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Rumor: QR To Join Oneworld, September Announcement  
User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16046 times:

I cannot provide an official source for this yet, so take it with a grain of salt as a rumor if you wish, but according to an informal source in Qatar, which I cannot reveal but which has been very reliable in the past, Qatar Airways will join Oneworld and the announcement will be made in September.

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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16043 times:

Aww shucks, I was hoping for SkyTeam.


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User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15804 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Aww shucks, I was hoping for SkyTeam.

Well, with all respect for both alliances, I would say that Oneworld needs QR more than SkyTeam does, since although RJ has the middle east more or less covered, QR would provide invaluable connections to South Asia and East Africa, and reinforce S7 in Central Asia and MH in South East Asia, as well as provide another intermediate base in Doha for the Kangaroo route, together with Kuala Lumpur (my guess here is that they would both complement each other for traffic from Europe to Oceania, but that Doha would be a very competitive one-stop option for the U.S. East Coast traffic to Oceania and South East Asia when reinforced by AA feed). SkyTeam, on the contrary, already has two Middle East airlines on board, and will soon have a South East Asia one when GA joins next year, which together with their Chinese fortress should be enough to cover the above mentioned regions, with the exception of Oceania, but they may fix that if DL coziness with Virgin Australia lures the latter into SkyTeam (and Etihad may follow suit there, or even join on their own before, for all we know).

It is funny, because a few months ago Oneworld seemed very weakened, with MA closing shop and JL and AA in dire straights, but if, as also rumoured, JJ joins LA in Oneworld, and QR does indeed join too, the alliance will be considerably stronger next year than it was last one (AA form of emergence from bankruptcy pending, of course, but even if they were to merge with US, in my opinion the natural choice would be Oneworld).


User currently offlineAAExecPlat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15753 times:

No surprise. QR was always a natural fit for OW.

User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15669 times:

Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 3):
No surprise. QR was always a natural fit for OW.

Well, I must confess that given their codeshare strategy until very recently I was convinced that if QR were to join an alliance, it would be Star, but agreed, I think they would be a very good fit for current and announced Oneworld members.


User currently offlineAAExecPlat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15652 times:

Quoting Markam (Reply 2):
It is funny, because a few months ago Oneworld seemed very weakened, with MA closing shop and JL and AA in dire straights, but if, as also rumoured, JJ joins LA in Oneworld, and QR does indeed join too, the alliance will be considerably stronger next year than it was last one (AA form of emergence from bankruptcy pending, of course, but even if they were to merge with US, in my opinion the natural choice would be Oneworld).

Agreed. The additions of JJ, MH, and QR would be HUGE.


User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15577 times:

Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 5):
Agreed. The additions of JJ, MH, and QR would be HUGE.

AA has invited JJ as was reported on this forum a few months back, but I think LATAM only stated that JJ would leave Star. I don't believe that there has been any mention of JJ in oneworld.

Maybe oneworld gave Baker the most bang for his buck, maybe QF loves the fact that QR does not serve SYD, or maybe this is a case of a bunch of oneworld's smaller airlines overpowering a few of the bigger ones. Though these discussions are all naturally closed door and confidential, I am interested in what prompted QR's shift in alliance strategy.

This constant shifting among airlines is what makes this industry so much fun to observe. At one point, EY seemed an inevitability for oneworld and QR for Star, but its amazing how a couple of partnership changes can change the game.



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User currently offlinemfe777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15556 times:

Does this mean we will probably see a DFW-DOH route in the near future? Maybe on a QR 777-300ER?

User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2645 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15501 times:
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Quoting blink182 (Reply 6):
maybe QF loves the fact that QR does not serve SYD

So could we see Qantas launching SYD-DOH?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4928 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15486 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 6):

There's been talk about QR serving SYD however has not been achievable due to the lack of slots... This could go in both BA and QF favor... BA can serve DOH from LHR while QF can feed traffic from SYD / MEL via DOH...
Achievable no?

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User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15466 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 6):
Maybe oneworld gave Baker the most bang for his buck, maybe QF loves the fact that QR does not serve SYD, or maybe this is a case of a bunch of oneworld's smaller airlines overpowering a few of the bigger ones. Though these discussions are all naturally closed door and confidential, I am interested in what prompted QR's shift in alliance strategy.

As it has been mentioned I think that in terms of route network QR is a good fit for current Oneworld members, and probably all the factors that you mention have played a bigger or smaller role, but I would say that the apparently really good personal rapport between Al Baker and Willie Walsh may have also been conductive to an agreement. I mean, QR is not obviously to take business decisions based on personal relationships, but, you know, things are always easier to work out among friends. Another example of this is the personal rapport and long-term relationship of the Cueto family, in control of LAN and now of LATAM, which is also rumoured to be a big factor behind the likely decision of LAN to stay in Oneworld, and of TAM following them there, if they do).

