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Brazilian Aviation News 14  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19614 times:
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Considering the previous one reached the +250 posts quota, level in which uploading info can be hard for users using low speed internet connections, we are opening the new thread, number 14

Link to the previous one:
Brazilian Aviation News 13 (by Rafabozzolla Mar 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)


Enjoy the website

Felipe


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20170 times:
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Recent developments

- Tam to upgauge GRU-LIM to A332 (currently A320)
- Gol to fly GRU-VVI, GRU-ASU and GRU-MVD non-stop. Drops GRU-CGR-VVI and GRU-CWB-ASU. MVD-POA continues
- Tam to have 10 extra flights GRU-MVD due to Pluna current situation
- AR to fly GIG-BUE 31x weekly (21x AEP, 3x AEP via IGR, 7x EZE)
- Emirates confirmed DXB-GIG-EZE load factor around 80%, GIG leads premium traffic, EZE leads leisure.
- Tam to fly GIG-MCO daily with A332 by Oct 29
- Tam to upgrade GIG-CDG/FRA/JFK to daily



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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20053 times:

Also the revised schedule for S4 new LIS-SSA-LIS service:
S4 851 LIS1320 – 2000SSA 313 5
S4 850 SSA2205 – 0820+1LIS 313 6
Weekly Service from 27th September.
Taken from S4 website


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19663 times:
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TAM Cargo's (Operado por ABSA Cargo) first aircraft arrived at GIG on Sunday.

B-767-316F/ER (PR-ADY)

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User currently offlinejmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19558 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
TAM Cargo's (Operado por ABSA Cargo) first aircraft arrived at GIG on Sunday.

Nice livery! More beautiul then TAM´s current livery.

Does any one know when TAM will start flying to MIA with the 77W?

Cheers,

JMBARROS12



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19410 times:
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Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 4):
Does any one know when TAM will start flying to MIA with the 77W?

First flight with 77W scheduled to Oct 5 as GRU-MIA (both flights) and MIA-GRU (JJ8091). JJ8093 begins with 77W only Oct 6

One A332 goes by the end of October to fly GIG-MCO daily

The other one is under analysis of potential upgrades in Europe (expected that JFK-GIG becomes daily by October 28 also) or North America.

JFK-GRU expected for November (upgauge) but subject to 77W delivery confirmation.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19396 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):

With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19384 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
Tam to upgauge GRU-LIM to A332 (currently A320)

well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
TAM Cargo's (Operado por ABSA Cargo) first aircraft arrived at GIG on Sunday.

B-767-316F/ER (PR-ADY)

so all Absa will change to TAM Cargo? Well it least end of the month TAM cargo will disapear on the Freight AWB's ...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...

head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19338 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.

Well LAN is a very "cargo-centric" airline; and now TAM is as well.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
so all Absa will change to TAM Cargo? Well it least end of the month TAM cargo will disapear on the Freight AWB's ...

It will be branded as TAM Cargo operated by ABSA Cargo. LAN Cargo is transferring another B763F to TAM Cargo very soon, (PR-ADZ). This is in anticipation of the two new B-777Fs joining LAN Cargo's fleet later this year.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.

Also, TAM is expected to increase frequency on both the BSB-MIA and CNF-MIA routes later this year. So we'll just have to wait and see which a/c are deployed on certain routes. The 4 new B77Ws that TAM will receive this year will free up 4 A332s, (one is already going to operate the GIG-MCO route).


User currently offlinejmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19296 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
First flight with 77W scheduled to Oct 5 as GRU-MIA (both flights) and MIA-GRU (JJ8091). JJ8093 begins with 77W only Oct 6

Thanks, Lipe!

There are few 77W operators to/from MIA, right?

Cheers,



Go Boeing!
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19102 times:
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LH will suspend MUC-GRU during a short period between Dec 24 and Jan 1.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...

As TAM decided to concentrate AEP in São Paulo, they replaced in fact 1 A332 previously used on GRU-EZE with 1 A32A to fly GRU-AEP. It's a shift between AEP and LIM. Of course, there's more room on the A32A fleet and therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.

Could be, but the biggest reason is the need to use a smaller plane in AEP compared to EZE.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.

I'm very skeptical about upgrades nowadays. Very few routes justify them, and mostly will happen due to aircraft availability rather than route performance.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19070 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
As TAM decided to concentrate AEP in São Paulo, they replaced in fact 1 A332 previously used on GRU-EZE with 1 A32A to fly GRU-AEP. It's a shift between AEP and LIM. Of course, there's more room on the A32A fleet and therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).

Ok, so GRU-SLZ will operate 2x daily A32A; which will replace the A-319 that operates one of the two daily flights.

Flights to BUE operate as:
JJ: GRU-AEP 3x daily A32A
JJ: GRU-EZE 2x daily A32A daily, A332 daily
JJ: GIG-EZE 3x daily A32A
PZ: ASU-EZE-GRU 2x daily A320
4M: EZE-GRU 2x daily A320

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
Could be, but the biggest reason is the need to use a smaller plane in AEP compared to EZE.

It's also to increase capacity on the GRU-LIM route since LAN is increasing frequencies on various routes from LIM to México, the U.S. West Coast, the Caribbean, and destinations in northern South America starting in October.


User currently offlinejpyvr From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18976 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).

GRU-SLZ? Guarulhos to Sao Luis, Maranhao with A32A? Are you sure you didn't mean to type SLC (Santiago, Chile)?

If it is indeed Sao Luis, I'm at a loss to understand why TAM would send a A330 there. Any explanation would be appreciated.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18939 times:
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Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12):
GRU-SLZ? Guarulhos to Sao Luis, Maranhao with A32A? Are you sure you didn't mean to type SLC (Santiago, Chile)?

It will indeed be deployed on the GRU-SCL route:

JJ8026/LA5950 GRU-SCL A332
JJ8027/LA5951 SCL-GRU A332
JJ8028/LA6016 GRU-SCL A32A
JJ8029/LA6017 SCL-GRU A32A


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8420 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18951 times:
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Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 9):
There are few 77W operators to/from MIA, right?

Currently the daily Air France flight is a 77W, TAM will bring in two more daily 77W's to MIA. At some point in 2013 when AA gets all its 10 77W some will probably be scheduled through Miami. Currently AA has scheduled them to GRU and LHR from DFW and JFK so Miami to either of those seem likely. Hoping for more 77W in MIA.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18873 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Currently the daily Air France flight is a 77W, TAM will bring in two more daily 77W's to MIA.

AF will reduce frequency on the CDG-MIA route to 6x weekly for the Northern Winter season; thus TAM will be the only carrier that will operate the B77Ws into MIA on a daily basis during the Northern Winter season. The introduction of the B77Ws on the GRU-MIA route will result in a significant increase in capacity on the GRU-MIA route since TAM’s B77Ws have 63% more seats than the A332s. The same will apply to the GRU-JFK route when TAM deploys the B77W on the route.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18687 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
I'm very skeptical about upgrades nowadays. Very few routes justify them, and mostly will happen due to aircraft availability rather than route performance.

well as per my understanding the JJ flight into CCS is always good booked, at lesat the time I used it, they grabed also a good bunch of the Argentina - Venezuela - Argentina traffice via GRU.

also cargo on the northbound is a money maker - southbound its a totally different storry.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18670 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 16):
also cargo on the northbound is a money maker - southbound its a totally different storry.

Yep, ABSA operates VCP-CCS 4x weekly and VCP-VLN 2x weekly. Also, TAM wasn't a "cargo-centric" airline before LAN took over TAM. You know the LAN method; which is to use pax a/c as freighters, i.e. LAN Perú operates LIM-CCS daily with the B763.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18694 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
VCP-VLN 2x weekly

it was just downsized to 1 wekly, lets, see if they will be back with 2 x weekly in august...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
LAN Perú operates LIM-CCS daily with the B763.

+ 1 weekly freighter, if I am not wrong via IQQ



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18678 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
it was just downsized to 1 wekly, lets, see if they will be back with 2 x weekly in august...

Perhaps when PR-ADZ joins TAM Cargo's fleet; which is imminent. Also, MIA-VLN is operating 3x weekly as wet lease flights operated by identified third-party airline for LAN Cargo.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18721 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
Perhaps when PR-ADZ joins TAM Cargo's fleet; which is imminent. Also, MIA-VLN is operating 3x weekly as wet lease flights operated by identified third-party airline for LAN Cargo.

well I think rigt now it has more to do with the demand than with lack of aircraft.

yes its leadjet, and looks like LAN sold also the complete space to them on the reestablished 2 x weekly MIA-CCS flights



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18637 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):
well I think rigt now it has more to do with the demand than with lack of aircraft.

