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SAS Scandinavian Considering Oslo/Stavanger-IAH  
User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Looks like IAH just might be getting SAS Scandinavian early next year as part of its expansion into the US. With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online, IAH needs to start thinking about terminal space with all these new and rumored services converging on Houston's international Star Alliance network at Term-D. Not to mention DL's interest in also relocating to D to be close to its Skyteam partners KL & AF.

SAS also plans to add a second non-stop route between Copenhagen and New York (Newark) from April 1 and may start running flights to Houston. Is considering non-stop service from either Oslo or Stavanger to Houston, a frequent destination for those working in the oil industry.

“The oil industry is generating strong traffic, and since Norway is an oil nation, it wouldn’t be unnatural to simplify the trip between our two markets,” Roald told Aftenposten. He said the “market will decide” whether a new non-stop route to Houston would run from Oslo or Stavanger, the main base for offshore oil operations in the North Sea.


http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/07/...airlines-face-off-with-new-routes/

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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Looks like IAH just might be getting SAS Scandinavian early next year as part of its expansion into the US. With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online,

I haven't heard the rumors of TAM flying to IAH. I think NZ is a strong strong candidate in lieu of all that has been happening.

Now SAS to IAH...hmm this could work if they are able to garner some hefty oil contracts in addition to Star feed.



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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10026 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 1):
I haven't heard the rumors of TAM flying to IAH

Meant to say TACA, not TAM...sorry.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 1):
Now SAS to IAH...hmm this could work if they are able to garner some hefty oil contracts in addition to Star feed.

Feeling confident this could indeed work with regard to contracts as most Oil/Gas as well as EPC companies here in Houston have ties back to Norway to include Conoco/Phillips, BP, GE, Shell, Exxon, etc. Then you have to throw in the Norwegian companies with offices here in the gulf coast region regarding Norway's Statoil Co. (Houston & Austin) , Stolt Nielson (Ocean Freight - Bulk Fluid Container shipper based out of Houston Ship Channel) as well as Aker Kraevner & Aker Solutions (EPC - Oil Rig Design & Manufacturing).


User currently onlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3683 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

I would also love to see a SK IAH-OSL route. Maybe they could do a 4x/5x weekly flight that could mimic KL's previous Privatair IAH-AMS flight. This gives them a full-days work at the Houston office and arrive into OSL early morning. Also, an early evening flight would alleviate a crowded D terminal. At that time AM, the 2nd BA flight, and the new TK flight will be the only ones at D. Maybe NZ, SK, and SN would add to that night bank of flights from D.


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9871 times:

If this happens, I would guess that KLM stands to lose the most. Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):

Yes, but not sure this would be more than a 3X-4X times per week niche run at best as SK only has 11 long range airships to work with. Think its 4 A333's and 7 A343's for long haul flights worldwide if not mistaken. That long haul list includes Beijing, Shanghai, NRT, ORD, Newark (2X), IAD, SFO (next year) so far right now which is significantly paired down from before the global recession. Not sure if their are other routes within the network requiring the larger lift capacity.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1270 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

Well Stavanger or Oslo would surprise me.
Lets remember that the oilcapital of Europe is Aberdeen and they dont have any connection to Houston. And Aberdeen is a fair bit bigger as an oildestinations compared to Stavanger.
The only thing I could see flown on such a route is a leased Private air 737-320 or similar.

Aberdeen sees alot more flights, among them is another oildestination such as Baku.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9770 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
With SQ, LH, TAM, TK, and now possibly NZ coming online, IAH needs to start thinking about terminal space with all these new and rumored services converging on Houston's international Star Alliance network at Term-D.

Easy solution... Just add a few more international gates at HOU for WN, and watch the space open up  



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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 7):
Easy solution... Just add a few more international gates at HOU for WN, and watch the space open up

    
Yup. Someone's been paying attention...



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):
If this happens, I would guess that KLM stands to lose the most. Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.

I would guess BA, they take a large number of pax from the IAH flights through LHR to Norway (and Aberdeen...)



