LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17209 times:
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Considering the previous one reached the +250 posts quota, level in which uploading info can be hard for users using low speed internet connections, we are opening the new thread, number 14
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17765 times:
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Recent developments
- Tam to upgauge GRU-LIM to A332 (currently A320)
- Gol to fly GRU-VVI, GRU-ASU and GRU-MVD non-stop. Drops GRU-CGR-VVI and GRU-CWB-ASU. MVD-POA continues
- Tam to have 10 extra flights GRU-MVD due to Pluna current situation
- AR to fly GIG-BUE 31x weekly (21x AEP, 3x AEP via IGR, 7x EZE)
- Emirates confirmed DXB-GIG-EZE load factor around 80%, GIG leads premium traffic, EZE leads leisure.
- Tam to fly GIG-MCO daily with A332 by Oct 29
- Tam to upgrade GIG-CDG/FRA/JFK to daily
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
santos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17648 times:
Also the revised schedule for S4 new LIS-SSA-LIS service:
S4 851 LIS1320 – 2000SSA 313 5
S4 850 SSA2205 – 0820+1LIS 313 6
Weekly Service from 27th September.
Taken from S4 website
With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 7, posted (10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 16979 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1): Tam to upgauge GRU-LIM to A332 (currently A320)
well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3): TAM Cargo's (Operado por ABSA Cargo) first aircraft arrived at GIG on Sunday.
B-767-316F/ER (PR-ADY)
so all Absa will change to TAM Cargo? Well it least end of the month TAM cargo will disapear on the Freight AWB's ...
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6): With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...
head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 16933 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 7): well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.
Well LAN is a very "cargo-centric" airline; and now TAM is as well.
Quoting Avianca (Reply 7): so all Absa will change to TAM Cargo? Well it least end of the month TAM cargo will disapear on the Freight AWB's ...
It will be branded as TAM Cargo operated by ABSA Cargo. LAN Cargo is transferring another B763F to TAM Cargo very soon, (PR-ADZ). This is in anticipation of the two new B-777Fs joining LAN Cargo's fleet later this year.
Quoting Avianca (Reply 7): head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.
Also, TAM is expected to increase frequency on both the BSB-MIA and CNF-MIA routes later this year. So we'll just have to wait and see which a/c are deployed on certain routes. The 4 new B77Ws that TAM will receive this year will free up 4 A332s, (one is already going to operate the GIG-MCO route).
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (10 months 6 days ago) and read 16697 times:
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LH will suspend MUC-GRU during a short period between Dec 24 and Jan 1.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6): With TAM upgrading the GRU-LIM route to the A332 daily; where will TAM deploy the A-320 that currently operates the route? Will TAM launch a new regional route...
As TAM decided to concentrate AEP in São Paulo, they replaced in fact 1 A332 previously used on GRU-EZE with 1 A32A to fly GRU-AEP. It's a shift between AEP and LIM. Of course, there's more room on the A32A fleet and therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).
Quoting Avianca (Reply 7): well I can imainge that this is totally based on cargo traffic! specially for exports ex Lima into Europe.
Could be, but the biggest reason is the need to use a smaller plane in AEP compared to EZE.
Quoting Avianca (Reply 7): head also that they will upgrade the CCS flight very soon to a widebody.
I'm very skeptical about upgrades nowadays. Very few routes justify them, and mostly will happen due to aircraft availability rather than route performance.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16665 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10): As TAM decided to concentrate AEP in São Paulo, they replaced in fact 1 A332 previously used on GRU-EZE with 1 A32A to fly GRU-AEP. It's a shift between AEP and LIM. Of course, there's more room on the A32A fleet and therefore GRU-SLZ is expected to be upgauged to A32A (Business Class).
Ok, so GRU-SLZ will operate 2x daily A32A; which will replace the A-319 that operates one of the two daily flights.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16546 times:
Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 9): There are few 77W operators to/from MIA, right?
Currently the daily Air France flight is a 77W, TAM will bring in two more daily 77W's to MIA. At some point in 2013 when AA gets all its 10 77W some will probably be scheduled through Miami. Currently AA has scheduled them to GRU and LHR from DFW and JFK so Miami to either of those seem likely. Hoping for more 77W in MIA.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16468 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14): Currently the daily Air France flight is a 77W, TAM will bring in two more daily 77W's to MIA.
AF will reduce frequency on the CDG-MIA route to 6x weekly for the Northern Winter season; thus TAM will be the only carrier that will operate the B77Ws into MIA on a daily basis during the Northern Winter season. The introduction of the B77Ws on the GRU-MIA route will result in a significant increase in capacity on the GRU-MIA route since TAM’s B77Ws have 63% more seats than the A332s. The same will apply to the GRU-JFK route when TAM deploys the B77W on the route.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 16, posted (10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16282 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10): I'm very skeptical about upgrades nowadays. Very few routes justify them, and mostly will happen due to aircraft availability rather than route performance.
well as per my understanding the JJ flight into CCS is always good booked, at lesat the time I used it, they grabed also a good bunch of the Argentina - Venezuela - Argentina traffice via GRU.
also cargo on the northbound is a money maker - southbound its a totally different storry.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16265 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 16): also cargo on the northbound is a money maker - southbound its a totally different storry.
Yep, ABSA operates VCP-CCS 4x weekly and VCP-VLN 2x weekly. Also, TAM wasn't a "cargo-centric" airline before LAN took over TAM. You know the LAN method; which is to use pax a/c as freighters, i.e. LAN Perú operates LIM-CCS daily with the B763.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16273 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 18): it was just downsized to 1 wekly, lets, see if they will be back with 2 x weekly in august...
Perhaps when PR-ADZ joins TAM Cargo's fleet; which is imminent. Also, MIA-VLN is operating 3x weekly as wet lease flights operated by identified third-party airline for LAN Cargo.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40 Reply 20, posted (10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16316 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19): Perhaps when PR-ADZ joins TAM Cargo's fleet; which is imminent. Also, MIA-VLN is operating 3x weekly as wet lease flights operated by identified third-party airline for LAN Cargo.
well I think rigt now it has more to do with the demand than with lack of aircraft.
yes its leadjet, and looks like LAN sold also the complete space to them on the reestablished 2 x weekly MIA-CCS flights
AwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 512 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16167 times:
Quoting santos (Reply 2): Also the revised schedule for S4 new LIS-SSA-LIS service
S4 could have revised the entire route. If they operated PDL-FOR, instead of LIS-SSA, they would not have to share their pax with TP and would operate their 313 to Brazil for less time.
VR currently does something similar out of Cape Verde, but S4 has the advantage of having a stronger base in Azores.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16108 times:
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- Condor decided to run FRA-GIG 2x weekly instead of 3x weekly during IATA winter 2012/2013
- IB will reduce MAD-GRU from 13x weekly to 10x weekly eff. Aug 10
Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12): GRU-SLZ? Guarulhos to Sao Luis, Maranhao with A32A? Are you sure you didn't mean to type SLC (Santiago, Chile)?
It is SLZ indeed. THe A32A means the A320 with Business Class, used for AEP, GIG-EZE late night, GIG-GRU-SCL night, GRU-BOG/CCS. As the fleet is deployed on a lot of daylight flights, during the night TAM uses them on flights such as GIG-BEL, GIG-FOR and GRU-SLZ among others.
Business Class is not available for sale, but they allow Red and Black TAM Frequent Flyers to fly there.
Quoting jpyvr (Reply 12): it is indeed Sao Luis, I'm at a loss to understand why TAM would send a A330 there. Any explanation would be appreciated.
I think i covered it above. Right ?
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4075 posts, RR: 5 Reply 28, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15861 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23): - Condor decided to run FRA-GIG 2x weekly instead of 3x weekly during IATA winter 2012/2013
So they're changing their plans once again.
Perhaps the competition offered by both LH and JJ is the fact against more weekly services on DE FRA-GIG.
I just checked amadeus.net and it displayed LH FRA-GIG on a daily basis during selected days in December.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 32, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15840 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 30): Effective Sep 10, AIres (Lan Colombia) will fly BOG-GRU daily with A320 instead of B73G
LAN Colombia planned on operating the BOG-GRU route 6x weekly with the A320, but was recently awarded an additional frequency to make it a daily service. Thus, LATAM will soon operate the BOG-GRU route 2x daily with the A320.
Quoting AF086 (Reply 31): Not just FRA-GIG but several other longhauls from FRA will get reductions during JAN13 like FRA-SIN and FRA-JFK so it's not a "GIG thing".
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 33, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15803 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 32): It's a "Eurozone crisis thing".
