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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19627 times:
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Considering the previous one reached the +250 posts quota, level in which uploading info can be hard for users using low speed internet connections, we are opening the new thread, number 14

Link to the previous one:
Brazilian Aviation News 13 (by Rafabozzolla Mar 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)


Enjoy the website

Felipe


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 20183 times:
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Recent developments

- Tam to upgauge GRU-LIM to A332 (currently A320)
- Gol to fly GRU-VVI, GRU-ASU and GRU-MVD non-stop. Drops GRU-CGR-VVI and GRU-CWB-ASU. MVD-POA continues
- Tam to have 10 extra flights GRU-MVD due to Pluna current situation
- AR to fly GIG-BUE 31x weekly (21x AEP, 3x AEP via IGR, 7x EZE)
- Emirates confirmed DXB-GIG-EZE load factor around 80%, GIG leads premium traffic, EZE leads leisure.
- Tam to fly GIG-MCO daily with A332 by Oct 29
- Tam to upgrade GIG-CDG/FRA/JFK to daily



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20066 times:

Also the revised schedule for S4 new LIS-SSA-LIS service:
S4 851 LIS1320 – 2000SSA 313 5
S4 850 SSA2205 – 0820+1LIS 313 6
Weekly Service from 27th September.
Taken from S4 website


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19676 times:
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TAM Cargo's (Operado por ABSA Cargo) first aircraft arrived at GIG on Sunday.

B-767-316F/ER (PR-ADY)

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User currently offlinejmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19571 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
TAM Cargo's (Operado por ABSA Cargo) first aircraft arrived at GIG on Sunday.

Nice livery! More beautiul then TAM´s current livery.

Does any one know when TAM will start flying to MIA with the 77W?

Cheers,

JMBARROS12



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19423 times:
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Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 4):
Does any one know when TAM will start flying to MIA with the 77W?

First flight with 77W scheduled to Oct 5 as GRU-MIA (both flights) and MIA-GRU (JJ8091). JJ8093 begins with 77W only Oct 6

One A332 goes by the end of October to fly GIG-MCO daily

The other one is under analysis of potential upgrades in Europe (expected that JFK-GIG becomes daily by October 28 also) or North America.

JFK-GRU expected for November (upgauge) but subject to 77W delivery confirmation.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19409 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):

With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19397 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
Tam to upgauge GRU-LIM to A332 (currently A320)

well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
TAM Cargo's (Operado por ABSA Cargo) first aircraft arrived at GIG on Sunday.

B-767-316F/ER (PR-ADY)

so all Absa will change to TAM Cargo? Well it least end of the month TAM cargo will disapear on the Freight AWB's ...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...

head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19351 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.

Well LAN is a very "cargo-centric" airline; and now TAM is as well.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
so all Absa will change to TAM Cargo? Well it least end of the month TAM cargo will disapear on the Freight AWB's ...

It will be branded as TAM Cargo operated by ABSA Cargo. LAN Cargo is transferring another B763F to TAM Cargo very soon, (PR-ADZ). This is in anticipation of the two new B-777Fs joining LAN Cargo's fleet later this year.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.

Also, TAM is expected to increase frequency on both the BSB-MIA and CNF-MIA routes later this year. So we'll just have to wait and see which a/c are deployed on certain routes. The 4 new B77Ws that TAM will receive this year will free up 4 A332s, (one is already going to operate the GIG-MCO route).


User currently offlinejmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19309 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
First flight with 77W scheduled to Oct 5 as GRU-MIA (both flights) and MIA-GRU (JJ8091). JJ8093 begins with 77W only Oct 6

Thanks, Lipe!

There are few 77W operators to/from MIA, right?

Cheers,



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 19115 times:
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LH will suspend MUC-GRU during a short period between Dec 24 and Jan 1.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...

As TAM decided to concentrate AEP in São Paulo, they replaced in fact 1 A332 previously used on GRU-EZE with 1 A32A to fly GRU-AEP. It's a shift between AEP and LIM. Of course, there's more room on the A32A fleet and therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.

Could be, but the biggest reason is the need to use a smaller plane in AEP compared to EZE.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.

I'm very skeptical about upgrades nowadays. Very few routes justify them, and mostly will happen due to aircraft availability rather than route performance.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 19083 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
As TAM decided to concentrate AEP in São Paulo, they replaced in fact 1 A332 previously used on GRU-EZE with 1 A32A to fly GRU-AEP. It's a shift between AEP and LIM. Of course, there's more room on the A32A fleet and therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).

Ok, so GRU-SLZ will operate 2x daily A32A; which will replace the A-319 that operates one of the two daily flights.

