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Virgin America Debuts Its Banana Republic Uniforms  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 25897 times:

Bay Area companies known for their distinctive style, have teamed up to create a new line of uniforms for Virgin America’s 2,000+ front-line employees.

Slide show:
http://www.gadling.com/photos/virgin...a-uniform-updates/5149040/#5149040

New Banana Republic designed uniforms will debut on August 8th.


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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 25881 times:
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Sharp! It's good to see them tweaking the brand image and going a non-traditional route.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 25881 times:

How long will it be before Banana Republic's largest competitor, Express, dives into the airline uniform design business?

That said, this is a very good fit for VX (pun intended).



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 25758 times:

I don't like the pilots' uniform.. way to laissez faire for my taste..

User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 25542 times:

As a pilot, I can say without doubt that those pilot uniforms are disgraceful.

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 25478 times:
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Congratulations to VX for introducing new uniforms for their flight crews and they're not from Cintas!
I like the red piping.
Can someone tell me if that's brown, or black on those dresses? Brown would seem a bit odd to me.
Do they have ties for the men to wear?

A really important thing to mention here is Banana Republic is based in San Francisco, along with the Gap! It's great VX decided to go with a company based in their hometown!


User currently offlineDH8PU From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 25453 times:

I do like the FA uniforms, especially the red topper coat, it really stands out, certainly better the the usual black or navy blue.

I do have to agree, don't like the pilots uniforms, too casual and laid back.



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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 25456 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Bay Area companies known for their distinctive style, have teamed up to create a new line of uniforms for Virgin America’s 2,000+ front-line employees.

Trying so hard to play up the Bay Area image = obvious sign of a transplant.

Negative operating margins and unsustainable financial outlook = not in style among Bay Area corporate anchors unless you are HP or Yahoo.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19608 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 25409 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
I don't like the pilots' uniform.. way to laissez faire for my taste..
Quoting N757ST (Reply 4):

As a pilot, I can say without doubt that those pilot uniforms are disgraceful.

I have to agree. VX currently has their pilots wear black trousers and a black button-down shirt, no tie. I understand that VX wants to be "different," and more "relaxed/hip," but I, as a passenger don't want them to be "different" in the cockpit. Now, please understand that I'm NOT saying that VX pilots are less professional than any other airline's pilots. I'm saying that their uniform doesn't LOOK as professional. I also don't like their policy of the pilots introducing themselves by first name over the PA and seeming to avoid the terms "pilot" or "captain." It seems as if VX wants me to think that this is just another dude in the cockpit.

Look, *I* know it's fine, but to the average passenger, I think the casual attitude that VX likes cockpit crew to take might be a bit disconcerting to some less-versed customers, particularly the nervous flyers. I'm trusting my life to these people, after all.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 25246 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
I have to agree. VX currently has their pilots wear black trousers and a black button-down shirt, no tie. I understand that VX wants to be "different," and more "relaxed/hip," but I, as a passenger don't want them to be "different" in the cockpit. Now, please understand that I'm NOT saying that VX pilots are less professional than any other airline's pilots. I'm saying that their uniform doesn't LOOK as professional. I also don't like their policy of the pilots introducing themselves by first name over the PA and seeming to avoid the terms "pilot" or "captain." It seems as if VX wants me to think that this is just another dude in the cockpit.

That said, I do like it that they come out of the flight deck to give their pre-departure speech. Nice to put a face to the voice and I'd imagine it calms possible nervous fliers down a bit. I think JetBlue does the same?

I do also like that the cabin crew refer to themselves as in-flight team. Just rather like the way it sounds.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Look, *I* know it's fine, but to the average passenger, I think the casual attitude that VX likes cockpit crew to take might be a bit disconcerting to some less-versed customers, particularly the nervous flyers. I'm trusting my life to these people, after all.

On the whole I agree and you're being totally reasonable here. I think their flight deck uniform is great, but also agree that a tie would make it much better.

Per VX's old uniforms, I really like what the women wear - super simple and sleek, fits their image. I really detest what the guys wear though, I really think that a tie (possibly in the same pattern as the women's scarf) would go a long way. I don't like the black on black unbuttoned shirt combo.

