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Boeing, UA announce order: 150 737's (incl 100 MAX)  
User currently offlineLuisKMIA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24279 times:

There was speculation earlier in the week, and it seems like Boeing and UA did not go out of their way to hide the fact that there will be a 737 MAX announcement.

http://yfrog.com/es8p8jxdj

Happy flying!

Luis

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User currently offlineLuisKMIA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24254 times:

And now it's official

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...-historic-737-order-140100470.html

What are your thoughts on the future of the A319/A320 in the fleet?


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24245 times:

Boeing: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2342

Looks official . Congrats UA and Boeing. Wise choice UA!

CHICAGO, July 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) announced today an order by United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) and its wholly owned subsidiary, United Air Lines, Inc., for 150 737 airplanes, including 100 of the new 737 MAX 9. United, the world's largest airline by traffic, is the latest carrier to choose the newest member of the 737 family, which today eclipsed 10,000 orders overall.

The deal, worth $14.7 billion at list prices, also includes 50 Next Generation 737-900ERs (Extended-Range).


So 100 MAX and 50 737-900ER's. Nice order.

[Edited 2012-07-12 07:13:11]

User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24156 times:
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150 instead of the expected 100, nice surprise.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24166 times:
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Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 1):
What are your thoughts on the future of the A319/A320 in the fleet?

UA is refurbishing them, so they look to be staying with the fleet for some time.


User currently offlineeagle125 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24097 times:

Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 1):
What are your thoughts on the future of the A319/A320 in the fleet?

Looks like they've decided on the MAX-9 and the 900ER so probably going nowhere fast

[Edited 2012-07-12 07:18:23]


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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23980 times:
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When are the expected delivery dates for the 737-900 ER's? Are they going to be used for aircraft replacement or for growth? I wonder why the did not order any 737-800's or the 7378 MAX considering that they have hundreds of them in the fleet.


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User currently offlineflybry From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23842 times:

Do you think United will use some of these 737s for transatlantic service? Will they be a replacement for their transatlantic 757s?

User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23843 times:
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It's worth noting that even before this order, United still had 115 737NGs on order, assuming Wikipedia is accurate. Adding this order to the total, means United now has 340 airplanes on order, including 75 widebodies.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23767 times:
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Quoting flybry (Reply 7):
Do you think United will use some of these 737s for transatlantic service? Will they be a replacement for their transatlantic 757s?

Unlikely, as the 737-9 is about 500nm short of the 757-200. However, what this will allow UA to do is retire all but their newest 757-200s, which can then be moved exclusively to TATL services.

[Edited 2012-07-12 08:09:33]

User currently offlineflyabr From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23719 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 2):
CHICAGO, July 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) announced today an order by United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) and its wholly owned subsidiary, United Air Lines, Inc., for 150 737 airplanes, including 100 of the new 737 MAX 9. United, the world's largest airline by traffic, is the latest carrier to choose the newest member of the 737 family, which today eclipsed 10,000 orders overall.

Where do these stats come from? Delta still carries more passengers per BTS stats than the combined UA/CO. What am I missing?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23644 times:

Quoting flybry (Reply 7):
Do you think United will use some of these 737s for transatlantic service? Will they be a replacement for their transatlantic 757s?

These will replace sUA 757s, wouldn't be surprised to see the 737 MAX 9 take over the PS flights.



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23504 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 8):
It's worth noting that even before this order, United still had 115 737NGs on order, assuming Wikipedia is accurate. Adding this order to the total, means United now has 340 airplanes on order, including 75 widebodies.
UA has:

25 B787-800 (no engine selected, UA order)
11 B787-800 (GE, CO order)
14 B787-900 (GE, CO order)
25 A350-900 (UA order)
100 B737-MAX9 (new order)
50 B737-900ER (new order)
38 B737-700 (ex CO order)
9 B737-900ER (ex CO order)

That totals up to 272 frames on order, out of which 75 wide-bodies, and 197 NB. Am I missing anything? Source is boeing.com's O/D site (except for the 25 A350's of course and the recent order announcement.)

[Edited 2012-07-12 08:17:37]

User currently offlineLuisKMIA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23480 times:

Here is a video release by Boeing on what the 900MAX would look like, but I think by delivery time, UA will have a different livery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jMvl52A-9rE


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3272 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23416 times:

Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 1):
What are your thoughts on the future of the A319/A320 in the fleet?

Possible benefit to G4, who in other threads here have been looking for an Airbus fleet person, a glut of A-320's and A-319's will soon be available at bargain prices and bigger carriers add MAX's and NEO's, trade in your 320's now or be shocked with trade in value later down the road, not too long from now.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23359 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Unlikely, as the 737-9 is about 500nm short of the 757-200. However, what this will allow UA to do is retire all but their oldest 757-200s, which can then be moved exclusively to TATL services.