Flights to BUE operate as:
JJ: GRU-AEP 3x daily A32A
JJ: GRU-EZE 2x daily A32A daily, A332 daily
JJ: GIG-EZE 3x daily A32A
PZ: ASU-EZE-GRU 2x daily A320
4M: EZE-GRU 2x daily A320

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
Could be, but the biggest reason is the need to use a smaller plane in AEP compared to EZE.

It's also to increase capacity on the GRU-LIM route since LAN is increasing frequencies on various routes from LIM to México, the U.S. West Coast, the Caribbean, and destinations in northern South America starting in October.


User currently offlinejpyvr From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 18989 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).

GRU-SLZ? Guarulhos to Sao Luis, Maranhao with A32A? Are you sure you didn't mean to type SLC (Santiago, Chile)?

If it is indeed Sao Luis, I'm at a loss to understand why TAM would send a A330 there. Any explanation would be appreciated.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 18952 times:
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Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12):
GRU-SLZ? Guarulhos to Sao Luis, Maranhao with A32A? Are you sure you didn't mean to type SLC (Santiago, Chile)?

It will indeed be deployed on the GRU-SCL route:

JJ8026/LA5950 GRU-SCL A332
JJ8027/LA5951 SCL-GRU A332
JJ8028/LA6016 GRU-SCL A32A
JJ8029/LA6017 SCL-GRU A32A


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 18964 times:
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Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 9):
There are few 77W operators to/from MIA, right?

Currently the daily Air France flight is a 77W, TAM will bring in two more daily 77W's to MIA. At some point in 2013 when AA gets all its 10 77W some will probably be scheduled through Miami. Currently AA has scheduled them to GRU and LHR from DFW and JFK so Miami to either of those seem likely. Hoping for more 77W in MIA.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 18886 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Currently the daily Air France flight is a 77W, TAM will bring in two more daily 77W's to MIA.

AF will reduce frequency on the CDG-MIA route to 6x weekly for the Northern Winter season; thus TAM will be the only carrier that will operate the B77Ws into MIA on a daily basis during the Northern Winter season. The introduction of the B77Ws on the GRU-MIA route will result in a significant increase in capacity on the GRU-MIA route since TAM’s B77Ws have 63% more seats than the A332s. The same will apply to the GRU-JFK route when TAM deploys the B77W on the route.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 18700 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
I'm very skeptical about upgrades nowadays. Very few routes justify them, and mostly will happen due to aircraft availability rather than route performance.

well as per my understanding the JJ flight into CCS is always good booked, at lesat the time I used it, they grabed also a good bunch of the Argentina - Venezuela - Argentina traffice via GRU.

also cargo on the northbound is a money maker - southbound its a totally different storry.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18683 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 16):
also cargo on the northbound is a money maker - southbound its a totally different storry.

Yep, ABSA operates VCP-CCS 4x weekly and VCP-VLN 2x weekly. Also, TAM wasn't a "cargo-centric" airline before LAN took over TAM. You know the LAN method; which is to use pax a/c as freighters, i.e. LAN Perú operates LIM-CCS daily with the B763.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18707 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
VCP-VLN 2x weekly

it was just downsized to 1 wekly, lets, see if they will be back with 2 x weekly in august...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
LAN Perú operates LIM-CCS daily with the B763.

+ 1 weekly freighter, if I am not wrong via IQQ



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18691 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
it was just downsized to 1 wekly, lets, see if they will be back with 2 x weekly in august...

Perhaps when PR-ADZ joins TAM Cargo's fleet; which is imminent. Also, MIA-VLN is operating 3x weekly as wet lease flights operated by identified third-party airline for LAN Cargo.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18734 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
Perhaps when PR-ADZ joins TAM Cargo's fleet; which is imminent. Also, MIA-VLN is operating 3x weekly as wet lease flights operated by identified third-party airline for LAN Cargo.

well I think rigt now it has more to do with the demand than with lack of aircraft.

yes its leadjet, and looks like LAN sold also the complete space to them on the reestablished 2 x weekly MIA-CCS flights



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18650 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):
well I think rigt now it has more to do with the demand than with lack of aircraft.

This is why LATAM cargo affiliates change cargo routes very frequently. Right now LATAM is building a new storage unit at GRU:

Chile Latam Airlines Aims to Boost Cargo to 25% of Sales


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18585 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 2):
Also the revised schedule for S4 new LIS-SSA-LIS service

S4 could have revised the entire route. If they operated PDL-FOR, instead of LIS-SSA, they would not have to share their pax with TP and would operate their 313 to Brazil for less time.
VR currently does something similar out of Cape Verde, but S4 has the advantage of having a stronger base in Azores.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18526 times:
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- Condor decided to run FRA-GIG 2x weekly instead of 3x weekly during IATA winter 2012/2013

- IB will reduce MAD-GRU from 13x weekly to 10x weekly eff. Aug 10

Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12):
GRU-SLZ? Guarulhos to Sao Luis, Maranhao with A32A? Are you sure you didn't mean to type SLC (Santiago, Chile)?