I actually do like the new uniforms - the women's look is awesome, and good to see they added a dress option. The pilot's look is fine if they add a tie to it. The guys look is an upgrade from the old version, but I still think it needs a tie.



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User currently offlineVXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 25116 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
I have to agree. VX currently has their pilots wear black trousers and a black button-down shirt, no tie. I understand that VX wants to be "different," and more "relaxed/hip," but I, as a passenger don't want them to be "different" in the cockpit. Now, please understand that I'm NOT saying that VX pilots are less professional than any other airline's pilots. I'm saying that their uniform doesn't LOOK as professional. I also don't like their policy of the pilots introducing themselves by first name over the PA and seeming to avoid the terms "pilot" or "captain." It seems as if VX wants me to think that this is just another dude in the cockpit.

Look, *I* know it's fine, but to the average passenger, I think the casual attitude that VX likes cockpit crew to take might be a bit disconcerting to some less-versed customers, particularly the nervous flyers. I'm trusting my life to these people, after all.

I completely understand what your point-of-view is, but at our company we are all treated equally. It adds to the familial environment we have. And the feedback we get from our guests reflects that. They appreciate that our pilots are casual and friendly. We don't run on a hierarchy at VX. I always invite our nervous fliers into the flight deck during boarding to spend time with the pilots. It wows the guests and, most of the time, it calms them down to have a friendly chat with the pilots and learn who they are. A lot of people are nervous to fly because they don't feel like they are in control of the plane. A voice over the PA doesn't help them feel better. But being able to relate to and chat with the pilots and learn their names makes them feel much more comfortable.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 5):
Congratulations to VX for introducing new uniforms for their flight crews and they're not from Cintas!
I like the red piping.
Can someone tell me if that's brown, or black on those dresses? Brown would seem a bit odd to me.
Do they have ties for the men to wear?

A really important thing to mention here is Banana Republic is based in San Francisco, along with the Gap! It's great VX decided to go with a company based in their hometown!

Thanks for your compliments! We are really excited. After the unpleasantness of the union's attempt to get involved with us last year, and some not-so-exciting financial results, we are really looking forward to the nice morale boost these uniforms are going to provide us. I know it's just clothes, but it feels so much better going to work when you look good. We're all excited to take to the skies on August 8! And I know our guests will respond very favorably. We did the fittings for these from Jan - Apr this year and it was such a tease not to get them until August! To answer your question, there is no brown. It is all based off of a charcoal - steele color palette.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 24961 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 10):
I completely understand what your point-of-view is, but at our company we are all treated equally. It adds to the familial environment we have. And the feedback we get from our guests reflects that. They appreciate that our pilots are casual and friendly. We don't run on a hierarchy at VX. I always invite our nervous fliers into the flight deck during boarding to spend time with the pilots. It wows the guests and, most of the time, it calms them down to have a friendly chat with the pilots and learn who they are. A lot of people are nervous to fly because they don't feel like they are in control of the plane. A voice over the PA doesn't help them feel better. But being able to relate to and chat with the pilots and learn their names makes them feel much more comfortable.

And that is all very nice but what does that have to do with their uniforms? Pilots can be friendly and show passengers the cockpit and still wear some uniforms that symbolize authority..

Today I saw a Lufthansa crew and wow their uniforms are just perfect IMO.. you have a lot of respect for the pilots the second you see them. The way it should be I think   my own uniform is not nearly as nice as theirs.


User currently offlineVXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 24849 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 11):
And that is all very nice but what does that have to do with their uniforms? Pilots can be friendly and show passengers the cockpit and still wear some uniforms that symbolize authority..

You're missing my point. We're not trying to show authority at VX. We work as a team. And our teammates and guests appreciate that =)


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 24802 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 12):
You're missing my point. We're not trying to show authority at VX. We work as a team. And our teammates and guests appreciate that =)

I am not missing your point. I just disagree with that philosophy. I work as a team with our cabin crew members as well and they are also treated equally but I do appreciate a uniform that makes me stand out just a tiny bit.