This is why LATAM cargo affiliates change cargo routes very frequently. Right now LATAM is building a new storage unit at GRU:

Chile Latam Airlines Aims to Boost Cargo to 25% of Sales


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18572 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 2):
Also the revised schedule for S4 new LIS-SSA-LIS service

S4 could have revised the entire route. If they operated PDL-FOR, instead of LIS-SSA, they would not have to share their pax with TP and would operate their 313 to Brazil for less time.
VR currently does something similar out of Cape Verde, but S4 has the advantage of having a stronger base in Azores.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18513 times:
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- Condor decided to run FRA-GIG 2x weekly instead of 3x weekly during IATA winter 2012/2013

- IB will reduce MAD-GRU from 13x weekly to 10x weekly eff. Aug 10

Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12):
GRU-SLZ? Guarulhos to Sao Luis, Maranhao with A32A? Are you sure you didn't mean to type SLC (Santiago, Chile)?


It is SLZ indeed. THe A32A means the A320 with Business Class, used for AEP, GIG-EZE late night, GIG-GRU-SCL night, GRU-BOG/CCS. As the fleet is deployed on a lot of daylight flights, during the night TAM uses them on flights such as GIG-BEL, GIG-FOR and GRU-SLZ among others.
Business Class is not available for sale, but they allow Red and Black TAM Frequent Flyers to fly there.

Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12):
it is indeed Sao Luis, I'm at a loss to understand why TAM would send a A330 there. Any explanation would be appreciated.

I think i covered it above. Right ?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18441 times:
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- US Airways to upgauge CLT-GIG to A332 during IATA winter 2012/2013


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18125 times:
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TAM launches GIG-MCO daily on 12NOV12:
JJ8114 GIG-MCO A332
JJ8115 MCO-GIG A332

TAM will deploy the B77W daily on the GRU-MIA route starting on 15OCT12:
JJ8090 GRU-MIA B77W
JJ8095 MIA-GRU B77W

TAM will deploy the B77W on the GRU-MIA route 2x daily starting on 12NOV12:
JJ8094 GRU-MIA B77W
JJ8091 MIA-GRU B77W


User currently offlinesampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18146 times:

Does British still fly GRU-EZE? I've flown that route at least twice in the past.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18266 times:
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Quoting sampa737 (Reply 26):
Does British still fly GRU-EZE? I've flown that route at least twice in the past.

No, BA operates both LHR-GRU and LHR-EZE as non-stop services.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4545 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18267 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23):
- Condor decided to run FRA-GIG 2x weekly instead of 3x weekly during IATA winter 2012/2013

So they're changing their plans once again.
Perhaps the competition offered by both LH and JJ is the fact against more weekly services on DE FRA-GIG.
I just checked amadeus.net and it displayed LH FRA-GIG on a daily basis during selected days in December.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18237 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 28):
I just checked amadeus.net and it displayed LH FRA-GIG on a daily basis during selected days in December.

It reduces to 5x weekly for a month starting in January.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18245 times:
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Effective Sep 10, AIres (Lan Colombia) will fly BOG-GRU daily with A320 instead of B73G


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18230 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 29):
It reduces to 5x weekly for a month starting in January.

Not just FRA-GIG but several other longhauls from FRA will get reductions during JAN13 like FRA-SIN and FRA-JFK so it's not a "GIG thing".



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18246 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 30):
Effective Sep 10, AIres (Lan Colombia) will fly BOG-GRU daily with A320 instead of B73G

LAN Colombia planned on operating the BOG-GRU route 6x weekly with the A320, but was recently awarded an additional frequency to make it a daily service. Thus, LATAM will soon operate the BOG-GRU route 2x daily with the A320.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 31):
Not just FRA-GIG but several other longhauls from FRA will get reductions during JAN13 like FRA-SIN and FRA-JFK so it's not a "GIG thing".

It's a "Eurozone crisis thing".


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18209 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 32):
It's a "Eurozone crisis thing".

If the cuts were longer I would agree but it doesn't make sense given it's for a very brief period of time. Looks like there's something to do with the fleet. Perhaps they'll stop some for reconfiguration or MRO.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4545 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18219 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
Flights to BUE operate as:
JJ: GRU-AEP 3x daily A32A
JJ: GRU-EZE 2x daily A32A daily, A332 daily
JJ: GIG-EZE 3x daily A32A

TAM currently operates the GIG-EZE sector as 14x weekly with 32A + 7x weekly with 330.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17907 times:

Apparently JJ will cancel it's GRU-BOG services.

EFF 10SEP12

JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY
JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY

CANCELLED

Flights from 10SEPT onwards are already zero'd out in the system.

Apparently TAM is leaving the GRU-BOG services on Aires' hands. By them they'll already be flying to GRU daily.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17941 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 35):
Apparently TAM is leaving the GRU-BOG services on Aires' hands. By them they'll already be flying to GRU daily.

Dafuq! No really, I thought that LATAM were going to put up a serious flight against AviancaTaca on this core south american market...guess the best on board product is winning the battle.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4545 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17664 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 35):
Apparently JJ will cancel it's GRU-BOG services.

EFF 10SEP12

JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY
JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY

CANCELLED

LA BOG-GRU goes from 2x to 6x weekly...
The withdrawal of JJ GRU-BOG 7x weekly is trying to boost LA BOG-GRU 6x weekly.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17644 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 35):
Apparently TAM is leaving the GRU-BOG services on Aires' hands. By them they'll already be flying to GRU daily.

Indeed, LAN Colombia plans to operate the route daily and LAN intends to eventually deploy the B-767-316ER daily on the route. Also, LAN Colombia offers a better schedule for connections via GRU, (LA3505 arrives into GRU at 13:25 and LA3506 departs GRU at 14:30).


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17371 times:
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In October, LA will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 38x weekly. Also, TAM has reversed its decision to deploy the A332 on the SCL-GRU route. JJ8026/JJ8027 will continue to operate with the B77W year-round.

User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17098 times:

Although possibly off-topic or boring to some, I thought this would be the best place to ask.

I wonder if anyone could tell me the configurations for the GOL and Webjet Boeing 737-800 aircraft? A number of sources quote a mix of configurations for the fleet; Y183, Y184, Y186, Y187, Y189 & finally F8Y170 - all too with different engine variants (CFM56-7B-24/26/27). Would be interested in knowing if there is in actual fact all these different configurations, and if there is some logic behind it as to which aircraft have which one.

Many thanks,

bmi.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16658 times:
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TAM will now operate the GRU-MIA route daily with the B77W starting on 19SEP12:

JJ8090 GRU-MIA B77W Daily
JJ8091 MIA-GRU B77W Daily

TAM will deploy the B77W on the GRU-MIA route twice daily starting on 16OCT12:

JJ8094 GRU-MIA B77W Daily
JJ8095 MIA-GRU B77W Daily

As a result, TAM will now launch the new daily GIG-MCO service on 29OCT12 instead of on 12NOV12.

Source: amadeus.net


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16582 times:

How is demand on the BOG-GRU routing? LAN Colombia is using the A320 on the route while AV uses the 332. LAN Colombia as per earlier posts intends to operate the 763 on the route which is no guarantee so why such a big difference?

A388


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16276 times:

Lufthansa requested a new schedule for their FRA-GIG flight.

EFF 28OCT

LH500 FRA 2310 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY
LH501 GIG 2138 FRA 1338 A343 DAILY

Until 27OCT it is:

LH500 FRA 1010 GIG 1830 A343 xWe
LH501 GIG 2130 FRA 1230 A343 xWe

Shifting to two redeye flights LH plans to increse the yields of the route flying at these premium times. LH is taking advantage of the fact that GIG still has prime time slots to offer unlike GRU.

That will put some pressure on TAM since LH's daylight services weren't a match to them due to poor scheduling.

JJ's schedule, so far, for the same period is:

LH0500 FRA 2310 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY
JJ8068 FRA 2015 GIG 0547 A332 MoTuThSa
DE6080 FRA 1040 GIG 1903 B763 Sa
DE1080 FRA 1040 GIG 1903 B763 Mo


LH0501 GIG 2138 FRA 1338 A343 DAILY
JJ8069 GIG 2352 FRA 1450 A332 TuWeFrSu
DE6081 GIG 2155 FRA 1250 B763 Sa
DE1081 GIG 2155 FRA 1250 B763 Mo

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16218 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 35):
Apparently JJ will cancel it's GRU-BOG services.

It's interesting to note that TAM is still selling tickets for its flights between GRU and BOG well into December...