If the cuts were longer I would agree but it doesn't make sense given it's for a very brief period of time. Looks like there's something to do with the fleet. Perhaps they'll stop some for reconfiguration or MRO.
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 13 Reply 36, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15535 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 35): Apparently TAM is leaving the GRU-BOG services on Aires' hands. By them they'll already be flying to GRU daily.
Dafuq! No really, I thought that LATAM were going to put up a serious flight against AviancaTaca on this core south american market...guess the best on board product is winning the battle.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 38, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15238 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 35): Apparently TAM is leaving the GRU-BOG services on Aires' hands. By them they'll already be flying to GRU daily.
Indeed, LAN Colombia plans to operate the route daily and LAN intends to eventually deploy the B-767-316ER daily on the route. Also, LAN Colombia offers a better schedule for connections via GRU, (LA3505 arrives into GRU at 13:25 and LA3506 departs GRU at 14:30).
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 39, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14965 times:
In October, LA will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 38x weekly. Also, TAM has reversed its decision to deploy the A332 on the SCL-GRU route. JJ8026/JJ8027 will continue to operate with the B77W year-round.
bmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 40, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14692 times:
Although possibly off-topic or boring to some, I thought this would be the best place to ask.
I wonder if anyone could tell me the configurations for the GOL and Webjet Boeing 737-800 aircraft? A number of sources quote a mix of configurations for the fleet; Y183, Y184, Y186, Y187, Y189 & finally F8Y170 - all too with different engine variants (CFM56-7B-24/26/27). Would be interested in knowing if there is in actual fact all these different configurations, and if there is some logic behind it as to which aircraft have which one.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 42, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14176 times:
How is demand on the BOG-GRU routing? LAN Colombia is using the A320 on the route while AV uses the 332. LAN Colombia as per earlier posts intends to operate the 763 on the route which is no guarantee so why such a big difference?
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 43, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13870 times:
Lufthansa requested a new schedule for their FRA-GIG flight.
EFF 28OCT
LH500 FRA 2310 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY
LH501 GIG 2138 FRA 1338 A343 DAILY
Until 27OCT it is:
LH500 FRA 1010 GIG 1830 A343 xWe
LH501 GIG 2130 FRA 1230 A343 xWe
Shifting to two redeye flights LH plans to increse the yields of the route flying at these premium times. LH is taking advantage of the fact that GIG still has prime time slots to offer unlike GRU.
That will put some pressure on TAM since LH's daylight services weren't a match to them due to poor scheduling.
JJ's schedule, so far, for the same period is:
LH0500 FRA 2310 GIG 0730 A343 DAILY
JJ8068 FRA 2015 GIG 0547 A332 MoTuThSa
DE6080 FRA 1040 GIG 1903 B763 Sa
DE1080 FRA 1040 GIG 1903 B763 Mo
LH0501 GIG 2138 FRA 1338 A343 DAILY
JJ8069 GIG 2352 FRA 1450 A332 TuWeFrSu
DE6081 GIG 2155 FRA 1250 B763 Sa
DE1081 GIG 2155 FRA 1250 B763 Mo
JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY
JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY
Thanks, now I see why I didn't see them there. I did see AR's A343 in the airline's new colors which was very beautiful. I did see IB's A346 taxi when my flight took off. Too bad I didn't catch them either.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 54, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13737 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 53): I did see AR's A343 in the airline's new colors which was very beautiful.
You will be happy to know that AR will increase frequency on the BOG-EZE route to 5x weekly (A343). Also, LAN Colombia currently uses the B-737-700 on the BOG-GRU route twice weekly:
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 55, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13754 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 53): Thanks, now I see why I didn't see them there. I did see AR's A343 in the airline's new colors which was very beautiful. I did see IB's A346 taxi when my flight took off. Too bad I didn't catch them either.
Just a small correction. JJ flights to BOG were loaded again but the system shows that the frequencies were decreased from Daily to 5x weekly:
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 56, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13814 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 55): frequencies were decreased from Daily to 5x weekly:
Not necessarily. That's only what the GDS is saying. LA's flights are still not loaded, so expect changes. From what's been explained, both LA and JJ will fly the route. Let's wait and see.
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 13 Reply 57, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13759 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54): You will be happy to know that AR will increase frequency on the BOG-EZE route to 5x weekly (A343).
Well that's fun, given Argentina hasn't been willing to revise the current air service treaty that limits flights to four times a week. The last time AR implied that they were going to start daily flights to BOG they were quickly stopped by the colombian government on their tracks, with of course the full authority to do so. Ms Fernández's protectionist crap should not be encouraged by other countries. Like when they opened up AEP for flights to Brazil but only wanted to do it for AR, Brazil was adamant in saying no. If they want to go 5x weekly, then AV should be able to do so too.
Quoting AF086 (Reply 46): It was a glitch at JJ reservation system. They zero'd out BOG for a week but apparently they loaded again.
Well, I hope it is. More frequencies on Colombia-Brazil is what is needed, not less. 12x weekly flights are a great schedule. If kept that way, the Colombia-Brazil market will have 35 weekly flights.
summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2387 posts, RR: 7 Reply 58, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13718 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 55): Just a small correction. JJ flights to BOG were loaded again but the system shows that the frequencies were decreased from Daily to 5x weekly:
But LAN now shows only 2 weekly BOG-GRU again from 10th September, with 737 and not A320.
These people are all over the place in their decisions.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 56): Not necessarily. That's only what the GDS is saying. LA's flights are still not loaded, so expect changes. From what's been explained, both LA and JJ will fly the route. Let's wait and see.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 59, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13475 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 57): Well that's fun, given Argentina hasn't been willing to revise the current air service treaty that limits flights to four times a week. The last time AR implied that they were going to start daily flights to BOG they were quickly stopped by the colombian government on their tracks, with of course the full authority to do so.
It showed 5x weekly on AR's website, now it shows 3x weekly...It's a shame that BOG-EZE can't operate as a daily service for either carrier. Currently, AV-TA operates 18 weekly flights into EZE. It will be interesting to see how they can grow their presence in the Argentine market; especially since LATAM is well positioned in that market.
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 57): Like when they opened up AEP for flights to Brazil but only wanted to do it for AR, Brazil was adamant in saying no.
They also opened up AEP for flights to Chile and LAN was allowed to operate non-stop flights into its focus city at AEP. LAN currently operates SCL-AEP 3x daily (A320) and TAM operates GRU-AEP 3x daily (A320). LATAM pax can connect onto various domestic flights operated by LAN Argentina via AEP. Also, LATAM pax can connect onto popular destinations with-in the Argentine Republic such as BRC and USH via EZE.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 61, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13181 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 65): Besides this, I think AV will be focusing on Brazil first which is much better for them.
They should be since O6 will have to replace TAM very soon in the Brazilian domestic market for the Star Alliance. Also, it's the long-haul flights to North America that print money! Just look at the massive loss that G3 posted for Q2. IMO, O6 should be flying long-haul routes from Brasil to the U.S. by now! TAM is significantly increasing capacity on Brasil-Florida routes and plans to increase frequencies and capacity on other routes to the U.S. very soon. Meanwhile, LAN is significantly boosting frequencies into the U.S. from the LIM hub as well as SCL and even GYE. It's not wise focus on one hub and neglect others...
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 62, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13157 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 61): They should be since O6 will have to replace TAM very soon in the Brazilian domestic market for the Star Alliance. Also, it's the long-haul flights to North America that print money! Just look at the massive loss that G3 posted for Q2. IMO, O6 should be flying long-haul routes from Brasil to the U.S. by now! TAM is significantly increasing capacity on Brasil-Florida routes and plans to increase frequencies and capacity on other routes to the U.S. very soon.
All well said yes. G3's Q2 loss hasn't to do with the domestic market alone. There are more big airlines posting losses or decreased profits in Q2 and it's all for the same reasons.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 63, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13152 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 62): G3's Q2 loss hasn't to do with the domestic market alone.
G3 is a domestic low-cost carrier and focuses mainly on domestic routes with-in Brasil. The rise in fuel cost could have been contained by proper hedging. G3's international market-share from Brasil is minuscule and G3 does not have a diversified model like TAM. Therefore, G3 is more susceptible to the depreciation of the Brazilian currency.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 64, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13129 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 63): G3 is a domestic low-cost carrier and focuses mainly on domestic routes with-in Brasil. The rise in fuel cost could have been contained by proper hedging. G3's international market-share from Brasil is minuscule and G3 does not have a diversified model like TAM. Therefore, G3 is more susceptible to the depreciation of the Brazilian currency.