[Edited 2012-07-12 12:09:52]

User currently offlineVXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 24674 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):
I am not missing your point. I just disagree with that philosophy. I work as a team with our cabin crew members as well and they are also treated equally but I do appreciate a uniform that makes me stand out just a tiny bit.

And I totally agree with most of your points. I'm not disputing that with you. It would look very weird to me if LH, BA, AF, or pilots for most airlines had the same type of uniforms as cabin crew (especially if the cabin crew had casual uniforms like we do). I think there is something very distinguished about pilots looking "official". But it wouldn't fit well with our culture at VX. That's all I'm saying. We're talking about VX. Our pilots want the casual look and our guests expect it. We're a very close team - we all hang out on layovers, we all have teambuilding training together - and the uniforms and "uniform" of the style emphasizes our culture. It works well for us.

Now if you want to talk about other airlines, I completely agree with you  


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 24437 times:
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Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 14):
we all have teambuilding training together

It would be nice if some other airlines engaged in this sort of training here in the U.S.

Go VX!


User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 24432 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
I don't like the pilots' uniform.. way to laissez faire for my taste..

I agree ... After I read your post I had to go back and look at the pics again because I thought the pilot was a flight attendant the first time through! I wonder how often VX pilots will be asked to fetch drinks.

[Edited 2012-07-12 12:54:34]

But VX pilots seem to be required to be "accessible." On a recent LAS-SFO flight we were held in LAS for several hours due to SFO fog, and the pilots hung around at the gate and conducted a trivia contest for the passengers, with free drinks awarded to winners.


[Edited 2012-07-12 12:57:40]

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9345 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 24376 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 12):
You're missing my point. We're not trying to show authority at VX. We work as a team. And our teammates and guests appreciate that =)

I'm totally with you and I think it's great. I don't care what the pilots wear - they can show up in their pajamas for all I care.

What they wear or don't wear has nothing on what they are capable of doing or not doing. Where I work, I'm surrounded by people in suits and ties, numerous folks on my team and those who report to me show up that way and hell, many of them wear make up (we have a full make up/style department here -- hell, they're cutting my hair here in about 10 minutes) ... yet, every day I wear casual jeans, colorful tennis shoes, and *most* of the time a button down shirt and often a fancy skinny tie. You should see me on Fridays. Never am I questioned at my job or of my authority I can exert because of how I dress.

Go Virgin.



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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 24248 times:

I've found that Banana Republic clothing looks great if you're young and in great shape - just like these models.

When you're older and a little softer, their cuts and styles are not flattering or comfortable.

I'll be looking forward to seeing a 45 yr old pilot, a little paunchy around the waist, struggling to keep his shirt tucked in as he drags his flight bag between gates.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 24050 times:

I just assumed in the photos that the male was a Flight Attendant, not a pilot, but now I see the epaulets with stripes. I don't think the new uniform shows much distinction between the male FA and the male pilot...and if that is the corporate philosophy and goal then they've succeeded. What do the female pilots wear? You'd think they'd have been included in the shoot.

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23960 times:

What happened with glamour and elegance of the old days? These days airlines are turning into flying buses and their employees are to wear cheap chic uniforms made in China.

User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1990 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23938 times:

I don't get the complaints on pilot uniforms. Ever seen military flight suits? Most comfortable thing for aircrew to wear and exceptionally functional. If you see a guy or gal wearing one, do you feel less confident because they don't have a tie on?

I'd venture to say the average person doesn't give a hoot about what the pilots wear. They just care about the pilots flying the aircraft from point A to point B safely and expeditiously.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19608 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23860 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 10):
I completely understand what your point-of-view is, but at our company we are all treated equally. It adds to the familial environment we have. And the feedback we get from our guests reflects that. They appreciate that our pilots are casual and friendly. We don't run on a hierarchy at VX. I always invite our nervous fliers into the flight deck during boarding to spend time with the pilots. It wows the guests and, most of the time, it calms them down to have a friendly chat with the pilots and learn who they are. A lot of people are nervous to fly because they don't feel like they are in control of the plane. A voice over the PA doesn't help them feel better. But being able to relate to and chat with the pilots and learn their names makes them feel much more comfortable.

