bank. Excellent for connections.


avi8
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16628 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 4):
Doesn't TA already fly IAD-SAL in the morning?

Current San Salvador - Washington Dulles service on TACA:

TA 591.....IAD 04:58........SAL 07:28.......Daily
TA 581.....IAD 11:18........SAL 13:53.......Daily
TA 583.....IAD 15:50........SAL 18:30.......Tu, Th, Sa

TA 582.....SAL 08:25.......IAD 14:45........Tu, Th, Sa
TA 580.....SAL 14:57.......IAD 21:22........Daily
TA 590....SAL 19:50.......IAD 02:15+1....Daily

That's why I said all the IAD-SAL flights might be re-timed.
In my view, one plane leaving out of IAD late at night, RON at SAL and returning daily to IAD early in the morning is the most feasible choice.




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Quoting juanchito (Reply 3):
Mexicana Link CUN-GUA-CUN in a CRJ200 before they shut down

Correct. InterJet also flew the GUA-CUN sector for a little while back; thrice a week if I recall correctly.

Regards.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16622 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 5):
The flight arrives exactly at the midday bank. Excellent for connections.


Arrive to IAD for some little International connections

KWI Kuwait UA 982 United Airlines 10:00 PM 777-200
FRA Frankfurt UA 932 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
LHR London UA 924 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
DUB Dublin UA 126 United Airlines 10:02 PM 757-200
MUC Munich LH 415 Lufthansa 10:05 PM A330-300
GRU Sao Paulo UA 861 United Airlines 10:08 PM 777-200
MAN Manchester UA 100 United Airlines 10:16 PM 757-200

Juanchito



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16614 times:
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Plus some domestic connections aswell. And also, not many passengers can connect on UA's flight from SAL because the plane leaves right when the wave of TA planes start to arrive.


avi8
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16531 times:

The big PTY airport parking business in Spanish, from www.prensa.com
Yet another scandal related to Tocumen, S.A. state owned airport management company.
The airport company expects the concessionaire to built a USD10 million structure for extra airport parking.
Still, PTY has a severe lack of parking and now this.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16413 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
Current San Salvador - Washington Dulles service on TACA:

TA 591.....IAD 04:58........SAL 07:28.......Daily
TA 581.....IAD 11:18........SAL 13:53.......Daily
TA 583.....IAD 15:50........SAL 18:30.......Tu, Th, Sa

TA 582.....SAL 08:25.......IAD 14:45........Tu, Th, Sa
TA 580.....SAL 14:57.......IAD 21:22........Daily
TA 590....SAL 19:50.......IAD 02:15+1....Daily

UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly will be operated with 738.




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Quoting juanchito (Reply 7):
KWI Kuwait UA 982 United Airlines 10:00 PM 777-200
FRA Frankfurt UA 932 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
LHR London UA 924 United Airlines 10:01 PM 777-200
DUB Dublin UA 126 United Airlines 10:02 PM 757-200
MUC Munich LH 415 Lufthansa 10:05 PM A330-300
GRU Sao Paulo UA 861 United Airlines 10:08 PM 777-200
MAN Manchester UA 100 United Airlines 10:16 PM 757-200

UA SAL-IAD or TA SAL-IAD may be a new gateway to Europe and sponsored by Star Alliance.
TA SAL-MIA was code-sharing with LH in order to link LH MIA-FRA.

Regards.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16360 times:

anyone take notice of NK's foray into IAH......anyone think NK will beat WN to the punch on some IAH-C. American routes   


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16332 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
anyone take notice of NK's foray into IAH......anyone think NK will beat WN to the punch on some IAH-C. American routes

While WN waits and waits for a whole new concourse with Port-of-Entry at HOU, NK could beat WN if it gets HOU to convert one existing gate to an international gate enough area for F:I.S.
But I don't think NK would go head to head with UA at IAH, unless it's to destinations no longer flown by UA.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
UA SAL-IAD or TA SAL-IAD may be a new gateway to Europe and sponsored by Star Alliance.

Great news for those who don't mind going thru U.S. immigrations/customs when connecting international-international a a U.S. airport and/or those who don't need visas for the U.S.



