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Volaris Applies For BJX-MDW; GDL-SMF  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25442 posts, RR: 49
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Concesionaria Vuela Compañía de Aviación, (dba Volaris) applied with the DOT to add two additional routes to its US network.

Carrier request authorization to operate Leon-Chicago and Guadalajara-Sacramento using a mix of A319/A320 equipment.

Volaris previously had applied for GDL-SMF service following shut down of Mexicana, but never launched the route. Sacramento would be an all new station for the carrier.


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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Both Alaska and Aeromexico started SMF-GDL after Mexicana shut down, so it's not as if there's a gaping hole in that market that needs to be filled. Don't get me wrong, I'm always happy to hear about the possiblity of new service at my home airport, but I'm not sure there's realistically a need for three airlines flying to Guadalajara.

[Edited 2012-07-13 11:08:13]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5439 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

I wonder what Y4's "record" is on starting routes in the U.S. that they've applied for (and gotten approved?) I know that as far as new cities started, MCO is the first station added to their U.S. route map since SAN was added almost exactly a year ago now. Seems to me there must have been some other cities approved but not started? (The OP even mentions the SMF situation although I'm not sure of when that was previously approved... I guess it must have been more than a year ago since they are now re-applying for the route.)

I hope Volaris is not going to follow AM's less than sterling record on starting (or keeping?) applied-for U.S. routes!

bb

[Edited 2012-07-13 11:10:07]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25442 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

The GDL-SMF was approved in February 2011 as part of flurry of applications following MX demise. The one year authority expired, and now Y4 seeks it again.

Yes agreed 3 players could be much, however Y4 does have the lowest cost of the bunch, so I suppose it could pinch the other two a bit.



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User currently offlineeagle125 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3435 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
I wonder what Y4's "record" is on starting routes in the U.S. that they've applied for (and gotten approved?)

Didn't Volaris apply for and receive approval for DFW-MEX over a year and a half ago? Wonder if NK's DFW-TLC route wiped out these plans, or perhaps something else.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25442 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Yes also following the MX demise they did seek the Mexico City-Dallas/Ft. Worth authority as part of the large land grab, however they never did commit to a DFW starting date in their application.


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User currently offlineWHatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
The GDL-SMF was approved in February 2011 as part of flurry of applications following MX demise. The one year authority expired, and now Y4 seeks it again.

Yes agreed 3 players could be much, however Y4 does have the lowest cost of the bunch, so I suppose it could pinch the other two a bit.

If Y4 does in SMF what they've accomplished in FAT, AM won't be a major factor in the market for long.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
I wonder what Y4's "record" is on starting routes in the U.S. that they've applied for (and gotten approved?)

It seems like about 2-3 months ago, Y4 applied for both MEX-DEN and MEX-SFO.

Not a word since......   

???

I somehow don't recall these things usually taking so long.

 


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25442 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

The MEX-DEN and SFO authority blessing was issued on June 18th.


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User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Carrier request authorization to operate Leon-Chicago and Guadalajara-Sacramento using a mix of A319/A320 equipment.

Good to see some news from them when it comes to Chicago, even its a route authority. The last time Chicago-BJX was flown non stop was by Mexicana but on seasonal basis during the summer and holidays. I think this is what Y4 may be targeting instead of the one stop via MTY that AM has at the moment. Let's see if Y4 does start this route, maybe they will have MDW-MEX go daily.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5439 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
I wonder what Y4's "record" is on starting routes in the U.S. that they've applied for (and gotten approved?) I know that as far as new cities started, MCO is the first station added to their U.S. route map since SAN was added almost exactly a year ago now.

Hmmm. Well, I've certainly gotten some answers to my question -- not a real positive record for getting U.S. routes off the ground for Volaris. But then I know as well as anyone that Mexico, in general, is not a super popular destination these days but I would have thought GDL and MEX (with presumably mostly vfr and business traffic, as oppopsed to heavy tourist markets) wouldn't be as affected as many cities in Mexico.

So, I guess we just wait and see which routes actually see service on Y4.

bb


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
The MEX-DEN and SFO authority blessing was issued on June 18th.