Quoting blink182 (Reply 6):
This constant shifting among airlines is what makes this industry so much fun to observe. At one point, EY seemed an inevitability for oneworld and QR for Star, but its amazing how a couple of partnership changes can change the game.

Agreed, and after QR the other Gulf carriers may feel the urgence to join an alliance too, so, grab the popcorn!   


User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15389 times:

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 7):
Does this mean we will probably see a DFW-DOH route in the near future? Maybe on a QR 777-300ER?
Quoting mfe777 (Reply 7):
So could we see Qantas launching SYD-DOH?

I am really not familiar with the figures for those markets, but in principle I would say that they would certainly be natural Oneworld routes if QR joins, although I would say that on whose metal they would be flown, AA, QF or QR, is far from clear.


User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15260 times:

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 7):
Does this mean we will probably see a DFW-DOH route in the near future? Maybe on a QR 777-300ER?

Very possible at some point - though I'd bet ORD-DOH would be launched first given the large subcontinent population in Chicagoland. No doubt that flight would do extremely well particularly in the back, and hopefully up front too. Will AA continue to codeshare with EY on their ORD-AUH flight then? An ORD-DOH with QR in oneworld would be in direct competition.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15228 times:

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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15167 times:

Hoorah...an airline in Oneworld with some money !

I take back what I said about them being state owned.

It's no longer an issue for me.


  



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15056 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 12):
Very possible at some point - though I'd bet ORD-DOH would be launched first given the large subcontinent population in Chicagoland

The Subcontinent population in Dallas is also huge. Its the 6th largest in the US after NYC, Bay Area, Chicago, DC, and Los Angeles. Dont know if that would drive it or not, the yields are typically low to the Subcontinent.

[Edited 2012-07-13 08:02:02]


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14980 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 6):
AA has invited JJ as was reported on this forum a few months back, but I think LATAM only stated that JJ would leave Star. I don't believe that there has been any mention of JJ in oneworld.

Yup, and that is a very important thing to bear in mind. At the very least, however, I am optimistic that LAN will stay in OneWorld. Given LAN's current network and their connectivity to powerhouse OneWorld hubs, it seems illogical to me why they'd ever leave the alliance.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 12):
Very possible at some point - though I'd bet ORD-DOH would be launched first given the large subcontinent population in Chicagoland.

It's interesting how people have long surmised about the potential of an ORDDOH route over the years, but it never materialized. It's definitely only a matter of time before EK comes to ORD. Not sure about QR though.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14965 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
The Subcontinent population in Dallas is also huge. Its the 6th largest in the US after NYC, Bay Area, Chicago, DC, and Los Angeles. Dont know if that would drive it or not, the yields are typically low to the Subcontinent.

Minor edit : Dallas is 7 ... BOS is #5 and Bay Area #6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...s_primary_census_statistical_areas


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14767 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 17):
Minor edit : Dallas is 7 ... BOS is #5 and Bay Area #6

You didnt read my post. I was talking about South Asian population (or residents from the Indian subcontinent) and it is number 6.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14079 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
You didnt read my post. I was talking about South Asian population (or residents from the Indian subcontinent) and it is number 6.

What's the source of your #6 ? I found some older data based on Census 2000, and DFW is #8 :

http://www.usindiafriendship.net/census/citypop.htm


User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13898 times:

Bearing in mind that neither QR nor oneworld has issued an official press release, this entire thread is pure speculation.

Quoting Markam (Reply 10):
As it has been mentioned I think that in terms of route network QR is a good fit for current Oneworld members,

Yes, but can't the same be said for EY?

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 16):
It's interesting how people have long surmised about the potential of an ORDDOH route over the years, but it never materialized.

Agree. UA is ORD's #1 carrier. Either the pax numbers just aren't there with EY and RJ in the market, or QR doesn't have the amount of planes to do it. If this were about connecting feed, the route would have been started while QR partnered with UA. Now they have no partner.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 8):

So could we see Qantas launching SYD-DOH?

I'm sure if a QF-QR alliance comes to fruition QF will be on it immediately. Do their 332s have the range for nonstop? It may be more important for QF that they fly the route to prove that they aren't just cutting and cutting.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13831 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19):
What's the source of your #6 ? I found some older data based on Census 2000, and DFW is #8 :

Below is the data from the 2010 census:

1) NYC: 526,133
2) Bay Area: 237,556
3) Chicago: 171,901
4) Washington/Baltimore: 160,156
5) Los Angeles: 119,901
6) Dallas: 100,386
7) Houston: 91,637
8) Philadelphia: 90,286
9) Boston: 62,598
10) Detroit: 55,087
11) Seattle: 52,652

Of course this is the Indian populations only, but even when you factor in all the other South Asian ethnicities, Dallas is still number 6. The list left off Atlanta for whatever reason, but I remember seeing that its Indian population was around 70,000 putting it between Boston and Philly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American

[Edited 2012-07-13 09:37:56]


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User currently offlineHansaRostock From Germany, joined Aug 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13751 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 20):
As it has been mentioned I think that in terms of route network QR is a good fit for current Oneworld members,
Yes, but can't the same be said for EY?