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16262 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):
But I don't think NK would go head to head with UA at IAH, unless it's to destinations no longer flown by UA.

NK announced IAH-DFW



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16260 times:

With B6 announcing JFK/BOS-GCM......one destination is (presumably left) if my pajarito is correct.....

Will it be PTY or ANU?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16241 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
Will it be PTY or ANU?

B6 BOS-PTY w/CM code-share?



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16233 times:
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Unfortunately, my dreams of B6 coming to GUA become smaller every second  


avi8
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16220 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
With B6 announcing JFK/BOS-GCM......one destination is (presumably left)

AZS was also announced, was it not? 1) CTG, 2) AZS, 3) GCM, so is that it for now, or will there be a fourth?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16218 times:

Both COPA and LAN are aggressively seeking to employ ex-Pluna pilots. COPA is hoping to poach up to 60 ex-Pluna pilots for its upcoming expansion plans.
LAN, Copa y BQB se disputan a pilotos desempleados de Pluna


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16165 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Both COPA and LAN are aggressively seeking to employ ex-Pluna pilots. COPA is hoping to poach up to 60 ex-Pluna pilots for its upcoming expansion plans.

Interesting development. More interesting is the fact that the Persian Gulf and Indian airlines didn't rush to Uruguay as PU was in its final days to try to get Uruguayan pilots.
Do any of those former PU pilots are B737 or E190 certified?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16150 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
Interesting development. More interesting is the fact that the Persian Gulf and Indian airlines didn't rush to Uruguay as PU was in its final days to try to get Uruguayan pilots.

Well, LA saw the writing on the wall before PU suspended all flights. PU used to operate up to 28 weekly flights into SCL from MVD and 5 weekly flights into CCP before it collapsed. So they are very familiar with flying with-in Chile.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
Do any of those former PU pilots are B737 or E190 certified?

Besides the CRJs, PU has pilots certified on the B737, B757 and B767.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15960 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 17):
AZS was also announced, was it not? 1) CTG, 2) AZS, 3) GCM, so is that it for now, or will there be a fourth?

thats three, but there were some very very good and multiple sources on PTY being chosen. Maybe something happened at the last minute.

The airline business is strange...remember DL and the NBO experience...the plane was a the gate to depart on the inaugural and they pulled the plug....



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15944 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
thats three, but there were some very very good and multiple sources on PTY being chosen. Maybe something happened at the last minute.

Hope that CM and its owners being at odds with PTY airport state-owned management company and our country president has nothing to do with that.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15914 times:
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I ask myself if GUA was on the line. GUA desperately needs a flight to the North East aside from the 1x weekly UA flight to EWR!


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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15905 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 23):
I ask myself if GUA was on the line. GUA desperately needs a flight to the North East aside from the 1x weekly UA flight to EWR!

Didn't TA try and fail at JFK-GUA?