I think you mean all but their newest, not oldest. Most of the newest 757s in the fleet are PMCO and they are all ETOPS.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23357 times:

Quoting flyabr (Reply 10):
Where do these stats come from?

Traffic may refer to RPM's. Perhaps UA is larger in that metric.

Also, as for the 319/320 fleets, this would appear to signal they are either staying around, or UA is significantly upgauging the ML fleet. The 319 is down at 120 or so seats and the 320's are around 140. Whereas UA's current 739's are at 173 seats. Not exactly a replacement order, but could be a signal toward the general direction of upsizing the domestic fleet.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23313 times:

Either way, United made a wise choice. I can't wait until Delta orders the 737 MAX.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23287 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 12):
25 B787-800 (no engine selected, UA order)

I thought UA picked the Trent for its 787s?



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User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2189 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23248 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 12):
That totals up to 284 frames on order, out of which 86 wide-bodies, and 198 NB. Am I missing anything? Source is boeing.com's O/D site (except for the 25 A350's of course and the recent order announcement.)

You are miscounting the number of 787s they have on order. they have 50: 36 787-8s (25 exUA order, 11 exCO order) and 14 787-9s (all exCO orders). Together with the 25 A350s that is 75 widebodies on order. I'll leave it to someone else to figure out the 737s.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 18):
I thought UA picked the Trent for its 787s?

They haven't officially picked an engine for the 25 exUA 787s. They did go ahead and confirm that they were getting the Trent on the A350, not that they currently had and have a choice.

[Edited 2012-07-12 08:00:04]

User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22985 times:

Quoting poLOT (Reply 19):
You are miscounting the number of 787s they have on order. they have 50: 36 787-8s (25 exUA order, 11 exCO order) and 14 787-9s (all exCO orders). Together with the 25 A350s that is 75 widebodies on order. I'll leave it to someone else to figure out the 737s.

You are correct. Sorry for the error, miread my own handwriting. I had corrected the initial post,

[Edited 2012-07-12 08:18:06]

User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22885 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 18):
I thought UA picked the Trent for its 787s?

No they have not, only for the A350's. Given that the other first 25 will all be GE powered, I would presume that GE will get the other 25 UA ordered 787's. It would not make sense to have both Trent and GE


User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22798 times:
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Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 12):

As I said, all I did was look at Wikipedia. I thought the 737 orders there seemed a little high, and apparently they are incorrect.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22603 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 18):
I thought UA picked the Trent for its 787s?

No they never announced a type for the 788's...they did order trents for the A350's which is probably what you are remembering.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 12):
UA has:

25 B787-800 (no engine selected, UA order)
22 B787-800 (GE, CO order)
14 B787-900 (GE, CO order)
25 A350-900 (UA order)
100 B737-MAX9 (new order)
50 B737-900ER (new order)
38 B737-700 (ex CO order)
9 B737-900ER (ex CO order)

That totals up to 284 frames on order, out of which 86 wide-bodies, and 198 NB. Am I missing anything? Source is boeing.com's O/D site (except for the 25 A350's of course and the recent order announcement.)

So the correct numbers should be:
Orders
25 350-900
11 787-9
36 787-8
100 737-9MAX
59 737-900ER
38 737NG (Can be converted to any NG 737 model)

Options
50 350 (Can be converted to any 350 model)
75 787 (Can be converted to any 787 model)
64 737NG (Can be converted to any NG 737 model)
42 320 Series (yes folks this is still on the books)

I think I am missing a few aircraft as UAs release says that they will have 272 new aircraft coming online as of 2022. Its also worth noting that UAs order took Boeing over the 10,000 mark for 737 sales.

Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 1):
What are your thoughts on the future of the A319/A320 in the fleet?

I don't think that this order will replace many (if any) of the 319/320 fleet...the 739 is a little to large of an aircraft and quite frankly most of the 319/320 fleet are no where near retirement age. This order should replace the older (domestic) 752s and maybe some of the older 320's....I'm hoping that some of this order is for growth as well.



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22559 times:

I wonder what routes would UA assign the new 737 MAX 9's to. My guess (for now): ORD to US West Coast at minimum, and maybe the 737 MAX 9 may have enough engine thrust to fly longer routes out of DEN, too.

