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BA New First Only Guaranteed On 3 Routes.  
User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 4283 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7633 times:


Given that the new First product is available on 63 aircraft now I was suprised to read that BA will only "Guarantee" it on 3 routes,

BA5/BA6 London Heathrow - Tokyo Narita

BA7/BA8 London Heathrow - Tokyo Haneda

BA169/BA168 London Heathrow - Shanghai

Would have thought they could have upped the guarantee rate a bit more.

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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Would have thought they could have upped the guarantee rate a bit more.

It's just an a*se covering maneouvre I would have thought.

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User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

I thought it was available on all JFK routes

User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

I assume that these routes are guaranteed because they are only flown with the RR 772s or the 77Ws which have guaranteed New First. Any 747 route could potentially change between new and old and the chances of New First are lowered significantly on other 777 routes until BA completes the refit of those planes.

User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

The reason these are guaranteed is that Narita and Shanghai are only operated by a 777-300ER and Haneda is only operated by a four class RR powered 777-200ER.

Once the IFE retrofit of the 777-200s is complete then all 777 routes offering First will have the new product.

The 747 fleet however will (at the moment) not be able to guarantee the new product as not all the aircraft are currently due to be modified.

Flown on A300B4/600,A319/20/21,A332/3,A343,B727,B732/3/4/5/6/7/8,B741/2/4,B752/3,B762/3,B772/3,DC10,L1011-200,VC10,MD80,
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8668 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

Here is what the British Airways site says at:


about the availability of their New First Cabin:

"Available now on select routes

"We’re currently rolling out the new First cabin across our fleet and have already completed more than 75% of the planned longhaul aircraft.

"Experience the new First cabin on flights between London Heathrow and Lagos, New York JFK, Shanghai, Tokyo Haneda, Tokyo Narita, Hong Kong and Sao Paulo (subject to availability). The cabin design may vary on other routes but all other aspects of the First experience remain the same, including access to exclusive lounges, top quality in-flight dining and premium service by our attentive cabin crew."

Note that BA does not offer the "guarantee" suggested at the independent "The BA Source" but simply says "subject to availability" because until 100 per cent conversions are complete substitution is always a possibility. Here note that BA apparently does not plan to convert 13 of its 'Mid J' 744s. In so far as even one of these 13 aircraft remain in service when it could be substituted on any route I doubt that BA will "guarantee" their New First Cabin on even one route but they may well increase the number of destinations where they state it will be used "subject to availability".

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