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25 MGASJO : Skytrax Awards 2012: Best Staff Service in Central America / Caribbean - TACA Airlines Best Airline in Central America / Caribbean - TACA Airlines[Edi
26 avi8 : TA downsized their operations in GUA a few years ago when they axed IAD, BZE, MGA, CUN and JFK. This was largely due to them wanting to focus in centr
27 mt99 : Is that third year in a row?
28 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : IB to add a 5th MAD-PTY from www.prensa.com in Spanish Spanish airline IB will increase its frequencies to PTY from 4 to 5 per week. The La Prensa new
29 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Perhaps it's rather derived from the shortage of the demand of passengers heading to Guatemala. B6 never launched the commented JFK-GUA service. DL J
30 viaggiare : Hope to see PTY and BZE make the cut next time. Go figure.
31 SJOtoLIR : IB MAD-PTY 5x weekly goes back to 4x weekly on October 30th. Source: amadeus.net Regards.
32 mt99 : BZE and Roatan do no qualify as "Caribbean"? Qatar Airlines do not serve every destination in the world.. yet the are number #1 PTY was selected as #
33 yellowtail : Technically no...They qualify as much as Costa Rica does. However the cultural ties are much stronger between the Caribbean and RTB /BZE
34 viaggiare : Reminds me of someone asking whether the pickles in his cheeseburger counted as a dietary serving of vegetables.
35 mt99 : And what did they respond to you?
36 SJOtoLIR : I've been reading so far on this board about the possible expansion in Central America offered by jetBlue in the near future and nothing is happening
37 SJOtoLIR : More news on TACA: Cali and Medellin will be experiencing non-stop flights out of LIM soon: TA 146.....LIM 10:25..........MDE 13:35........Mo, We, Fr
38 yellowtail : Does anyone recall how far in advance CM makes route announcements? For example, Dec launch would dictate announcement when? July?
39 viaggiare : September has been their month of choice for the last couple of years (MTY, SXM) and has also happened as early as mid–June (ASU, CUC, ORD) althoug
40 yellowtail : I need to go to CTG in Feb and PTY in Mar and hoping to be able to do in from BZE on CM
41 Post contains links and images viaggiare : I would suggest a novena to St. Jude Thaddeus, the patron saint of causas difíciles — lol j/k.
42 yellowtail : If you think that will put us over the top I am all for busting out the religious influence
43 viaggiare : Any idea how the KX seasonal twice–weekly GCM–PTY is doing? I wonder if the Cayman Islands Tourism Association and/or Department of Tourism are do
44 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : PTY North Concourse furniture bid declared void (again) from www.prensa.com in Spanish Yet another time, the ready to use PTY Muelle Norte won't be se
45 Post contains links juanchito : According to this article Copa is one of the 18 airline that have already comitted to the 737 MAX
46 juanchito : I am having trouble with the link from the The Wall Street Journal Americas Juanchito
47 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines had already announced the optimization of its fleet in the short-term consisting in 83 planes by the end of the year including 10 brand
48 juanchito : Yes I know this is the 737-8MAX I am talking about. They could start receiving them in 2017 or 2018 Juanchito
49 Post contains links viaggiare : More precisely, the 737 MAX 8 variant.. more info.
50 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama connecting point From www.prensa.com in Spanish The aviation sector accounts for 6% of Panama Gross National Product, not counting in the USD2B
51 yellowtail : There is no way that both CM and BW can co-exist on PTY-POS right now. the route has not developed enough yet. 3-4 years time maybe.....
52 viaggiare : Flights start in mid–September.
53 2travel2know2 : BW POS-GEO/BGI-PTY ?
54 yellowtail : worse...almost no one in POS will want to go via GEO and BGI to get to PTY when a non stop is available. GEO-PTY traffic is limited right now. BGI wo
55 Post contains links viaggiare : According to La Nación, the recent entry of 4O is shaking up the SJO–MEX market and ruffling feathers in the process, bringing US$700–900 fares d
56 2travel2know2 : Waiting for 4O entrance in PTY. No matter if it'd be TLC-PTY (as that's what probably CM will tolerate), fares between Mexico DF and PTY would drasti
57 viaggiare : But this notion that somehow it is Copa's prerogative to approve/dismiss route applications, or to otherwise meddle in the process of granting foreig