25 United1 : The MAX should be able to do US transcon, ORD-West Coast, DEN-East Coast and Cali-Hawaii routes without to much trouble....they have roughly 500 mile
26 Post contains links imiakhtar : Is this the largest UA order since 1989 ? United Airlines Wednesday unveiled a $15.74 billion order for 180 Boeing narrow-body jets and options on 190
27 United1 : UA placed a $22 Billion order with Boeing for 34 777 and 30 744 (with options for 34 more 777 and 30 744) in 1990.
28 Post contains images oykie : Thanks for sharing the video. While watching I thought how would this look in the 787 livery? Probably much more up to date! Another congratulations
29 seabosdca : The p.s. refurbishment will be completed in 2013... by 2020, another move will be required. I think a few of the MAX 9s on order will indeed replace
30 odwyerpw : Really nice order. 737-900ER and A321 have always been my favorite planes. I will admit, I thought the A321NEO would eat the lunch of the 739MAX, as b
31 AVENSAB727 : Can't wait to see the 737 MAX at IAH.
32 ual777uk : Here's hoping! Anyway, a great bit of business for Boeing and UA
33 Post contains images planemaker : Keesje?? Keesje??
34 fpetrutiu : This is the correct version, without options, only firm orders 25 B787-800 (no engine selected, UA order) 11 B787-800 (GE, CO order) 14 B787-900 (GE,
35 Post contains links fpetrutiu : "The deal, announced in Chicago, the corporate home for both companies, is for 100 of the 737 MAX 9, as well as 50 of the 737-900ER extended range je
36 odwyerpw : Thanks for pointing that one out to me. I didn't read that article, though I did read a few others. If that info was included in those, then I missed
37 flyhossd : Interestingly, UA has already announced that the new/additional 50 737-900ERs will replace s-UA 757-200s. From what I recall of the merger agreement w
38 DeltaL1011man : maybe. I thought i saw on here they picked the T1000 and TrentXWB(the only choice they have) Maybe, it all the depends, I will point to Delta having
39 Stitch : Boeing's O&D site shows no engine selection for the 25 frames ordered by pm-UA
40 fun2fly : UA has 155 757's in their fleet so this order of 197 pretty much takes care of all of them, as well as the 735 retirements and a few more. For n/b a/c
41 DeltaL1011man : oh I didn't finish should say maybe. I thought i saw on here they picked the T1000 and TrentXWB(the only choice they have) guess i need to lay off th
42 KDAYflyer : Great order....the 50 737-900ER's was unexpected, but it makes sense.
43 1337Delta764 : Futhermore, I wouldn't be surprised if DL goes with the GEnx for later orders, since fuel burn estimates are showing that the GEnx has a 2% advantage
44 Post contains links and images tjwgrr : Probably this one:
45 LuisKMIA : Deliveries of the the new -900 ERs start next year, and the first MAX-9s start arriving in 2017. The deliveries to to 2022, so a nine-year plan.
46 Post contains images United1 : Anyone else notice how the gold stripe on the winglet swoops up on the MAX vs how its straight across on the current winglet...
47 ghifty : Can we expect a future order for 737 MAX 7/8?.. Yeah, I saw that too..
48 KC135TopBoom : The first B-787, a PMCO airplane is being delivered in September, and a total of 4 by the end of this year, and they have GEnx engines. It is reasona
49 Stitch : Yes, it's good to see the 737-900ER and 737-9 seeing such strong interest from multiple carriers and hopefully this will convince even other carriers
50 United1 : Probably as eventually the bulk of the 320's and 737NG will need to be replaced. Indeed...but RR/UA made a big deal about ordering the Trent with the
51 LAXintl : Yes it was announced this afternoon that 50 739ERs would be operated by the United side starting 2013 replacing 757s, so yes the United crews will tr
52 cal764 : Good eye! Could also see in the video where the lights are on the winglet as opposed to the one on display at the air show lacks any lights/identifia
53 Post contains images Schweigend : Except perhaps for their 21 753s, which will probably have at least ten or more years of life left, especially if UA uses them primarily for longer f
54 B747forever : Fantastic news! I love to see how the 737MAX gains momentum. How big is the total order for both the 737MAX and the A320NEO?
55 fun2fly : If we read Boeing's comments on the 757 replacement correctly, there are 1,050 units. 1,000 do not fly TATL. The 739max can do essentially what the 7
56 par13del : How much additional cost are we talking about, the a/c will need pilots and the pilots groups will be one by the time they arrive, and training will
57 poLOT : Probably not all that much. When replacing a fleet with a different fleet type you are going to have to train pilots regardless, unless sCO has enoug
58 DeltaL1011man : three things. 1) We all know you have a thing for GE just like you do for the 764. Whatever makes you happy but lets not let it get in the way of log
59 par13del : Well to be snippy it could also mean that they are the only ones in the USA with those rollers and thus volume discounts are not available, and since