It is SLZ indeed. THe A32A means the A320 with Business Class, used for AEP, GIG-EZE late night, GIG-GRU-SCL night, GRU-BOG/CCS. As the fleet is deployed on a lot of daylight flights, during the night TAM uses them on flights such as GIG-BEL, GIG-FOR and GRU-SLZ among others.
Business Class is not available for sale, but they allow Red and Black TAM Frequent Flyers to fly there.

Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12):
it is indeed Sao Luis, I'm at a loss to understand why TAM would send a A330 there. Any explanation would be appreciated.

I think i covered it above. Right ?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18454 times:
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- US Airways to upgauge CLT-GIG to A332 during IATA winter 2012/2013


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25 SCL767 : TAM launches GIG-MCO daily on 12NOV12: JJ8114 GIG-MCO A332 JJ8115 MCO-GIG A332 TAM will deploy the B77W daily on the GRU-MIA route starting on 15OCT12
26 sampa737 : Does British still fly GRU-EZE? I've flown that route at least twice in the past.
27 SCL767 : No, BA operates both LHR-GRU and LHR-EZE as non-stop services.
28 SJOtoLIR : So they're changing their plans once again. Perhaps the competition offered by both LH and JJ is the fact against more weekly services on DE FRA-GIG.
29 SCL767 : It reduces to 5x weekly for a month starting in January.
30 LipeGIG : Effective Sep 10, AIres (Lan Colombia) will fly BOG-GRU daily with A320 instead of B73G
31 AF086 : Not just FRA-GIG but several other longhauls from FRA will get reductions during JAN13 like FRA-SIN and FRA-JFK so it's not a "GIG thing".
32 SCL767 : LAN Colombia planned on operating the BOG-GRU route 6x weekly with the A320, but was recently awarded an additional frequency to make it a daily serv
33 AF086 : If the cuts were longer I would agree but it doesn't make sense given it's for a very brief period of time. Looks like there's something to do with t
34 SJOtoLIR : TAM currently operates the GIG-EZE sector as 14x weekly with 32A + 7x weekly with 330.
35 AF086 : Apparently JJ will cancel it's GRU-BOG services. EFF 10SEP12 JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY CANCELL
36 RCS763AV : Dafuq! No really, I thought that LATAM were going to put up a serious flight against AviancaTaca on this core south american market...guess the best
37 SJOtoLIR : LA BOG-GRU goes from 2x to 6x weekly... The withdrawal of JJ GRU-BOG 7x weekly is trying to boost LA BOG-GRU 6x weekly. Regards.
38 SCL767 : Indeed, LAN Colombia plans to operate the route daily and LAN intends to eventually deploy the B-767-316ER daily on the route. Also, LAN Colombia off
39 SCL767 : In October, LA will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 38x weekly. Also, TAM has reversed its decision to deploy the A332 on the SCL-GRU route
40 bmibaby737 : Although possibly off-topic or boring to some, I thought this would be the best place to ask. I wonder if anyone could tell me the configurations for
41 SCL767 : TAM will now operate the GRU-MIA route daily with the B77W starting on 19SEP12: JJ8090 GRU-MIA B77W Daily JJ8091 MIA-GRU B77W Daily TAM will deploy th
42 A388 : How is demand on the BOG-GRU routing? LAN Colombia is using the A320 on the route while AV uses the 332. LAN Colombia as per earlier posts intends to
43 AF086 : Lufthansa requested a new schedule for their FRA-GIG flight. EFF 28OCT LH500 FRA 2310 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY LH501 GIG 2138 FRA 1338 A343 DAILY Until 27O
44 SCL767 : It's interesting to note that TAM is still selling tickets for its flights between GRU and BOG well into December...
45 Atlflyer : Does anyone know when TAM will receive the first 77W with the newly redesigned cabin?
46 AF086 : It was a glitch at JJ reservation system. They zero'd out BOG for a week but apparently they loaded again.
47 SCL767 : Yep, TAM is NOT dropping the GRU-BOG route in the near-term.
48 AF086 : That's good because it didn't make any sense to do so.
49 C010T3 : The times at FRA are wrong actually. LH500 departure will be at 2210 and LH501 arrival at 1238. Don't forget the night flight ban.
50 A388 : What's their schedule and which aircraft type is used to BOG? A320 or A332? Daily flights or not? A388
51 Post contains links SCL767 : I would say very soon. Here is PT-MUE at KPAE: http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/7744095890/in/photostream
52 AF086 : That's true so consider: LH500 FRA 2210 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY LH501 GIG 2138 FRA 1238 A343 DAILY Daily A320 service: JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 -
53 A388 : Thanks, now I see why I didn't see them there. I did see AR's A343 in the airline's new colors which was very beautiful. I did see IB's A346 taxi whe