58 2travel2know2 : It's not CM prerogative to approve/dismiss routes, pretty sure 4O getting flying to PTY may disturb CM MEX yields but may attract some kind of connec
59 viaggiare : Now that fares to México have come down, what SJO needs is a SouthAm carrier (hopefully LA/JJ/4C) asap.
60 Post contains images copa330200 : I think CM should look at the AA new strategy of premium transcons (JFK-LAX/SFO) which will get 3-class A321s (F10J20W36Y36) . I think CM might consid
61 2travel2know2 : I believe for a B737-700/800 pilot a B737-900ER is a bit more tricky to manœuvre. Also there's an issue with extra flight attendant if the number of
62 yellowtail : That sort of layout will not allow for maximum aircraft flexibility. Where else could they use that "P.S" layout?
63 SJOtoLIR : KX PTY-GCM 2x weekly with 733 is likely trying to avoid the incursion of Copa Airlines or Air Panama in Grand Cayman. . I remember when Spirit starte
64 2travel2know2 : That's exactly why I still see a chance of TLC-PTY. Specially if AM also makes a move into PTY.
65 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Copa Holdings: The One Airline To Get Long From Seeking Alpha - in English Financial reporters Seeking Alpha gives quite good words on CM and its fina
66 Post contains images mt99 : I would not trust Seeking Alpha at ALL. My Seeking Alpha "recommended" stock Alcatel-Lucent (ALU) has lost 55% of it value since it was recommended.
67 juanchito : Aeromexico will not start soon PTY they are codesharing the flights with Copa Interjet will fly from MEX not TLC to PTY, they have more connection no
68 SJOtoLIR : It's a good point. However, AM in the past was asking about the possibility of flying the MEX-PTY sector. Thus, the bilateral agreement is only activ
69 Post contains images copa330200 : the idea is to have more "premiun" seats so no extra flight attendant is needed. I guess some US (as LAX, EWR) and MEX markets might use it
70 SJOtoLIR : WestJet from Canada will initiate the Toronto - Liberia service next year: WS 2742..........YYZ 09:10.......LIR 13:35...............Mo, Sa............
71 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Unlike the Panama-Argentina bilateral where airlines from both countries must fill the 28 weekly scheduled frequencies available, the Panama-Mexico b
72 viaggiare : Wonder what the gifted minds running the show at Ali Baba airport will come up with next.. talk about killing the golden goose.
73 2travel2know2 : I'd not doubt for a minute those people have been talking about charging passengers to use the airport rest-rooms. Golden Goose isn't owned by our pr
74 viaggiare : Bet you're having a hard time figuring out whether to laugh or cry.
75 2travel2know2 : My feelings on how this regime puts profitability for some of its accomplices over real PTY airport efficiency and growth are so intense they don't i
76 LJ : Another airline on AMS-PTY? Which one? None is foreseen for W12 (or did they mean another aircraft?) Anyway it's correct that KL will add capacity du
77 2travel2know2 : When someone from the Panamanian government makes an aviation-related comment, that comment could mean an array of different thinks. Ifo someone comm
78 CM767 : It would be fantastic, if we had KL and AF, flying the PTY-AMS and PTY-CDG. This way could have daily flights from AF-KLM to link PTY to Europe. I.e.
79 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : The way CM hub is operating, it'd probably look something like daily KL AMS-PTY and twice/thrice weekly AF PAR-PTY (either non-stop or via FDF). www.
80 SJOtoLIR : By the very beginning of this year, KL AMS-PTY announced the introduction of the 772 on a daily basis; starting on February 25th 2013. It seems that
81 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Tocumen, INC, changes bid-rules for PTY new South Terminal days before bid from www.prensa.com, in Spanish As it was expected, the government owned To
82 Post contains links viaggiare : Government tenders are rigged much more creatively here in Costa Rica.. earlier this year the state–owned oil refinery invited bids from three busi
83 Post contains images yellowtail : Well 75% is down right saintly....if you did the same survey question here in BZE (for example) i think you would find that it would be 100% I ought
84 Post contains links and images viaggiare : According to the SJO FIDS this morning 6F (Falcon Air Express?) operated flights #2008 and #2009 from/to SJU with 08:30 and 09:30 arrival and departur