Okay so you say it yourself, their loss has little to do with the domestic market being profitable or not. Your description of G3 might give O6 even more reason to focus on the domestic market first rather then the international market.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 65, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13117 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 64): Okay so you say it yourself, their loss has little to do with the domestic market being profitable or not.
By focusing mainly on the low-yielding domestic market; it exacerbated G3's Q2 loss. Since G3 is primarily a domestic carrier; G3 is more susceptible to the depreciation of the Brazilian currency.
Quoting A388 (Reply 64): Your description of G3 might give O6 even more reason to focus on the domestic market first rather then the international market.
O6 should continue to focus on the domestic market and by the time they launch long-haul routes; O6 will face even more competition than ever before.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 66, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13070 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 65): O6 should continue to focus on the domestic market and by the time they launch long-haul routes; O6 will face even more competition than ever before.
Competition will always be there, it's better to gradually grow first before taking steps prematurely and have more risks.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 67, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13056 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 66):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 65):
O6 should continue to focus on the domestic market and by the time they launch long-haul routes; O6 will face even more competition than ever before.
Competition will always be there, it's better to gradually grow first before taking steps prematurely and have more risks.
However competition on regional routes with-in South America, long-haul routes to Europe from Brazil, and especially long-haul routes to North America from Brazil continue to increase dramatically. This is evident at GRU, which is slot-controlled. Look at LATAM's international operations at GRU, will O6 ever be able to replicate it? Now LATAM is growing at GIG and has plans to increase regional and long-haul flights at GIG. Plus increasing flights from BSB and CNF into the U.S. LATAM is not the only airline group increasing capacity on profitable flights from Brazil. AA is increasing long-haul flights into Brazil, the EU carriers are increasing flights, the Middle Eastern carriers are increasing flights, etc. By diversifying its operations, carriers like TAM have decreased its risks that have plagued certain other carriers that operate primarily domestic flights with-in Brazil.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 68, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13044 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 67): Look at LATAM's international operations at GRU, will O6 ever be able to replicate it?
I don't have a crystal ball to see whether O6 can or cannot replicate it. I agree with you, competition is growing but it doesn't mean a new airline has to hurry into starting international routes. In no circumstance should an airline rush into something. Time will tell who can do what in the future, that's all we know.
I'm sorry but this statement show a clear lack of knowledge on Brazilian domestic network.
Gol is, just as TAM, MUCH more focused on high yield/high frequency markets from CGH, SDU, CNF, BSB, POA and CWB.
Both airlines also have plenty of leisure routes, but are far from being "focusing mainly on the low-yielding domestic market" as a traditional American or European LCC.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 70, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13015 times:
Quoting winGl3t (Reply 69): I'm sorry but this statement show a clear lack of knowledge on Brazilian domestic network.
Gol is, just as TAM, MUCH more focused on high yield/high frequency markets from CGH, SDU, CNF, BSB, POA and CWB.
Both airlines also have plenty of leisure routes, but are far from being "focusing mainly on the low-yielding domestic market" as a traditional American or European LCC.
And both of these carriers have recently reduced capacity on many domestic routes in order to increase yields; especially since the Brazilian economy continues to show signs of weakness. I guess GOL will make further capacity cuts in the coming weeks. Here's an interesting analysis of the Brazilian domestic market: Continued erosion in Brazil’s domestic demand triggers stringent capacity discipline for Gol and TAM
Quoting A388 (Reply 68): I don't have a crystal ball to see whether O6 can or cannot replicate it.
Quoting A388 (Reply 68): I don't have a crystal ball to see whether O6 can or cannot replicate it. I agree with you, competition is growing but it doesn't mean a new airline has to hurry into starting international routes.
O6 is not a new airline and could launch long-haul flights if AV deployed a couple of A330s over to O6. O6 used to operate the GRU-BOG route, but dropped it. With one A330, O6 could operate GRU-MIA daily. However, it appears that AV is primarily concerned with protecting its hub at BOG from other airlines that have recently set up shop there. Meanwhile, at AV's other "hubs", LATAM is significantly increasing capacity on routes to the U.S. For example, look at the LIM hub, LATAM is increasing capacity not only on regional routes, but also significantly increasing frequencies on domestic routes, as well as on routes to North America. LATAM will soon increase capacity on the LIM-GRU route; which operates 3x daily. LATAM will introduce the A332 on the route daily in October, (LAN already operates the B763 on the route daily). And LIM is already surpassing its designed capacity...
Quoting A388 (Reply 68): Time will tell who can do what in the future, that's all we know.
Time is saying that GRU hardly has room for more airlines to grow. And this will occur at other airports in Brazil...
Both airlines reduced capacity on low yield / leisure oriented routes, which is a clear sight that they are not focusing mainly on the low-yielding segment of the domestic market as you stated.
LATAM's results reflect TAM's last 8 days during Q2; whereby TAM recorded a lost of 14M USD. Now that LAN basically owns and manages TAM; LATAM will implement a series of measures to decrease the effects of the depreciation of the Brazilian currency, and will now control TAM's fuel hedging and all future aircraft deliveries going to TAM will be financed by LATAM Airlines Group. TAM is increasing capacity on certain profitable regional routes, long-haul routes, and will increase both frequency and capacity on other routes in the coming months. Also, now that LAN has begun to cross-sell tickets on TAM's routes, LATAM has already achieved higher than expected synergies during the month of July. If TAM needs to further decrease capacity in the Brazilian domestic market, TAM will transfer a/c over to LAN. If TAM needs to further increase capacity on international routes; LAN will transfer a/c over to TAM. LAN will also launch new routes via Brazil to certain destinations which will further diversify LATAM's operations with-in Brazil.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 74, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12920 times:
LATAM in the short-term:
1. ABSA Cargo is now TAM Cargo; new cargo facilities for GRU and CGH.
2. TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-MIA and GRU-JFK routes with new B77Ws.
3. TAM will launch GIG-MCO daily in late October with the A332.
4. TAM will increase frequency on both the BSB-MIA and CNF-MIA routes to daily services.
5. TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-LIM route using the A332 in October.
6. TAM will increase frequencies on long-haul routes from GIG later this year and well into next year as LATAM builds up operations at GIG. TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon.
7. LATAM plans to launch 10 new international routes next year from GRU, GIG, and other LATAM hubs.
8. With-in the next two years, LATAM will open 4 new destinations in Europe.
9. LATAM expects synergies to generate USD$700 million in annual cost savings within four years.
10. LATAM continues to grow passenger and cargo operations in the 8 different countries where LATAM has subsidiaries.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 76, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12894 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 75): Quoting SCL767 (Reply 74):
TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon.
It's about time..!
Well you know LAN and TAM have been planning this for almost 8 years. LIM will begin to experience significant passenger growth during Q4. LA operates SCL-GIG two times daily already but a morning flight from GIG is needed to hub with inbound flights from Europe into GIG. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if TAM Paraguay becomes LAN Paraguay...
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 77, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12891 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 76): Also, I wouldn't be surprised if TAM Paraguay becomes LAN Paraguay...
That would make a lot of sense in terms of branding, but LAN needs to invest in connecting ASU to both SCL and LIM adequately, so that LAN's fleet can be used. PZ is a fleetless airline that feeds off JJ. Another problem is PZ's EZE-GRU flights. JJ markets them almost as their own, so it must be thought through if that is not going to affect their performances.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 78, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12827 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 77): That would make a lot of sense in terms of branding, but LAN needs to invest in connecting ASU to both SCL and LIM adequately, so that LAN's fleet can be used. PZ is a fleetless airline that feeds off JJ.
LAN Perú planned to launched LIM-ASU last year but did not launch that route. Also, TAM Paraguay currently operates the ASU-SCL route. LAN could take over both those routes; but not the ASU-VVI, ASU-AGT-GRU, and ASU-GRU routes.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 77): Another problem is PZ's EZE-GRU flights. JJ markets them almost as their own, so it must be thought through if that is not going to affect their performances.
IMO, this is the only potential issue that is a hindrance. Would the ANAC deny a new Paraguayan carrier Fifth Freedom Rights between EZE and GRU...
A "hypothetical" LAN Paraguay could potentially operate:
ASU-AGT-GRU
ASU-GRU
ASU-LIM
ASU-MAD
ASU-MIA
ASU-MVD
ASU-SCL
ASU-VVI
*ASU-EZE-GRU
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 79, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12856 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 78): LAN could take over both those routes; but not the ASU-VVI, ASU-AGT-GRU, and ASU-GRU routes.
