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John Leahy And Fabrice Brégier Tour QR's 787  
User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17054 times:

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John Leahy, known for being head of Airbus Salesman and Fabrice Brégier CEO of Airbus both toured Qatar's new 787 and Boeing's new "baby." It was an offer they couldn't refuse.

Here is what John had to say:

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"The interior is lovely," Leahy responded. "It's the same interior we'll put in my A350. Except this is a little bit smaller."



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17057 times:



Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
"It's the same interior we'll put in my A350. Except this is a little bit smaller."

After the comment...

Here's John Leahy getting kicked out of the plane. He's stepping off the right catering door.   ...



[Edited 2012-07-12 21:10:16]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31241 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16978 times:
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Classic Leahy.      

User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16954 times:

Wow this is interesting, thats something i never thought I would see, Airbus people coming out of a Boeing airplane lol.

Well Im a little surprised at Leahy's remark. Its actually a very civil and nice remark. Being Leahy, I expected him to say a lot worse regarding the 787.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16862 times:

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 3):
Wow this is interesting, thats something i never thought I would see, Airbus people coming out of a Boeing airplane lol.

They do it on a daily basis, likewise Boeing people are on Airbus manufactured aircraft daily. These are large corporations, they fly commercial carriers, and they will fly on everything from RJs to A380s. I would not be surprised if JL flew on a 737 to get the show, likewise I would not be surprised if some of the Boeing people flew on A330s or A340s.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20204 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16842 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
I would not be surprised if JL flew on a 737 to get the show, likewise I would not be surprised if some of the Boeing people flew on A330s or A340s.

And, besides, of course they pick over each-other's designs. They might learn something. If they can tweak it just enough to avoid patent infringement...


User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16764 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):

I know that. Im sure that they are always checking out each other aircraft.

What I meant is seeing a top Airbus salesman and Airbus' CEO touring their rival's aircraft at an international air show in such a public way.

It obviously is unique, if not there wouldn't be a little story on it.



388 346 77W 787
User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16709 times:

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 3):
Well Im a little surprised at Leahy's remark. Its actually a very civil and nice remark. Being Leahy, I expected him to say a lot worse regarding the 787.

Yeah, I was guessing something more negative. But what can be said negative about it? QR's 787 is beautiful.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 1):
Here's John Leahy getting kicked out of the plane. He's stepping off the right catering door.

     Getting ideas for their A350?   



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16683 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
Quote:
"The interior is lovely," Leahy responded. "It's the same interior we'll put in my A350. Except this is a little bit smaller."

Why am I not surprised that Leahy would make a "mine is bigger" comment?         



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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16668 times:

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 3):
Well Im a little surprised at Leahy's remark. Its actually a very civil and nice remark. Being Leahy, I expected him to say a lot worse regarding the 787.

But noticed he made a comment about the 787's interior, which for the most part (seats, etc.) are not made by Boeing. He didn't actually make a comment about the 787 itself.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16635 times:

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 6):

It obviously is unique, if not there wouldn't be a little story on it.

For the 787 yes, but by no means the first time this has happened, bit like trying to suggest that no one from Boeing has even been on an A380 at a show. I have seen this myself a number of time in the biz jet ramp, you see people from different manufacturers have a look around at what is available.



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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16510 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 10):

Once again, im aware of that. What i am saying is having KEY / TOP people from Airbus/Boeing touring their rival's aircraft. I don't think I recall McNerney taking a tour of the A380 or other Airbus products etc. ( although I could be wrong)

I know that lower rank Boeing employees have toured Airbus products and vice versa, but its different when its the leaders / top executives of the company.

Again I know Boeing/Airbus employees check out each others aircraft.

But these are not just some average Airbus employees, in this case, its the top salesperson and the CEO, its a little different.



388 346 77W 787
User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16399 times:

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 11):
I don't think I recall McNerney taking a tour of the A380 or other Airbus products etc. ( although I could be wrong)

Randy Baseler took a tour of A380 at Paris some years ago. Same for Leahy and the 777W. And for Baseler and the A340-600.

It happens all the time at any major event. One just has to remember these events.



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User currently offline757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16321 times:

Interesting... I wonder how he felt after being inside a "Chinese copy of an A-330" (some of us don't forget...)


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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16260 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 12):
Randy Baseler took a tour of A380 at Paris some years ago. Same for Leahy and the 777W. And for Baseler and the A340-600.

I stand corrected.

It still very interesting though, when rivals check out each others products.



388 346 77W 787
User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16144 times:

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 14):

It still very interesting though, when rivals check out each others products.