85 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Are meteorological updates on that storm moving toward Honduras and Belize keeping y'all busy.. or is it the much–anticipated coverage of this eveni
86 yellowtail : Well as luck would have it ...TS Ernest is headed direct for BZE and am away. Taking no chances and they are putting up shutters for me.
87 Post contains links viaggiare : According to an article last week in prensa.com during the first half of this year SouthAm tourist arrivals in Panamá grew by 24%, outperforming the
88 viaggiare : Good call on your part considering a hurricane watch in effect for the entire coast as of 1500UTC and forecasters in Miami now saying THERE IS AN INC
89 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : It's not far the day when IB MAD-PTY 5x weekly will turn into daily operations. I'd expect more services heading to Europe once the north pier at PTY
90 avi8 : New destinations might include DFW, SFO, and BOS.
91 2travel2know2 : MSY, one airport in the North East and 1-2 airports in Florida have been after CM lately.
92 viaggiare : Down to a light drizzle and 5kt/6mph winds at 6pm local time.. MHRO 080000Z 26005KT 9999 -DZ FEW020TCU BKN070 26/23 Q1007 A2975 BZE: light rain and 7
93 2travel2know2 : There might be a 3rd.
94 avi8 : I really don't think TPA is ready to sustain such flights. They can barley maintain a weekly, seasonal flight to CUN. There really aren't strong econo
95 viaggiare : Could be.. but that doesn't seem to stop the Tampa Port Authority and the Tampa Hillsborough Economic Development Corp. (a private group formerly kno
96 yellowtail : Actually I believe TPA could sustain service and TPA has been working CM hard. USF in TPA has a lot of C. American students. As for MSY ....A PTY-SAP
97 viaggiare : And the university has acreage (through the USF Health International Foundation) in Ciudad del Saber.
98 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM most likely won't fly to SFO from www.prensa.com in Spanish UA has been talking to Panamanian Aviation authorities to add a 3rd route to PTY. UA 3r
99 SJOtoLIR : Since the merger with the former CO, UA is launching new routes to Central America from new US stations, like UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly; the first flight
100 juanchito : Traffic on SFO is alot more than MVD son more fuel consumption waiting for landing. I thinks SFO will be CM rounte with the 737MAX Juanchito
101 2travel2know2 : If UA starts SFO-PTY and CM keeps its close relation with UA, it'd be quite doubtful that UA would give-up that route to CM. It's more like re-launch
102 SJOtoLIR : Agreed. Analyzing what happened in New York York City area when the former Continental Airlines was operating the EWR-PTY segment and Copa Airlines w
103 2travel2know2 : I actually do because CM schedule to IAD and ORD is good for IAD or ORD O/D, not so good for connections at those UA hubs. Is either CM getting UA to
104 SJOtoLIR : This statement has multiple points of view: The connections heading to the US east coast and beyond can be properly attended through EWR for those pa
105 avi8 : Is the new IAD flight timed well for connections at SAL? Also, i was trying ti book a flight on KAYAK from IAH to FRS and was surprised to have no con
106 SJOtoLIR : UA 1660.....IAD 09:15.......SAL 13:01.........Daily UA 1716.....SAL 14:00......IAD 19:19..........Daily Effective: December 19th The current schedule
107 Post contains images ColAvionLover : Can anyone give(me) some more info about KL's B77W service to PTY. Exactly when will the first flight be as I'd like to go to the airport and get to k
108 yellowtail : What a lot of the FRS folks do now is UA IAH-BZE and then PM BZE-FRS....flights connect perfectly
109 SJOtoLIR : This is the last word on KL AMS-PTY: "KLM Amsterdam - Panama City MD11 service replaced by Boeing 777-200ER/-300ER. Boeing 777-300ER to operate twice
110 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Tocumen, INC will revise PTY garbage tax from www.prensa.com, in Spanish. The Panamanian Airlines association has gotten the government owned Tocumen,
111 viaggiare : US$30 for single–aisle aircraft doesn't seem all that bad.. check out that interesting viewpoint from a reader upset about mounting terminal costs
112 Post contains links viaggiare : I posted the following text elsewhere minutes after that thread was locked for good so it got deleted.. but since the content is also relevant here le