User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16220 times:

Does anyone know when TAM will receive the first 77W with the newly redesigned cabin?

User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16212 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 44):
It's interesting to note that TAM is still selling tickets for its flights between GRU and BOG well into December...

It was a glitch at JJ reservation system. They zero'd out BOG for a week but apparently they loaded again.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16213 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 46):
It was a glitch at JJ reservation system. They zero'd out BOG for a week but apparently they loaded again.

Yep, TAM is NOT dropping the GRU-BOG route in the near-term.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16201 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 47):
Yep, TAM is NOT dropping the GRU-BOG route in the near-term.

That's good because it didn't make any sense to do so.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16246 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 43):
LH500 FRA 2310 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY
LH501 GIG 2138 FRA 1338 A343 DAILY

The times at FRA are wrong actually. LH500 departure will be at 2210 and LH501 arrival at 1238.

Don't forget the night flight ban.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16190 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 48):
That's good because it didn't make any sense to do so.

What's their schedule and which aircraft type is used to BOG? A320 or A332? Daily flights or not?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16189 times:
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Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 45):
Does anyone know when TAM will receive the first 77W with the newly redesigned cabin?

I would say very soon. Here is PT-MUE at KPAE:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/7744095890/in/photostream


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16194 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 49):
The times at FRA are wrong actually. LH500 departure will be at 2210 and LH501 arrival at 1238.

Don't forget the night flight ban.

That's true so consider:

LH500 FRA 2210 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY
LH501 GIG 2138 FRA 1238 A343 DAILY

Quoting A388 (Reply 50):
What's their schedule and which aircraft type is used to BOG? A320 or A332? Daily flights or not?

Daily A320 service:

JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY
JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16199 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 52):
Daily A320 service:

JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY
JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY

Thanks, now I see why I didn't see them there. I did see AR's A343 in the airline's new colors which was very beautiful. I did see IB's A346 taxi when my flight took off. Too bad I didn't catch them either.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16143 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 53):
I did see AR's A343 in the airline's new colors which was very beautiful.

You will be happy to know that AR will increase frequency on the BOG-EZE route to 5x weekly (A343). Also, LAN Colombia currently uses the B-737-700 on the BOG-GRU route twice weekly:


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LA3505 BOG 05:30 GRU 13:25 B-737-700 (Th, Sa)
LA3506 GRU 14:30 BOG 18:30 B-737-700 (Th, Sa)

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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16160 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 53):
Thanks, now I see why I didn't see them there. I did see AR's A343 in the airline's new colors which was very beautiful. I did see IB's A346 taxi when my flight took off. Too bad I didn't catch them either.

Just a small correction. JJ flights to BOG were loaded again but the system shows that the frequencies were decreased from Daily to 5x weekly:

EFF 10SEPT12

JJ8016 GRU1240 – 1640BOG 320 x46
JJ8017 BOG1910 – 0315+1GRU 320 x46



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16220 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 55):
frequencies were decreased from Daily to 5x weekly:

Not necessarily. That's only what the GDS is saying. LA's flights are still not loaded, so expect changes. From what's been explained, both LA and JJ will fly the route. Let's wait and see.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16165 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
You will be happy to know that AR will increase frequency on the BOG-EZE route to 5x weekly (A343).

Well that's fun, given Argentina hasn't been willing to revise the current air service treaty that limits flights to four times a week. The last time AR implied that they were going to start daily flights to BOG they were quickly stopped by the colombian government on their tracks, with of course the full authority to do so. Ms Fernández's protectionist crap should not be encouraged by other countries. Like when they opened up AEP for flights to Brazil but only wanted to do it for AR, Brazil was adamant in saying no. If they want to go 5x weekly, then AV should be able to do so too.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 46):
It was a glitch at JJ reservation system. They zero'd out BOG for a week but apparently they loaded again.

Well, I hope it is. More frequencies on Colombia-Brazil is what is needed, not less. 12x weekly flights are a great schedule. If kept that way, the Colombia-Brazil market will have 35 weekly flights.



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Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 16124 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 55):
Just a small correction. JJ flights to BOG were loaded again but the system shows that the frequencies were decreased from Daily to 5x weekly:

EFF 10SEPT12

JJ8016 GRU1240 – 1640BOG 320 x46
JJ8017 BOG1910 – 0315+1GRU 320 x4

But LAN now shows only 2 weekly BOG-GRU again from 10th September, with 737 and not A320.
These people are all over the place in their decisions.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 56):
Not necessarily. That's only what the GDS is saying. LA's flights are still not loaded, so expect changes. From what's been explained, both LA and JJ will fly the route. Let's wait and see.

TAM 5 x weekly, LAN 2 x weekly.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 15881 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 57):
Well that's fun, given Argentina hasn't been willing to revise the current air service treaty that limits flights to four times a week. The last time AR implied that they were going to start daily flights to BOG they were quickly stopped by the colombian government on their tracks, with of course the full authority to do so.

It showed 5x weekly on AR's website, now it shows 3x weekly...It's a shame that BOG-EZE can't operate as a daily service for either carrier. Currently, AV-TA operates 18 weekly flights into EZE. It will be interesting to see how they can grow their presence in the Argentine market; especially since LATAM is well positioned in that market.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 57):
Like when they opened up AEP for flights to Brazil but only wanted to do it for AR, Brazil was adamant in saying no.

They also opened up AEP for flights to Chile and LAN was allowed to operate non-stop flights into its focus city at AEP. LAN currently operates SCL-AEP 3x daily (A320) and TAM operates GRU-AEP 3x daily (A320). LATAM pax can connect onto various domestic flights operated by LAN Argentina via AEP. Also, LATAM pax can connect onto popular destinations with-in the Argentine Republic such as BRC and USH via EZE.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 15881 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 58):
TAM 5 x weekly, LAN 2 x weekly.

Yes, because there is something wrong with scheduling.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 15587 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 65):
Besides this, I think AV will be focusing on Brazil first which is much better for them.

They should be since O6 will have to replace TAM very soon in the Brazilian domestic market for the Star Alliance. Also, it's the long-haul flights to North America that print money! Just look at the massive loss that G3 posted for Q2. IMO, O6 should be flying long-haul routes from Brasil to the U.S. by now! TAM is significantly increasing capacity on Brasil-Florida routes and plans to increase frequencies and capacity on other routes to the U.S. very soon. Meanwhile, LAN is significantly boosting frequencies into the U.S. from the LIM hub as well as SCL and even GYE. It's not wise focus on one hub and neglect others...


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 15563 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 61):
They should be since O6 will have to replace TAM very soon in the Brazilian domestic market for the Star Alliance. Also, it's the long-haul flights to North America that print money! Just look at the massive loss that G3 posted for Q2. IMO, O6 should be flying long-haul routes from Brasil to the U.S. by now! TAM is significantly increasing capacity on Brasil-Florida routes and plans to increase frequencies and capacity on other routes to the U.S. very soon.

All well said yes. G3's Q2 loss hasn't to do with the domestic market alone. There are more big airlines posting losses or decreased profits in Q2 and it's all for the same reasons.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 15558 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 62):
G3's Q2 loss hasn't to do with the domestic market alone.

G3 is a domestic low-cost carrier and focuses mainly on domestic routes with-in Brasil. The rise in fuel cost could have been contained by proper hedging. G3's international market-share from Brasil is minuscule and G3 does not have a diversified model like TAM. Therefore, G3 is more susceptible to the depreciation of the Brazilian currency.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 15535 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 63):
G3 is a domestic low-cost carrier and focuses mainly on domestic routes with-in Brasil. The rise in fuel cost could have been contained by proper hedging. G3's international market-share from Brasil is minuscule and G3 does not have a diversified model like TAM. Therefore, G3 is more susceptible to the depreciation of the Brazilian currency.

Okay so you say it yourself, their loss has little to do with the domestic market being profitable or not. Your description of G3 might give O6 even more reason to focus on the domestic market first rather then the international market.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 15523 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 64):
Okay so you say it yourself, their loss has little to do with the domestic market being profitable or not.

By focusing mainly on the low-yielding domestic market; it exacerbated G3's Q2 loss. Since G3 is primarily a domestic carrier; G3 is more susceptible to the depreciation of the Brazilian currency.

Quoting A388 (Reply 64):
Your description of G3 might give O6 even more reason to focus on the domestic market first rather then the international market.

O6 should continue to focus on the domestic market and by the time they launch long-haul routes; O6 will face even more competition than ever before.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15476 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 65):
O6 should continue to focus on the domestic market and by the time they launch long-haul routes; O6 will face even more competition than ever before.