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9616 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 3):
I would also love to see a SK IAH-OSL route. Maybe they could do a 4x/5x weekly flight that could mimic KL's previous Privatair IAH-AMS flight.
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 5):
Yes, but not sure this would be more than a 3X-4X times per week niche run at best as SK only has 11 long range airships to work with. Think its 4 A333's and 7 A343's for long haul flights worldwide if not mistaken. That long haul list includes Beijing, Shanghai, NRT, ORD, Newark (2X), IAD, SFO (next year) so far right now which is significantly paired down from before the global recession. Not sure if their are other routes within the network requiring the larger lift capacity.

First of all I don't think we see SVG/OSL-IAH startet. But if we do, I'm rather sure we'll see a some sort of Privatair flights as aznmadsci suggest, and not any of SAS' own widebodies on the route


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9607 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):
Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 9):
I would guess BA, they take a large number of pax from the IAH flights through LHR to Norway (and Aberdeen...)

They sure do! London first then a short hop over to Stavanger, Norway. I think most oil companies use BA and UA (formerly CO).


User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

SAS will never open OSL/SVG-IAH. This is all just PR talk from a new Market and Sales Director in SAS trying to get goodwill in the Norwegian market, and being scared of what Norwegian IC will do to SAS limited IC network primarily focused around CPH. SAS does not have the right plane for this route either.

However UA was close opening a IAH route from Norway, but sadly it did not happen.

The best would be if SQ opened SIN-OSL-IAH. In that way the oil, offshore and shipping industry would get a highly needed option both east and west in addition to incoming and outgoing tourism. And Norwegian seafood in the belly.

But that day will never come as long as SAS refuse to feed at OSL.


User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9455 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 2):
Feeling confident this could indeed work with regard to contracts as most Oil/Gas as well as EPC companies here in Houston have ties back to Norway to include Conoco/Phillips, BP, GE, Shell, Exxon, etc. Then you have to throw in the Norwegian companies with offices here in the gulf coast region regarding Norway's Statoil Co. (Houston & Austin) , Stolt Nielson (Ocean Freight - Bulk Fluid Container shipper based out of Houston Ship Channel) as well as Aker Kraevner & Aker Solutions (EPC - Oil Rig Design & Manufacturing).

FYI - Aker Kvaerner was renamed to become Aker Solutions. As you say there are a lot of ties between the two cities, but add in a connection to Aberdeen and you have a whole lot more...

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
Well Stavanger or Oslo would surprise me.
Lets remember that the oilcapital of Europe is Aberdeen and they dont have any connection to Houston. And Aberdeen is a fair bit bigger as an oildestinations compared to Stavanger.
The only thing I could see flown on such a route is a leased Private air 737-320 or similar.

Aberdeen sees alot more flights, among them is another oildestination such as Baku.

The runway at Aberdeen is too short to support direct flights to IAH, even after the recent expansion. There is a huge demand from Aberdeen to Houston, with KLM and BA currently taking the majority of passengers.City Star proposed flying Aberdeen to Houston with a 757 a few years back, but this never happened due to them going belly up. They also planned to provide connections to Stavanger and Oslo.

There's no reason why this can't work in the opposite direction - SAS providing the flights from Oslo/Stavanger, and providing a connecting flight from Aberdeen. Although at present SAS do not fly Aberdeen-Oslo, so the connection would need to be in Stavanger.

Loads may be light on such a flight, but I bet the yields would be pretty good!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17080 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Quoting arn777 (Reply 12):
But that day will never come as long as SAS refuse to feed at OSL.

Refuses to feed anything but CPH...



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User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
Refuses to feed anything but CPH...

Correct!


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
Well Stavanger or Oslo would surprise me.
Lets remember that the oilcapital of Europe is Aberdeen and they dont have any connection to Houston. And Aberdeen is a fair bit bigger as an oildestinations compared to Stavanger.
The only thing I could see flown on such a route is a leased Private air 737-320 or similar.

Aberdeen sees alot more flights, among them is another oildestination such as Baku.

According to who? Norway is by far the biggest producer of oil in the region and Stavanger is a much bigger oil city than Aberdeen.



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
According to who? Norway is by far the biggest producer of oil in the region and Stavanger is a much bigger oil city than Aberdeen.

Norway may be the biggest producer of oil, but it's oil industry is much more spread out across the country. Scotland's oil industry is concentrated in Aberdeen. Aberdeen based companies also do a lot of work for oil production in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea, as well as elsewhere in the world.