113 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : PTY North Concourse in operation without furniture From www.prensa.com in Spanish 5 months after it was finished, 8 out of 12 gates at PTY Muelle Nort
114 Post contains links viaggiare : La Nación reports a 39–year–old Costa Rican pilot who works for TACA PERÚ was arrested in New York City on suspicion of money laundering and con
115 yellowtail : Does anyone know when the official name change on TA to AV will take place?
116 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Tocumen INC to train new air-traffic controllers From www.prensa.com Panama's in need of 60 new traffic controllers due to the increase in air-traffic
117 yellowtail : THis is what I like to call a high class headache.
118 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : As early as first quarter in 2013. They already applied to the US DoT in order to discontinue the use of TACA, TACA REGIONAL, LACSA and AEROGAL desig
119 ColAvionLover : This means that the B77W Will be here on... I'd like to be very clear about this 'cuz I'm going to send a letter to get access to the airport and be
120 viaggiare : There goes "LR" -- the last remaining symbol of what has long existed only on paper.. now IATA can make the code available for reuse six months after
121 viaggiare : In other news, the Autoridad de Turismo de Panamá has agreed to extend its ongoing cooperative campaign with IB involving coordinated media advertisi
122 SJOtoLIR : This information can be easily confirmed at "amadeus.net"
123 yellowtail : Didn't see this one coming Starting Nov 17: MIA-RTB AA1523 1305 1415 Saturday B738 RTB-MIA AA1670 1520 1815 Saturday B738
124 2travel2know2 : Isn't a B737-800 a bit too big for that route? Thought AA would fly an RJ MIA-RTB twice weekly. Well if AA has decided to start MIA-RTB hope one day
125 yellowtail : Agree wit you. But they don't have much else other than the 738 to do it with.
126 SJOtoLIR : Not necessarily. UA IAH-RTB 2x weekly is served with 73G and 738. DL ATL-ATL 1x weekly is active with MD-88 TA SAL-RTB-MIA 1x weekly used to fly that
127 yellowtail : I thought it was 5X and 2X weekly respectively....but maybe I am thinking high season service.
128 SJOtoLIR : I think so. DL ATL-RTB 1x weekly plus UA IAH-RTB 2x weekly are reflecting the current status in Roatan, Honduras. Perhaps AA delayed so much the laun
129 Post contains images bjorn14 : Extra large SCUBA bags.
130 yellowtail : with the bad fees of course! and perhaps that is why AA picked it up. AV is realinging its TA ops in C. America and this looks to be a casualty. RTB
131 2travel2know2 : It might be a question of time when AV/TA may chose to drop or reduce frequencies between MGA, TGU, SAP. and its U.S destinations.
132 yellowtail : I would say that is a matter of when not if. unless they are minting money, they are probably gone during the first major route rationalization.
133 2travel2know2 : Would like to see the reactions @ MGA, SAP and TGU they day their MIA non-stops are gone.
134 yellowtail : Their non-stops won't be gone...they will still have AA which most fly anyway now. I think the reaction will be minimal
135 SJOtoLIR : It's a good point. The possible demise of TA SAL-MGA-MIA, TA SAL-TGU-MIA, TA SAL-GUA-MIA and TA SAL-SAP-MIA would benefit the dedicated flights linki
136 Post contains links viaggiare : I concur.. the parrot cartel struggled for years with a declining market share in its CentAm–Miami routes (which probably helped accelerate its dem
137 2travel2know2 : IMHO MGA-MIA O/D + Frequent Flyers may be able to support at least an A320 family (due to baggage) AV/TA daily flight, same for an AV/TA GUA-MIA. But
138 yellowtail : Not because it is viable means that they will do it. If is doesn't fit with the business plan going forward, some airlines will get rid of it even it
139 RCS763AV : How exactly is AV looking at central america? For all I know, those non-hub routes are all money minters with virtually no competition other than AA
140 yellowtail : You probably know more than me...but based on the trimming of some of those service (frequencies) recently and from what I know about those specific
141 SJOtoLIR : TA SAL-TGU-SAP-MIA split that service into TA SAL-TGU-MIA plus TA SAL-SAP-MIA some few years ago. I don't understand why TA would drop these dedicate
142 yellowtail : It USED to be lucrative when competion was limited.
143 SJOtoLIR : I respect your point of view and AA has certainly upgraded their frequencies to Miami in selected Central American stations. I should've thought the