No, that's not it. PZ flies all TAM routes to/from Paraguay. That happens because it is part of the aircraft rotations to leave ASU and continue as part of JJ's fleet. In summary, ASU and AGT are like foreign destinations for the aircraft, but home bases for the crew.
If that system is supposed to be kept, LAN will have to plan the rotations so that the aircraft return to SCL and LIM as often needed to keep up with maintenance and everything. That's why PZ would have to fly those routes.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 78): Would the ANAC deny a new Paraguayan carrier Fifth Freedom Rights between EZE and GRU...
It would not be a new carrier, only the name would be new.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 80, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12803 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 70): O6 is not a new airline and could launch long-haul flights if AV deployed a couple of A330s over to O6. O6 used to operate the GRU-BOG route, but dropped it. With one A330, O6 could operate GRU-MIA daily. However, it appears that AV is primarily concerned with protecting its hub at BOG from other airlines that have recently set up shop there. Meanwhile, at AV's other "hubs", LATAM is significantly increasing capacity on routes to the U.S. For example, look at the LIM hub, LATAM is increasing capacity not only on regional routes, but also significantly increasing frequencies on domestic routes, as well as on routes to North America. LATAM will soon increase capacity on the LIM-GRU route; which operates 3x daily. LATAM will introduce the A332 on the route daily in October, (LAN already operates the B763 on the route daily). And LIM is already surpassing its designed capacity...
Keep going, you're doing good. You keep forgetting that just like LAN has grown over the years, AV is expanding gradually. AV knows what they are doing and they are doing it well, no one can deny that. It's not for no reason that they are the second largest airline group in South America.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 70): Time is saying that GRU hardly has room for more airlines to grow. And this will occur at other airports in Brazil...
Don't know on what time you are but GRU will expand if Sao Paolo wants to remain a worldwide player. They are hosting the Worldcup and the Olympics, so don't worry. GRU will have to expand and this additional capacity will help the airlines too, including O6.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 81, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12759 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 79): No, that's not it. PZ flies all TAM routes to/from Paraguay. That happens because it is part of the aircraft rotations to leave ASU and continue as part of JJ's fleet. In summary, ASU and AGT are like foreign destinations for the aircraft, but home bases for the crew.
If that system is supposed to be kept, LAN will have to plan the rotations so that the aircraft return to SCL and LIM as often needed to keep up with maintenance and everything. That's why PZ would have to fly those routes.
LA would have to rotate the a/c at either LIM or GRU. LA would also be able to use TAM maintenance at GRU. However, since Paraguay is offering incentives for new carriers to serve ASU, perhaps LP will launch the LIM-ASU route and LA could take over the SCL-ASU route and rotate the a/c as SCL-ASU-LIM-ASU-SCL or LIM-ASU-SCL-ASU-LIM.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 79):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 78):
Would the ANAC deny a new Paraguayan carrier Fifth Freedom Rights between EZE and GRU...
It would not be a new carrier, only the name would be new.
This would be the main issue. The ANAC would say no to a new LAN.
Quoting A388 (Reply 80): It's not for no reason that they are the second largest airline group in South America.
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 82, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12767 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 74): 6. TAM will increase frequencies on long-haul routes from GIG later this year and well into next year as LATAM builds up operations at GIG. TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon.
Been hearing that for a LONG time and so far...nothing. TAM's latin american network at GIG is abysmal serving only EZE from there. No flights to SCL, ASU, MVD, BOG, CCS...
Same goes for LA's presence there with only two flights very close one to the other. If JJ (LATAM for that matter) wishes to develop GIG into a true south american hub they must establish at least some of these connections and strenghten others such as those to SCL.
AV/TA albeit being smaller is on their toes there connecting GIG to BOG and LIM nonstop.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 83, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12759 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 82): Been hearing that for a LONG time and so far...nothing. TAM's latin american network at GIG is abysmal serving only EZE from there. No flights to SCL, ASU, MVD, BOG, CCS...
During LATAM's conference call, LATAM's management stated that they are focused on increasing frequencies and capacity to the U.S. primarily from SCL, LIM, GRU, and GIG. And also increasing regional routes from LIM and Brasil. LAN is taking on a lot of a/c and LP will be getting more B763s and A319s. Also, TAM's 4 B77Ws will free up some A330s for expansion early next year; especially on routes to Europe. Already, GIG got a new daily flight to MCO. They specifically mentioned that GIG will become a major focus for LATAM early next year. LAN Perú recently applied with the Peruvian DGAC to operate LIM-BSB, LIM-CWB, LIM-GIG, LIM-POA, LIM-REC, etc.
Quoting AF086 (Reply 82): AV/TA albeit being smaller is on their toes there connecting GIG to BOG and LIM nonstop.
Once again, you know that LAN offers more connections via LIM compared to Avianca Perú. And the route may possibly be operated by TAM. Didn't TAM just receive authorization from the ANAC for 7 new frequencies to Perú?
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 84, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12765 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 83): Once again, you know that LAN offers more connections via LIM compared to Avianca Perú. And the route may possibly be operated by TAM.
Maybe. But the facts are: this GIG-LIM service by either LP and JJ is being rumoured for a very long time and nothing has happened. The only airline serving GIG from LIM is TA so, even with a weaker hub, it's the only player in the market right now.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 83): Didn't TAM just receive authorization from the ANAC for 7 new frequencies to Perú?
They did. But it could be anything: BSB-LIM, GIG-LIM..heck it could even be GRU-LIM at some awful schedule.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 88, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12571 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 87): The GOL Group controls 23% of capacity in South America whereas Avianca-TACA controls a mere 12% of capacity in South America.
And that capacity is mainly in Brazil which is not South America as a whole. I'm talking about South American airline groups.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 90, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12602 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 89): So now the GOL Group is not a South American airline group? Why don't you describe for us what you define as a South American airline group?
South America implies more than one country, meaning an airline group that operates throughout South America in the same way LATAM operates throughout South America and not for 90 percent in one country.
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3513 posts, RR: 21 Reply 91, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12726 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 90): South America implies more than one country, meaning an airline group that operates throughout South America in the same way LATAM operates throughout South America and not for 90 percent in one country.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 92, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12570 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 90): South America implies more than one country, meaning an airline group that operates throughout South America in the same way LATAM operates throughout South America and not for 90 percent in one country.
So now your saying that the GOL group is not a South American airline group because it doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries? Whatever your definition of South American airline group is is irrelevant. The GOL group is a South American airline group that operates into several South American countries and is the second largest airline group in South America after LATAM Airlines Group.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 93, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12559 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 92): So now your saying that the GOL group is not a South American airline group because it doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries? Whatever your definition of South American airline group is is irrelevant. The GOL group is a South American airline group that operates into several South American countries and is the second largest airline group in South America after LATAM Airlines Group.
G3 doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries in the way AV/TA and LATAM have who are the number one and two South American airline groups. That is what operating throughout South America means. Is that clearer to you now?
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 94, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12560 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 93): G3 doesn't have affiliates in other South American countries in the way AV/TA and LATAM have who are the number one and two South American airline groups. That is what operating throughout South America means.
Once again, GOL airlines group is the second largest airline group in South America. A388, you can make up whatever your definition of a South American airline group is; however facts are facts! Move on...
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 95, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12526 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 94): Once again, GOL airlines group is the second largest airline group in South America. A388, you can make up whatever your definition of a South American airline group is; however facts are facts! Move on...
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 96, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12523 times:
Regarding G3, what's the status on their Caribbean flights? Will they add more flights to their existing schedule or add more destinations or change their schedules?
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 98, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12465 times:
Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 97): I have to agree with SCL767 that any airline based in any South American country is a South American airline.
Of course they are, I was only referring to airline groups that have bases/hubs in more then one country. In that case, the only two groups are LATAM and AV/TA who comes in at number two.
If I really have to be clear, with airline groups I meant scheduled airlines, not low cost/nofrills/hybrid carriers.
When looking at it this way, G3 doesn't come in the picture even though they are South American. Why would I want to compare LATAM to G3? I compare them to AV/TA.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 99, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12439 times:
Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 97): I have to agree with SCL767 that any airline based in any South American country is a South American airline.
It's important to note that G3 has more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA; which only has two hubs in South America. G3 also has a significant presence in the Argentine market.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 100, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12420 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 99): It's important to note that G3 has more hubs in South America compared to AV-TA; which only has two hubs in South America. G3 also has a significant presence in the Argentine market.
No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 103, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12450 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 102): No they don't have more hubs in South America, just in Brazil.