This harks back to the same argument over whether doctors should wear ties and white coats. In the end, some patients like it one way and some patients like it the other way.


User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23864 times:

The way those uniforms are cut, it looks like you can't work for VX if you're a fattie (or even just a little soft).

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23454 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 9):
That said, I do like it that they come out of the flight deck to give their pre-departure speech. Nice to put a face to the voice and I'd imagine it calms possible nervous fliers down a bit. I think JetBlue does the same?

I always like that the pilots are in the cockpit, working. Makes me feel like they are focused on flying. I really don't need them to introduce themselves, tell me the weather, update during flight. The F/As can do that.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):
I am not missing your point. I just disagree with that philosophy.

I love this quote. It's so common these days that if you don't agree with a POV, you are "missing the point" of it, because, it's obviously right and the only way you couldn't see that is if you didn't understand the point.



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25 ghifty : While I personally prefer the more formal and distinguished look for the pilot, I can definitely understand what VX is going for here. In my mind, the
26 Post contains links sq_ek_freak : More photos over at the Huff Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melani...a-rep_b_1662787.html#slide=1209942 They have a lambskin jacket as part of th
27 RyanairGuru : I agree entirely. Call me old fashioned, but I feel that male employees should wear ties (pilots and fa/csa). And wearing a tie doesn't of itself giv
28 rikkus67 : Hey VX... Coming from Canada, and having more Eurpean influence in our fashion, I have to agree with you 100%. I am 45, have travelled extensively on
29 ROSWELL41 : Frankly, the management at VX just wants their pilots to feel no different than the FA or the ramper. This is a technique designed to get them to acce
30 spacecadet : I was thinking something similar when I saw these photos. Of course everyone always photographs new uniforms (or any kind of clothing) on attractive
31 usflyer msp : I don't like the new uniform. Too casual and slim fitting. It will look terrible on a typical (i.e. somewhat overweight) US worker.
32 ual777 : ding ding ding! You win the prize. That pilot uniform is ugly. Give it a tie and some brass.
33 mcdu : Those pilot uniforms are a disgrace to the profession. Much like the "were all equals" spiel you keep broadcasting. The hard facts are the Captain nee
34 DeltaMD90 : Flight attendant ones look ok but the pilots look unprofessional. I hear they're trying to have a team environment or whatever, but the captain IS the
35 LAXintl : Maybe I have lived in the air freight world too long, but I could care less what a pilot wears. Personally I'd opt for comfort, instead of a zoot suit
36 MaverickM11 : What's wrong with the current uniforms? Are they getting the new ones free from BR?
37 Braniff747SP : For cabin crew, it looks great--hip, clean, nice. For pilots, however, I like it the old school way. Caps with scrambled eggs, suit, tie, the whole th
38 type-rated : I have found that anytime you deviate from the standard issue pilots uniform, the pilots aren't going to like it. It's like they have earned the right
39 Post contains images flyfitch : Looks like you two are having bad days wah wahh. I love how this thread goes from talking about the new VX uniforms, to wishing the demise of VX, and
40 Squid : Well I guess i'm differen't because I don't like them at all. Those male uniforms and pilots uniforms are terrible, and there just doesn't seem to be
41 DeltaMD90 : Hahaha actually I can kinda see what you mean... Honestly I didn't even see the pilot when I first looked at the pictures, I thought it was another F
42 nws2002 : I've worked as a FA at both a regional carrier (DH) and now a mainline carrier (CO/UA) and at both I've always called the pilots by their first names
43 Post contains images Braybuddy : There are PILOTS' uniforms in that series of pics? The Gay Men's Health Project in Dublin has a (I presume deliberately) casual attitude to dress, wh
44 falkerker : Couldn't agree more. Like them, dislike them, to each his own but comparing them (or even mentioning) nazi douchebags is a big no-no for me, they did
45 EASTERN747 : One word...Boring".....As said in one comment, there are very few model F/A's and Cockpit crew.We normal people in shape and size would look ridicules