54 Post contains links and images SCL767 : You will be happy to know that AR will increase frequency on the BOG-EZE route to 5x weekly (A343). Also, LAN Colombia currently uses the B-737-700 o
55 AF086 : Just a small correction. JJ flights to BOG were loaded again but the system shows that the frequencies were decreased from Daily to 5x weekly: EFF 10
56 C010T3 : Not necessarily. That's only what the GDS is saying. LA's flights are still not loaded, so expect changes. From what's been explained, both LA and JJ
57 RCS763AV : Well that's fun, given Argentina hasn't been willing to revise the current air service treaty that limits flights to four times a week. The last time
58 summa767 : But LAN now shows only 2 weekly BOG-GRU again from 10th September, with 737 and not A320. These people are all over the place in their decisions. TAM
59 SCL767 : It showed 5x weekly on AR's website, now it shows 3x weekly...It's a shame that BOG-EZE can't operate as a daily service for either carrier. Currentl
60 C010T3 : Yes, because there is something wrong with scheduling.
61 SCL767 : They should be since O6 will have to replace TAM very soon in the Brazilian domestic market for the Star Alliance. Also, it's the long-haul flights t
62 A388 : All well said yes. G3's Q2 loss hasn't to do with the domestic market alone. There are more big airlines posting losses or decreased profits in Q2 an
63 SCL767 : G3 is a domestic low-cost carrier and focuses mainly on domestic routes with-in Brasil. The rise in fuel cost could have been contained by proper hed
64 A388 : Okay so you say it yourself, their loss has little to do with the domestic market being profitable or not. Your description of G3 might give O6 even
65 SCL767 : By focusing mainly on the low-yielding domestic market; it exacerbated G3's Q2 loss. Since G3 is primarily a domestic carrier; G3 is more susceptible
66 A388 : Competition will always be there, it's better to gradually grow first before taking steps prematurely and have more risks. A388
67 SCL767 : However competition on regional routes with-in South America, long-haul routes to Europe from Brazil, and especially long-haul routes to North Americ
68 A388 : I don't have a crystal ball to see whether O6 can or cannot replicate it. I agree with you, competition is growing but it doesn't mean a new airline
69 winGl3t : Focusing on low yield domestic market? I'm sorry but this statement show a clear lack of knowledge on Brazilian domestic network. Gol is, just as TAM
70 Post contains links SCL767 : And both of these carriers have recently reduced capacity on many domestic routes in order to increase yields; especially since the Brazilian economy
71 winGl3t : Both airlines reduced capacity on low yield / leisure oriented routes, which is a clear sight that they are not focusing mainly on the low-yielding s
72 winGl3t : TAM Q2 2012 losses: BRL 928M, roughtly USD 460M LATAM Q2 2012 profit: USD 50M
73 SCL767 : LATAM's results reflect TAM's last 8 days during Q2; whereby TAM recorded a lost of 14M USD. Now that LAN basically owns and manages TAM; LATAM will
74 SCL767 : LATAM in the short-term: 1. ABSA Cargo is now TAM Cargo; new cargo facilities for GRU and CGH. 2. TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-MIA and GRU-JF
75 RAGAZZO777 : It's about time..!
76 Post contains images SCL767 : Well you know LAN and TAM have been planning this for almost 8 years. LIM will begin to experience significant passenger growth during Q4. LA operate
77 C010T3 : That would make a lot of sense in terms of branding, but LAN needs to invest in connecting ASU to both SCL and LIM adequately, so that LAN's fleet ca
78 SCL767 : LAN Perú planned to launched LIM-ASU last year but did not launch that route. Also, TAM Paraguay currently operates the ASU-SCL route. LAN could tak
79 C010T3 : No, that's not it. PZ flies all TAM routes to/from Paraguay. That happens because it is part of the aircraft rotations to leave ASU and continue as p
80 A388 : Keep going, you're doing good. You keep forgetting that just like LAN has grown over the years, AV is expanding gradually. AV knows what they are doi
81 SCL767 : LA would have to rotate the a/c at either LIM or GRU. LA would also be able to use TAM maintenance at GRU. However, since Paraguay is offering incent
82 AF086 : Been hearing that for a LONG time and so far...nothing. TAM's latin american network at GIG is abysmal serving only EZE from there. No flights to SCL
83 SCL767 : During LATAM's conference call, LATAM's management stated that they are focused on increasing frequencies and capacity to the U.S. primarily from SCL
84 AF086 : Maybe. But the facts are: this GIG-LIM service by either LP and JJ is being rumoured for a very long time and nothing has happened. The only airline
85 SCL767 : Right now, but things will change drastically. About GIG-MVD, LATAM is waiting to see the outcome of the PU auction.