144 2travel2know2 : PTY-LAS: Who said LAS wasn't a good destination choice for CM? That route should have started years ago. PTY-LAX: thrice daily, just unbelievable.. P
145 yellowtail : alas, I am patiently waiting on my CM friends here in BZE, seems like even my 2travel2know buddy doesn't believe in us anymore LOL
146 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Proposed schedule for Panama City - Washington Dulles: CM 304.......PTY 09:26.........IAD 14:16.........Daily........73G CM 488.......PTY 18:48.......
147 yellowtail : Well it does have a way to go to catch MCO or MIA
148 2travel2know2 : I was referring to CM in North America.. BZE and several other destinations are in my most expected wish list of CM next destinations.
149 Post contains images avi8 : The bew frequency to IAD will certainly allow a large amount of connections on both ends. Glad to see that
150 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Emergency declared at SJO on September 06th. The right engine of the Air Panama's F70 caught fire, while attempting to take off towards PTY. http://ww
151 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Last 4 of PTY Muelle Norte 12 jetways now operational From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Finally the last 4 jetways not in use @ PTY new North Concourse
152 yellowtail : I have been following DL's ATL-TGU flights closely over the last few months.....LFs have been horrible (except for Saturdays)......SAP has been doing
153 juanchito : Can you post the figures for the all Central American Cities served by Delta from Atlanta Juanchito
154 2travel2know2 : Probably DL ATL-TGU may be best to operate as weekend-only with extra flights before Xmas and after New Year.
155 aer : After 5 hrs on YYZ-SAL I must say... is TA's premium service is extremely lacking or is it just me?
156 yellowtail : It is lacking. Except that goes against the commitment they have internally. I think they might stick this one out for at least another year. Same de
157 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines will increase their frequencies in Bolivia from 7x to 11x weekly with 738: New flight: CM 244..........PTY 21:40............VVI 03:35+1.
158 2travel2know2 : Had CO flown CLO non-stop from EWR and left IAH-CLO traffic to fly via PTY another would have been the story. IMHO, UA could make EWR-CLO work, frequ
159 Post contains images yellowtail : Maybe the increase in VVI is in anticipation of starting up BZE There is a good bit of traffic between VVI and BZE....it is a"sister" mennonite commun
160 Post contains images copa330200 : It seems that 9V (Avior Venezuela) will start BLA - PTY on Sept 17 with 737-200 (12 F, 96 Y). They will fly on Monday, Wed, Friday and Sunday; schedul
161 2travel2know2 : Due to the bilateral CM can't add more frequencies to Venezuela, however, airlines from Venezuela still can to PTY. I think CM hasn't tried enough to
162 SJOtoLIR : Santa Barbara Airlines is still flying S3 CCS-PTY on a daily basis complementing CM PTY-CCS 21x weekly.
163 avi8 : I see a new frequency on DFW - GUA starting in March. Can anyone confirm?
164 juanchito : Looks like it will be only Saturdays. Starting November 17 this year. Juanchito[Edited 2012-09-16 13:17:50]
165 Post contains images avi8 : I assume they are testing if a new frequency is profitable. Hopefully it is
166 SJOtoLIR : IB MAD-SJO 7x weekly is re-timing the schedule next month as follows: IB 6313......MAD 11:40.......SJO 16:15..........Mo, Th, Fr, Su IB 6315......MAD
167 avi8 : Why would they do that? That late evening schedule is awful.
168 yellowtail : MAybe to allow for more inbound connections at MAD a few days a week.
169 2travel2know2 : I was thinking more like IB-CM code-share on MAD-SJO-MAD, since CM already is doing it with IB on MAD-PTY-MAD.
170 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-GRU goes from 21x to 28x weekly: CM 703.......PTY 18:30.......GRU 04:20+1.........Daily CM 702.......GRU 04:30......PTY 08:20..............Dail
171 Post contains links viaggiare : Nicaraguan print media is reporting CU will take delivery of six new An-158s which will be used in part to resume CentAm service.
172 2travel2know2 : OMG, 4th daily PTY-GRU !?
173 yellowtail : a 10 min turn....not likely .....they must be switching aircraft there....
174 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : From today www.prensa.com in Spanish CM studying 30 new destinations CM w/ 83 aircraft, 64 destinations in 29 countries is studying to add 30 new dest