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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13706 times:

Based on this turn of events if factual and true then you have to wonder about alignment of OW carriers at focus cities like IAH? Would QR uproot from IAH and move the stable north to DFW since that is the fortress hub for AA with QF & BA as honorable mentions?

OR does QR continue to enjoy its solid yields regarding the O&G business down in Houston and AA instead decides to go crazy and ALSO wants access to Term. D gates D1-4 (mind you these are RJ, MD80, 737 and possibly 757 capable) at IAH to be closer to its other OW partners QR & the double daily BA's?

Please Note: this is also what DL is trying to secure with respect to it wanting to be close to its Sky Team partners in AM, AF & KLM.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13606 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 20):
Quoting ju068 (Reply 8):

So could we see Qantas launching SYD-DOH?

I'm sure if a QF-QR alliance comes to fruition QF will be on it immediately. Do their 332s have the range for nonstop? It may be more important for QF that they fly the route to prove that they aren't just cutting and cutting.

SYD-DOH is nearly 7700smi. Even with zero headwinds, the 332 would probably struggle on the westbound leg. QF's upcoming 787 might be better suited (assuming QF does it instead of QR, which has plenty of planes to choose from).

But with QF's cost structure, that's a painfully long flight that's heavily tilted towards connections instead of O&D.


25 drerx7 : Yea, I doubt QR would leave IAH for DFW. I could see DFW being added with 787 intitially and then upgauging as needed , QR has a helluva reputation he
26 LAXdude1023 : QR wont leave IAH. That said, if QR joins OW and develops a close relationship with AA, DFW-DOH would work, but it would exist alongside IAH.
27 PHX787 : I agree, I can't see QR going to any other alliance. It was either OW or no alliance at all. IIRC wasn't this a route discussed to be operated under
28 9w748capt : If QR joins oneworld then it should almost be a given for someone (AA or QR - most likely QR) to start ORD-DOH right? I agree, it's pretty amazing th
29 kiwiandrew : While I have doubts about the wisdom of accepting QR into the fold it has been good in the last couple of years to see OW move forward after a long pe
30 kordcj : I don't mean this to be rude or sarcastic, but what exactly makes QR a good fit for OW? Several people have mentioned their route structure compliment
31 jumpjets : Given that Etihad have a substantial stake in AB would this mean AB are likely to leave Oneworld should QR join?
32 IrishAyes : EY is currently making ORDAUH work on a codeshare basis, so yes, I'd imagine that does indicate promising potential that *if* QR were to join OW, the
33 Post contains images lightsaber : Am I the only one totally shocked by this? I figured EY would go into Oneworld. QR was debating between *A and Skyteam. EK was laughing at the idea of
34 TUGMASTER : Nope...me too Yep.... me too.... So, how does that leave AB/EY...? AB in Oneworld, with EY have a 1/3 share..? Surely EY will gain too much "info" in
35 Post contains images N62NA : What about MIA??? Oh, that's why it won't be MIA.
36 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I am not sure that *A actually wanted them. I remember a while back someone senior in *A ( it may have been Jan Albrect but I'm not 100% sure) statin
37 aeroblogger : So, as expected... I wonder when the EY SkyTeam announcement will come?
38 Post contains images Markam : Agreed, and that is why "Rumor" is the first word of its title. That said, my source was even more specific, quoting September 12th as the expected d
39 TeamInTheSky : First, thanks Lightsaber for your thorough analysis as always. I would tend to agree with your sentiment of surprise until a couple of months ago. Wh
40 Bill142 : EY has a reasonable stake in Virgin Australia as well as a strategic partnership which seems to have gone unnoticed by many here. I can hardly see Qan
41 Post contains images lightsaber : Ah... I guess my filter settings on Al Baker were set too high. Good points. Thank you. After sleeping on this thread, I wonder if LH/TK/future india
42 Post contains images RyanairGuru : No. But they would likely be too small for SYD anyway. If SYD-DOH were to be a QF flight I think it would be a 747-400ER which could easily do it, al
43 mikey72 : There are a handful of airlines in the world that don't count cash as a concern. QR is one of them. At least that's one airline we won't have to worr
44 RyanairGuru : I realise that, but I was being somewhat sarcastic by referring to Swire - owners of Cathay Pacific
45 DTWLAX : You are not completely correct either. This is data only for US citizens with Indian ancestry. There are still thousands of Indian origin people who
46 LAXdude1023 : The data is for those born in India but who live in those particular areas legally and permenantly in some form or fashion.[Edited 2012-07-14 15:08:4
47 JAL : This would be a major boost for OneWorld!
48 DTWLAX : I agree with that but I am saying there are people living legally but are not permanent residents i.e. those without citizenship or green cards but w
49 aeroblogger : Correct. BOS is slightly larger than DFW when you include visa holders. (source: Indian Embassy figures added to census figures)
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