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Is Pullmantur Air Suspending Operations?  
User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2467 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Hi to you all,

Pullmantur Air/Madrid offered scheduled flights to Cancun and Punta Cana until the 30th of October 2012- but now all flights after 16th of September 2012 are zeroed out.

http://www.pullmanturair.com/

Pullmantur Vacation holiday-packages (flight + hotel) offered for travel until the 30th of October; are now available only with "latest return flight on September 16th 2012"...

Any idea whats going on?

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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6729 times:

Doesn't look good. I just checked SBS reports for their 4x 747s and nothing has flown for nearly 24 hours now. Have they gone bankrupt?

User currently offlinespqr From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6655 times:

Pullmantur is owned by Royal Caribbean. I haven't heard anything about them pulling the plug, maybe they decided to get out of the air business and focus on cruise ships

User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Air Pullmantur is currently flying a MAD-CUN flight on EC-KQC. I know that the airline has also done some flights for Monarch out of Gatwick.

The question of no flights bookable on their website beyond 16th Sep is indeed worrying. 4 747s do seem a bit much for Air Pullmantur's 2 scheduled destinations from MAD, and they don't seem to be doing much else to warrant having them.
Either they will stop selling their own tickets from 16th Sep, or there is something else going on.


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Hajj maybe? Recent Biman tender states that Hajj (to Jeddah) starts at 1/9.


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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 1):
Doesn't look good. I just checked SBS reports for their 4x 747s and nothing has flown for nearly 24 hours now. Have they gone bankrupt?

I wouldn't go by that.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Hajj sounds like a reasonable explanation as Pullmantur has regularly had most of its B747-400s sent on Hajj charters. This might be a fairly profitable Hajj season for them as it starts too early for most European operators this year, but maybe is less of an issue for a Spanish long-haul carrier given the economic situation in Spain and more demand for long-haul flights during the winter? So that means same demand but less supply this year.


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4087 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

Pullmantur is owned by Royal Caribbean Cruiselines and the company uses the 747's to ferry cruisepassengers to their cruiseships. A month ago, 3 of their 747's came to Trondheim, Norway to do exchange of cruisepassengers between ships and aircrafts. Pullmantur came with their 3 747's on several occasions doing the same exchange this summer:

Pullmantur Air 747 400 X 3 At TRD ( Pictures ) (by Mortyman May 20 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5470247&searchid=5471126&s=Pullmantur+at+TRD#ID5471126


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10816 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 6):
Hajj sounds like a reasonable explanation

If anything thats the most likely explanation. They have been regularly leasing out two planes to Garuda for the Hadj over the last few years. And the Hadj isnt too far away. If the flight schedule has been reduced very lately, maybe some planes are being prepared for Garuda or else.


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Would be a shame to see them go if they do. I recall being at Copenhagen and having 3 come in one day. Only need one more to get the complete fleet!

User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2467 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 3):
The question of no flights bookable on their website beyond 16th Sep is indeed worrying.



On top, Pullmantur offered 99,00€ plus Tax one-way fares from MAD to the Caribbean this spring/summer. Not a good sign at all!
I tried today to call their booking-hotline in MAD to grab some 99€ plus tax tickets- but unfortunately, nobody was answering the phone- very strange! On the other hand, according to the MAD airport-webpage, all EB flights are "on time"!


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 1):
checked SBS reports for their 4x 747s and nothing has flown for nearly 24 hours now

Done a quick check and EC-KQC operated PLM4003 to CUN today (12 Jul), so they are still operating. Couldn't see any of the other aircraft flying today but I'm not sure they have a high utilisation normally.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 10):
On top, Pullmantur offered 99,00€ plus Tax one-way fares from MAD to the Caribbean this spring/summer. Not a good sign at all!

I tried today to call their booking-hotline in MAD to grab some 99€ plus tax tickets- but unfortunately, nobody was answering the phone- very strange! On the other hand, according to the MAD airport-webpage, all EB flights are "on time"!

I would not call that a bad sign.

If they operate like other cruise line focused carriers - the 99 euro fare are 'left over seats'.

i.e. They have 500 cruise ship passengers booked for a flight to a Caribbean desitnation - and 30 empty seats. Selling those for 99 euros pays the cost of supporting the non-cruise pax, and makes a little extra money.

Since the vast majority of their seats are booked through the cruise booking process, they have a very minimal staff to do the left over bookings. And until they schedule the cruise flight, they don't know how many 99 euro tickets they can sell.


User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1834 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 11):
Done a quick check and EC-KQC operated PLM4003 to CUN today (12 Jul), so they are still operating. Couldn't see any of the other aircraft flying today but I'm not sure they have a high utilisation normally.

EC-LNA is operating for Royal Air Maroc today, too.


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