46 flyiguy : This makes me laugh...It's VX saying " Hey, we haven't made a penny in profit yet so lets spend more money to prove it " Fly
47 DeltaMD90 : No one is comparing them to genocide, but the Nazis were known for having dark looking uniforms. Difference is that the Nazis did have some cool look
48 Roseflyer : The male flight attendant uniform does not look like a flight attendant uniform to me. It looks like any other banana republic shirt and pants. Apart
49 N766UA : LOL I like how you say "comparing the company to" as if such a thing as a nazi hipster douchebag actually existed. Get a clue, guy.
50 N766UA : I am. I literally am saying that these new uniforms are AS BAD as the holocaust. Of course I'm not, jesus some of you people are obtuse. Hey speaking
51 Post contains images type-rated : Well, would you all rather have them dress as Hooters Girls?
52 TeamInTheSky : The FA's uniforms are attractive but are by no means groundbreaking. Lacriox's AF still is my preference. But I tend to agree on the captains uniform.
53 Post contains images N766UA : Ya know, I was perfectly happy forgetting such a concept ever existed…
54 ikramerica : A. They HAVE earned the right. B. It's important to be a clear symbol of authority in times of crisis. In an emergency, you want the ignorant passeng
55 VXCabinCrew : We all decided on what uniform concept to go with for ourselves. We have uniform commitees that spent over a year finding a designer, picking pieces
56 SkyPriorityDTW : The VX culture is fantastic! It harbors a "true" team atmosphere and motivates team members to be the best they can be. This uniform signifies that. I
57 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I know what you mean and yes it is good to have everyone working in the team as a team, however there will always be authority on an aircraft. The Ca
58 HiFlyerAS : Of course....we call them by their first name in most instances. But if someone wishes to pop into the cockpit during boarding I'd likely say "Captai
59 luv2fly : Let me ask this were these actual VX employees in this photo shoot?
60 EASTERN747 : Ever since I became involved in the industry, there has also been alot of feedback about uniform changes. I remember we went from blue suits and white
61 VXCabinCrew : Yes, they are all actual cabin crew and pilots
62 ikramerica : No, ever see the monorail pilot uniforms? THOSE are silly. I don't think pilots need to dress so formally they could pass for leaders of the Church o
63 gigneil : Most pilots look like hell in their current uniforms. They're ill fitting, poorly pressed, and make them look forced. I want them to fly me where I'm
64 HiFlyerAS : Bright yellow and blue, right? I love the Disney monorail!! Let's face it....it's pretty hard to find a uniform that everyone likes and is flattering
65 commavia : I agree with many others - the pilot uniform looks ridiculous. I must say - having flown Virgin America several times - that while it is a good (if no
66 luv2fly : They really don't grab me personally. Stretch fabric have a tend to snag and run so that will be a problem. Also they are trying to look hip and cool
67 BMI727 : It doesn't look bad, just not like a pilot's uniform. There are plenty of ways to look distinctive and still like a pilot. That's nice and all, but t
68 jetMARC : I feel these may be a little too Banana Republic. I sold sweaters just like the gray zip-up with arm stripes at The Gap in 1997. I also feel that most
69 flyfitch : Way to back track. You said it, I just repeated you. If you didn't want someone to take you literally, then why did you post it? How do you know that
70 Post contains images N766UA : I would say "please tell me you're joking," but it's pretty obvious you don't 'do' that.
71 jetblast : When you're burning $76 million a quarter what's another million for uniforms? Pilot's uniform looks ridiculous. The older, more 'portly' pilots will
72 laca773 : You're welcome! I don't see anything wrong with the uniforms, though the Men's could be given a little excitement. I'd like to see the sweaters and v
73 C680 : Say what you want about the uniforms - it really doesn't matter. Everyone in my office takes VX transcon as their first choice. These are guys who can
74 commavia : Times change, but some things remain timeless. These uniforms are not timeless. In fact, while they may be ostensibly brand new, they actually alread
75 laca773 : If you don't like how they present themselves, commavia, you don't have to give them your business. The same can be said for the likes of WN, B6....
76 commavia : That's self-evident. The opinion myself and others are expressing about some of these uniform designs are obviously separate from the discussion of w