I think the industry wears people down over time, to stay in it as long as those sort of people, I think people need to be an aviation nut. Aviation nuts like new aircraft, regardless of who makes them.

I would rather be in the crowd at an airshow any day over sitting on a tropical beach.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16095 times:

Quoting 757gb (Reply 13):
nteresting... I wonder how he felt after being inside a "Chinese copy of an A-330" (some of us don't forget...)

...or "putting the flight crew in the overhead bins." IIRC, he did the same with the A350.  
Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 11):
But these are not just some average Airbus employees, in this case, its the top salesperson and the CEO, its a little different.

No real difference, except perhaps Boeing personnel took inventory after John Leahy left the plane.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5477 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16082 times:

It was a great move...at an Airshow where Airbus wasn't getting any huge news, JL and company get to look like great guys by doing a nice, polite tour of the other guy's aircraft and saying, (mostly), nice things about it.

Much like flying demos, this visit won't make a bit of difference to customers, but it's a nice bit of PR.



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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16080 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 15):
I would rather be in the crowd at an airshow any day over sitting on a tropical beach.

I totally agree, I would choose the airshow as well lol.

Quoting zeke (Reply 15):
I think the industry wears people down over time, to stay in it as long as those sort of people, I think people need to be an aviation nut. Aviation nuts like new aircraft, regardless of who makes them.

Thats true. This is what makes me question my interest of going into the aviation industry. Im finishing up business school and sometimes I think about getting into the aviation field either with an airline, airport, manufacturer etc. I always think twice though. My biggest fear is that if i do work in the aviation field, that it might start to bore me and I might start to dislike it and that i wont find it as interesting.

Or it could go the other way as well, I could end up loving the industry even more.



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User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1430 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16056 times:

I was visiting the Airbus factory last week. Airbus had 5 people on the inaugural LH B747-8I flight, scouting out the new machine. I would be very, very, surprised if they didn't have some people on the first ANA flight to FRA too, and I'd be equally surprised if Boeing didn't have people on the first A380 flight with SQ.


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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15532 times:

The really interesting bits on an aircraft are hidden away anyway!

JL could hardly criticise the interior, as the interior was specified by QR, one of Airbus's main clients...



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User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15405 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
Why am I not surprised that Leahy would make a "mine is bigger" comment?

Ever heard anything about "sense of humour"? I wasn't there, but I'm sure everyone was laughing at that comment.


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15176 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 21):
Ever heard anything about "sense of humour"? I wasn't there, but I'm sure everyone was laughing at that comment.

Yes, I'm sure the people who kicked him off the plane "[were] laughing at that comment."  

[Edited 2012-07-13 01:53:16]


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14495 times:

I think its hard to say anything negative about the 787, it is such a big step forward in aviation technology. It wasn't easy to do it either. It is still a tube with wings but it has a lot of new stuff in it. I wonder how hard it will be the do the BWB if anyone dares to try.

User currently offlineFlyingCello From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14473 times:

People,

Don't read too much into this...John Leahy and his Boeing counterparts are all grown ups. The idea of them showing off their products to each other has been around for a long time. Why wouldn't they? They can step on their rival's products any day of the week if they buy a ticket. I wouldn't be surprised if the Boeing and Airbus top brass met for a few glasses of wine some evening...while this is business, they are all in it together. No-one understands Airbus better than Boeing and vice-versa. Remember too that they co-operate on a heap of regulatory issues etc. sitting on industry bodies together. As for Leahy's "mine will be a bit bigger"...well. I would take that as a tongue in cheek remark that the Boeing guys will just laugh along with. We all know the A350 is a bit bigger than the 787...and the 777X will be a bit bigger again!

Some years back BMW and Mercedes were known for buying a job lot of the competitors new models, then tearing them apart to inspect. So when a new 3-series was launched, Mercedes would go an buy ten, just to see what they were made of. And vice-versa. Not sure if it still happens, but the story went that eventually they just started sending each other new models as a gift!

Amateur enthusiasts like to portray the Boeing - Airbus rivalry as some sort of war...it's not, it's just business! And the people involved are still human, they probably get along a lot better than we give them credit for.