86 A388 : Really? Which airline group does G3 have? I know there is LATAM and AV/TA. A388
87 SCL767 : The GOL Group controls 23% of capacity in South America whereas Avianca-TACA controls a mere 12% of capacity in South America.
88 A388 : And that capacity is mainly in Brazil which is not South America as a whole. I'm talking about South American airline groups. A388
89 SCL767 : So now the GOL Group is not a South American airline group? Why don't you describe for us what you define as a South American airline group?
90 A388 : South America implies more than one country, meaning an airline group that operates throughout South America in the same way LATAM operates throughou
91 C010T3 : One country that represents 50% of the continent.
92 SCL767 : So now your saying that the GOL group is not a South American airline group because it doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries? Wha
93 A388 : G3 doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries in the way AV/TA and LATAM have who are the number one and two South American airline gr
94 SCL767 : Once again, GOL airlines group is the second largest airline group in South America. A388, you can make up whatever your definition of a South Americ
95 A388 : Again I disagree with you but let's move on. A388
96 A388 : Regarding G3, what's the status on their Caribbean flights? Will they add more flights to their existing schedule or add more destinations or change t
97 Rafabozzolla : I have to agree with SCL767 that any airline based in any South American country is a South American airline.
98 A388 : Of course they are, I was only referring to airline groups that have bases/hubs in more then one country. In that case, the only two groups are LATAM
99 SCL767 : It's important to note that G3 has more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA; which only has two hubs in South America. G3 also has a significant
100 A388 : No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil. A388
101 SCL767 : Brazil is in South America! G3 operates more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA.
102 A388 : No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil. A388
103 SCL767 : So according to your statement, Brazil is not part of South America? It would be great if you could start a separate thread about this subject since
104 A388 : Please read my explanation in reply 98 before posting. A388
105 Post contains links SCL767 : Back to Brazilian Aviation, LATAM will invest USD20 million to build a new cargo facility at Guarulhos Airport and will upgrade cargo facilities at Co
106 Post contains links and images A388 : Good news. I do like the ABSA Cargo colors much more then the TAM Cargo one: View Large View MediumPhoto © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Phot
107 Rafabozzolla : The problem is that you are working with a definition that you, and you alone agree with... You can't expect other to fit into your somewhat "particu
108 jumpjets : Oh dear oh dear, we are heading for the same arguments that sank the 'who flies to six continents' thread a while back when war broke out over whethe
109 A388 : No, I am not. Let's move on shall we. A388[Edited 2012-08-16 05:31:07]
110 A388 : Thank you jumpset, finally someone how understands what I'm saying. A388
111 LipeGIG : That's very good and i hear that also. They plan to increase traffic from Lima, Buenos Aires and Santiago thru their "Rio Hub" which lead me think th
112 SCL767 : LA currently operates SCL-GIG 2x daily (A320); either LAN or TAM will add a new daily frequency on the SCL-GIG route. LATAM will increase frequencies
113 Avianca : that would be of course cargo related, not a bad move!
114 SCL767 : It would also mobilize more pax via the LIM hub from Brazil; which will enable LAN to offer new connections via LIM. It would increase competition on
115 Post contains links SCL767 : Interesting analysis from CAPA about TAM and Gol's strategy to increase international fights from Brazil. TAM's international market-share will increa
116 A388 : Interesting article indeed, I'm especially interested in Gol's plans for international expansion. What happened to their planned Brazil-CCS-MIA fligh
117 Avianca : it was rejected by Venezuela (INAC) - no surprise at all, but really a shame specially with these high prices these days ex CCS !!
118 SCL767 : G3 is not expanding its international operations; G3 is merely restructuring its international services. G3 used to operate POA-MVD 2x daily, G3 now
119 SCL767 : Effective 10SEP12 LAN Colombia will operate the BOG-GRU route daily with the B-737-700. Flights are already loaded on LAN.com Schedule: LA3505 BOG 05:
120 Post contains links A388 : Thanks guys. Regarding G3's MIA plans, what will happen now and why was it rejected by the INAC? There was also talk about G3 wanting to set up a hub
