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DL Terminating Partnership With 9W & IT  
User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10883 times:

Just noticed on the DL website that DL is terminating its partnership with 9W & IT effective October 2012.
I was expecting the same with respect to IT but am a bit surprised about Jet Airways.
So now DL has no partner in India and the DL frequent flyers cannot accrue any miles when flying on airlines from India.
I have a feeling this is a hint about 9W and their alliance choice but I have been wrong before.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7239 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10685 times:

I have a feeling it's with IT's financial issues, so that one isn't so shocking to me.

9W on the other hand is a bit of a surprise.

However, they do have that flight from AMS, along with KL flights from AMS and AF flights from CDG, so maybe those have been doing well enough for the codeshare.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

I'm sorry but my phone win't tell me what IT is. What airline is it?

User currently offlinespartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10608 times:

IT=Kingfisher India and the subject of innumerable comments concerning financial viability.


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10595 times:

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 3):

Thanks. I knew I heard learned that a while back but I forgot it.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12907 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10531 times:
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Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
I have a feeling this is a hint about 9W and their alliance choice but I have been wrong before.

With 9W, that was my first thought. With IT... eh, they are not the airline they were a year ago.

Why would DL end the partnership with 9W? That implies that 9W is *not* going with Skyteam. So the question is, which alliance for them?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10460 times:

At the same time didn't 9W basically abandon their Brussels "hub" virtually overnight?


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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10206 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
Why would DL end the partnership with 9W? That implies that 9W is *not* going with Skyteam. So the question is, which alliance for them?

This is really disappointing as it decreases the likelihood of Jet in SkyTeam. 9W is a great carrier and it's a shame that DL is ending their relationship.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10198 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
However, they do have that flight from AMS, along with KL flights from AMS and AF flights from CDG, so maybe those have been doing well enough for the codeshare.

They have had those flights for years. But one could earn DL miles flying 9W domestic in India as well as other international 9W flights. That will not be possible starting October.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
At the same time didn't 9W basically abandon their Brussels "hub" virtually overnight?

9W has not abandoned the BRU hub yet. They have only cut the BRU-JFK flight.


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
Just noticed on the DL website that DL is terminating its partnership with 9W & IT effective October 2012.

From what I have heard is that around that time 9W will be consolidating all their NYC operations at EWR


User currently offlineWarmNuts From United States of America, joined May 2006, 94 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

I was a 9W FF from '97-'04. IMO they were a cut above any domestic carrier here in the states, and always a pleasure to fly. I'm sure we'll see them in an alliance irrespective of their partnership (or lack of) with DL.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

It must mean that DL is about to make a move to buy AS (wooooooo, I know I'm something with this one).

9W is easily the best Indian carrier so it wouldn't be for safety or quality type issues, for sure.


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7479 times:
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Could it be a possible tie up with AL. I remember reading a rumor of an offer for them to join sky team and get into the DL/AF/KLM/AZ cross Atlantic JV.

User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):

Why would DL end the partnership with 9W? That implies that 9W is *not* going with Skyteam. So the question is, which alliance for them?

Considering the fact that 9W does code share with SN, they could very well end up joining Star Alliance.

KL692



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

IT was expected - they will be going belly up soon enough..

The 9W decision is likely to do with compensation agreements for mileage crediting, which 9W has been trying to amend with a variety of carriers recently.

Regardless, anybody who follows Indian aviation knows that the political and economic factors which will affect alliance choice have very little to do with current partners or route network.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 9):
From what I have heard is that around that time 9W will be consolidating all their NYC operations at EWR

All their operations? 9W has only one flight to JFK and that is going away soon. After that there will be only one 9W flight to the US and that will be the BRU-EWR flight.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 12):
Could it be a possible tie up with AL. I remember reading a rumor of an offer for them to join sky team and get into the DL/AF/KLM/AZ cross Atlantic JV.

That offer was for 9W and not for AI... if that is what you meant when you said AL.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12907 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2949 times:
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Did 9W ever official announce if/where they would move their scissor hub? Or was that just a rumor?

Quoting kl692 (Reply 13):
Considering the fact that 9W does code share with SN, they could very well end up joining Star Alliance.

I thought that, but *A seems to be delaying accepting both an Indian airline and a mid-east airline. I haven't figured out why. It would benefit the alliance. Well... except for TK.  
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 14):
IT was expected - they will be going belly up soon enough..

I'm amazed that 'zombie corporation' is still operating. I do not see to what advantage it is to keep IT going; unless it is to 'smooth the downward transition' and give 6E time to have aircraft delivered.   

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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
I thought that, but *A seems to be delaying accepting both an Indian airline and a mid-east airline. I haven't figured out why. It would benefit the alliance. Well... except for TK.

Star Alliance is not delaying accepting 9W. They are very much keen to have 9W in the alliance. It is the Govt. of India that is not allowing 9W to join Star. This has been discussed a lot here on anet.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12907 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
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Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 17):
Star Alliance is not delaying accepting 9W. They are very much keen to have 9W in the alliance. It is the Govt. of India that is not allowing 9W to join Star. This has been discussed a lot here on anet.

I've read how the GoI only allows one airline per alliance. What I haven't heard is any formal movement on *A and 9W other than expressions of interest.

I've participated in those discussions. It is time for *A to 'get the ball rolling' by making a public announcement that they have chosen 9W as their Indian partner. As of now, they seem to want 9W but to also leave the door open to AI. As long as they are trying to leave the door open for AI, they will not formally make a proposal to 9W.

Last I looked, the GoI is legally able to block two airlines joining one alliance.

At some point the GoI needs to let business grow in India. Blocking effective partnering in hubbing won't get them there.

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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2458 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
At some point the GoI needs to let business grow in India. Blocking effective partnering in hubbing won't get them there.

I do wonder if the impasse will ever be over. SkyTeam has gone to India and made offers both to 9W and AI. Both seem bound and determined to join Star though. As you have alluded too, the GoI has concerns over competion (as it should IMHO, especially with the exit of IT) if one alliance has the major two remaining full service carriers in its fold.

However, no side is backing down. 9W and AI are still having stifling loses. And while entering an alliance certainly won't turn either automatically profitable, it would have to help. As many have speculated, maybe this is where we see AI sign with SkyTeam in October, QR sign with oneworld to help with Indian representation, and 9W finally be able to marry Star.

It could turn out to be an interesting fall in regards to Indian Aviation

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Team



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User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 19):
Last I looked, the GoI is legally able to block two airlines joining one alliance.

At some point the GoI needs to let business grow in India. Blocking effective partnering in hubbing won't get them there.

If AI and 9W both are to Join * Alliance, there won't be much of competition in the country as I have a feeling price in both airlines will be the same since they both fall under one alliance. It will be nice to have both AI and 9W join different alliance. Sky team and * Alliance will be my choice.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 17):
Star Alliance is not delaying accepting 9W. They are very much keen to have 9W in the alliance. It is the Govt. of India that is not allowing 9W to join Star. This has been discussed a lot here on anet.

That's not accurate.

GoI has declared that both AI and 9W cannot be in the same alliance (for valid competition reasons - having both FSCs in 1 alliance would have a monopolizing effect).

Both AI and 9W want to join *A. AI currently holds an invitation to join *A, although the application is suspended. Therefore, *A cannot issue 9W an invitation.

*A could get out of this mess by rescinding the invitation to AI, or accepting AI into *A and letting 9W go.

However, neither option is particularly pleasant for *A, and since India is a hole for every other alliance too, they are happy to keep delaying.



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