25 Post contains images oldeuropean : How do you come to the conclusion that he was kicked off the plane? Do you think the Boeing representatives were so childish like some commenters her
26 Post contains images ghifty : Leahy's comment is out of context.. Oops, sorry Thought that was in the article.. apparently not. ^ threw me off [Edited 2012-07-13 03:43:55]
27 LuisKMIA : If I'm not mistaken, Mr. Leahy said the 787 was a copy of the A330 when Boeing formally announced development. But later he realized Boeing was seriou
28 Post contains images ferpe : When you take your product to an airshow and open it up to the public you also open it up to the competitors. I have been working several times at Far
29 flipdewaf : Either: 1. He is a complete tool who will do anything to gain one upmanship whilst trying to ut a downer on his fellow workers in the aviation busine
30 Post contains images scbriml : Humour bypass? Wait, you seriously think he was "kicked off"? Yes, it was well documented. At the time Boeing had an A340 cross-section cut-out insid
31 flyglobal : Being in Automotive: Guys we are riding the competitors cars all the time, we tear them apart, analyze weight, cost and manufacturing process and we a
32 jfk777 : While this is a Boeing plane Qatar is also a Airbus customer so he can't say anything "bad " about the plane because a Qatar A350 would look the same
33 shankly : Well Boeing took SIA's A340's as a trade-ins on their 777's so I doubt they sat there on the ramp without the Boeing boys being all over them.....won
34 SmittyOne : Even the staunchest Boeing guy witnessing this in real time would have to be thinking "Well played, Mr. Leahy....well played." I think his quip was cl
35 Post contains images KDAYflyer : Well, they had to learn how to make airplanes the right way from somebody [Edited 2012-07-13 06:12:11]
36 flightsimer : Airbus: Mines's wider than yours! Boeing: Ya well we have the longest of them all!
37 TriniA340 : I believe this touring of each other's aircraft at the end of an airshow is customary. Airbus & Boeing personnel do this at many airshows. It's no
38 garpd : Much ado about nothing! It was a friendly quip, nothing more. Move along!
39 Tradewinds : Wow, if you think for a moment they would actually kick the CEO of Airbus off the plane for making a joke, you need to recalibrate your humor meter.
40 mham001 : Actually, if you think that was not a joke, you need to recalibrate your own joke meter. Seems quite a few do in this thread. Like many have said, co
41 cheeken : You know, the saying goes "Some like it long but most like it thick"
42 Acheron : Indeed, and they will always be interested in their competitors' airplanes for one reason or another. Usually petty remarks like "if its Boeing I ain
43 Post contains images CM : Usually this is the case, although we do not always open static airplanes to the public. When we do, there certainly is no check at the door to see w
44 Post contains images EPA001 : I would think most Boeing people would have travelled from ORD. .
45 Post contains images Stitch : Only the corporate executive team. Commercial would have left SEA and Defense would have left via STL. I expect Boeing has a policy that senior execu
46 Post contains images EPA001 : Thanks for your clarification.
47 OldAeroGuy : Along with Alan Mullay.
48 757gb : You are correct... in fact he said it was a "Chinese copy of an A-330" and that all that Airbus needed to do to compete was to hang the same engines
49 Post contains images glideslope : "Imitation Is The Finest Form Of Flattery" [Edited 2012-07-13 11:58:41]
50 ferpe : He is in more senses than that, he didn't think he needed the kind of salary he got as EADS CEO (he got the job after all the EADS top management tro
51 cmf : Why I very much respect what he achieves but don't always agree with what he does.
52 AADC10 : Of course that is what he would say. The additional width is the main selling point of the A350. Most 787s and A350s will have 9 abreast in Y but the
53 Post contains images ghifty : The way the photo in reply 1 was captioned changed the whole context of the visit. I thought that that "caption" was also grabbed from the source art
54 Post contains images ncelhr : It's nice PR. Proof is the number of posts this thread has generated. Outside public airshows, you'd be surprised at how often Airbus and Boeing peop
55 CM : I think it was, back when the A350 was envisioned as a competitor to the 787. Now that the A350-800 has been shoved to the back burner and Airbus pla
56 HarleyDriver : I love hearing the stories about Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune riding their Harleys together. While they weren't competitive head to head in the s
57 Post contains images Confuscius : Probably both are members of Conquistador del Cielo, an aviation/aerospace industries fraternity. Just ignore me, I try to live up to my a.net profil
58 Post contains images CM : This is absolutely the case, and often these people are great friends. I count a number of Airbus employees as more than just professional acquaintan
59 Post contains images Aircellist : Mind you (and a few others), it is indeed Noël Forgeard who told the chinese copy comment... I try not to be envious and jealous in life, in general
60 Revelation : Ok, I'll play along. (3) is ridiculous. (2) would be plausible if JL showed mutual respect, but from his comments it's clear he didn't. (1) is my cho
61 zeke : I think you are reading too much into this. JL was complementary towards the 787 at the launch of the 240 t A330, he described the 787 as being beaut
62 Post contains images Unflug : I don't know where your opinion about JL comes from. The character you describe does not match the image other's are depicting, I'm talking about peo
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