121 SCL767 : LAN continues to add more flights into GRU. Effective 17DEC12, LA will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 41x weekly. Thus LATAM will operate
122 AF086 : In the end JJ operated flights between GRU and BOG WILL be cancelled. JJ already sent a press release to the market informing that the GRU-BOG service
123 SCL767 : TAM should not be calling LAN Colombia "AIRES". LAN Airlines has changed the name to LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. On LAN.com, all flights operated by L
124 AF086 : TAM didn't call LAN Colombia, Aires. I did. They called it LAN Colombia. As for they type the release is pretty clear: the route will be operated by
125 SCL767 : It's on a B-737-700 on LAN.com and on TAM.com.br/ LAN Colombia applied to operate the route with either the B-737-700, A-320 or the B-767-316ER. Thus
126 AF086 : Another "casualty" at GRU: IB will cancel it's BCN-GRU services. EFF31OCT12 IB6853 BCN2100 – 0330+1GRU 340 Su - CANCELLED IB6853 BCN2350 – 0620+1G
127 SCL767 : LATAM NW schedule from BOG, BUE, LIM, and SCL into GIG, GRU and IGU: SCL-GRU 8x daily operated by LA/JJ: SCL-GRU 6x daily operated by LAN (B763 2x dai
128 AF086 : JJ applied (finally) for a new LIM-GIG service: EFF 29OCT12 JJ8060 320 --3-5-7 GIG 0745 LIM 1030 JJ8061 320 --3-5-7 LIM 1255 GIG 2110 The low frequenc
129 Post contains links SCL767 : Here is TAM's newest B77W PT-MTE landing at KPAE today on a customer flight. There's a really nice plane taxing adjacent to TAM's B77W while it is lan
130 LipeGIG : So we will have as expected 2 more daily service to MVD by Latam 3rd GRU-MVD And first GIG-MVD Eff 01/10 JJ8038 GIG 0745 MVD 1050 A32A - Daily JJ8031
131 incitatus : Singapore Airlines is expanding its presence in Brazil with a cargo flight between VCP and Dallas. It lands on Fridays 12:25 and departs at 15:25.
132 Post contains links SCL767 : That's great. LAN Cargo will further expand its presence in Brazil when it receives two new B-777-F16s starting next month. GOL to expand its offerin
133 SCL767 : Effective 10SEP12, LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. will operate the A-320 on the BOG-GRU route daily. LA3505 BOG 05:35 GRU 13:25 Daily A-320 LA3506 GRU 14:
134 andrefranca : It may be slowing but what G3 and JJ charge on domestic fares is just ridiculous, sometimes it's CHAPER to fly to AUA CUR LIM return than going from
135 SJOtoLIR : So the 73G won't be deployed in such route.
136 SCL767 : On 12JAN13, LA will commence seasonal non-stop flights between Santiago and Florianópolis, Brasil for the high season. Service will operates up to 4x
137 Post contains links and images SCL767 : TAM took delivery of PT-MUE today. Scheduled to arrive at CNF at 05:36BRT tomorrow: View Large View MediumPhoto © Royal S King
138 Post contains links PPVRA : Over the Caribbean Sea at the moment: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/T...0/history/20120830/1930Z/KPAE/SBCF
139 SCL767 : Busy day for LATAM at KPAE. TAM should also receive PT-MUF next month.
140 Post contains links RCS763AV : Avianca and Taca unify their brazilian operations, another step forward for the upcoming brand unification, Avianca Brasil will be representing both a
141 Post contains links 744lover : Acording to Azul's CEO David Neelman, international flights out of VCP are not out of scope and could start in 2015 with "bigger airplanes". The big i
142 LipeGIG : So a lot of news: * CM will introduce a 4x PTY-GRU daily flight eff Dec/16 CM702 GRU 0430 PTY 0920 D 738 CM703 PTY 1930 GRU 0420+1 D 738 * TA will red
143 Post contains links SCL767 : Is Qatar Airways going after GOL... Qatar Airways quer comprar a GOL, diz Veja
144 Post contains links 744lover : Not the freshest one.... Gol already denied on a press release... http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado...-com-qatar-acao-diminui-alta.shtml
145 AF086 : Some news: Avianca requested the brazilian aviation authority in increase of their BOG-GIG service to daily: EFF 01DEC12 AV260 - GIG 0940 1310 BOG - D
146 incitatus : If I counted right AA is about to break the 100 flights per week in the Brazilian market with the additions that come in before the end of year - actu
147 AwysBSB : AV and TA should follow LA by using 5th liberty in Brazil, as international flights are not O6's focus. If AV and TA make that, destinations in Merco
148 incitatus : AA Brazil is saying DFW-GIG is going daily for the peak season.
149 LipeGIG : It seems to me too much offer for this moment. Would be better if they deploy the 772 on JFK-GIG, and run MIA-GIG daily to make DFW-GIG daily. AA see
150 incitatus : While I read that DFW-GIG is going daily for peak season, I have not seen it for sale anywhere. Also AA Brazil said the market will have 108 frequenc