Competition will always be there, it's better to gradually grow first before taking steps prematurely and have more risks.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15462 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 66):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 65):
O6 should continue to focus on the domestic market and by the time they launch long-haul routes; O6 will face even more competition than ever before.

Competition will always be there, it's better to gradually grow first before taking steps prematurely and have more risks.

However competition on regional routes with-in South America, long-haul routes to Europe from Brazil, and especially long-haul routes to North America from Brazil continue to increase dramatically. This is evident at GRU, which is slot-controlled. Look at LATAM's international operations at GRU, will O6 ever be able to replicate it? Now LATAM is growing at GIG and has plans to increase regional and long-haul flights at GIG. Plus increasing flights from BSB and CNF into the U.S. LATAM is not the only airline group increasing capacity on profitable flights from Brazil. AA is increasing long-haul flights into Brazil, the EU carriers are increasing flights, the Middle Eastern carriers are increasing flights, etc. By diversifying its operations, carriers like TAM have decreased its risks that have plagued certain other carriers that operate primarily domestic flights with-in Brazil.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15450 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 67):
Look at LATAM's international operations at GRU, will O6 ever be able to replicate it?

I don't have a crystal ball to see whether O6 can or cannot replicate it. I agree with you, competition is growing but it doesn't mean a new airline has to hurry into starting international routes. In no circumstance should an airline rush into something. Time will tell who can do what in the future, that's all we know.

A388


User currently offlinewinGl3t From Brazil, joined Dec 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15449 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 65):



Focusing on low yield domestic market?

I'm sorry but this statement show a clear lack of knowledge on Brazilian domestic network.
Gol is, just as TAM, MUCH more focused on high yield/high frequency markets from CGH, SDU, CNF, BSB, POA and CWB.
Both airlines also have plenty of leisure routes, but are far from being "focusing mainly on the low-yielding domestic market" as a traditional American or European LCC.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15421 times:
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Quoting winGl3t (Reply 69):
I'm sorry but this statement show a clear lack of knowledge on Brazilian domestic network.
Gol is, just as TAM, MUCH more focused on high yield/high frequency markets from CGH, SDU, CNF, BSB, POA and CWB.
Both airlines also have plenty of leisure routes, but are far from being "focusing mainly on the low-yielding domestic market" as a traditional American or European LCC.

And both of these carriers have recently reduced capacity on many domestic routes in order to increase yields; especially since the Brazilian economy continues to show signs of weakness. I guess GOL will make further capacity cuts in the coming weeks. Here's an interesting analysis of the Brazilian domestic market:
Continued erosion in Brazil’s domestic demand triggers stringent capacity discipline for Gol and TAM

Quoting A388 (Reply 68):
I don't have a crystal ball to see whether O6 can or cannot replicate it.
Quoting A388 (Reply 68):
I don't have a crystal ball to see whether O6 can or cannot replicate it. I agree with you, competition is growing but it doesn't mean a new airline has to hurry into starting international routes.

O6 is not a new airline and could launch long-haul flights if AV deployed a couple of A330s over to O6. O6 used to operate the GRU-BOG route, but dropped it. With one A330, O6 could operate GRU-MIA daily. However, it appears that AV is primarily concerned with protecting its hub at BOG from other airlines that have recently set up shop there. Meanwhile, at AV's other "hubs", LATAM is significantly increasing capacity on routes to the U.S. For example, look at the LIM hub, LATAM is increasing capacity not only on regional routes, but also significantly increasing frequencies on domestic routes, as well as on routes to North America. LATAM will soon increase capacity on the LIM-GRU route; which operates 3x daily. LATAM will introduce the A332 on the route daily in October, (LAN already operates the B763 on the route daily). And LIM is already surpassing its designed capacity...

Quoting A388 (Reply 68):
Time will tell who can do what in the future, that's all we know.

Time is saying that GRU hardly has room for more airlines to grow. And this will occur at other airports in Brazil...

[Edited 2012-08-14 14:34:59]

User currently offlinewinGl3t From Brazil, joined Dec 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15416 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 70):

Both airlines reduced capacity on low yield / leisure oriented routes, which is a clear sight that they are not focusing mainly on the low-yielding segment of the domestic market as you stated.


User currently offlinewinGl3t From Brazil, joined Dec 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15425 times:

TAM Q2 2012 losses:
BRL 928M, roughtly USD 460M

LATAM Q2 2012 profit:
USD 50M


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 15377 times:
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Quoting winGl3t (Reply 72):
LATAM Q2 2012 profit:
USD 50M

LATAM's results reflect TAM's last 8 days during Q2; whereby TAM recorded a lost of 14M USD. Now that LAN basically owns and manages TAM; LATAM will implement a series of measures to decrease the effects of the depreciation of the Brazilian currency, and will now control TAM's fuel hedging and all future aircraft deliveries going to TAM will be financed by LATAM Airlines Group. TAM is increasing capacity on certain profitable regional routes, long-haul routes, and will increase both frequency and capacity on other routes in the coming months. Also, now that LAN has begun to cross-sell tickets on TAM's routes, LATAM has already achieved higher than expected synergies during the month of July. If TAM needs to further decrease capacity in the Brazilian domestic market, TAM will transfer a/c over to LAN. If TAM needs to further increase capacity on international routes; LAN will transfer a/c over to TAM. LAN will also launch new routes via Brazil to certain destinations which will further diversify LATAM's operations with-in Brazil.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 15326 times:
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LATAM in the short-term:

1. ABSA Cargo is now TAM Cargo; new cargo facilities for GRU and CGH.
2. TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-MIA and GRU-JFK routes with new B77Ws.
3. TAM will launch GIG-MCO daily in late October with the A332.
4. TAM will increase frequency on both the BSB-MIA and CNF-MIA routes to daily services.
5. TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-LIM route using the A332 in October.
6. TAM will increase frequencies on long-haul routes from GIG later this year and well into next year as LATAM builds up operations at GIG. TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon.
7. LATAM plans to launch 10 new international routes next year from GRU, GIG, and other LATAM hubs.
8. With-in the next two years, LATAM will open 4 new destinations in Europe.
9. LATAM expects synergies to generate USD$700 million in annual cost savings within four years.
10. LATAM continues to grow passenger and cargo operations in the 8 different countries where LATAM has subsidiaries.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 15308 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 74):
TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon.

It's about time..!



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 15300 times:
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Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 75):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 74):
TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon.

It's about time..!

Well you know LAN and TAM have been planning this for almost 8 years. LIM will begin to experience significant passenger growth during Q4. LA operates SCL-GIG two times daily already but a morning flight from GIG is needed to hub with inbound flights from Europe into GIG. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if TAM Paraguay becomes LAN Paraguay...  

edit for typo.

[Edited 2012-08-14 17:14:26]

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15297 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 76):
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if TAM Paraguay becomes LAN Paraguay...

That would make a lot of sense in terms of branding, but LAN needs to invest in connecting ASU to both SCL and LIM adequately, so that LAN's fleet can be used. PZ is a fleetless airline that feeds off JJ. Another problem is PZ's EZE-GRU flights. JJ markets them almost as their own, so it must be thought through if that is not going to affect their performances.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15233 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 77):
That would make a lot of sense in terms of branding, but LAN needs to invest in connecting ASU to both SCL and LIM adequately, so that LAN's fleet can be used. PZ is a fleetless airline that feeds off JJ.

LAN Perú planned to launched LIM-ASU last year but did not launch that route. Also, TAM Paraguay currently operates the ASU-SCL route. LAN could take over both those routes; but not the ASU-VVI, ASU-AGT-GRU, and ASU-GRU routes.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 77):
Another problem is PZ's EZE-GRU flights. JJ markets them almost as their own, so it must be thought through if that is not going to affect their performances.

IMO, this is the only potential issue that is a hindrance. Would the ANAC deny a new Paraguayan carrier Fifth Freedom Rights between EZE and GRU...

A "hypothetical" LAN Paraguay could potentially operate:
ASU-AGT-GRU
ASU-GRU
ASU-LIM
ASU-MAD
ASU-MIA
ASU-MVD
ASU-SCL
ASU-VVI
*ASU-EZE-GRU

*Questionable.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15262 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 78):
LAN could take over both those routes; but not the ASU-VVI, ASU-AGT-GRU, and ASU-GRU routes.

No, that's not it. PZ flies all TAM routes to/from Paraguay. That happens because it is part of the aircraft rotations to leave ASU and continue as part of JJ's fleet. In summary, ASU and AGT are like foreign destinations for the aircraft, but home bases for the crew.