77 futureualpilot : I'll echo the sentiment that the pilots uniforms are crap. There is a lot to be said for building a team atmosphere, and good CRM between pilots and F
78 Post contains links VXCabinCrew : Thanks for your compliments! There are sweaters for us guys. Here's the link where you can see it. We voted no on ties. I think ties are sharp - I lo
79 CuriousFlyer : Frankly, these uniforms, though nice, are not exactly bold, or different. Ok they are not blue. Overall I like them. I like the change. But it is a sm
80 idphilli : I personally don't like the new pilot uniforms. I don't know if it's just me, but with the exception of the slight difference in pant color and the al
81 AMWRACRH : Well I figured some thread would draw me out to get a membership and post an opinion. I am a pilot with Virgin America, so hopefully I can provide a l
82 bioyuki : I think all the uniforms look great and props to VX for working with another Bay Area company (Gap) on the uniforms. Also, I find it hilariously amusi
83 HiFlyerAS : After a second, closer look I think these uniforms are going to look terrible on anyone other than a waif. They appear to contain some sort of stretch
84 Post contains images VXCabinCrew : That's why we've been starving ourselves since we got fitted for the uniforms in February! lol I've never eaten so healthy and worked out as much in
85 rwessel : They are the same company, after all (along with Old Navy, and some others).
86 DocLightning : I like everything else about VX. I have a right to have that opinion without boycotting them. In fact, they are my preferred airline when they fly wh
87 AMWRACRH : "Also, I find it hilariously amusing reading all the disgusted/disdainful comments from the pilots about the pilot's uniform...the amount of ego in h
88 aeroblogger : I thought the pilot uniform was the male FA uniform at first.. Had to go back and look at the pictures again before I realized that it was the pilot's
89 SEA : I think the new uniforms look good and I can see how they fit in with Virgin America's image as a brand. The only place that they don't fit in is with
90 slinky09 : Great sharp uniforms. Shame about the negative comments, perhaps the dodos are really here.
91 Post contains images bioyuki : You're entitled to your own opinion of what a pilot should look like, but at the end of the day, you're flying somebody else's airplane, so you'll we
92 Post contains images virgincrew : Well I LOVE THE UNIFORM - Another great uniform, from another great Virgin Airline !!! Thanks VXCabinCrew
93 AirPacific747 : And at the end of the day, none of us said we would refuse to wear it if requested to do so, but I just don't think this uniform stands out enough. I
94 Post contains images virgincrew : I personally think The Virgin Group of Airlines uniforms are amongst the best in the aviation industry ....
95 Post contains images virgincrew : Even in the past Virgin have delivered great uniforms ..... [Edited 2012-07-13 02:34:42]
96 babybus : There should be a version for Muslim ladies to wear. They can't be showing their legs off like that. Apart from the pilot uniform I think the rest loo
97 usdcaguy : The skinny little red belt reminds me so much of the early 80's. I swear I remember seeing something similar on an AA uniform from that period. Meanwh
98 Post contains images cbphoto : They are not that different from the current uniforms they wear now! Just because it is not traditional, does not mean it is not professional. Frankl
99 flybyguy : Excellent uniforms. I think they reflect the fun and youthful culture of VX. I find the only problem with the VX uniforms is that they may not look al
100 vgnatl747 : Random question, but what is the uniform pay policy at VX? When I was with Comair (years ago), we had the option to payroll deduct our uniforms and ha
101 jetMARC : Many of the article keeps mentioning functionality but I'm not sure I'm seeing it. Doesn't appear the women's dresses have pockets (other than the bre
102 ytz : You must have great CRM relationships with the rest of your crew.... Please let us know what airline you work for so we can avoid aircrews where pilo
103 ytz : If it's that revolting to pilots (and I suspect most don't really care), they'll end up paying more to attract pilots. Simple as that. IMHO it's ridi
104 AirPacific747 : Tell that to all the people who wear a uniform as part of their profession or to the CEO of a large company creating thousands of jobs. Next thing wi
105 falkerker : I'm a Neurosurgeon and I find it amusing that people brag about what they do. I could go on for hours about my responsabilities but at the end of the
106 AirPacific747 : Hopefully you don't wear casual clothes when at work?
107 ytz : Bingo.