60 1337Delta764 : You are forgetting that changing the engine on an existing order could result in some penalty. Judging by your username, you are an avid RR fan (RR w
61 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : Er sorry. I want whatever keeps my job. The only thing I don't want to see is Power by the hour. GEnx or T1000. RB211 was a cool engine and the L10 w
62 tjwgrr : I'm guessing the MAX will have LED lighting like the 787.
63 flyhossd : No, the costs of separately operating s-UA 739s and s-CO 739s will run into the millions, easily. s-CO pilots won't be allowed to fly these airplanes
64 poLOT : I realize that. I was stating that new pilots would have to be trained no matter who got the planes. That's the nature of large aircraft orders. Sepa
65 American 767 : It looks like the 737 will soon be the first jet airliner to receive a total of more than 10000 orders in history. The only aircraft that has broken t
66 Stitch : Already happened - as of last Thursday the 737 family has recorded 10,040 orders.
67 Post contains links JerseyFlyer : Yes, at Farnborough - but Boeing are apparently "giving them away".................... !! http://www.nasdaq.com/article/airbus...f-price-war--report-
68 XT6Wagon : Boy, someone's bitter that Boeing decided to discontinue the policy of limiting the production of the 737.....
69 astuteman : Funny to see that boot on the other foot. Isn't it? For a change Rgds
70 USAF336TFS : I wish we could get past all these childish "Gotcha" statements, my friends. Back to topic, forgive me if I missed this but I'm assuming that the 737-
71 EPA001 : I do not think they will have the range for that. Maybe with extra fuel tanks they could, but then you must be prepared to take a hit in the payload
72 ORDBOSEWR : Flightblogger website had a interesting video from the show that had a Boeing exec talking about the MAX specs and he said point blank that the 9ER-M
73 American 767 : The only issue I see with the 737-9 MAX for TATL missions is ETOPS approval. Because if the FAA approves it for 180 min ETOPS, I'm sure it will be abl
74 Stitch : You do not need ETOPS-180 for TATL. ETOPS-120 is sufficient for most TATL missions.
75 Ronaldo747 : According to Jon Ostrower (at Twitter) that United add 100 options for the MAX and another 60 options for the 737-900ER.
76 gigneil : They're not the same or similar type rating. NS
77 Post contains links United1 : Confirmed....UA also settled with Boeing regarding the 787 delays. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...s-boeing-787-delays-224318274.html
78 kanban : Seattle Times today also mentions 160 options.. and resolution of the 787 compensation package.
79 Hamlet69 : When the order was announced, and no options were mentioned, I thought that was intentional on UA's part - keeping the door open for the A321NEO. Wit
80 Post contains images DocLightning : Interestingly, I don't know any carrier that ordered a combo. AA talked about it, but haven't ordered the -MAX yet that I know of. Now, if you will e
81 Post contains images frigatebird : Perhaps they are waiting for real world numbers of the A321NEO with GTF engines. There are rumors P&W has up to 4% efficiency gain in reserve, bu
82 Post contains images EPA001 : That is most likely the case. So all in all this is a very good result for UA, Boeing and CFM. Especially since the B787 delays have been taken care
83 Post contains images seabosdca : There is plenty of time to figure that out. TATL 757s don't need replacement for at least a decade. And if the most optimistic predictions of GTF fue
84 Stitch : Norwegian has ordered both the A320neo and the 737 MAX. And AA has an MoU for the MAX, though they have not yet sought court approval to firm it.
85 Hamlet69 : That's a very real possibility. Well, if we want to be specific, AA hasn't ordered either yet. Airbus removed the NEO order from their books when AA
86 USAF336TFS : I couldn't agree with you more: Fair Use from
87 JerseyFlyer : It looks like that. What is the status of the outstanding UA orders / options on A320 / A319? I know no deliveries have been made for some time.
88 United1 : Still on the books but unlikely to ever be delivered.
89 tommy767 : So wait the 757 MAX only has a I agree. I think this MAX order is a waste given the range is only a little bit further than the 739ER (which we all kn
90 USAF336TFS : Well, it looks to me like the Continental crew is clearly running the new UA and it looks like they're going predominantly Boeing.[Edited 2012-07-19
91 ADent : This is also the first order for a GE engine since UA 232 by United - which was 23 years ago.
92 RDH3E : The ERJ's are going out the door either way. Ordering a 180 seat airplane has little to do with the need for a small jet, probably expands the need f
93 tommy767 : Are they? I thought it was an unresolved issue because of scope? Either way, if you can fly a MAX on a route like IAH-TUL instead of an RJ, I'm assum