So according to your statement, Brazil is not part of South America? It would be great if you could start a separate thread about this subject since it seems like you would like to compare AV-TA to airline groups that are based entirely in South America.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 104, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12450 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 103): So according to your statement, Brazil is not part of South America? It would be great if you could start a separate thread about this subject since it seems like you would like to compare AV-TA to airline groups that are based entirely in South America.
Please read my explanation in reply 98 before posting.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 105, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12439 times:
Back to Brazilian Aviation, LATAM will invest USD20 million to build a new cargo facility at Guarulhos Airport and will upgrade cargo facilities at Congonhas Airport:
As mentioned before, ABSA Cargo is now branded as TAM Cargo. IMO, this is significant since it's the first time that a LAN affiliate has transferred a/c over to a new TAM affiliate: http://www.tamcargo.com.br/
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 106, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12401 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 105): Back to Brazilian Aviation, LATAM will invest USD20 million to build a new cargo facility at Guarulhos Airport and will upgrade cargo facilities at Congonhas Airport:
LAN comenzó a transferir carga a los aviones internacionales de TAM
As mentioned before, ABSA Cargo is now branded as TAM Cargo. IMO, this is significant since it's the first time that a LAN affiliate has transferred a/c over to a new TAM affiliate: http://www.tamcargo.com.br/
Good news. I do like the ABSA Cargo colors much more then the TAM Cargo one:
Rafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 107, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12297 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 104): Please read my explanation in reply 98 before posting.
The problem is that you are working with a definition that you, and you alone agree with... You can't expect other to fit into your somewhat "particular" logic.
jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 471 posts, RR: 0 Reply 108, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12284 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 103): So according to your statement, Brazil is not part of South America?
Oh dear oh dear, we are heading for the same arguments that sank the 'who flies to six continents' thread a while back when war broke out over whether AF flying to PPT meant they flew to Australasia or not!
As a non South American who has had many a [well a few] happy holidays in Brazil here is my two penny/cents worth. Brazil is a South American country which I think accounts for roughly half the land mass and half the population of the continent.
I would therefore without a shadow of a doubt declare that a Brazilian domiciled airline was also a South American Airline.
Maybe a statement something like the following encapsulates the relevant points from the thread above.
'GOL is a major South American airline whose hubs and passenger traffic are mainly/solely based in the Brazilian domestic market.'
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 109, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12208 times:
Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 107): The problem is that you are working with a definition that you, and you alone agree with... You can't expect other to fit into your somewhat "particular" logic.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 110, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12210 times:
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 108): 'GOL is a major South American airline whose hubs and passenger traffic are mainly/solely based in the Brazilian domestic market.'
Thank you jumpset, finally someone how understands what I'm saying.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 111, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12087 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 67): Now LATAM is growing at GIG and has plans to increase regional and long-haul flights at GIG. Plus increasing flights from BSB and CNF into the U.S. LATAM is not the only airline group increasing capacity on profitable flights from Brazil. AA is increasing long-haul flights into Brazil, the EU carriers are increasing flights, the Middle Eastern carriers are increasing flights, etc. By diversifying its operations, carriers like TAM have decreased its risks that have plagued certain other carriers that operate primarily domestic flights with-in Brazil.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 74): 6. TAM will increase frequencies on long-haul routes from GIG later this year and well into next year as LATAM builds up operations at GIG. TAM may launch new regional routes from GIG, i.e. GIG-LIM and GIG-SCL very soon
That's very good and i hear that also. They plan to increase traffic from Lima, Buenos Aires and Santiago thru their "Rio Hub" which lead me think that LA will open a route to MAD and probably, as potential markets, i can see LHR and in a little lower level... pray for ZRH !
LIM-GIG will happen, as well as a better SCL-GIG and as they got (JJ) 14 frequencies from Brazil to Uruguay, i think that JJ will run a 3rd GRU-MVD and their 1st GIG-MVD to also capture connections (PU feed EK, BA, IB and others...)
Quoting A388 (Reply 80): Don't know on what time you are but GRU will expand if Sao Paolo wants to remain a worldwide player. They are hosting the Worldcup and the Olympics, so don't worry. GRU will have to expand and this additional capacity will help the airlines too, including O6.
We need to expand for the Olympics in Rio. The reason is that 99% of competitions happens in Rio so without airport in Rio even connections become impossible.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 112, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12067 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 111): That's very good and i hear that also. They plan to increase traffic from Lima, Buenos Aires and Santiago thru their "Rio Hub" which lead me think that LA will open a route to MAD and probably, as potential markets, i can see LHR and in a little lower level... pray for ZRH !
LIM-GIG will happen, as well as a better SCL-GIG and as they got (JJ) 14 frequencies from Brazil to Uruguay, i think that JJ will run a 3rd GRU-MVD and their 1st GIG-MVD to also capture connections (PU feed EK, BA, IB and others...)
LA currently operates SCL-GIG 2x daily (A320); either LAN or TAM will add a new daily frequency on the SCL-GIG route. LATAM will increase frequencies into MVD from SCL and GRU and will launch LIM-GIG and GIG-MVD. LAN may launch LIM-GIG with the B-767-316ER! Right now, LAN is focused on building up the LIM hub. It's also highly likely that IB may drop BCN-GRU and LATAM may takeover that route. Also, BOG-MAD and GIG-MAD are routes that LATAM will launch in the near-term. MAD is already a focus city for LATAM with daily flights from FRA, GRU, GYE, LIM, and SCL and they will grow their operations at MAD.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 114, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12043 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 113): that would be of course cargo related, not a bad move!
It would also mobilize more pax via the LIM hub from Brazil; which will enable LAN to offer new connections via LIM. It would increase competition on the LIM-GIG route. LAN took delivery of another B-767-316ER today and some of them will be transferred to LIM starting next month. LAN will increase frequency and capacity on the LIM-SCL route next month and TAM will increase capacity on the LIM-GRU route in October.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 115, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12036 times:
Interesting analysis from CAPA about TAM and Gol's strategy to increase international fights from Brazil. TAM's international market-share will increase due to the scope of LATAM's South American network as LATAM seeks to reduce its exposure to the Brazilian domestic market:
Quote: Management of the newly-formed LATAM is stressing that TAM’s focus throughout the remainder of 2012 and into 2013 will be to captilise on the success of its long-haul flights to the US and transiting more passengers through the combined LAN-TAM network from LAN’s operations in Argentina, Chile and Peru to TAM’s hub in Rio de Janeiro to bolster long-haul connections from the airport. Those moves allow LATAM as a whole to reduce its exposure to the Brazilian domestic market, which accounted for roughy 37% of the company’s capacity during 1H2012.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 116, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11976 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 115): TAM and Gol continue to rein in capacity as Brazil's economy slows
Interesting article indeed, I'm especially interested in Gol's plans for international expansion. What happened to their planned Brazil-CCS-MIA flight which was supposed to start in June if I'm not mistaken? Will it still happen?
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 118, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11932 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 116): Interesting article indeed, I'm especially interested in Gol's plans for international expansion.
G3 is not expanding its international operations; G3 is merely restructuring its international services. G3 used to operate POA-MVD 2x daily, G3 now operates GRU-MVD daily and POA-MVD daily, the GRU-CGR-VVI route will operate as GRU-VVI daily, and GRU-ASU operates daily. G3 recently dropped the POA-SCL route and will soon discontinue services to SCL.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 120, posted (9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11853 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 117): it was rejected by Venezuela (INAC) - no surprise at all, but really a shame specially with these high prices these days ex CCS !!
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 118): G3 is not expanding its international operations;
Thanks guys. Regarding G3's MIA plans, what will happen now and why was it rejected by the INAC? There was also talk about G3 wanting to set up a hub in SDQ for the region? What's that status? A link to an article:
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 121, posted (9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11806 times:
LAN continues to add more flights into GRU. Effective 17DEC12, LA will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 41x weekly. Thus LATAM will operate the SCL-GRU route 55x weekly.
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 122, posted (9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11720 times:
In the end JJ operated flights between GRU and BOG WILL be cancelled. JJ already sent a press release to the market informing that the GRU-BOG service will be offered ONLY by Aires.
The release states that the reason behind this change is "to make a better use of the group's resources".
So it will be:
EFF 10SEPT12
LA3505 BOG0535 – 1325GRU 320 D
LA3506 GRU1430 – 1840BOG 320 D
JJ8017 BOG1910 - 0315GRU 320 D - CANCELLED
JJ8016 GRU1240 - 1640BOG 320 D - CANCELLED
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 123, posted (9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 11688 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 122): JJ already sent a press release to the market informing that the GRU-BOG service will be offered ONLY by Aires.
