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Emirates A380 Shower Overflows Into Economy  
User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2190 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30517 times:

According to a letter in The Sydney Morning Herald about a recent A380 Emirates flight from Sydney to Dubai:

Quote:
The plane had "drainage problems". Smelly, dirty water overflowed from sinks, soaking the carpets in the cabin and large volumes of soapy shower water came through the ceiling and into the galley food-preparation area.
My blanket was even requisitioned in the crew's futile attempts to stop the tide. It was not a pleasant experience.

This does not sound good at all!


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30543 times:

Betcha Airbus is rethinking that shower idea.


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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30481 times:

It sounds like the drain mast got plugged which caused the gray water plumbing system to backup everywhere. It likely wasn't isolated to the showers, but the showers use a lot of water so that would have been a place where it was noticeable.

The drain mast vents water overboard in flight. The tube on the drain mast is only about 1/8 thick. It can easily clog. A common clog source is coffee grounds from broken coffee bags. Another common source is debris going down sinks. If the drain mast clogs, the whole grey water system will fail on the airplane. This isn't isolated to the A380.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30482 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
Betcha Airbus is rethinking that shower idea.

They're lucky it was shower water...if a black water drain from a toilet let go it would be *much* worse.

Tom.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30432 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):

Hmmm, this was bound to happen at some point...



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31243 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30333 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 4):
Hmmm, this was bound to happen at some point...

I believe there have been issues with leaks from the showers, but isolated to just the showers themselves.


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2190 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30333 times:

Back in 2008 a blockage and subsequent overflow through the aircraft floors knocked out the electrical generators in a Qantas 747 (ATSB release), prompting design and procedural changes. You would hope that the A380 would be protected from a similar situation.


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30213 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
I believe there have been issues with leaks from the showers, but isolated to just the showers themselves.

Yes I know, but ive always thought something like this would happen if a blockage happened in the shower system, wasnt really a fan of this idea when it first came out.



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30164 times:

Kind of a non-issue. Interesting, at least. I wonder how much $$$ damage.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
Betcha Airbus is rethinking that shower idea.

Wait a minute! Are the showers Emirates-installed or an Airbus option? I've always thought it was the former.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 7):
Yes I know, but ive always thought something like this would happen if a blockage happened in the shower system, wasnt really a fan of this idea when it first came out.

It's bound to happen. Have their been any toilet overflows? Can't imagine the situation is any different.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
This isn't isolated to the A380.

Or airplanes for that matter..  yuck 

[Edited 2012-07-13 16:55:56]


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2128 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30158 times:

I think you will find it happens to A and B, I have seen leaks from Bathrooms several times.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 30026 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
Betcha Airbus is rethinking that shower idea.

How much water needs to be pumped into an EK 380 for shower operation?



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 29972 times:

Quoting col (Reply 9):

I think you will find it happens to A and B, I have seen leaks from Bathrooms several times.

I guess the big difference with the A380 is there's more chance of the leak going through onto the deck below and onto passengers, even on a 747 any leak from the toilets or UD galley is more likely to go in the galley below rather than on the passenger seats.


User currently offlineEI912 From Ireland, joined May 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29504 times:

Quoting allrite (Thread starter):
large volumes of soapy shower water came through the ceiling and into the galley food-preparation area.

The shower spas are directly over the economy forward lavatories, not at all near the economy galley which is at ML2/MR2 doors. The F class galley is actually over the Y class galley. The water could have been coming from anywhere based on the writers knowledge of the aircraft. Unfortunate that there was a leak, however, showers or not, these things happen.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3300 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29443 times:

Maybe EK can rethink its cabin layout and place the shower on the first deck for future A380s entering the fleet. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. They could do a bit like SQ has done.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29386 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 8):
Wait a minute! Are the showers Emirates-installed or an Airbus option? I've always thought it was the former.

Airbus gave airlines the option to have it in there I believe as linefit item. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I hope no body pees while taking a shower on that plane. Is there a concern with water from this leak getting into the electrical and avionics bay?



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User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29220 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
Is there a concern with water from this leak getting into the electrical and avionics bay?

I shouldn't think so. The showers are on the top deck. Economy class is below.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31243 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 29160 times:
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Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 13):
Maybe EK can rethink its cabin layout and place the shower on the first deck for future A380s entering the fleet.

One of the nice things about EK's layout, IMIO, is that all premium cabin seating is on the upper deck.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 26446 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
ne of the nice things about EK's layout, IMIO, is that all premium cabin seating is on the upper deck.

One more reason to pay the big bucks for business or first class - no smelly drainage problems in your cabin!


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2781 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25711 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):


How much water needs to be pumped into an EK 380 for shower operation?

If I remember correctly it is 1000 l per flight. They started with more, 1500 l if I remember correctly, but found out that less water is sufficient.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2418 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 24683 times:

I only work with 737's at my airline, however me thinks they use potable water on the A380 to accommodate this feature. I have heard stories about whats inside of a potable water tank and makes me not wanna have a cup of hot chocolate, let alone bathe myself in it..


