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Delta Up-Gauges ATL-EZE To A332  
User currently offlineJonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

According to GDS starting October 27, 2012 Delta Airlines will up-gauge equipment on the Atlanta- Buenos Aires route from 767-300ER to A330-200. Interesting to see them up-gauge during the slow season or is South America traffic stronger in the Northern Hemisphere's winter?

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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

That's almost southern hemisphere summer - it's a busy time (though January-February is the highest point for most US-South America routes). That's a nice hard product upgrade as well, at least with regard to the non-upgraded 763s.


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

Does DL serve JFK-EZE?

User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10418 times:

Not only will Delta upgauge equipment on the ATL-EZE route, but ATL-LIM will also get an A332 during the northern hemisphere's winter (according to GDS). 


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Quoting klwright69 (Reply 2):
Does DL serve JFK-EZE?

No, Delta doesn't operate JFK-EZE.

[Edited 2012-07-14 11:41:25]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 9955 times:

Traffic is much stronger in the Northern winter. AA is also putting more frequency of MIAEZE and putting a 777 on DFWEZE.


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User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9630 times:

Could it be to hold more cargo and not just additional people? There is a lot of perishables coming out of South America during the North American winter months.

User currently offlineN126DL From United States of America, joined May 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9151 times:
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Which route might the 332 be pulled off of to free up this bird? Are there any spares floating around the system?


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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8634 times:

Quoting N126DL (Reply 6):
Which route might the 332 be pulled off of to free up this bird? Are there any spares floating around the system?

No doubt routes like ATL-AMS, ATL-DUB and ATL-LOS. ATL-LOS was just announced to be flat bed on the 767.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8496 times:
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Interesting.

ATL-GIG goes back to 764 also.



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User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting N126DL (Reply 6):
Which route might the 332 be pulled off of to free up this bird? Are there any spares floating around the system?

According to the http://airlineroute.net/, JFK-SVO, and JFK-CDG were supposed to be A332 this winter, but will now be 767-400. That could be the answer.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8205 times:

It has to be 2 332s to come out of Europe to fun ATL-EZE. Also does a 332 have more capacity pax and cargo than a 763. I don't consider avod to be a gauge upgrade.

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8187 times:
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Could this flight also be upgauged since the 763ERs are undergoing head to tail cabin renovations? This is the perfect time to do this.

User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 3):
No, Delta doesn't operate JFK-EZE.

But they used to correct?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7459 times:
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Important to say the A332 on DL is less premium than even the 763. With just 32J shows that DL is expecting less premium demand from EZE in fact.

The 764 for example offers 40J in the flat bed configuration (as well as the AVOD system), and the 763, 30 or 36J.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Do AR, LA etc up-gauge their craft too, during this season, to the U.S.?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7291 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):
Do AR, LA etc up-gauge their craft too, during this season, to the U.S.?

LA is increasing frequencies on many routes to the U.S. starting in September using the B763s. LA's A343s will be used to increase flights into AKL and SYD during the high season.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17493 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):
It has to be 2 332s to come out of Europe to fun ATL-EZE.

DL, and every other carrier, has plenty of airplanes not flying to Europe in the northern Winter.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):
Do AR, LA etc up-gauge their craft too, during this season, to the U.S.?

AR doesn't even know what year it's operating; it certainly doesn't know what season



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6854 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
ortant to say the A332 on DL is less premium than even the 763. With just 32J shows that DL is expecting less premium demand from EZE in fact.

The 764 for example offers 40J in the flat bed configuration (as well as the AVOD system), and the 763, 30 or 36J.

Remember, on the non-upgraded 763s and all the 764s it's actually 29 or 35 (763) and 39 (764) due to one seat being blocked for the non-flying pilot.

I think it has more to do with the rear cabin. The 764 would be perfect but they're all tied up flying to LHR and th big *A hubs among other places.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6771 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Traffic is much stronger in the Northern winter. AA is also putting more frequency of MIAEZE and putting a 777 on DFWEZE.

Starting in October, AR will also increase frequency on the EZE-MIA route to 2x daily, (A343). Thus, there will be 6 daily non-stop flights between EZE and MIA.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17493 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Important to say the A332 on DL is less premium than even the 763. With just 32J shows that DL is expecting less premium demand from EZE in fact.

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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12):

Yes very briefly we operated JFK-EZE-JFK.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4174 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Remember, on the non-upgraded 763s and all the 764s it's actually 29 or 35 (763) and 39 (764) due to one seat being blocked for the non-flying pilot.

Well pointed but it seems the 764 is nowadays a superior product. DL this week announced their plans to keep ATL-GIG as 764 and to use , as soon as they become available an updated 763 on DTW-GRU.
It seems South America become a priority for Delta.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
It seems South America become a priority for Delta.

It's a big shift, as hard product has historically not been a priority for the US legacies to South America. Many AA flights have been on AB6, 752 and 763 product with awful and uncompetitive products, and the (old configuration) 763 was traditionally the mainstay of DL's South America service. Heck, DL even used domestic configured 764s to LIM for a while in the 2005-2007 time frame.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3789 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):

It's a big shift, as hard product has historically not been a priority for the US legacies to South America. Many SA)">AA flights have been on AB6, 752 and 763 product with awful and uncompetitive products, and the (old configuration) 763 was traditionally the mainstay of SA)">DL's South America service. Heck, SA)">DL even used domestic configured 764s to LIM for a while in the 2005-2007 time frame.

It's great they are trying to offer a better product now.

Heck before that, they were flying 757s on ATL-LIM for years! Isn't it accurate to say it's the shortest flight into deep SA?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):

For what I consider deep SA I'd think so. BSB is a ways away and DL flies there daily with 757s.



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25 PDPsol : LIM is barely on the "deep South America threshold", at only 3,200NM from ATL, while GIG, GRU and EZE are all 4,700-5,000NM from ATL. Northern market
26 FlyASAGuy2005 : So, what is it?.. Good point. Wasn't EZE another route that regularly got the 764 when it was 36F (domestic F)?
27 panamair : No, they never flew the domestic 764 down to EZE; you may have been thinking of LIM. EZE has always had real BusinessElite-configured aircraft.
28 FlyASAGuy2005 : Indeed correct. So what does that say about LIM? Even today it usually gets a 76G on alternating days vs. a regular 763ER.
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