151 LipeGIG : What i heard is that due to the fact they are launching (doubt if they will confirm this year-round...performance looks terrible) the daylight JFK-GR
152 incitatus : At first I agree with that, but without knowing actual results I cannot be confident that it would be better to place the 777 into GIG. The 77W is co
153 ghost77 : Airbus excel sheet shows CRUZEIRO DO SUL operated 2 Airbus 300. I've gone to the site pictures and have found nothing. Can someone enlight me which th
154 Post contains links and images AF086 : SC operated two A300B4's: PP-CLA/B. They were both transferred to RG after both airlines merged. There are pictures of them at Airliners: View Large
155 AF086 : Apparently, Condor will keep their new FRA-GIG service after 12/13 winter season. The flight is already bookable into 13 summer season. DE's operation
156 Post contains links SCL767 : The deadline set by the TDLC for LATAM to release slots at GRU for new carriers to launch services on the SCL-GRU route has expired with no carriers s
157 ghost77 : Wow, very nice, thanks for the plugs! I liked the 2nd one livery a lot! g77
158 SCL767 : LATAM will soon begin to increase flights into MVD with three new daily flights; thus LATAM will operate seven daily flights into MVD. On 25OCT12, TA
159 incitatus : The original order was for four aircraft. After receiving two frames painted as Cruzeiro, Varig decided to get the other two painted as Varig so that
160 incitatus : American put out GIG-DFW daily for high season with a slightly different departure time out GIG. It also rounded up GRU-MIA to four daily - previously
161 LipeGIG : I was expecting and heard about GRU-MIA 3x daily + additional weekend flights. I believe it is too much to have both GRU-JFK and GRU-MIA daylights ,
162 incitatus : That is what TAM has year-around. Though with the upgrade to 77W, they are keeping the daylights with A330. The daylight flights don't need to have t
163 LipeGIG : But Incitatus, TAM does that with a clear hub structure and focusing O&D New York. That's easy. Their flights in the morning got passengers from
164 B2468 : Hi, Sorry for the rather silly (only tangentially related to aviation) question, but I figured the Brazilian Aviation thread was the best place to ask
165 Post contains links C010T3 : You should check out these videos: Congonhas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75mBFhDm1ec#t=00m07s Guarulhos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qz0ZlIb73M
166 B2468 : Thanks for the links! However, I only have dial-up internet, so watching anything on YouTube is out of the question. /luddite.
167 incitatus : The AA schedule seems to be anchored in JFK because as we cycle through daylight savings changes, the arrival time in JFK stays around 4:40 pm. The G
168 oneskyjet : Cong-gon-yas Gwa-rule-yos
169 B2468 : Got it...thanks!
170 AF086 : JJ requested their first GIG-SCL services: EFF 25NOV11 JJ8048 GIG 1508 1858 SCL A320- DAILY JJ8049 SCL 0715 1223 GIG A320- DAILY With this new flight,
171 SCL767 : On 15NOV12, TAM will launch GIG-MVD daily: JJ8038 GIG 07:44 MVD 10:50 Daily A-32A JJ8039 MVD 18:30 GIG 21:07 Daily A-32A That's great news! Most likel
172 RAGAZZO777 : Yeah, I'd noticed that like 2 weeks ago. IMO, LP should operate the route with the 767 in order to offer a consistent product for passengers flying G
173 SCL767 : TA will further decrease frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 7x weekly (A-320) in January. LAN Perú plans to add another daily service on the LIM-GRU
174 A388 : And what are TA's plans for the LIM-GRU route starting March? That's when the summer schedules start and most airlines start increasing their frequen
175 SCL767 : Perhaps someone on the Colombian aviation thread can answer that question, (TA is also reducing frequencies on other regional routes via LIM during J
176 AF086 : Apparently KL will increase their GIG services from 4 to 5 weekly: EFF 31MAR13 KL705 - AMS 1115 1755 GIG - 772 - xWeFr KL706 - GIG 2005 1220 AMS - 772
177 Post contains images SCL767 : Tomorrow, TAM will further increase capacity on the GRU-MIA route and will operate GRU-MIA 2x daily with the B77Ws! TAM's newest B77Ws PT-MUE and PT-M
178 SJOtoLIR : As far as I know, DE FRA-MAO even manages charter services in such route. Will this service be available in 2013? . We have now to consider both LIM
179 SCL767 : Are you sure it is not due to TA's less than stellar LFs on the route? No doubt that TA's reduction in frequencies into LATAM's hubs from LIM will be
180 LipeGIG : In the first weeks of operation it was said that EZE was a best performer station than GIG. It seems now that GIG continues moving up going now 5x we
181 SCL767 : TAM is increasing capacity on the GRU-LIM route this month with the A332. LAN will increase frequency on the LIM-GRU route next March. LA is increasi