Wow! Thank you for that info, sometimes one can leave this site for a few days..... and things can get missed, eh?

In the meantime, any schedule announcements, or something of that sort?


 


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17515 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 9):
Let's see if Y4 does start this route, maybe they will have MDW-MEX go daily.

They've recently pulled MDWMEX down further; Y4 can't seem to really break beyond 2 daily trips out of MDW to about 4 +/- destinations.



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User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
They've recently pulled MDWMEX down further; Y4 can't seem to really break beyond 2 daily trips out of MDW to about 4 +/- destinations.

Y4 does break the 2 daily roundtrips. Volaris only flies MDW-MEX daily during high season. The flights go back to 4X weekly during low season. At the moment they have 3 daily flights at MDW; 1x daily GDL, 1x daily MEX, 5x weekly MLM and 2x weekly ZCL. Some days MDW does see four Y4 flights during high season when the second GDL flight is operated.

Volaris has only flown to four of the nine destinations in Mexico in which it has been granted rights from Chicago; GDL, MEX, MLM and ZCL. Other route authorities granted from Chicago; AGU, CUN, MTY, PVR and TLC.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17515 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 13):

Y4 does break the 2 daily roundtrips.

Not consistently. They'll grow it to around 3/day for the peak summer but not much seems to stick. GDL made it up to 2 daily briefly; MEX doesn't stay daily outside of the peak periods; it looks like ZCL is gone... I think the big problem is the fares from CHI to Mexico are so cheap to begin with that Y4 couldn't stimulate much beyond the existing demand, and certainly not at a premium.



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User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
They'll grow it to around 3/day for the peak summer but not much seems to stick. GDL made it up to 2 daily briefly; MEX doesn't stay daily outside of the peak periods;

That's how it has been since the routes started. MDW-MEX flight since it started has been kept at 4X weekly during low season. Almost all of Y4's flights out MEX into the U.S. don't fly daily during the low season except LAS. LAX-MEX flight is going 5x weekly from daily.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
it looks like ZCL is gone...

Not seeing where you say MDW-ZCL is gone. You are able to book that flight for the rest of the year and into next year.   


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 873 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3036 times:
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Quoting Yflyer (Reply 1):
Both Alaska and Aeromexico started SMF-GDL after Mexicana shut down, so it's not as if there's a gaping hole in that market that needs to be filled.


AS is dropping SMF-GDL in the fall. Capacity will go to SJC-GDL which will operate daily starting Dec. 14th

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17515 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 15):
Not seeing where you say MDW-ZCL is gone. You are able to book that flight for the rest of the year and into next year

It was canceled beyond SEP12 in OAG--should appear this weekend if they meant to cancel it. Looks like it's gone on the website starting OCT12. Could be just a Fall cancellation.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 15):

That's how it has been since the routes started.

No they've tried a bunch of additions here and there, and they always come back to around 2 daily departures.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 15):
LAX-MEX flight is going 5x weekly from daily.

Y4 was late to the party on LAXMEX so they weren't able to build much capacity in the market. GDLLAX however, they operate up to 3-4 daily.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2957 times:
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Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 15):
That's how it has been since the routes started. MDW-MEX flight since it started has been kept at 4X weekly during low season. Almost all of Y4's flights out MEX into the U.S. don't fly daily during the low season except LAS. LAX-MEX flight is going 5x weekly from daily.

For some reason Y4 has been very "shy" about increasing service in the MEX-LAX-MEX market. MX flew that route up to 5X daily. At the same time, they were very good about adjusting capacity with their A318/A319/A320s. There were at least a couple A318s a day on MX.
Flying this market only 5X weekly is not going to attract frequent business flyers.
MEX is an interesting market. It seems it's not always easy to gauge. Even AM didn't increase their service until quite sometime after MX's demise. Is it 3-4X daily?
Earlier this year, UA was flying LAX-MEX 3X daily with A319s for the most part and now are down to 1X daily. If anything, I thought we would've seen UA increase their service in this market after the merger with CO since they have a lot of service to Mexico compared to the rest of the US airlines.
I'm glad to see AS has kept their schedule of twice daily.