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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10170 posts, RR: 97
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23308 times:
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Quoting ghifty (Reply 8):
Are the showers Emirates-installed or an Airbus option? I've always thought it was the former.

I'm left with the impression that it will will always be about Airbus on here...  
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
How much water needs to be pumped into an EK 380 for shower operation?

Somewhere close to 2 tonnes I believe

Rgds


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23226 times:
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Quoting EI912 (Reply 12):
The shower spas are directly over the economy forward lavatories, not at all near the economy galley which is at ML2/MR2 doors. The F class galley is actually over the Y class galley. The water could have been coming from anywhere based on the writers knowledge of the aircraft

Exactly my thoughts as well. The water should have come down earlier is it was from the showers.

I have had this happen on a TG 747, when wastewater came down the walls in the in the front galley after 2L/2R. Quite an interesting experience, and the flight attendants futile attempts to stop it was good fun  



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23226 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
Airbus gave airlines the option to have it in there I believe as linefit item. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 20):
I'm left with the impression that it will will always be about Airbus on here...  

Not trying to open that can of worms! I'm merely curious whether or not it's a customer option or third-party installation. I think depending on whether or not Airbus installed it, liability for the incident could vary, no?



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2781 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23151 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
How much water needs to be pumped into an EK 380 for shower operation?
Quoting astuteman (Reply 20):
Somewhere close to 2 tonnes I believe

There was an flightgobal article about this issue:

Quote:
"We're seeing 75% of the first-class seat load factor using the showers, and the actual total consumption on the 14h sector is 1.2-1.3t.

Source and more details: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...s-much-lower-than-forecast-318814/


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10170 posts, RR: 97
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23070 times:
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Quoting ghifty (Reply 22):
Not trying to open that can of worms! I'm merely curious whether or not it's a customer option or third-party installation

I know you weren't my friend.

Quoting ghifty (Reply 22):
I think depending on whether or not Airbus installed it, liability for the incident could vary, no?

It could also vary as to whether it was an installation error, or a operating/using error.
Blockages in plumbing unfortunately do happen, e.g. ...

Quoting allrite (Reply 6):
Back in 2008 a blockage and subsequent overflow through the aircraft floors knocked out the electrical generators in a Qantas 747

They'll probably find a gent's toupee in the drain filter from the shower...  

Rgds


25 Andrensn : Would mold have any affect on an aircraft's ability to fly?
26 Post contains links shankly : .....probably if it was all over the cockpit windows. In all seriousness, leaky bathrooms and airplanes are a bad combo: leaky toilet
27 flylku : Must be heated like a pitot tube? I suspect the damage to the aircraft is less than the cost of the cancellations that followed. At least it was head
28 LuftyMatt : This is precisely why showers on aircraft are a bad idea! It's common sense really, water has the potential to cause so much damage. I don't want to t
29 francoflier : There's been water on large aircrafts for decades... Now there's just more of it. Being the first on board shower system designed for intensive usage
30 tdscanuck : I don't think we'll be pulling the potable water system out of aircraft any time soon, even if the aircraft doesn't have a shower. Most of the electr
31 peanuts : EK would be better off investing in more business lounges equipped with showers as opposed to putting this nonsense on board anyways. Make some roomy
32 glideslope : ROF, from the ceilings into the galley. Not on a 747.
33 Post contains images glideslope : They certainly would.
34 glideslope : Let's hope there are no "Cracked" drain pipes.
35 Post contains images mayor : Ok.......I finally relent and agree with you guys.......now that that Emirates has hot & cold running water in economy as well, I will agree that
36 Post contains images ba286 :
37 wjcandee : Okay, engineering-types...this must be a dumb question: If drain masts routinely clog, why not have, on long-haul aircraft, a couple of backup drain m
38 LuftyMatt : There's no where near as much water in a standard potable water system, and it's much less likely to flow out of the toilet/sink into the cabin and c
39 mayor : Well, not sure how the systems are on newer a/c, but the potable water and toilets are completely separate systems, so there's not much chance of tha
40 Post contains images ghifty : Extra weight? Lack of space? +1. It's probably cheaper and more cost effective for them to out real showers on the ground anyways. Convert the shower
41 Aesma : Showering on a plane is unique and makes you save time (and pass time), no comparison possible with showers at the airport. I'm not that sure it was o
42 penguins : I was on a Qantas B743 in mid-'08 and some water leaked from F into J and he had to divert to HNL. What makes a water leak so "dangerous" planes diver
43 Aesma : Often it's not that it's not safe to fly, it's that there is too few or no lavatories left, and that's a big problem.
44 tdscanuck : Just get rid of the drain mast (they're draggy and get FOD damage). That's what the 787 did. Tom.
45 zhiao : Doesn't like to put lots of glitz and gold in their showers? So technically these are golden showers.
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