If that system is supposed to be kept, LAN will have to plan the rotations so that the aircraft return to SCL and LIM as often needed to keep up with maintenance and everything. That's why PZ would have to fly those routes.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 78):
Would the ANAC deny a new Paraguayan carrier Fifth Freedom Rights between EZE and GRU...

It would not be a new carrier, only the name would be new.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 80, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15209 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 70):
O6 is not a new airline and could launch long-haul flights if AV deployed a couple of A330s over to O6. O6 used to operate the GRU-BOG route, but dropped it. With one A330, O6 could operate GRU-MIA daily. However, it appears that AV is primarily concerned with protecting its hub at BOG from other airlines that have recently set up shop there. Meanwhile, at AV's other "hubs", LATAM is significantly increasing capacity on routes to the U.S. For example, look at the LIM hub, LATAM is increasing capacity not only on regional routes, but also significantly increasing frequencies on domestic routes, as well as on routes to North America. LATAM will soon increase capacity on the LIM-GRU route; which operates 3x daily. LATAM will introduce the A332 on the route daily in October, (LAN already operates the B763 on the route daily). And LIM is already surpassing its designed capacity...

Keep going, you're doing good. You keep forgetting that just like LAN has grown over the years, AV is expanding gradually. AV knows what they are doing and they are doing it well, no one can deny that. It's not for no reason that they are the second largest airline group in South America.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 70):
Time is saying that GRU hardly has room for more airlines to grow. And this will occur at other airports in Brazil...

Don't know on what time you are but GRU will expand if Sao Paolo wants to remain a worldwide player. They are hosting the Worldcup and the Olympics, so don't worry. GRU will have to expand and this additional capacity will help the airlines too, including O6.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 81, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15165 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 79):
No, that's not it. PZ flies all TAM routes to/from Paraguay. That happens because it is part of the aircraft rotations to leave ASU and continue as part of JJ's fleet. In summary, ASU and AGT are like foreign destinations for the aircraft, but home bases for the crew.

If that system is supposed to be kept, LAN will have to plan the rotations so that the aircraft return to SCL and LIM as often needed to keep up with maintenance and everything. That's why PZ would have to fly those routes.

LA would have to rotate the a/c at either LIM or GRU. LA would also be able to use TAM maintenance at GRU. However, since Paraguay is offering incentives for new carriers to serve ASU, perhaps LP will launch the LIM-ASU route and LA could take over the SCL-ASU route and rotate the a/c as SCL-ASU-LIM-ASU-SCL or LIM-ASU-SCL-ASU-LIM.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 79):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 78):
Would the ANAC deny a new Paraguayan carrier Fifth Freedom Rights between EZE and GRU...

It would not be a new carrier, only the name would be new.

This would be the main issue. The ANAC would say no to a new LAN.

Quoting A388 (Reply 80):
It's not for no reason that they are the second largest airline group in South America.

Sorry, your confusing G3 with AV.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 82, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15173 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 74):
6. TAM will increase frequencies on long-haul routes from GIG later this year and well into next year as LATAM builds up operations at GIG. TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon.

Been hearing that for a LONG time and so far...nothing. TAM's latin american network at GIG is abysmal serving only EZE from there. No flights to SCL, ASU, MVD, BOG, CCS...

Same goes for LA's presence there with only two flights very close one to the other. If JJ (LATAM for that matter) wishes to develop GIG into a true south american hub they must establish at least some of these connections and strenghten others such as those to SCL.

AV/TA albeit being smaller is on their toes there connecting GIG to BOG and LIM nonstop.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 83, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15165 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 82):
Been hearing that for a LONG time and so far...nothing. TAM's latin american network at GIG is abysmal serving only EZE from there. No flights to SCL, ASU, MVD, BOG, CCS...

During LATAM's conference call, LATAM's management stated that they are focused on increasing frequencies and capacity to the U.S. primarily from SCL, LIM, GRU, and GIG. And also increasing regional routes from LIM and Brasil. LAN is taking on a lot of a/c and LP will be getting more B763s and A319s. Also, TAM's 4 B77Ws will free up some A330s for expansion early next year; especially on routes to Europe. Already, GIG got a new daily flight to MCO. They specifically mentioned that GIG will become a major focus for LATAM early next year. LAN Perú recently applied with the Peruvian DGAC to operate LIM-BSB, LIM-CWB, LIM-GIG, LIM-POA, LIM-REC, etc.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 82):
AV/TA albeit being smaller is on their toes there connecting GIG to BOG and LIM nonstop.

Once again, you know that LAN offers more connections via LIM compared to Avianca Perú. And the route may possibly be operated by TAM. Didn't TAM just receive authorization from the ANAC for 7 new frequencies to Perú?


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 84, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15171 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 83):
Once again, you know that LAN offers more connections via LIM compared to Avianca Perú. And the route may possibly be operated by TAM.

Maybe. But the facts are: this GIG-LIM service by either LP and JJ is being rumoured for a very long time and nothing has happened. The only airline serving GIG from LIM is TA so, even with a weaker hub, it's the only player in the market right now.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 83):
Didn't TAM just receive authorization from the ANAC for 7 new frequencies to Perú?

They did. But it could be anything: BSB-LIM, GIG-LIM..heck it could even be GRU-LIM at some awful schedule.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15165 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 84):
The only airline serving GIG from LIM is TA so, even with a weaker hub, it's the only player in the market right now.

Right now, but things will change drastically. About GIG-MVD, LATAM is waiting to see the outcome of the PU auction.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15043 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 81):
Sorry, your confusing G3 with AV.

Really? Which airline group does G3 have? I know there is LATAM and AV/TA.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14987 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 86):
Really? Which airline group does G3 have? I know there is LATAM and AV/TA.

The GOL Group controls 23% of capacity in South America whereas Avianca-TACA controls a mere 12% of capacity in South America.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14977 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 87):
The GOL Group controls 23% of capacity in South America whereas Avianca-TACA controls a mere 12% of capacity in South America.

And that capacity is mainly in Brazil which is not South America as a whole. I'm talking about South American airline groups.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14982 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 88):
And that capacity is mainly in Brazil which is not South America as a whole. I'm talking about South American airline groups.

So now the GOL Group is not a South American airline group? Why don't you describe for us what you define as a South American airline group?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 90, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15009 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 89):
So now the GOL Group is not a South American airline group? Why don't you describe for us what you define as a South American airline group?

South America implies more than one country, meaning an airline group that operates throughout South America in the same way LATAM operates throughout South America and not for 90 percent in one country.

A388


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 91, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15133 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 90):
South America implies more than one country, meaning an airline group that operates throughout South America in the same way LATAM operates throughout South America and not for 90 percent in one country.

One country that represents 50% of the continent.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 92, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14977 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 90):
South America implies more than one country, meaning an airline group that operates throughout South America in the same way LATAM operates throughout South America and not for 90 percent in one country.

So now your saying that the GOL group is not a South American airline group because it doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries? Whatever your definition of South American airline group is is irrelevant. The GOL group is a South American airline group that operates into several South American countries and is the second largest airline group in South America after LATAM Airlines Group.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 93, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14966 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 92):
So now your saying that the GOL group is not a South American airline group because it doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries? Whatever your definition of South American airline group is is irrelevant. The GOL group is a South American airline group that operates into several South American countries and is the second largest airline group in South America after LATAM Airlines Group.

G3 doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries in the way AV/TA and LATAM have who are the number one and two South American airline groups. That is what operating throughout South America means. Is that clearer to you now?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 94, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14967 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 93):
G3 doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries in the way AV/TA and LATAM have who are the number one and two South American airline groups. That is what operating throughout South America means.

Once again, GOL airlines group is the second largest airline group in South America. A388, you can make up whatever your definition of a South American airline group is; however facts are facts! Move on...


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 95, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14932 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 94):
Once again, GOL airlines group is the second largest airline group in South America. A388, you can make up whatever your definition of a South American airline group is; however facts are facts! Move on...

Again I disagree with you but let's move on.

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 96, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14929 times:

Regarding G3, what's the status on their Caribbean flights? Will they add more flights to their existing schedule or add more destinations or change their schedules?

A388


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14941 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 94):
Again I disagree with you but let's move on.

I have to agree with SCL767 that any airline based in any South American country is a South American airline.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 98, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14871 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 97):
I have to agree with SCL767 that any airline based in any South American country is a South American airline.

Of course they are, I was only referring to airline groups that have bases/hubs in more then one country. In that case, the only two groups are LATAM and AV/TA who comes in at number two.