108 falkerker : I wear scrubs most of the time, and when in clinics I wear slacks and shirt. Furthermore, I encourage my interns and residents to wear slacks and shi
109 ytz : Uggh. You didn't understand my comment. Does the CEO need a uniform to do his job? And would you consider a CEO who needs to yell and scream to motiv
110 jetMARC : The only thing I can add, and I hope I don't get flamed for this, is that a uniform is also supposed to add a sense of authority and serve to identify
111 falkerker : Couldn´t agree more. Some of these guys may need a bigger flight deck to fit their ego.
112 ytz : By the way, as a matter of interest in this uniform/authority discussion. When in the field, the military drops virtually all rank formality. Aircrews
113 jmbweeboy : These new uniforms are sharp indeed! But the bodybuilder/women's figure judge in me is coming and out and saying will they look as great when the guy
114 ytz : Like I said earlier. Identification. That's why police officers wear a uniform. A pilot should stand out from the rest of the crew. Yes. But he/she s
115 falkerker : I agree they probably won´t look as good as they look in these pictures (nothing looks as good as it does on advertising, be it Mcdonalds or an airl
116 ytz : I actually agree with this. My RCAF dress uniform is a little slim fitting. And when I've gotten slack on gym attendance, I'll feel it in a few weeks
117 AirPacific747 : Likewise. Maybe he doesn't need it, but it's about the signal that it sends. There's a reason why Air Force One always looks as if it rolled out of t
118 Post contains images sq_ek_freak : I've probably flown Virgin 10 or so times in the past few years, so by no means am I a frequent flier with them. But I do have to say that they are b
119 joepatroniyx : Perhaps VX should concentrate on having a profitable quarter rather than worrying about uniforms and giving itself a five year present, otherwise they
120 jetMARC : I understand everything you're saying, but there is a significant difference between combat and flying on an airline. When you're in the middle of co
121 Post contains images MaverickM11 : 120 replies on a uniform (really, no one cares--I mean not a single passenger is going to change their purchase because of whatever they're wearing),
122 AirPacific747 : The thread is about their uniforms, not their profits or lack thereof. Don't derail the thread now, please.
123 mcdu : How does this uniform elevate someone? Will this look be adopted by the real Virgin..Atlantic? I highly suspect that the UK group would have some ser
124 ytz : I'd say being knowledgeable about the subject matter at hand, being confident in your direction and being presentable (by that I mean being properly
125 falkerker : No offense but many of the topics discussed here are of no interest to the general public, just to us aviation enthusiasts. The average Joe won´t ca
126 jetMARC : First off, no need for name calling. Second, its neither ridiculous nor sexist. These photos speak for themselves with short hems, plunging neck line
127 Post contains links ytz : Plunging neck lines? Really? You call that a plunging neck line? Are there any women in your workplace? I would consider these outfits on par with cu
128 ikramerica : Why? Because they get great product at below market costs. If they had to pay enough for VX to turn a profit, would they still do it? Maybe, but VX d
129 flashmeister : For the guys... they look like UPS uniforms. Is that guy trying to deliver an overnight package, fly the plane, serve the drinks, or all of the above?
130 AirPacific747 : It all matters. Not just the uniform, not just being confident in your direction, etc.
131 Post contains images ikramerica : But you are defining presentable and so are those arguing the case against the pilot unis. They feel that dressing like a waiter (head waiter with br
132 C680 : Completely agree with you. That's exactly why rational long term investors do not buy airline stocks: they are horrible investments (with a few notab
133 Post contains images falkerker : I think that is their purpose!! Then I shall grab a nice amount of fire extinguishers since I completely agree with you.
134 flashmeister : Hardly reliable in my experience. Plenty of attractive people out there who act like total jackasses.
135 virgincrew : Being a VS crew member, I can comment that Virgin Atlantic is a totally different airline model / product... as you say it is a worldwide airline tha
136 multimark : I find it amusing that s many posters cling to the old militaristic idea of a pilot. Maybe that had more relevance after WWII when pilots were recruit
137 bioyuki : Translation: "Look at me, I'm special, please let me show off how cool my job is!" LOL I see what an uphill battle it was to implement CRM now with s