TAM should not be calling LAN Colombia "AIRES". LAN Airlines has changed the name to LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. On LAN.com, all flights operated by LAN Colombia are shown as operated by LAN Colombia Airlines S.A. Also, the service will be operated with the B-737-700. The next two A-320s that LAN is transferring to Colombia will operate domestic routes.
Quote:
From september 10th, the direct connection between the two airports will be made by LAN Colombia, who will operate the route with the Airbus A320 which a schedule that offers convenience for the passengers travelling between the two hubs.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 125, posted (9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 11665 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 124): As for they type the release is pretty clear: the route will be operated by an A320:
It's on a B-737-700 on LAN.com and on TAM.com.br/ LAN Colombia applied to operate the route with either the B-737-700, A-320 or the B-767-316ER. Thus, LAN could change equipment on the route in the future, but right now it's being operated with the B-737-700.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 127, posted (9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11260 times:
LATAM NW schedule from BOG, BUE, LIM, and SCL into GIG, GRU and IGU:
SCL-GRU 8x daily operated by LA/JJ:
SCL-GRU 6x daily operated by LAN (B763 2x daily, A319 2x daily, A320 2x daily)
SCL-GRU 2x daily operated by TAM (B77W daily, A320 daily)
SCL-GIG 2x daily operated by LA:
SCL-GIG 2x daily operated by LAN (A320)
BUE-GRU 9x daily operated by JJ/PZ/4M:
EZE-GRU 2x daily operated by LAN (A320)
EZE-GRU 2x daily operated by TAM (A332 daily, A320 daily)
EZE-GRU 2x daily operated by TAM Paraguay (A320 2x daily)
AEP-GRU 3x daily operated by TAM (A320 3x daily)
EZE-GIG 3x daily operated by TAM:
EZE-GIG 3x daily operated by TAM (A332 daily, A320 2x daily)
BOG-GRU daily operated by LAN Colombia:
BOG-GRU daily (B73G daily)
LIM-GRU 3x daily operated by LP/JJ:
LIM-GRU 2x daily operated by LAN Perú (B763 daily, A319 daily)
LIM-GRU daily operated by TAM (A332 daily)
LIM-IGU 4x weekly operated by LP:
LIM-IGU 4x weekly operated by LAN Perú (A319)
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 129, posted (9 months 3 days ago) and read 11010 times:
Here is TAM's newest B77W PT-MTE landing at KPAE today on a customer flight. There's a really nice plane taxing adjacent to TAM's B77W while it is landing: http://youtu.be/d-4VOcOrqHE
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 132, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10824 times:
Quoting incitatus (Reply 131): Singapore Airlines is expanding its presence in Brazil with a cargo flight between VCP and Dallas. It lands on Fridays 12:25 and departs at 15:25.
That's great. LAN Cargo will further expand its presence in Brazil when it receives two new B-777-F16s starting next month.
andrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 379 posts, RR: 0 Reply 134, posted (8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10594 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 115): TAM and Gol continue to rein in capacity as Brazil's economy slows
It may be slowing but what G3 and JJ charge on domestic fares is just ridiculous, sometimes it's CHAPER to fly to AUA CUR LIM return than going from north to south in BR!
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 136, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10148 times:
On 12JAN13, LA will commence seasonal non-stop flights between Santiago and Florianópolis, Brasil for the high season. Service will operates up to 4x weekly:
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 13 Reply 140, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9675 times:
Avianca and Taca unify their brazilian operations, another step forward for the upcoming brand unification, Avianca Brasil will be representing both airlines in the brazilian market:
744lover From Brazil, joined Nov 2000, 164 posts, RR: 0 Reply 141, posted (8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9494 times:
Acording to Azul's CEO David Neelman, international flights out of VCP are not out of scope and could start in 2015 with "bigger airplanes". The big infrastructure boost that VCP is facing will facilitate such flights.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 142, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9259 times:
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So a lot of news:
* CM will introduce a 4x PTY-GRU daily flight eff Dec/16
CM702 GRU 0430 PTY 0920 D 738
CM703 PTY 1930 GRU 0420+1 D 738
* TA will reduce once again LIM-GRU to 10x weekly for the upcoming IATA winter season
* JJ to retire the 763 fleet and will run MIA-GIG and MIA-MAO daily with A332, and BSB-MIA 4x weekly + CNF-MIA 3x weekly also with A332.
* JJ schedule on JFK-GIG-JFK will change, with an early night departure out of JFK and earlier departure from GIG. Times will be better for NYC residents - Effective November
JJ8078 GIG 2215 JFK 0525 (+1)
JJ8079 JFK 1830 GIG 0720 (+1)
* KE will upgauge LAX-GRU to 77W allowing more J class offer (nowadays B772)
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 146, posted (8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8990 times:
If I counted right AA is about to break the 100 flights per week in the Brazilian market with the additions that come in before the end of year - actually 102 frequencies.
AV and TA should follow LA by using 5th liberty in Brazil, as international flights are not O6's focus.
If AV and TA make that, destinations in Mercosur, BUE in particular, could be offered and limitations in the bilateral agreements be skirted. Moreover, they could offer destinations in Europe and even in Africa out of Brazil.
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 150, posted (7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8207 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 149): It seems to me too much offer for this moment.
Would be better if they deploy the 772 on JFK-GIG, and run MIA-GIG daily to make DFW-GIG daily.
While I read that DFW-GIG is going daily for peak season, I have not seen it for sale anywhere. Also AA Brazil said the market will have 108 frequencies. I counted 102, plus 4 x extra DFW-GIG that would be 106. What they said has not added up so far.
Didn't AA run JFK-GIG 777 last year? I would think they have good basis for not bringing it back.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 149): AA seems lost with so many increases... i can't see that additional demand.
For January the Brazil-US market can absorb whatever capacity is thrown in. I heard the wait time for a visa at the Rio Consulate is now 1-2 days so a lot less advance planning is needed, which expands the market.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 151, posted (7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8203 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 150):
While I read that DFW-GIG is going daily for peak season, I have not seen it for sale anywhere. Also AA Brazil said the market will have 108 frequencies. I counted 102, plus 4 x extra DFW-GIG that would be 106. What they said has not added up so far.
Didn't AA run JFK-GIG 777 last year? I would think they have good basis for not bringing it back.
What i heard is that due to the fact they are launching (doubt if they will confirm this year-round...performance looks terrible) the daylight JFK-GRU, they schedule the arrival with the late night GRU-MIA nowadays operated with B763. Of course they needed an extra pair of 772 for this.
Plus, another 772 will be deployed on a 3x weekly DFW-GRU during January.
Between us, it is hard to believe that 3 772 on MIA-GRU makes more sense on an economic point of view compared to offer F on a new market. I just think there's too much F offer to Sao Paulo right now by AA: 2 JFK, 3 MIA (4 on weekends) 1 or 2 DFW... it means a daily offer of at least 90 seats (up to 120).
Result is ... easy way to burn miles on a 62.500 miles frequent flyer ticket. That's good for passengers... but not to the airline as it seems they went far above the elasticity of demand.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 152, posted (7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8272 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 151): Between us, it is hard to believe that 3 772 on MIA-GRU makes more sense on an economic point of view compared to offer F on a new market.
At first I agree with that, but without knowing actual results I cannot be confident that it would be better to place the 777 into GIG.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 151):
What i heard is that due to the fact they are launching (doubt if they will confirm this year-round...performance looks terrible) the daylight JFK-GRU,
The 77W is coming to the overnight JFK-GRU. I can't wait to try it. It will be another 60 seats. I agree, that could take the daylight down, but over holidays and vacation periods it will all book up. I think the pattern of US-Brazil travel has shifted somewhat. Carnival for example is becoming a big outbound travel period with Brazilians taking a short vacation instead of staying in a country where every business is closed.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 156, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7760 times:
The deadline set by the TDLC for LATAM to release slots at GRU for new carriers to launch services on the SCL-GRU route has expired with no carriers showing any interest in launching services on the SCL-GRU route. Thus, the process will repeat itself for the next IATA season.
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On 29OCT12, LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 6x daily. Therefore, LATAM will operate the SCL-GRU route 8x daily.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 158, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7502 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 130): So we will have as expected 2 more daily service to MVD by Latam
3rd GRU-MVD
And first GIG-MVD
LATAM will soon begin to increase flights into MVD with three new daily flights; thus LATAM will operate seven daily flights into MVD. On 25OCT12, TAM will increase frequency on the GRU-MVD route to 3x daily (A32A).
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 159, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7244 times:
Quoting ghost77 (Reply 153): Airbus excel sheet shows CRUZEIRO DO SUL operated 2 Airbus 300.
