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UK Attract Airlines With US Immigration Pre-Clearance  
User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 194 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...carriers-fly-cheaper-airports.html

Intersting reduced landing fee' s at London airports ex LHR and US imigration clearance...

Its a Daily Mail article so do not know how credible this is but its still interesting!

[Edited 2012-07-13 08:08:21]

[Edited 2012-07-13 08:33:18]

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User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

Quite credible actually! A first for Daily Mail

the draft policy framework issued by the DfT points 2.36-2.39 (pages 21-22) show that the UK Gov would like pre-border clearance at UK airports

http://assets.dft.gov.uk/consultatio...raft-aviation-policy-framework.pdf



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User currently offlinesflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

About time. I always couldnt believe preclearance was never negotiated at least in London. There certainly are enough flights to the us to justify it. Some canadian cities have less amount of flights and pax and have it. One issue at LHR may be space for it but with a new terminal 2 and space in 3 by moving airlines around there may be option to build a new US pre clearance facility

User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days ago) and read 4615 times:

Great idea I say

I am also more interested in the reduced landing fees for the other London airports and how this will attract other airlines.


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

It would be great if they could do this at LHR but I think it would be much to big an ask considering the number of flights/pax involved over all the terminals. The space required would be large and there just isnt that space available in the Heathrow terminals. From what I can remember there are dedicated piers in Canada for pre-clearance and LHR Terminals aren't designed that way.

User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Would TSA/CBP go along with this? Lots of expense and logistical issues. Cost of living in London area would be much higher than in most areas of the U.S. Just my two cents.   

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7869 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting sflaflight (Reply 2):
About time. I always couldnt believe preclearance was never negotiated at least in London. There certainly are enough flights to the us to justify it. Some canadian cities have less amount of flights and pax and have it.

It's a much bigger deal than it looks at such a huge connecting hub like LHR. Think about all the passengers who are connecting at LHR to the US who would have to go thu immigration and customs lines and increase their connection time. Personally I think it's a waste of resouces and a detriment to the airline. I don't see many if any airlines going for it. I know I would never connect at LHR if I was being forced to: wait for my bags, take them across customs, wait in a immigration line, then race across the terminal/airport to catch my conencting flight.
Pre-clearance only works well at airports where ALL passenger boarding the flight originate at that airport. If the airline relies on any significant amount of connecting passengers I can see it turning very quickly into an operations nightmare.


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):

With 13 daily flights between LHR and JFK on the AA/BA cross atlantic JV it would not much of a hasle to catch the next fligth leaving an hour later if you miss your connection. The same can be said of many other destination servied with multiple daily filghts out of LHR. The only place where that becomes an issue are destinations with once daily flights from LHR and even all those destinations can be reached with ease by making an extra connection in either JFK, ORD, DFW, MIA, or LAX. I know an extra connection will be a hasle for anybody looking for a direct flight but its alot better then not getting there at all.


User currently offlineheebeegb From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

" I know I would never connect at LHR if I was being forced to: wait for my bags, take them across customs, wait in a immigration line, then race across the terminal/airport to catch my conencting flight. "

Or alternatively through check your bags and go through flight connections. No hassle.

Even better fly both flights from the same terminal and its even easier.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
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Quoting heebeegb (Reply 8):
Or alternatively through check your bags and go through flight connections. No hassle.

Except that won't work with preclearance. The whole point of preclearance is clearing customs before leaving, rather than at arrival. When they arrive in the US, they are basically treated like a domestic arrival.



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User currently onlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2802 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3061 times:
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I spent several hours perusing the Draft Framework document yesterday.
The draft document is just to elicit comment and influence government thinking towards an actual policy on aviation expected in 2013 .
This will almost certainly form part of the Tory manifesto come the next schedule election (May 2015)

In regards to pre-clearance my understanding is that they want to consult further and identify what legal implications there may be.

Also tied with relaxed 5th freedoms consideration is being made to entice BACK some of the lost transit traffic such as Air India and perhaps Jet Airways .

However further reading indicates that the want these carriers to use Gatwick/Stansted or Manchester or even Birmingham (they reference Luton however that may be for business jet traffic reasons)

With pre-clearnace at THESE facilities rather than LHR.

In the case of Manchester this would certainly help PIA as the JFK bound flights already make a security stop going west and it would also help Biman Bangladesh with their soon to be restarted US services.

I think this is about increasing use of those facilities rather than furthering LHR.

That said it is far from clear as is anything in that document.

Plenty of waffle and NO SUBSTANCE.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7869 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 7):
With 13 daily flights between LHR and JFK on the AA/BA cross atlantic JV it would not much of a hasle to catch the next fligth leaving an hour later if you miss your connection.

I don't know about you but a missed connection is never a good thing for anyone involved. You need to wait in line to get rebooked on the next AVAILABLE flight, whihc may not be the same thing as the NEXT flight.

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 8):
Or alternatively through check your bags and go through flight connections. No hassle.

You can't do that if you're pre-clearing customs/immigration. Hence this discussion   Pre-clearance means having your luggage inspected in your presence, and passing thru US immigration before you set foot in the secure area of the terminal.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4105 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 11):

It's entirely possible to through check bags!

Happens here in Dublin/Shannon all the time!

When you pass through immigration pre-clearance, a photo of your bag is shown on a screen when your boarding card is swiped. You are then asked to confirm its yours. If the officer wants to inspect it, he just presses a button, and the bag is retrieved from a special holding area within the baggage system.

Addmitedly, this does require new build facilities (very difficult to retrofit such a system). Both DUB and SNN have newly built US Immigration/Customs facilities.



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