138 DeltaMD90 : I didn't notice a pilot first time I looked at the pictures. I mistook him as the male F/A just like many others on this thread...
139 AirPacific747 : Yes?
140 BigMac : Are you sure you're a real aviation enthusiast? Can you easily distinguish a 772 from a 773? If so, how can you not distinguish the pilots uniform (w
141 mcdu : That is petty to think the poster is not an enthusiast for not recognizing the pilot uniform. They are featured along side a FA and those epaulets ar
142 BigMac : I'm sorry, but as an aviation enthusiast you should have noticed the "4 gold" stripes on the pilots uniform. They are clearly there and visible... An
143 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Oh no, I'm not a real aviation enthusiast! I didn't recognize a guy in a gray shirt to be a pilot! Doh, all pilots wear a gray shirt! Should've seen
144 virgincrew : That's a very offensive comment ! If I worked for VX as a member of flight crew, I would be very offended by your comments. Who are you to make such
145 LAXintl : I think many here are missing the point of what VX intentions are with this uniform. They are trying to portray an image of their company to the publi
146 Post contains images virgincrew : I would love to see a further re-brand with changes to aircraft livery and logo. I think there should be a more unified brand identity within the Virg
147 VXCabinCrew : Exactly! Thanks LAXintl. We get looks and comments from other airline employees at various airports all the time. Some bad - like when we were at ORD
148 ATTart : Thank you, thank you!! I love the look of them!!
149 Post contains images virgincrew : VXCabinCrew ..... It's always the same when any thread is started that involves a Virgin Branded airline !!!
150 PlanesNTrains : Yes, because all the other airlines of the industry have been darlings. Whatevrz. I tend to agree. Well said. It's quite possible to not respect the
151 Post contains links and images LAXintl : Press release out today announcing the uniforms. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/virgin...na-republic-fashion-120500423.html Here is a video of behind t
152 MaverickM11 : You don't find it the least bit odd that they're losing more money than any other airline and they're making a big splash about crew uniforms? If thi
153 GT4EZY : To me, the Captain is the Captain, he has authority.....................regardless of what he is wearing. Some people will prefer the formal look, oth
154 LAXintl : Branding is a key component of a company, and something Virgin companies especially are very focused on. So to me, a uniform is part of the greater ma
155 FI642 : A friend who flies for Virgin said to me "The uniforms are free, and they pay me to fly. I don't really care what I look like in it." Great answer!
156 sq_ek_freak : Just got off a couple of VX flights and chatted with the crew on both sectors - on the outbound JFK-LAX chatted with 2 out of the 3, and both were ext
157 HAL : I understand the corporate philosophy that keeps all employees equal. At many jobs I think that is a good idea. However for an airline crew, that is
158 tugger : Excuse me but how does a uniform make a pilot "unprofessional"? A pilot is professional in his actions and in methods, yes dress can contribute but o
159 HAL : I didn't mention the uniform at all in my post. I was talking about the corporate culture at Virgin America where, according to VXCabinCrew, everyone
160 bestwestern : lets make a new uniform. You do - the capt. is in charge.. What about the passengers?
161 Post contains images VXCabinCrew : We don't have passengers at VX. We have guests. One of the many reasons why we're different than the other airlines
162 VXCabinCrew : I think my initial comments were misunderstood. I never meant to imply that we don't have a chain-of-command at VX. Of course, we do. Ultimately, the
163 tonystan : Happened to notice a First Officer going through security in the new uniform in SFO last night....now I know its open to a lot of criticism but I actu
164 DeltaMD90 : I think these kind of comments are the snotty, insulting comments. I don't think ANYONE in this thread suggested that the pilots need the traditional
165 VXCabinCrew : When did I say anything about self esteem?? I am saying that some people apparently need a uniform to speak for them, while their skills and ability
166 sq_ek_freak : I believe Etihad uses the term "guests" for their passengers as well.
167 VXCabinCrew : Oh, and sorry to associate one of my above posts to "bestwestern". It should've been attributed to "HAL". That's what happens when I try to contribute
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