The original order was for four aircraft. After receiving two frames painted as Cruzeiro, Varig decided to get the other two painted as Varig so that they could freely operate RG's routes into Miami.
I had the pleasure of seeing the Cruzeiro Airbus at Congonhas and it was quite a sight in the modest dimension of the patio. It dwarfed everything around it.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 161, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7069 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 160): American put out GIG-DFW daily for high season with a slightly different departure time out GIG.
It also rounded up GRU-MIA to four daily - previously it was 26 times a week. And DFW-GRU is going to 10 times a week.
I was expecting and heard about GRU-MIA 3x daily + additional weekend flights. I believe it is too much to have both GRU-JFK and GRU-MIA daylights , every day !
GIG and GRU-DFW additional flights are expected to be operated only during December and January, AFAIK.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 162, posted (7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6949 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 161): I believe it is too much to have both GRU-JFK and GRU-MIA daylights , every day !
That is what TAM has year-around. Though with the upgrade to 77W, they are keeping the daylights with A330.
The daylight flights don't need to have the same sort of yield as the overnight ones. It is much more an excercise of marginal cost vs. marginal revenue than full cost.
In the mid-90s I used to fly NY-LHR a lot and the route fell below the 8-hour limit my company authorized business class travel. As we all flew coach, the morning departures out of JFK were very popular in my office. Because of this, I have the feeling that daylights tend to have good quality coach revenue - business travel limited to coach will prefer daylights.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 161): GIG and GRU-DFW additional flights are expected to be operated only during December and January, AFAIK
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 163, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6870 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 162): That is what TAM has year-around. Though with the upgrade to 77W, they are keeping the daylights with A330.
But Incitatus, TAM does that with a clear hub structure and focusing O&D New York. That's easy. Their flights in the morning got passengers from Belo Horizonte, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre...
AA will not be able to do it with a 7:40 AM departure. That's just São Paulo O&D and during week days, due to traffic, you need to leave your home by 5-5:30 AM.
Quoting incitatus (Reply 162): The daylight flights don't need to have the same sort of yield as the overnight ones. It is much more an excercise of marginal cost vs. marginal revenue than full cost.
I would agree with you if AA faces normal times. But nowadays, giving the shortage of crew (and sometimes equipment), flying a low yield flight is far from being smart. It is a waste of valuable resources (labor).
Quoting incitatus (Reply 162): Correct. And MIA-GRU goes back to 26 x week.
26x or 21x weekly ? I believe regular MIA-GRU is 3x daily
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 167, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6723 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 163): AA will not be able to do it with a 7:40 AM departure. That's just São Paulo O&D and during week days, due to traffic, you need to leave your home by 5-5:30 AM.
The AA schedule seems to be anchored in JFK because as we cycle through daylight savings changes, the arrival time in JFK stays around 4:40 pm. The GRU departure time is the one that moves to a later time. JJ does the opposite, so it seems AA is not so interested in feeding the flight in GRU.
Besides domestic connections GRU-JFK daylight is going to connect to JFK-HND. And the return HND-GRU also flows nicely through JFK.
Quoting B2468 (Reply 164): Sorry for the rather silly (only tangentially related to aviation) question, but I figured the Brazilian Aviation thread was the best place to ask:
What is the correct way to pronounce "Congonhas" and "Guarulhos" using Brazilian Portuguese?
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 171, posted (7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6212 times:
On 15NOV12, TAM will launch GIG-MVD daily:
JJ8038 GIG 07:44 MVD 10:50 Daily A-32A
JJ8039 MVD 18:30 GIG 21:07 Daily A-32A
Quoting AF086 (Reply 170): JJ requested their first GIG-SCL services:
That's great news!
Quoting AF086 (Reply 170): Perhaps LA will reschedula LA784/5 due to its SCL-GIG being too close to LA's own service that will be introduced this january (LA792).
Most likely LAN will reschedule LA784/LA785 and operate LA772/LA773 and LA784/LA785 with the A-319s. Also, JJ hasn't loaded its GIG-LIM service as yet. Perhaps LAN Perú will launch the route. LAN just revealed that it will significantly increase flights at LIM next year and will transfer more B-767-316ERs and A-319s over to LAN Perú.
RAGAZZO777 From Peru, joined Jul 2010, 553 posts, RR: 1 Reply 172, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6093 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 171): Also, JJ hasn't loaded its GIG-LIM service as yet. Perhaps LAN Perú will launch the route.
Yeah, I'd noticed that like 2 weeks ago. IMO, LP should operate the route with the 767 in order to offer a consistent product for passengers flying GIG-LAX/MEX/SFO via LIM.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 173, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5854 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 142): TA will reduce once again LIM-GRU to 10x weekly for the upcoming IATA winter season
TA will further decrease frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 7x weekly (A-320) in January. LAN Perú plans to add another daily service on the LIM-GRU route next March.
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 172): Yeah, I'd noticed that like 2 weeks ago. IMO, LP should operate the route with the 767 in order to offer a consistent product for passengers flying GIG-LAX/MEX/SFO via LIM.
LAN Perú could eventually operate the route alongside TAM. However, TAM is transferring 5 A320s from its domestic operations to operate regional routes.
TAM Airlines:
GIG-MVD+7
GIG-SCL+7
GIG-LIM (7 weekly frequencies allocated to TAM)
GRU-MVD+7
TAM also has 7 additional weekly frequencies allocated for a service between Brasil and Chile. TAM may also launch GRU-VVI. It's highly likely that TAM Paraguay will increase operations by launching routes, i.e. ASU-LIM, ASU-LPB, ASU-MVD, etc.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9073 posts, RR: 13 Reply 174, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5602 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 173): Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 142):
TA will reduce once again LIM-GRU to 10x weekly for the upcoming IATA winter season
TA will further decrease frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 7x weekly (A-320) in January. LAN Perú plans to add another daily service on the LIM-GRU route next March.
And what are TA's plans for the LIM-GRU route starting March? That's when the summer schedules start and most airlines start increasing their frequencies again.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 175, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5585 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 174): And what are TA's plans for the LIM-GRU route starting March?
Perhaps someone on the Colombian aviation thread can answer that question, (TA is also reducing frequencies on other regional routes via LIM during January as well).
Quoting A388 (Reply 174): That's when the summer schedules start and most airlines start increasing their frequencies again.
Not necessarily, LAN increases frequencies on various routes throughout the year. For example on 10SEP12, LAN Colombia increased frequency on the BOG-GRU route from 2x weekly to a daily service.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 177, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5187 times:
Tomorrow, TAM will further increase capacity on the GRU-MIA route and will operate GRU-MIA 2x daily with the B77Ws!
TAM's newest B77Ws PT-MUE and PT-MUF:
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4075 posts, RR: 5 Reply 178, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5127 times:
Quoting AF086 (Reply 155): Apparently, Condor will keep their new FRA-GIG service after 12/13 winter season. The flight is already bookable into 13 summer season.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 179, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5099 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 178):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 173):
TA will further decrease frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 7x weekly (A-320) in January
We have now to consider both LIM and BOG as the departing stations to Sao Paulo regarding the coming AV/TA status.
Are you sure it is not due to TA's less than stellar LFs on the route? No doubt that TA's reduction in frequencies into LATAM's hubs from LIM will benefit AV-TA's operations at their BOG hub. It's interesting to note that TA is also decreasing frequency on the LIM-SCL route to 7x weekly as well, (the LIM-SCL route is the fastest growing route between both countries). However, LATAM will benefit from TA's decrease in frequencies and will increase frequency and capacity on these routes. Oh and LAN is boosting domestic flights too...
This route is growing steadily. KL launched it at W11/12, is increasing to 4x weekly W12/13 and, apparently, will boost the frequencies again at S13.
In the first weeks of operation it was said that EZE was a best performer station than GIG. It seems now that GIG continues moving up going now 5x weekly while EZE will remain 3x weekly. And next summer, we will have in Rio the first major sport event: The FIFA Confederations Cup.
Lets see what June reserves to Rio.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 179): Are you sure it is not due to TA's less than stellar LFs on the route? No doubt that TA's reduction in frequencies into LATAM's hubs from LIM will benefit AV-TA's operations at their BOG hub. It's interesting to note that TA is also decreasing frequency on the LIM-SCL route to 7x weekly as well
Very strange. Sao Paulo is losing now 11x weekly flights from Lima.
And there are rumors about LP about to announce plans for LIM-GIG-MAD.
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 178): As far as I know, DE FRA-MAO even manages charter services in such route.
Will this service be available in 2013?
So far FRA-REC 2x weekly + FRA-GIG 2x weekly + FRA-SSA 1x weekly.