If I really have to be clear, with airline groups I meant scheduled airlines, not low cost/nofrills/hybrid carriers.

When looking at it this way, G3 doesn't come in the picture even though they are South American. Why would I want to compare LATAM to G3? I compare them to AV/TA.

A388

[Edited 2012-08-15 12:35:19]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 99, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14845 times:
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Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 97):
I have to agree with SCL767 that any airline based in any South American country is a South American airline.

It's important to note that G3 has more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA; which only has two hubs in South America. G3 also has a significant presence in the Argentine market.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 100, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14826 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 99):
It's important to note that G3 has more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA; which only has two hubs in South America. G3 also has a significant presence in the Argentine market.

No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 101, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14833 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 100):
No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil.

Brazil is in South America! G3 operates more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 102, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14874 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 101):
Brazil is in South America! G3 operates more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA.

No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 103, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14857 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 102):
No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil.

So according to your statement, Brazil is not part of South America? It would be great if you could start a separate thread about this subject since it seems like you would like to compare AV-TA to airline groups that are based entirely in South America.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 104, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14856 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 103):
So according to your statement, Brazil is not part of South America? It would be great if you could start a separate thread about this subject since it seems like you would like to compare AV-TA to airline groups that are based entirely in South America.

Please read my explanation in reply 98 before posting.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 105, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14845 times:
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Back to Brazilian Aviation, LATAM will invest USD20 million to build a new cargo facility at Guarulhos Airport and will upgrade cargo facilities at Congonhas Airport:

LAN comenzó a transferir carga a los aviones internacionales de TAM

As mentioned before, ABSA Cargo is now branded as TAM Cargo. IMO, this is significant since it's the first time that a LAN affiliate has transferred a/c over to a new TAM affiliate:
http://www.tamcargo.com.br/


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 106, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14807 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 105):
Back to Brazilian Aviation, LATAM will invest USD20 million to build a new cargo facility at Guarulhos Airport and will upgrade cargo facilities at Congonhas Airport:

LAN comenzó a transferir carga a los aviones internacionales de TAM

As mentioned before, ABSA Cargo is now branded as TAM Cargo. IMO, this is significant since it's the first time that a LAN affiliate has transferred a/c over to a new TAM affiliate:
http://www.tamcargo.com.br/

Good news. I do like the ABSA Cargo colors much more then the TAM Cargo one:



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14704 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 104):
Please read my explanation in reply 98 before posting.

The problem is that you are working with a definition that you, and you alone agree with... You can't expect other to fit into your somewhat "particular" logic.


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 846 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14690 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 103):
So according to your statement, Brazil is not part of South America?

Oh dear oh dear, we are heading for the same arguments that sank the 'who flies to six continents' thread a while back when war broke out over whether AF flying to PPT meant they flew to Australasia or not!

As a non South American who has had many a [well a few] happy holidays in Brazil here is my two penny/cents worth. Brazil is a South American country which I think accounts for roughly half the land mass and half the population of the continent.

I would therefore without a shadow of a doubt declare that a Brazilian domiciled airline was also a South American Airline.

Maybe a statement something like the following encapsulates the relevant points from the thread above.

'GOL is a major South American airline whose hubs and passenger traffic are mainly/solely based in the Brazilian domestic market.'


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 109, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14614 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 107):
The problem is that you are working with a definition that you, and you alone agree with... You can't expect other to fit into your somewhat "particular" logic.

No, I am not. Let's move on shall we.

A388

[Edited 2012-08-16 05:31:07]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 110, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14616 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 108):
'GOL is a major South American airline whose hubs and passenger traffic are mainly/solely based in the Brazilian domestic market.'

Thank you jumpset, finally someone how understands what I'm saying.

A388


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 111, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14493 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 67):
Now LATAM is growing at GIG and has plans to increase regional and long-haul flights at GIG. Plus increasing flights from BSB and CNF into the U.S. LATAM is not the only airline group increasing capacity on profitable flights from Brazil. AA is increasing long-haul flights into Brazil, the EU carriers are increasing flights, the Middle Eastern carriers are increasing flights, etc. By diversifying its operations, carriers like TAM have decreased its risks that have plagued certain other carriers that operate primarily domestic flights with-in Brazil.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 74):
6. TAM will increase frequencies on long-haul routes from GIG later this year and well into next year as LATAM builds up operations at GIG. TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon

That's very good and i hear that also. They plan to increase traffic from Lima, Buenos Aires and Santiago thru their "Rio Hub" which lead me think that LA will open a route to MAD and probably, as potential markets, i can see LHR and in a little lower level... pray for ZRH !
LIM-GIG will happen, as well as a better SCL-GIG and as they got (JJ) 14 frequencies from Brazil to Uruguay, i think that JJ will run a 3rd GRU-MVD and their 1st GIG-MVD to also capture connections (PU feed EK, BA, IB and others...)

Quoting A388 (Reply 80):
Don't know on what time you are but GRU will expand if Sao Paolo wants to remain a worldwide player. They are hosting the Worldcup and the Olympics, so don't worry. GRU will have to expand and this additional capacity will help the airlines too, including O6.

We need to expand for the Olympics in Rio. The reason is that 99% of competitions happens in Rio so without airport in Rio even connections become impossible.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 112, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14473 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 111):
That's very good and i hear that also. They plan to increase traffic from Lima, Buenos Aires and Santiago thru their "Rio Hub" which lead me think that LA will open a route to MAD and probably, as potential markets, i can see LHR and in a little lower level... pray for ZRH !
LIM-GIG will happen, as well as a better SCL-GIG and as they got (JJ) 14 frequencies from Brazil to Uruguay, i think that JJ will run a 3rd GRU-MVD and their 1st GIG-MVD to also capture connections (PU feed EK, BA, IB and others...)

LA currently operates SCL-GIG 2x daily (A320); either LAN or TAM will add a new daily frequency on the SCL-GIG route. LATAM will increase frequencies into MVD from SCL and GRU and will launch LIM-GIG and GIG-MVD. LAN may launch LIM-GIG with the B-767-316ER! Right now, LAN is focused on building up the LIM hub. It's also highly likely that IB may drop BCN-GRU and LATAM may takeover that route. Also, BOG-MAD and GIG-MAD are routes that LATAM will launch in the near-term. MAD is already a focus city for LATAM with daily flights from FRA, GRU, GYE, LIM, and SCL and they will grow their operations at MAD.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 113, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14504 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 112):
LAN may launch LIM-GIG with the B-767-316ER!

that would be of course cargo related, not a bad move!



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 114, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14449 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 113):
that would be of course cargo related, not a bad move!

It would also mobilize more pax via the LIM hub from Brazil; which will enable LAN to offer new connections via LIM. It would increase competition on the LIM-GIG route. LAN took delivery of another B-767-316ER today and some of them will be transferred to LIM starting next month. LAN will increase frequency and capacity on the LIM-SCL route next month and TAM will increase capacity on the LIM-GRU route in October.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 115, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 14442 times:
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Interesting analysis from CAPA about TAM and Gol's strategy to increase international fights from Brazil. TAM's international market-share will increase due to the scope of LATAM's South American network as LATAM seeks to reduce its exposure to the Brazilian domestic market:

Quote:
Management of the newly-formed LATAM is stressing that TAM’s focus throughout the remainder of 2012 and into 2013 will be to captilise on the success of its long-haul flights to the US and transiting more passengers through the combined LAN-TAM network from LAN’s operations in Argentina, Chile and Peru to TAM’s hub in Rio de Janeiro to bolster long-haul connections from the airport. Those moves allow LATAM as a whole to reduce its exposure to the Brazilian domestic market, which accounted for roughy 37% of the company’s capacity during 1H2012.
TAM and Gol continue to rein in capacity as Brazil's economy slows


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 116, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14382 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 115):
TAM and Gol continue to rein in capacity as Brazil's economy slows

Interesting article indeed, I'm especially interested in Gol's plans for international expansion. What happened to their planned Brazil-CCS-MIA flight which was supposed to start in June if I'm not mistaken? Will it still happen?

A388


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 117, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14428 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 116):
Brazil-CCS-MIA flight which was supposed to start in June if I'm not mistaken? Will it still happen?

it was rejected by Venezuela (INAC) - no surprise at all, but really a shame specially with these high prices these days ex CCS !!



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 118, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14338 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 116):
Interesting article indeed, I'm especially interested in Gol's plans for international expansion.