182 SCL767 : LAN's fleet plans remain very flexible; thanks to the new B-767-316ERs continuously joining the fleet. LAN Perú initially planned to launch LIM-GIG
183 RAGAZZO777 : Really ? I haven't honestly heard any of that. If anything, LP was supposed to increase its flight frequency on the Lima-Madrid route with more non-s
184 SCL767 : LAN Perú can increase frequency on the LIM-MAD route anytime the airline wants too. Currently, LAN Perú is primarily focused on reinforcing frequen
185 LipeGIG : EK will downgauge DXB-GIG-EZE to 77L by December. No difference in F/J seats, but less cargo and Y seats. Seems EZE is not performing as expected and
186 SCL767 : Then perhaps LAN Perú will apply with the ANAC to operate LIM-GIG. Also, LAN Perú might apply for CUZ-IGU 3x weekly as part of its South American t
187 Post contains links RCS763AV : Avianca Brasil have launched their 23rd destination in Brazil, Maceió, with flights from GIG, SSA (continues to GRU) and BSB: http://www.brasilturis.
188 incitatus : Both Lufthansa and Air France are making the first rumblings that the A380 will be deployed to GRU. Lufthansa is saying it will start with the 747-8.
189 SCL767 : On 19NOV12, TAM will launch B77W service on the GRU-JFK route 4x weekly initially; which increases to 9x weekly on 17DEC12: JJ8080 GRU 22:25 JFK 05:25
190 Post contains links SCL767 : The Ecuadorian carrier TAME is interested in launching a direct service between UIO and GRU via LIM utilizing the A-319.
191 Post contains links AF086 : Brazilian press states that Aeromaxico announced that they'll serve GIG 3x weekly with the 767 from May 2013: In english: (...) Rio's flights will be
192 Post contains links jmbarros12 : Guys, This is a great video, of a full to - Leite Lopes (RAO / SBRP), Brazil">RAO-CGH flight, in a JJ´s A320 cockpit. AWSOME! http://www.youtube.c
193 Post contains links SCL767 : Today, TAM launches its third daily flight into MCO! JJ8114 GIG-MCO: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM8114 Also, starting today TAM will increase
194 LipeGIG : Full of news these days... First US A332 on CLT-GIG this weekend First redeye FRA-GIG by LH First GIG-MCO today First A332 on GRU-LIM AA performed JFK
195 SCL767 : Plus today LAN has increased frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 6x daily. Thus, LA/JJ now operate the SCL-GRU route 8x daily offering more connectivit
196 LipeGIG : Be prepared... TAM expects to run GRU-SCL 3x daily. Eff. Jan 02, 2013 JJ8072 GRU 1630 SCL 2050 A32A Daily JJ8073 SCL 2055 GRU 0100 A32A Daily
197 SCL767 : LA/JJ operating SCL-GRU 9x daily really is not surprising since more pax are connecting onto JJ operated flights via GRU. Traffic on the route is gro
198 incitatus : I wonder if this will have a negative effect on LAN's SCL-MAD.
199 SCL767 : Why? The SCL-MAD-FRA flight tends to have high LFs as traffic between SCL and Europe increases.
200 SCL767 : On 25NOV12, TAM will launch GIG-SCL daily utilizing the A-32A. Thus, LA/JJ will offer three daily non-stop flights on the SCL-GIG route. JJ8048 GIG 15
201 AF086 : EFF 14JAN13 AZ670 FCO 1105 1655 FOR MoFr 777 AZ671 FOR 1855 0815 FCO MoFr 777 Schedule is loaded until 27MAR so it is unclear what AZ will do after th
202 incitatus : JJ assigned its 767-300s to additional frequencies in a few US markets over January 2013. GRU-MCO gets an extra 3 x week GIG-MIA gets an extra 4 x wee
203 SJOtoLIR : TAM will also launch the GIG-MVD route soon: JJ 8038.......GIG 07:44............MVD 10:50........Daily.........320 JJ 8039...... MVD 18:30...........
204 LipeGIG : That's a route expected to become 2x daily in 2013. Very high loads for the first week of flights.
205 SJOtoLIR : Caracas is not forming part of the layover to the United States on G3 anymore; so the airline opted for Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic as shown: G3
206 SCL767 : The increase in frequencies actually start on 20DEC2012. Good to see TAM increasing international flights via GIG. With TAM's new GIG-SCL service and
207 AF086 : Yesterday TAME requested their first services to Brazil as follows: EFF17DEC12 TAE511 - UIO 0530 0730 LIM 0830 1630 GRU – 320 - DAILY TAE512 - GRU 1
208 SCL767 : TAM's new flights are now loaded in GDS. TAM will operate: ASU-SCL 3x weekly A-32A GIG-SCL daily A-32A GRU-SCL 3x daily (A-32A 2x daily, B77W daily)
209 SCL767 : TAM continues to expand code-sharing on LAN operated flights. Besides placing its code on the new SCL-GIG-MIA route, TAM now places its code on the GR
210 tonytifao : Anyone has news on new US to CNF or POA routes? Could DL serve CNF? What about the AA POA flight mentioned before?
211 SCL767 : LAN Perú has indicated that it plans to operate a daily non-stop service between Lima and Foz do Iguaçu/Cataratas starting on 01JUL2013. Currently,
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