175 Post contains links ColAvionLover : Hi All, I have some serious questions in mind regarding the fact that CM's B737s are coming out of the factory without winglets & multimedia servi
176 SHAQ : Many airlines do that (UA,etc) I think that if they do them by themselves it is cheaper that if it comes OEM.
177 2travel2know2 : My concerns are more in the likes of why CM isn't using Singapore Aerospace's Maintenance-Repair-Overhaul (MRO) facility @ Howard Airport BLB right h
178 SJOtoLIR : Of course... GRU is certainly experiencing shortage of capacity nowadays. However, three of these daily departures will occur out of the rush hours:
179 2travel2know2 : Too bad the seemingly under-performer PTY-REC can't help there. I can't see CM pulling out of the REC route, but if the route isn't meeting CM expect
180 SCL767 : The GRU-PTY schedule will be very similar to the SCL-PTY December schedule. All flights arrive into PTY within minutes of each other feeding 4 banks.
181 luisde8cd : Guys, Question... Does anybody know why Copa does maintenance, winglet and IFE installation in SJO instead of Howard? I remember that two years ago yo
182 2travel2know2 : Rumours are that something happened between CM and Singapore Aerospace M.R.O @ BLB and that M.R.O has drastically scaled down its operations.
183 mingocr83 : Man, is a lot cheaper, simple as that...the Business seats come with the AVOD system installed, the economy seats are installed here plus AVOD+Wingle
184 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-REC 4x weekly just started on June 23rd and it needs some time to consolidate that route. They aren't showing stellar results as the new CM PT
185 2travel2know2 : SSA has a catchment area like CNF, BSB, POA. Salvador de Bahía is a bigger and wealthier city than REC and it's a much known leisure destination tha
186 viaggiare : Should reach 90 aircraft next year and 94 by 2014. Anniversary was last month.. perhaps they could mark the occasion by announcing destination #65 ne
187 viaggiare : Speaking of anniversaries, next month it will be three years since the parrot cartel and Avianca announced their merger.. also next month señor Kriet
188 Post contains images yellowtail : And would the best 65th destination be BZE?
189 viaggiare : 2Q2012 figures (net income ↓22.4%.. operating profit ↓2.7%.. loads ↓2.8%.. you get the idea) and underperforming recent additions (e.g., IQT 2x
190 2travel2know2 : That figure also includes the cartel's regional aircraft? IQT was a concession to the Peruvian government in order to get the approval for an extra d
191 viaggiare : It does not.. notice I used the term airliners in reference to large passenger aircraft. That something was already delivered in the form of addition
192 2travel2know2 : If it was so, SSA will feel it has been put on hold by CM because other destinations disappointed performance.. As I wrote before, SSA is as big of a
193 yellowtail : This is where CMs lack of a bigger aircraft (739s/767/787) really start to hurt as they need to get additional frequencies instead of upguaging eqp..
194 2travel2know2 : I'd probably agree CM should get a couple of B737-900ER as their addition to its fleet could be an easy one. Don't know how desperate CM is to get a
195 Post contains links viaggiare : You think Copa will somehow go out of its way to accomodate the wishes (rush things) of those promoting Salvador da Bahia (or elsewhere) so as to not
196 Post contains images yellowtail : it adds "value to the network" ..now that one I have heard
197 andrefranca : and it's not doing good, I've seen the flights data, average 30-40 pax per day on both legs! but I believe many "stolen" US bound pax will return to
198 avi8 : Rumor has it a new airline is set to announce service to GUA. I do not have a link ir anything but my source is pretty reliable.
199 yellowtail : Major or startup? Cause there are a couple of different scenarios that I am aware with both types of "airlines" that involve GUA....neither seemed im
200 juanchito : Good question, I think it will be a major airline. Juanchito
201 2travel2know2 : If you're taking bets, my bet is Alaska from LAX.
202 yellowtail : very doubtful. My bet would be LA LIM-GUA
203 SJOtoLIR : My vote is for jetBlue in Guatemala City. . AA flies the triangular segment called MIA-SSA-REC-MIA every day. I don't think AA gets the fifth freedom
204 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The new edition is up and running: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50 (by SJOtoLIR Sep 25 2012 in Civil Aviation) Mods, please lock this old th
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