94 Stitch : Per Airbus, the A321-200neo will only have about 200m on the 737-9 at nominal loads. And how many of UA's daily 757 movements need more than 1900nm o
95 tommy767 : All of Europe, winter transcons, west coast-Hawaii, Houston-South America
96 Stitch : But again, how many of UA's daily 757 movement's are those? A few score out of many hundreds? The 737-900ERs will be fine for the domestic hub-to-hub
97 tommy767 : The 737-900ER IIRC, does not fly to Hawaii anymore.
98 United1 : DEN-Hawaii is about 2900nm, US Transcon & West Coast to Hawaii is about 2250-2400nm so the Max should be able to do all of the missions that UA u
99 Stitch : The 737-9 has about 550nm range on the 737-900ER, so it can do Hawaii from San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle and Denver with no problems even with
100 tommy767 : From LA an SF, yes but they choose not too because of range issues in the past. The 739ER CANNOT do DEN-HNL under any circumstances.
101 Post contains images United1 : Exactly how I think UA will deploy them We have about 7-10 years before UA really needs to look at starting to replace the transatlantic 752 fleet. M
102 tommy767 : Which based on your point, makes sense that 739ERs aren't the best for transcons considering west coast-Hawaii is slightly shorter.
103 RDH3E : By 2020 when the bulk of these orders + options are in service most of the current RJ's will be retired. Doesn't mean there won't be a replacement of
104 United1 : They are fine for transcons (in most cases) as they don't have to contend with carrying the additional fuel required by ETOPS/Hawaii flights.
105 Stitch : I just want to clarify that when I say 737-9, I am referring to the MAX version of the 737-900 family and not the 737-900ER. So to restate - the 737-
106 LAXintl : The issues with any DEN-Hawaii is more than range. The 900 and future 9MAX have terrible runway performance especially at a hot/high airport like Denv
107 Stitch : Runway length should not be an issue (16R/34L is almost 5000m), but as I noted up-thread, wheel/tire speed could be an issue if the takeoff run is ex
108 AADC10 : It is also quite possible that TATL 757s will simply fade away. Smaller destinations will be dropped as a consequence but the inefficiency of such op
109 United1 : The latest 10-K still has them (and the A350's) on the books...UA did write off the value of the deposits some time ago and the rumor is that Airbus
110 kgaiflyer : I have no reason to doubt you. But I remember similar diatribes against the A321 even when OS proved that plane could make a nearly vertical climbs o
111 tommy767 : That's an interesting possibility. Let's be frank here, it was CO that started the wave of pushing the 757 limits on routes like EWR-TXL/ARN/CPH/FRA.
112 JAAlbert : Maybe Boeing's marketing reps and engineers really are clueless - but Boeing makes excellent planes and has been doing so for decades upon decades. I
113 tommy767 : I think they've been so invested with the 787 program for so long that the only thing they can really offer at this time is the 739ER and the MAX May
114 Post contains images bikerthai : Put down enough money and Boeing can build a 737-9 MAX with composite wings. I'm sure it would be able to replace the 757 then. Please don't ask for
115 tommy767 : If UA is willing to spend some serious dough on the MAX, I'm sure they'd pay through the nose for a 757 replacement. UA (CO) has been paying for bran
116 FriendlySkies : I think Boeing's comments last week say it clearly...of the 1050 757s built, the -9 MAX can accomplish the missions of about 1000 of them. That's a 9
117 gigneil : I don't disagree, I wanted the NEO as well. But the MAX will be far more fuel efficient and.... The average UA 757 flight is around the midwest, or D
118 par13del : Which worked successfully for the A321 when introduced as a 757 competitor.
119 Post contains images EPA001 : Of course.......... (not). They will be very close when compared to each other and the way in which they are used, with which cabin seating and on wh
120 bikerthai : It would take more airlines than just United willing to pay. But if those airlines step up, I'm sure Airbus and Boeing can build a 757 replacement fo
121 STT757 : With the US soon down to just three major legacy carriers Boeing and Airbus need interest from Asian carriers to develop a 757 replacement.
122 Stitch : Trick is, the 757 didn't end up to be very popular with Asian customers. Per Boeing's O&D page, the region only ordered 83.
123 Post contains images par13del : So far, only the USA used the range and payload capabilities of the 757, the original A321 was fine for the rest of the world. Personally I see this
124 Post contains images RDH3E : Impossible, said 321 does not exist
125 Hamlet69 : On a side note, I never did understand why the '57 wasn't supremely popular in China. I know some of the last-built frames went there (including the
126 gigneil : I was talking about vs. the 739ER and 757. Unusually wishful thinking on my part. NS
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