According to everyone. Stavanger is known as "The oil capital of Norway", while Aberdeen is known as "The oil capital of Europe". Noone in Stavanger has ever disputed this, so it must be true.

It's hard to find consistent stats to back it up, but I have managed to find the following:

Employees Working In Oil Sector:
Aberdeen: 23,500 - 137,300
Stavanger: 80,000

Number Of Companies
Aberdeen: 1,000+
Stavanger: 280

Sources:
Aberdeen: http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/nmsru...aveasdialog.asp?lID=30832&sID=3365
Stavanger: http://www.neweuropeaneconomy.com/ho...-norways-gift-that-keeps-on-giving

[Edited 2012-07-13 02:02:09]


That'll teach you
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 10):
First of all I don't think we see SVG/OSL-IAH startet.

This is probably correct..... Jeff Smisek from his UA office in Chicago will get on the telephone to his *A partners over there in Scandinavia, and tell them how badly IAH has been behaving and that now IAH needs to be taught a lesson and punished........ so then SK will transfer this route and instead it will become OSL-DEN and OSL-CLE.

What airline would want to serve an airport that's behaving badly, I ask?


 


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9162 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 13):
FYI - Aker Kvaerner was renamed to become Aker Solutions. As you say there are a lot of ties between the two cities, but add in a connection to Aberdeen and you have a whole lot more...

Nope, according to Reuters this morning my understanding is that Kvaerner was always seperate from Solutions and only recently Kvaerner was bought by a Japanese EPC called IHI. The base continues to be Houston going foward.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...idUS154756+12-Jul-2012+HUG20120712

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ihi...ternational-corporation-2012-07-12

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 13):
As you say there are a lot of ties between the two cities, but add in a connection to Aberdeen and you have a whole lot more...

Main reason why our subsea global meetings take place in London due to the fact that nobody here in Houston, or Lousiana wants to connect and travel all the way to Aberdeen for meetings. If thiers no interest in a connection then you will find alot of us preferring to get up at the crack of dawn here in Houston to instead crowd the Cisco Telepresence room at the main offices if we are required to be seen and not just heard .


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
Quoting nighthawk (Reply 17):

I think one thing that has to also be considered is that from a Subsea services base here in Houston, our bosses are based in Aberdeen granted, but our revenue generation in many cases is Norwegian (as well as the Gulf Coast naturally, off the coast of New Foundland and Africa too at least from these offices). While no one can deny the importance of an Aberdeen link with IAH is necessary, their can also be as just a strong case for at a minimum an Oslo service as well. The customer base is paying the bills to support their projects and for you to be out there servicing platforms on a moments notice, sometimes for weeks and months on end (our support guys sometimes need to be rotated in during an assignment too). So, their is indeed a case to have a flight from either North Sea location that does not require long connections between legs (LHR, CDG, AMS) and Privatair may not necessarily be a solution when it comes to a O&G supporting a customer project having to drop large bills on the only seats available as being biz class seats, so a field services rep. can fly in creature comforts. But if that is the only option provided it will be utilized that is for sure. However, from this point of view revenue and contributing margin have to also come into view when making ones quarterly figures work during quarterly business reviews and the bottom line is that thier is going to be a case for "back seat" traffic as well as biz class in alot of cases.


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9093 times:

Why not just provide better connections between Aberdeen and SVG/OSL?

Then the long haul flights to IAH could catch all the oil industry related pax in one place. The flight would also be shorter from ABZ. Don't seriously believe the sustainability of any Norway-IAH direct flight. Perhaps with a one-stop in Aberdeen. And not with widebody equipment.

[Edited 2012-07-13 04:26:35]

[Edited 2012-07-13 04:27:00]


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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9028 times:

ABZ reportedly has upwards of 50 business travellers going to IAH a day on BA alone. There is likely a fair number using KL, AF and LH as well.

The oil industry is big in Aberdeen and the number of oil/business travellers is clear when you compare ABZ with a city with similar catchment area.

I believe an ideal routing would be SVG-ABZ-IAH on a BBJ/BBJ2. The route would be dependant on feed from both cities I guess but with ABZ being larger than SVG industry-wise it would need to be direct from ABZ - not SVG.