May be in 2014 considering MAO is a World Cup Host City.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 181, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5044 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 180): Very strange. Sao Paulo is losing now 11x weekly flights from Lima.
TAM is increasing capacity on the GRU-LIM route this month with the A332. LAN will increase frequency on the LIM-GRU route next March. LA is increasing frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 6x daily later this month; thus LA/JJ will operate the route 8x daily.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 180): And there are rumors about LP about to announce plans for LIM-GIG-MAD.
Most likely LA may operate that route; similar to LA operating SCL-GIG-MIA with the B763. Initially, LAN is keen on opening new non-stop routes to Europe from both SCL and LIM with the 787s next year.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 182, posted (7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4989 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 180): And there are rumors about LP about to announce plans for LIM-GIG-MAD.
LAN's fleet plans remain very flexible; thanks to the new B-767-316ERs continuously joining the fleet. LAN Perú initially planned to launch LIM-GIG 4x weekly with the B763. Perhaps LAN will eventually launch this route alongside TAM in order to increase competition with TA. While AV will base A332s at LIM soon, LAN has already begun to transfer new B-767-316ERs to LAN Perú. Also, LAN will deploy the A343s on the SCL-LIM-LAX route starting in April 2013; which will free up 2 more B-767-316ERs. However, LAN will continue to operate the LIM-MAD route non-stop. Next year, five B-787s will be deployed on routes to Europe. Is LAN interested in dropping the daily tag-on to FRA; we'll have to wait and see...IMO, LIM-FRA, LIM-LHR, SCL-FRA, and SCL-LHR are appealing 787 routes. LAN already has slots at FRA; and LAN views FRA as a very important destination...
RAGAZZO777 From Peru, joined Jul 2010, 553 posts, RR: 1 Reply 183, posted (7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4955 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 180): there are rumors about LP about to announce plans for LIM-GIG-MAD
Really ? I haven't honestly heard any of that. If anything, LP was supposed to increase its flight frequency on the Lima-Madrid route with more non-stop flights.
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 181): TAM is increasing capacity on the GRU-LIM route this month with the A332. LAN will increase frequency on the LIM-GRU route next March. LA is increasing frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 6x daily later this month; thus LA/JJ will operate the route 8x daily.
Hopefully, LP will introduce a second daily service on the Lima-São Paulo route with the Boeing 767.
.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 182): LAN Perú initially planned to launch LIM-GIG 4x weekly with the B763.
..which brings up the question: will LATAM launch Lima-Rio flights someday ?
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 184, posted (7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4948 times:
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 183): If anything, LP was supposed to increase its flight frequency on the Lima-Madrid route with more non-stop flights.
LAN Perú can increase frequency on the LIM-MAD route anytime the airline wants too. Currently, LAN Perú is primarily focused on reinforcing frequencies to the U.S. For example, LIM-LAX now operates 13x weekly; and in three weeks, LAN Perú will increase frequency on the LIM-MIA route to 17x weekly and will launch LIM-JFK 4x weekly, (offering 11 weekly non-stop flights between LIM and JFK). That's 10 new weekly frequencies to the U.S., (LAN will then offer 45 weekly non-stop flights between LIM and the U.S.).
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 182):
LAN Perú initially planned to launch LIM-GIG 4x weekly with the B763.
..which brings up the question: will LATAM launch Lima-Rio flights someday ?
TAM did apply with the ANAC for the route and LATAM is focused on increasing regional and long-haul flights from GIG; i.e. GIG-LIM, GIG-MCO, GIG-MVD, GIG-SCL, etc. TAM simply hasn't loaded the GIG-LIM flights as yet. However, LIM will soon get another daily flight to both LPB/VVI and to SCL. LATAM certainly is increasing its international market-share in the Peruvian market.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 185, posted (7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4858 times:
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EK will downgauge DXB-GIG-EZE to 77L by December. No difference in F/J seats, but less cargo and Y seats. Seems EZE is not performing as expected and nowadays the majority of traffic comes from/to Rio de Janeiro.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 182): LAN's fleet plans remain very flexible; thanks to the new B-767-316ERs continuously joining the fleet. LAN Perú initially planned to launch LIM-GIG 4x weekly with the B763
For your info, JJ removed their request for GIG-LIM service. I don't know yet why but i believe it is in favor of a daily LA/LP flight.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 184): TAM did apply with the ANAC for the route and LATAM is focused on increasing regional and long-haul flights from GIG; i.e. GIG-LIM, GIG-MCO, GIG-MVD, GIG-SCL, etc. TAM simply hasn't loaded the GIG-LIM flights as yet.
This is part of Latam plans to build up GIG as a hub. There are plans for a GIG-ASU in 2013 and i would not rule out a GIG-BOG. I see Latam very focused to link GIG with their main markets.
As i said above, GIG-LIM request was removed from ANAC.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 186, posted (7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4824 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 185): For your info, JJ removed their request for GIG-LIM service. I don't know yet why but i believe it is in favor of a daily LA/LP flight.
Then perhaps LAN Perú will apply with the ANAC to operate LIM-GIG. Also, LAN Perú might apply for CUZ-IGU 3x weekly as part of its South American tourist circuit.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 185): There are plans for a GIG-ASU in 2013 and i would not rule out a GIG-BOG. I see Latam very focused to link GIG with their main markets.
As i said above, GIG-LIM request was removed from ANAC.
It's has been mentioned that TAM Paraguay will also launch ASU-LIM and ASU-MVD next year. LATAM is also very focused on developing BOG. IMO, BOG-GIG will not happen until LAN Colombia launches short-haul routes via BOG, i.e. BOG-AUA, BOG-CCS, BOG-CUR, BOG-MAR, BOG-PTY, BOG-SJO, BOG-VLN, and eventually BOG-YYZ, etc. LAN is taking on a lot of new A320 family a/c next year and is focused on increasing domestic flights via BOG, phasing out the B73Gs, and raising the service standards of LAN Colombia before it becomes a oneworld affiliate carrier. LAN Colombia plans on deploying the B763 on the BOG-GRU route early next year and will launch BOG-JFK, BOG-LAX and BOG-MAD during the next few months. TAM is the one that will have to launch new routes into and via BOG from Brazil due to various bilateral treaties between Colombia, Brazil and certain other countries.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 189, posted (7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4238 times:
On 19NOV12, TAM will launch B77W service on the GRU-JFK route 4x weekly initially; which increases to 9x weekly on 17DEC12:
JJ8080 GRU 22:25 JFK 05:25+1 B77W (Mo, We, Fr, Su) increases to daily service on 17DEC
JJ8081 JFK 17:40 GRU 06:35+1 B77W (Mo, Tu, Th, Sa) increases to daily service on 17DEC
Quote: Rio de Janeiro will get direct flights to Mexico next year. Scheduled for May, Aeromexico's flights between Rio de Janeiro and Mexico City will be flown three times a week. "We expected this new route to be created this year, but it will be launched at 2013", said Aeromexico's commercial manager Bruna de Freitas.
(...)
Rio's flights will be operated by the Boeing 767.[/quote]
Plus today LAN has increased frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 6x daily. Thus, LA/JJ now operate the SCL-GRU route 8x daily offering more connectivity via GRU.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 196, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3185 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 195):
Plus today LAN has increased frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 6x daily. Thus, LA/JJ now operate the SCL-GRU route 8x daily offering more connectivity via GRU.
Be prepared... TAM expects to run GRU-SCL 3x daily.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8265 posts, RR: 5 Reply 197, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3171 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 196): Be prepared... TAM expects to run GRU-SCL 3x daily.
LA/JJ operating SCL-GRU 9x daily really is not surprising since more pax are connecting onto JJ operated flights via GRU. Traffic on the route is growing; especially since the combination between LAN and TAM concluded.
incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3777 posts, RR: 14 Reply 198, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3129 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 197): LA/JJ operating SCL-GRU 9x daily really is not surprising since more pax are connecting onto JJ operated flights via GRU. Traffic on the route is growing; especially since the combination between LAN and TAM concluded.
I wonder if this will have a negative effect on LAN's SCL-MAD.
AF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1032 posts, RR: 10 Reply 201, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2746 times:
EFF 14JAN13
AZ670 FCO 1105 1655 FOR MoFr 777
AZ671 FOR 1855 0815 FCO MoFr 777
Schedule is loaded until 27MAR so it is unclear what AZ will do after that.
This route was announced by AZ's CEO a few weeks ago. And it is very surprising that AZ will use the 772 on the route. Perhaps the 332 fleet is streched.
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