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WN Adds More FLL-BWI, NK Response?  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

This would seem to respond to NK's entry into BWI-FLL which I don't think was in a press release, but is live in their system. Ironically, NK sold their DCA slots to WN forcing the move to BWI.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/southw...-additional-flights-150000503.html

It's particularly suspicious to see a separate release for it just 2 days after their new schedule announcement.

[Edited 2012-07-11 09:46:06]

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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4384 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3537 times:
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is a knee-jerk reaction by WN. NK is slowly chipping away at their super cheap flyers(probably just a mosquito at this point considering how large Southwest is) since they have expanded out of their usual Florida/Caribbean presence in recent years. NK has added several flights out of LAS to a lot of the bread and butter WN cities, and also places like MSP-MDW. You could probably also argue they have a small but decent presence in DFW now slightly impacting DAL fares ( and a non-stop compared to a one-stop is a no brainer for many). It is rare WN adds three flights at once to a long-standing route - particularly a Florida route at the beginning of September.

HOWEVER, is it possible EWR is providing a fair amount of Florida feed for WN? Unfortunately DOT numbers are not available yet on EWR-BWI for Southwest, at least that I can find. Cool info to go over below, though on BWI-FLL:

According to flightaware (beta fare insight) in the previous 12 months on BWI-FLL:

Routing Carrier Popularity Minimum Median Maximum
non-stop Southwest 40% $53.56 $146.80 $381.93
non-stop AirTran 37% $50.23 $128.02 $535.02
via CLT US Airways 4% $51.98 $151.48 $730.01
via ATL Delta 4% $69.30 $135.37 $993.98
via ATL AirTran 3% $56.00 $131.20 $623.04
via TPA Southwest 2% $65.04 $139.95 $397.00
via MCO Southwest 1% $83.47 $127.67 $339.97
via JAX Southwest 1% $79.76 $132.04 $442.04
via PHL US Airways 1% $60.05 $136.98 $528.99


Non-stops only figured in this table:
Carrier Percentage of seats filled Total seats Passengers Average per flight
Southwest 86% 213,090 180,745 116
AirTran 77% 164,308 128,984 95

That puts Load factor (LF) for WN slightly above system average, but isn't anything amazing considering WN tends to have lower LF's on short-hauls, and higher LF's on the medium and especially long hauls (for example SAN-BWI averages 92% LF). I don't see anything amazing as far as fair yields, although a mean would be a much better to work with than a median for figuring out ticket revenue.

[Edited 2012-07-11 10:13:01]


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User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 1):
(probably just a mosquito at this point considering how large Southwest is)

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Delta didn't respond to Valujet/Airtran and allowed a hub to be set up in their front yard because those customer were chasing cheap fares.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 2):
Delta didn't respond to Valujet/Airtran and allowed a hub to be set up in their front yard because those customer were chasing cheap fares.

Valujet/Airtran didn't charge for carry-ons and otherwise nickel and dime their passengers!


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Baltimore is a fortress hub for Southwest. They will be very prepared, and ready to pounce.

The Maryland Aviation Administration likes to say that they are the low cost Airport.

I guess BA,UA, AA, US, and DL no longer count.



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User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
Valujet/Airtran didn't charge for carry-ons and otherwise nickel and dime their passengers!

AWAC, I'm talking about the early days in the mid-90's when nobody charged fees like today. Including Airtran, who still charges bag fees to their customers, despite being on a single certificate with Southwest.


User currently offlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

WN is stopping MCO-FLL does that leave NK the only one flying this route?

User currently offlineNKMCO From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Yes, NK is the only one on MCO-FLL starting January. Sad...

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7483 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

So,is WN replacing FL on this route? Remember ,FL stopped BWI-MIA last month.


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting NKMCO (Reply 7):

That sucks. I love that flight. Always wide open (probably why they're dumping it) and non revving is way better than driving.


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

These additional flights are on AirTran.


My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

We FL/WN usually pack our flights to FLL. So the more the merrier. We need to give Darth Vadir (AA) come competition with non stop flights to MIA.


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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 4):
Baltimore is a fortress hub for Southwest. They will be very prepared, and ready to pounce.

I'm not really sure that's the case, since for some routes, Southwest lets it's competitors fly the route like BWI-MSP, and the preference by residents into/out of the DC MSA is using DCA over BWI. BWI's catchment is a little different serving Baltimore MSA best and ability to pull from the eastern shore of MD, western MD maybe, Cecil, Delaware and York County, PA better than other WAS airports.

From Wilmington DE, it's faster on a train to BWI than driving to ACY, and drive to BWI is the same time as to ACY.

Anyways, I think NK will just help grow the overall market, and it will keep WN in check at BWI, like how AirTran did prior to acquisition. WN ensuring its competitiveness on BWI-FLL might hurt it's ability to keep BWI-PBI. A lot of that traffic can be funneled via ATL-PBI or nonstop access already from BOS and NYC on another carriers.

[Edited 2012-07-13 10:47:22]

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