User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 21):
Why not just provide better connections between Aberdeen and SVG/OSL?

There are five or six daily flights SVG-ABZ on SK, WF and T3, so a IAH-flight from SVG could also attract pax from ABZ.



Quoting FSDan (Reply 4):
If this happens, I would guess that KLM stands to lose the most. Nothing detrimental I would think, but most traffic to Norway from Houston probably goes on KLM right now.

KLM, BA and LH would all lose traffic.


Raggi



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

Quoting raggi (Reply 23):
There are five or six daily flights SVG-ABZ on SK, WF and T3, so a IAH-flight from SVG could also attract pax from ABZ.

But why launch flights from the 2nd biggest city (SVG) when you can launch flights from the biggest oil city and NOT having to backtrack? In my opinion flights out of ABZ would be more sustainable in the long run especially with feeder traffic from both OSL and SVG.



Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
25 raggi : True, but then again KL, LH and BA and perhaps also AF to a less extent take most of the oil traffic to/from SVG, BGO, OSL via their respective hubs.
26 Post contains links MillwallSean : Hmm AkerKvaerner might be a big fish in Norway but internationally they aren't even a guppy. Aker ASA revenue NOK 36.47 billion (2011) 26,600 Employee
27 GCT64 : On the basis that SVG-OSL-IAH seems no more attractive than SVG-LHR-IAH or SVG-AMS-IAH, then the objective has to be to offer something more attractiv
28 SASMD82 : Any idea if SAS plans to acquire some new longhaul planes? 7 A330-300 and 4 A340-300 seem to be not to much to serve its network and to meet their exp
29 SKAirbus : If they do decide to start SVG-IAH for example, then I would think aqcuiring a couple of RR engined A330-200s may be a good idea and make them premiu
30 Post contains images GEsubsea : I suggested something similar on a different forum for AUS concerning a N/S (A320) out of LHR and came to the conclusion that only a Boeing BBJ like
31 Post contains images TWA772LR : This is a route that would be perfect for a UA 762, good range, premium heavy, and good cargo capacity! But if SAS does start this route, I hope it wi
32 drerx7 : Does UA have JV with SK? If they do, it might not matter. If they don't, to hell with em.
33 eagle125 : They definitely could use more than 12 gates. TA, AF, KL, LH, and BA all depart between 1600-1700 hrs CST and the two Middle East flights depart in t
34 raggi : Hmm, Schlumberger alone has ~2400 employees in Norway, not sure where you get your numbers from?
35 Post contains images GEsubsea : Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 26): I have friends at some of the largest American oilservice companies in Stavanger. Baker&Hughes has about 100 empl
36 iahflyer : Some clarification, DL could only get D1 to D3, the current D Gates that use to be part of terminal C. Also, not all of at D4 to D12 can hold wide-bo
37 drerx7 : Well...we will see how long United keeps up its antics...it may be more like 10 - 20 years.
38 drerx7 : Also as a side note - if need be they can start hardstanding. I'd think that if UA really pulled the plug on phase II (vs. the on hold status) - I co
39 GEsubsea : Hardstanding sounds like a good idea since many of UA's regionals are starting to be serviced there on the tarmac. However, with that said I think th
40 TWA772LR : AM is a Skyteam member, and since DL is trying to be closer to its buddies, that may not fly. Same with TA being in Star with UA. Vivaaerobus may mov
41 LAXdude1023 : Hmmm...I think a BBJ on Privatair to ABZ or OSL would be a better fit than a 330 to IAH from OSL or SVG.
42 AVENSAB727 : I wonder if Air New Zealand is the next airline to announce!
43 Rockinflyer : It seems to me its about time for SAS and Finnair to return to California. Either SFO or LAX.
44 ua767400 : If they do start, it will be before the end of April to ferry the yearly Off Shore and Technology Conference. Norwegians are a big part of this.
45 B747forever : SAS has already announced CPH-SFO. Starting in April 2013.
46 Rockinflyer : SAS has already announced CPH-SFO. Starting in April 2013. /quote] That's great to hear!!!! I remember they went into LAX for so many decades and then
47 B747forever : I highly doubt that AY will serve HEL-California, as their focus lies in Asia. Besides that the US is already covered by AY to JFK and AA to ORD.
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