G3 is not expanding its international operations; G3 is merely restructuring its international services. G3 used to operate POA-MVD 2x daily, G3 now operates GRU-MVD daily and POA-MVD daily, the GRU-CGR-VVI route will operate as GRU-VVI daily, and GRU-ASU operates daily. G3 recently dropped the POA-SCL route and will soon discontinue services to SCL.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
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Effective 10SEP12 LAN Colombia will operate the BOG-GRU route daily with the B-737-700. Flights are already loaded on LAN.com

Schedule:
LA3505 BOG 05:35 GRU 13:25 B737-700 DAILY
LA3506 GRU 14:30 BOG 18:40 B737-700 DAILY

Source: amadeus.net


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 120, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14259 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 117):
it was rejected by Venezuela (INAC) - no surprise at all, but really a shame specially with these high prices these days ex CCS !!
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 118):
G3 is not expanding its international operations;

Thanks guys. Regarding G3's MIA plans, what will happen now and why was it rejected by the INAC? There was also talk about G3 wanting to set up a hub in SDQ for the region? What's that status? A link to an article:


http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/tou...es-plans-Dominican-Republic-routes



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 121, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14212 times:
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LAN continues to add more flights into GRU. Effective 17DEC12, LA will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 41x weekly. Thus LATAM will operate the SCL-GRU route 55x weekly.

Source: amadeus.net


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 122, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14126 times:

In the end JJ operated flights between GRU and BOG WILL be cancelled. JJ already sent a press release to the market informing that the GRU-BOG service will be offered ONLY by Aires.

The release states that the reason behind this change is "to make a better use of the group's resources".

So it will be:

EFF 10SEPT12

LA3505 BOG0535 – 1325GRU 320 D
LA3506 GRU1430 – 1840BOG 320 D

JJ8017 BOG1910 - 0315GRU 320 D - CANCELLED
JJ8016 GRU1240 - 1640BOG 320 D - CANCELLED



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 123, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14094 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 122):
JJ already sent a press release to the market informing that the GRU-BOG service will be offered ONLY by Aires.

TAM should not be calling LAN Colombia "AIRES". LAN Airlines has changed the name to LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. On LAN.com, all flights operated by LAN Colombia are shown as operated by LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. Also, the service will be operated with the B-737-700. The next two A-320s that LAN is transferring to Colombia will operate domestic routes.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 124, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14081 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 123):
TAM should not be calling LAN Colombia "AIRES". LAN Airlines has changed the name to LAN Colombia Airlines S.A.

TAM didn't call LAN Colombia, Aires. I did. They called it LAN Colombia.

As for they type the release is pretty clear: the route will be operated by an A320:

Quote:

A partir de 10 de setembro, a ligação direta e diária entre os dois aeroportos será realizada pela LAN Colômbia, que também operará na rota com aeronave Airbus A320 e cujos horários de voo atendem com conveniência aos passageiros que viajam entre os dois hubs.

rough translation:

Quote:

From september 10th, the direct connection between the two airports will be made by LAN Colombia, who will operate the route with the Airbus A320 which a schedule that offers convenience for the passengers travelling between the two hubs.


[Edited 2012-08-17 12:50:25]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 125, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14071 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 124):
As for they type the release is pretty clear: the route will be operated by an A320:

It's on a B-737-700 on LAN.com and on TAM.com.br/ LAN Colombia applied to operate the route with either the B-737-700, A-320 or the B-767-316ER. Thus, LAN could change equipment on the route in the future, but right now it's being operated with the B-737-700.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 126, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13864 times:

Another "casualty" at GRU: IB will cancel it's BCN-GRU services.

EFF31OCT12

IB6853 BCN2100 – 0330+1GRU 340 Su - CANCELLED
IB6853 BCN2350 – 0620+1GRU 340 We - CANCELLED

IB6852 GRU1345 – 0535+1BCN 340 MoTh - CANCELLED

SQ will be the sole operator on the GRU-BCN route.



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Reply 127, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 13666 times:
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LATAM NW schedule from BOG, BUE, LIM, and SCL into GIG, GRU and IGU:

SCL-GRU 8x daily operated by LA/JJ:
SCL-GRU 6x daily operated by LAN (B763 2x daily, A319 2x daily, A320 2x daily)
SCL-GRU 2x daily operated by TAM (B77W daily, A320 daily)

SCL-GIG 2x daily operated by LA:
SCL-GIG 2x daily operated by LAN (A320)

BUE-GRU 9x daily operated by JJ/PZ/4M:
EZE-GRU 2x daily operated by LAN (A320)
EZE-GRU 2x daily operated by TAM (A332 daily, A320 daily)
EZE-GRU 2x daily operated by TAM Paraguay (A320 2x daily)
AEP-GRU 3x daily operated by TAM (A320 3x daily)

EZE-GIG 3x daily operated by TAM:
EZE-GIG 3x daily operated by TAM (A332 daily, A320 2x daily)

BOG-GRU daily operated by LAN Colombia:
BOG-GRU daily (B73G daily)

LIM-GRU 3x daily operated by LP/JJ:
LIM-GRU 2x daily operated by LAN Perú (B763 daily, A319 daily)
LIM-GRU daily operated by TAM (A332 daily)

LIM-IGU 4x weekly operated by LP:
LIM-IGU 4x weekly operated by LAN Perú (A319)

Source: amadeus.net


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 128, posted (2 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 13570 times:

JJ applied (finally) for a new LIM-GIG service:

EFF 29OCT12

JJ8060 320 --3-5-7 GIG 0745 LIM 1030
JJ8061 320 --3-5-7 LIM 1255 GIG 2110

The low frequency surprised me. Perhaps LP will fly the other 4x frequencies. But this schedule is good for connections.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 129, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13416 times:
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Here is TAM's newest B77W PT-MTE landing at KPAE today on a customer flight. There's a really nice plane taxing adjacent to TAM's B77W while it is landing: http://youtu.be/d-4VOcOrqHE

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 130, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13325 times:
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So we will have as expected 2 more daily service to MVD by Latam
3rd GRU-MVD
And first GIG-MVD

Eff 01/10
JJ8038 GIG 0745 MVD 1050 A32A - Daily
JJ8031 MVD 1145 GRU 1410 A32A - Daily
JJ8030 GRU 1455 MVD 1730 A32A - Daily
JJ8037 MVD 1830 GIG 2110 A32A - Daily

A32A = 12J144Y



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 131, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13323 times:

Singapore Airlines is expanding its presence in Brazil with a cargo flight between VCP and Dallas. It lands on Fridays 12:25 and departs at 15:25.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 132, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13230 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 131):
Singapore Airlines is expanding its presence in Brazil with a cargo flight between VCP and Dallas. It lands on Fridays 12:25 and departs at 15:25.

That's great. LAN Cargo will further expand its presence in Brazil when it receives two new B-777-F16s starting next month.


GOL to expand its offering as Brazil’s regional airlines grow in power and the LATAM operation develops:
GOL trims its domestic operation by 7% in August; adds three international routes

[Edited 2012-08-22 10:55:08]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 133, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12957 times:
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Effective 10SEP12, LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. will operate the A-320 on the BOG-GRU route daily.

LA3505 BOG 05:35 GRU 13:25 Daily A-320
LA3506 GRU 14:30 BOG 18:40 Daily A-320

Source: LAN.com


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13000 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 115):
TAM and Gol continue to rein in capacity as Brazil's economy slows

It may be slowing but what G3 and JJ charge on domestic fares is just ridiculous, sometimes it's CHAPER to fly to AUA CUR LIM return than going from north to south in BR!


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4545 posts, RR: 4
Reply 135, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 133):
Effective 10SEP12, LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. will operate the A-320 on the BOG-GRU route daily.

LA3505 BOG 05:35 GRU 13:25 Daily A-320
LA3506 GRU 14:30 BOG 18:40 Daily A-320

So the 73G won't be deployed in such route.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 136, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12554 times:
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On 12JAN13, LA will commence seasonal non-stop flights between Santiago and Florianópolis, Brasil for the high season. Service will operates up to 4x weekly:

LA778 SCL 06:55 FLN 11:20 A320
LA779 FLN 12:00 SCL 15:50 A320

Source: amadeus.net

[Edited 2012-08-29 00:36:50]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 137, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12371 times:
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TAM took delivery of PT-MUE today. Scheduled to arrive at CNF at 05:36BRT tomorrow:

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 138, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12422 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 137):
TAM took delivery of PT-MUE today. Scheduled to arrive at CNF at 05:36BRT tomorrow:

Over the Caribbean Sea at the moment:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/T...0/history/20120830/1930Z/KPAE/SBCF



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 139, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12327 times:
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 138):

Busy day for LATAM at KPAE. TAM should also receive PT-MUF next month.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 140, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12081 times:

Avianca and Taca unify their brazilian operations, another step forward for the upcoming brand unification, Avianca Brasil will be representing both airlines in the brazilian market:

http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...o-brasil-sao-unificadas_81169.html

Current destinations are GRU from BOG and LIM, GIG from BOG and LIM, BSB from BOG and POA form LIM.