On the other hand, GDL-LAX-GDL seems to be a much easier, busier market for everyone serving it.

Regarding MDW, I think Y4 is playing it safe like they are from LAX. If the demand is there, perhaps they would increase it. Additionally, wouldn't it be safe to say, the majority flying to Mexico, would normally just fly from ORD and not consider MDW unless they are aware of Y4s service and how they are going to work with WN?

GDL-SMF: Is Y4 trying to run AM out of town? I'd be interested to know how they do against one another @ FAT. AS made a good decision to axe SMF-GDL and move those frequencies down to SJC so they run a daily redeye in this market.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25442 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Reason there is more focus on LAX-GDL vs LAX-MEX is because LAX-GDL is now the larger market, matter of fact its become largest US-Mexico overall.

Top US-Mexico City pairs 2010
LAX-GDL - 718,700
LAX-MEX - 646,596
IAH-CUN - 643,071
IAH-MEX - 611,953
DFW-CUN - 535,420
MIA-MEX - 532.480
ATL-CUN - 513,786


Historically, until early 2000 or so, LAX-MEX used to be the biggest market, often with enplanements 200,000 more than LAX-GDL, however GDL has continues to chip away at MEX and eclipsed them in the last decade.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17515 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 18):
Flying this market only 5X weekly is not going to attract frequent business flyers.

There are really no business flyers to attract in LAX Mexico, especially MEX.



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User currently offlineWHatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 18):
GDL-SMF: Is Y4 trying to run AM out of town? I'd be interested to know how they do against one another @ FAT. AS made a good decision to axe SMF-GDL and move those frequencies down to SJC so they run a daily redeye in this market.

Y4 was the underdog for about the first six months and then, it all changed. By November last year, Y4 moved ahead of AM. In January, when both carriers were running daily, Y4 had about 66% of the market, with both carriers running loads close to or in the 90s. AM has been less than weekly since. AM is now running mostly 3X a week with a mix of 700's and 800's. Y4 runs daily with extra sections from time to time, upgrades to 320's, and pretty much is sold out three to four days a week. Average passenger load out of Fresno in May was 128 pax per flight. Loads are healthy. Fares have come up.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23034 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 13):
Other route authorities granted from Chicago; AGU, CUN, MTY, PVR and TLC.

AGU and MTY are pipe dreams. The others might work at some point. TZ did fly MDW-CUN (and MDW-GDL, which was and is probably the strongest MDW-Mexico route) for much of its MDW hub days



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User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
It was canceled beyond SEP12 in OAG--should appear this weekend if they meant to cancel it. Looks like it's gone on the website starting OCT12. Could be just a Fall cancellation.

Interesting. I know they did change the schedule for MDW-ZCL operating Thursdays and Saturdays to operate Saturdays and Mondays come September.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 18):
For some reason Y4 has been very "shy" about increasing service in the MEX-LAX-MEX market

I think they have been very shy when it comes to increasing international services out of MEX.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 18):
Regarding MDW, I think Y4 is playing it safe like they are from LAX. If the demand is there, perhaps they would increase it. Additionally, wouldn't it be safe to say, the majority flying to Mexico, would normally just fly from ORD and not consider MDW unless they are aware of Y4s service and how they are going to work with WN?

Looking at http://www.bts.gov/ stats for last year it does seem the public knows Y4 flies to Mexico from MDW. Volaris flew more passengers than AM between Chicago and GDL.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
AGU and MTY are pipe dreams. The others might work at some point. TZ did fly MDW-CUN (and MDW-GDL, which was and is probably the strongest MDW-Mexico route) for much of its MDW hub days

Agree about AGU and MTY. ORD-AGU didn't work at all for MX when they flew the route, lasted less than 6 months. MDW- MTY would probably just bleed money now that UA will start ops in December on the route. Vivaaerobus numbers on the route were horrible.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23034 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 23):
MDW- MTY would probably just bleed money now that UA will start ops in December on the route. Vivaaerobus numbers on the route were horrible.

I'm skeptical about ORD-MTY, to be honest. A lot of the business traffic isn't there because many of the industries that are large in Monterrey (e.g. automotive) are not large in Chicago.



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