audidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 704 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 24090 times:
I just heard a news report of a crash at Le Castellet Airport, located next to the Paul Ricard Circuit, near Marseille. The report stated that three Americans were on board, two men and one woman, and were killed. I have no further info at this time.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23770 times:
MSNBC is saying it was a Mustere Falcon 20 with a 60, 30, and 24 year old on baord.
CNN is saying it was a Gulfstream with a 51, 3, and 24 year old on board.
Dailymail is saying Gulfstream with 61, 30, and 24 year old on board
Yahoo news says it was a GIV with 6 onboard.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8308 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 23026 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2): Interesting how this occurs on Friday the Thirteenth..............
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 10): The article says: "The airplane broke in two as it crashed near the runway end. One part ended up in a small pond, probably at the end of runway 13, the other part caught fire."
SASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 788 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22836 times:
CNN now reports that there was three people onboard, the flight crew and a flight attendant. No speculation on the reason of the crash, but the according to some news outlets the GIV had reported some technical problems before the crash.
Highflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22787 times:
Possibly a positioning flight with only a Captain, First Officer and a Flight Attendant on board. The accident photos show the reverser clam shells deployed so he was trying to stop on that 5,700 ft. runway. Another case of Vref + a bunch?
Yea that was the first thing I noticed. The new report I read indicated a wing separation in flight. Clamshells set would mean that the there was load on the main gear. Does anyone have a different picture that may indicate if the spoilers were deployed?
ferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19460 times:
Quoting audidudi (Reply 17): How was the weather at the time of the crash? Could it have been a factor?
It could, there was good weather, clear skies and warm (some 30°C) but very high and gusty winds, up to 80km/h in the area (at least where I live which is pretty close). The link from Zeke makes it clear it was a ferry flight from Nice to Castellet, a 20 min leg. Given the wind conditions I shouldn't want to land any aircraft today on a runway at angle to the wind, it was probably very gusty and variable in angle and could have changed to a tailwing component late on the final.
spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3885 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19420 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 19): It would not have been less interesting, but it is just a known fact that lots of people gets very nervous and suspicious on Friday the thirteenth.
I don't agree at all that it's a "known fact" that people "get very nervous" on Friday the 13th - what does that mean? Do you feel nervous right now? I'm not nervous. The only reason to be nervous is if you actually believe there's any difference between Friday the 13th and any other day. Do you believe that?
I'm sorry for the loss of those involved here but I actually think it cheapens their memory to ascribe some significance to some superstitious date for an accident that could just as easily have occurred any other day of the week. You're basically saying it was all just in God's hands, and there was nothing anybody could have done to prevent this... other than flying yesterday or tomorrow, of course.
I don't personally believe that talk of superstitious dates or triangles or whatever else belongs on an aviation forum, unless you believe that flight itself is enabled through witchcraft. We may as well have that discussion if you're going to ascribe significance to Friday the 13th.
I'm tired of being a wanna-be league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler!
ghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19375 times:
Thrust reversers deployed:
From: Bradenton Herald
Quoting spacecadet (Reply 22): I don't agree at all that it's a "known fact" that people "get very nervous" on Friday the 13th - what does that mean? Do you feel nervous right now? I'm not nervous. The only reason to be nervous is if you actually believe there's any difference between Friday the 13th and any other day. Do you believe that?
I don't think people actually get "nervous," the media just overblows it by doing the following:
If you add up the registration's numbers 8+2+3.. you get 13. And the airplane has 2x6 side windows and the cockpit glass.. that's 13! OMG!
It is true hat many people gt nervous when flying on Friay the thirteenth. it IS a fact. If you ask around, people will tell you that they are extra careful today. Not everybody, but a lot of people, like me. I am a very superstitious person. I'm sorry if you don't agree with what I said, but I said it out of experience. All I meant by my original mention of Friday the thirteenth, is that itmis interesting that this HAPPENED to occur today, of all days. Not that I am minimizing the significance of what happened.
: Not that it would have necessarily had any implication as to why this plane crashed but 24 seems to be very young for a 1st officer of a plane like a
: I have some friends here in the U.S. that know the crew. Many folks are very sad to have learned of this crash. So far I have heard nothing but praise
: the body of the plane seems intact. i feel like it could have been very survivable had there been passengers on board, strapped in, of course
: We have first officers who are 20 years old flying F50's, A318/19/20 here at Avianca, As long as they are properly trained and have demostrated their
: Where do you see this? The tail is broken clean off and I have yet to see any photos of the fuselage. Your comment really has no basis in fact. My co
: I was an A310 Captain for Wardair at 27. (And NOT the youngest Captain in the airline). So it is unlikely the First Officer's age has any implication
: Buddy of mine is a F/O for StarFlyer ( 7G ) in Japan and he just turned 25, so age doesn't necessarily matter here. Anyway, Do you think the wind had
: It is not in the least bit interesting that it happened on that date since accidents sadly happen all of the time every single day of the year. It's
: I'd be interested to see a wing shot if it exists to see wing flap position. Runway overruns rarely are due to mechanical issues, especially in this c
: I'd take a fifty year old geezer like myself with 35,000 hours in type before I'd subscribe to 22 year old with 3,000 in type. I'm not talking "sims"
: Im sure the reason they left Nice was due to lack of ramp parking which is common for Nice in the summer. We normally fly to Toulon or Marseilles as t
: Journalism schools should make it MANDATORY that all students take 'AVIATION 101.' There is no other category that media hacks botch more than aviati
: Look at this link provided by Zeke, it says the flight plan was Nice-Le Castellet: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20120713-0 This r
: I have jump seated on many airlines and flown with a few "60+ geezers" with thousands of hours and I can honestly say, they are not the best either!
: What is the right age for you ? So we could also say 60 seems to be very old for a GIV captain ?!!!? I've friends who were younger than 24 when the s
: This is horrible news! My prayers are with the families of these victims.
: When I step on an Aircraft, I like to see some gray on my captain or least an older person in the left seat. I have flown with younger pilots but don
: Have any names of the pilots/crew been released? My old flight instructor is now a FO for Universal Jet. He is older than 24, and his facebook had him