Avianca Brasil grows 117% on the corporate sales department:

http://agenciat1.com.br/?p=33699



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User currently offline744lover From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11900 times:

Acording to Azul's CEO David Neelman, international flights out of VCP are not out of scope and could start in 2015 with "bigger airplanes". The big infrastructure boost that VCP is facing will facilitate such flights.

Source: http://goo.gl/fIhFE (in portuguese only)


BR,
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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 142, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11665 times:
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So a lot of news:

* CM will introduce a 4x PTY-GRU daily flight eff Dec/16
CM702 GRU 0430 PTY 0920 D 738
CM703 PTY 1930 GRU 0420+1 D 738
* TA will reduce once again LIM-GRU to 10x weekly for the upcoming IATA winter season
* JJ to retire the 763 fleet and will run MIA-GIG and MIA-MAO daily with A332, and BSB-MIA 4x weekly + CNF-MIA 3x weekly also with A332.
* JJ schedule on JFK-GIG-JFK will change, with an early night departure out of JFK and earlier departure from GIG. Times will be better for NYC residents - Effective November
JJ8078 GIG 2215 JFK 0525 (+1)
JJ8079 JFK 1830 GIG 0720 (+1)
* KE will upgauge LAX-GRU to 77W allowing more J class offer (nowadays B772)



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 143, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11643 times:
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Is Qatar Airways going after GOL...

Qatar Airways quer comprar a GOL, diz Veja


User currently offline744lover From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 143):
Is Qatar Airways going after GOL...

Qatar Airways quer comprar a GOL, diz Veja

Not the freshest one.... Gol already denied on a press release...

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado...-com-qatar-acao-diminui-alta.shtml


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11413 times:

Some news:

Avianca requested the brazilian aviation authority in increase of their BOG-GIG service to daily:

EFF 01DEC12

AV260 - GIG 0940 1310 BOG - DAILY - 319
AV261 - BOG 2255 0825 GIG - DAILY - 319


And LAN requested the brazilian ANAC to serve SCL-GIG-MIA as follows:


EFF 21JAN13

LA792 - SCL 1550 - 2100 GIG 2245 0435 MIA - DAILY - 763
LA793 - MIA 1925 - 0705 GIG 0915 1320 SCL - DAILY - 763



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 146, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

If I counted right AA is about to break the 100 flights per week in the Brazilian market with the additions that come in before the end of year - actually 102 frequencies.


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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 145):
Some news:

Avianca requested the brazilian aviation authority in increase of their BOG-GIG service to daily:

EFF 01DEC12

AV260 - GIG 0940 1310 BOG - DAILY - 319
AV261 - BOG 2255 0825 GIG - DAILY - 319


And LAN requested the brazilian ANAC to serve SCL-GIG-MIA as follows:


EFF 21JAN13

LA792 - SCL 1550 - 2100 GIG 2245 0435 MIA - DAILY - 763
LA793 - MIA 1925 - 0705 GIG 0915 1320 SCL - DAILY - 763

AV and TA should follow LA by using 5th liberty in Brazil, as international flights are not O6's focus.
If AV and TA make that, destinations in Mercosur, BUE in particular, could be offered and limitations in the bilateral agreements be skirted. Moreover, they could offer destinations in Europe and even in Africa out of Brazil.


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 148, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11017 times:

AA Brazil is saying DFW-GIG is going daily for the peak season.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 149, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10698 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 148):
AA Brazil is saying DFW-GIG is going daily for the peak season.

It seems to me too much offer for this moment.
Would be better if they deploy the 772 on JFK-GIG, and run MIA-GIG daily to make DFW-GIG daily.

AA seems lost with so many increases... i can't see that additional demand.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 145):
Avianca requested the brazilian aviation authority in increase of their BOG-GIG service to daily:

Interesting. One year and they make it daily. Thanks for sharing



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 150, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10613 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 149):
It seems to me too much offer for this moment.
Would be better if they deploy the 772 on JFK-GIG, and run MIA-GIG daily to make DFW-GIG daily.

While I read that DFW-GIG is going daily for peak season, I have not seen it for sale anywhere. Also AA Brazil said the market will have 108 frequencies. I counted 102, plus 4 x extra DFW-GIG that would be 106. What they said has not added up so far.

Didn't AA run JFK-GIG 777 last year? I would think they have good basis for not bringing it back.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 149):
AA seems lost with so many increases... i can't see that additional demand.

For January the Brazil-US market can absorb whatever capacity is thrown in. I heard the wait time for a visa at the Rio Consulate is now 1-2 days so a lot less advance planning is needed, which expands the market.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 151, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10609 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 150):

While I read that DFW-GIG is going daily for peak season, I have not seen it for sale anywhere. Also AA Brazil said the market will have 108 frequencies. I counted 102, plus 4 x extra DFW-GIG that would be 106. What they said has not added up so far.

Didn't AA run JFK-GIG 777 last year? I would think they have good basis for not bringing it back.

What i heard is that due to the fact they are launching (doubt if they will confirm this year-round...performance looks terrible) the daylight JFK-GRU, they schedule the arrival with the late night GRU-MIA nowadays operated with B763. Of course they needed an extra pair of 772 for this.
Plus, another 772 will be deployed on a 3x weekly DFW-GRU during January.

Between us, it is hard to believe that 3 772 on MIA-GRU makes more sense on an economic point of view compared to offer F on a new market. I just think there's too much F offer to Sao Paulo right now by AA: 2 JFK, 3 MIA (4 on weekends) 1 or 2 DFW... it means a daily offer of at least 90 seats (up to 120).
Result is ... easy way to burn miles on a 62.500 miles frequent flyer ticket. That's good for passengers... but not to the airline as it seems they went far above the elasticity of demand.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 152, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10678 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 151):
Between us, it is hard to believe that 3 772 on MIA-GRU makes more sense on an economic point of view compared to offer F on a new market.

At first I agree with that, but without knowing actual results I cannot be confident that it would be better to place the 777 into GIG.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 151):

What i heard is that due to the fact they are launching (doubt if they will confirm this year-round...performance looks terrible) the daylight JFK-GRU,

The 77W is coming to the overnight JFK-GRU. I can't wait to try it. It will be another 60 seats. I agree, that could take the daylight down, but over holidays and vacation periods it will all book up. I think the pattern of US-Brazil travel has shifted somewhat. Carnival for example is becoming a big outbound travel period with Brazilians taking a short vacation instead of staying in a country where every business is closed.



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 153, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10438 times:

Airbus excel sheet shows CRUZEIRO DO SUL operated 2 Airbus 300.

I've gone to the site pictures and have found nothing.

Can someone enlight me which they were or post pictures?

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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 154, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10349 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 153):
Airbus excel sheet shows CRUZEIRO DO SUL operated 2 Airbus 300.

I've gone to the site pictures and have found nothing.

Can someone enlight me which they were or post pictures?

SC operated two A300B4's: PP-CLA/B. They were both transferred to RG after both airlines merged.

There are pictures of them at Airliners:


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 155, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

Apparently, Condor will keep their new FRA-GIG service after 12/13 winter season. The flight is already bookable into 13 summer season.

DE's operations in Brazil will be:

Rio de Janeiro

DE1080 FRA1000 – 1720GIG 767 1
DE6080 FRA1000 – 1720GIG 767 6

DE1081 GIG2040 – 1335+1FRA 767 1
DE6081 GIG2040 – 1335+1FRA 767 6


Recife (frequencies will go from 1x weekly to 2x EFF02JUL13)

DE5074 FRA0905 – 1415REC 767 5
DE2074 FRA1010 – 1525REC 767 2

DE5075 REC1820 – 0920+1FRA 767 5
DE2075 REC1930 – 1030+1FRA 767 2


Salvador (DE will reduce from 2x weekly to 1x weekly)

DE7076 FRA0925 – 1515SSA 767 7
DE7077 SSA1725 – 0900+1FRA 767 7



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 156, posted (2 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10166 times:
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The deadline set by the TDLC for LATAM to release slots at GRU for new carriers to launch services on the SCL-GRU route has expired with no carriers showing any interest in launching services on the SCL-GRU route. Thus, the process will repeat itself for the next IATA season.
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On 29OCT12, LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 6x daily. Therefore, LATAM will operate the SCL-GRU route 8x daily.