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Irish 10/12: Sciathain Na HEireann  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18327 times:

Good morning everyone! Welcome to our tenth thread of the year, the title of which means "Wings of Ireland".

There's not an awful lot of news to report, but air traffic seems to be holding slightly, even if economic "growth" is still in negative territory. It was good to see last week's order for eight ATR72-600s at Farnborough; I can't remember the last time an Irish airline announced an order at a major air show.

On the policy front, we still await more information on the minister's proposals for Shannon Airport.

On the route front, United has just announced a seasonal reduction of the DUB-IAD route through the Winter; we will be seeing bmibaby flights gradually scaled back, sadly to disappear in September, as the airline ceases operations. Hopefully, Flybe, among others, will take up some of the slack, although Flybe's definition of a "low cost carrier" is markedly different from most people's!

We also saw what will surely become a regular sight in Irish skies in years to come: the 787, stopping off at SNN, on the way home. Etihad is the only confirmed operator of the type to Ireland so far, but no doubt American, Air Canada and United will bring the aircraft into DUB in years to come.

So, here's to another vibrant thread: over to you, folks!

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User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 18211 times:

In relation to the "proposed " move by EI from BFS to BHD any more news on this?.I cannot see this happening to be honest,why give up the sun routes out of BFS to serve from BHD,(with performance issues),fly to LHR and BA sitting on the tarmac as well!!!!!.

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 18177 times:

Quoting Nibog (Reply 1):
In relation to the "proposed " move by EI from BFS to BHD any more news on this?.I cannot see this happening to be honest,why give up the sun routes out of BFS to serve from BHD,(with performance issues),fly to LHR and BA sitting on the tarmac as well!!!!!.

It was meant to be announced last week, BHD were holding a press conference last Tuesday but that was delayed and is now thought to be going ahead this week. I think Aer Lingus are stuck in limbo, they've let it slip too early that a move was on the cards which enabled BFS management to start talks with Jet2 and EasyJet while over at BHD it looks like BA have no intention of working closer with Aer Lingus which leaves them stuck on their own against BA and FlyBe.

They've left it very late to make their minds up, as each day passes more people in Northern Ireland are booking with EasyJet, Jet2, FlyBe and British Airways. No matter what airport they chose now, EI are in for a very tough winter in Belfast.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18060 times:

( Report on the ATR72 incident last year )

Plane incident due to repair oversight

The incorrect installation of a critical part and inadequate staffing at an airport maintenance facility resulted in the crew of an Irish plane experiencing serious control problems after take-off.

The incident, at Edinburgh Airport, Scotland, occurred on March 15, 2011, when an ATR72-200 turbo-prop plane, owned by Dublin-based Air Contractors Ireland, was taking off after undergoing maintenance.

The plane, with just a crew of two, was repositioning to Paris at the time of what investigators described as a "serious incident".

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...e-to-repair-oversight-3168536.html

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4,000 airport staff to vote on industrial action in pensions row

MORE than 4,000 workers at the country's main airports will vote on whether to take industrial action -- including possible strikes -- in a bid to protect their pensions.

The move comes after their unions accused Aer Lingus and the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) of failing to plug a €700m shortfall in their pension scheme.

Staff at Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports will begin voting on Friday after their unions rejected a plan put forward by their employers to deal with the huge deficit.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...ction-in-pensions-row-3165841.html

Hopefully no more strikes . I wonder when we will hear the result of the votes.


User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 17942 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
On the route front, United has just announced a seasonal reduction of the DUB-IAD route through the Winter

When was this announced Kaitak? Hardly a surprise since UA had reduced the second DUB-EWR frequency last Winter but disappointing nonetheless. What is the frequency now?


On a completely different note, its so long since I bought liquids in DUB when connecting to another flight I'm not sure of the answer so advice gratefully recieved... Can I buy booze in DUB when flying DUB-LHR-SFO and not have it taken off me in LHR due to liquid restrictions, or do I have to wait until LHR to buy it?
Thanks



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7327 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 17912 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 4):
Can I buy booze in DUB when flying DUB-LHR-SFO

Yes you can.. make sure you show your onward boarding pass to get the duty free price.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17905 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 4):
When was this announced Kaitak? Hardly a surprise since UA had reduced the second DUB-EWR frequency last Winter but disappointing nonetheless. What is the frequency now?


This was on an email bulletin relating to airline routes; it's not a major reduction, just a seasonal one; the minimum it goes down to is 4 per week, in early 2013 and then, it will go back up to five, then six.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 17790 times:

Trainee pilots, who were stranded in the US when their course with the Pilot Training College in Waterford collapsed, are to picket the Dáil on Wednesday.

They are also seeking a meeting with Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0714/tra...s-to-picket-dail-on-wednesday.html

What are they wanting from the government ? Are they looking their fees paid ?


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 17746 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 4):
On a completely different note, its so long since I bought liquids in DUB when connecting to another flight I'm not sure of the answer so advice gratefully recieved... Can I buy booze in DUB when flying DUB-LHR-SFO and not have it taken off me in LHR due to liquid restrictions, or do I have to wait until LHR to buy it?

I think what happens is, you buy the booze at DUB, they give it to you in a sealed plastic bag (with the receipt in view) and as long as you don't open it or tamper with the seal, the security at LHR will not give you hassle. That's the way I understand it. I will be buying booze in SNN when I fly SNN-LHR-ORD next week so I'll let you know if I have any trouble!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
What are they wanting from the government? Are they looking their fees paid?

I think they are looking for their money back from PTC or a way of continuing their training without having to pay more than they already have. They maintain that the government issued PTC the training licence so they need to sort this problem. I don't know how much the Dept. of Transport can do about it though. You'd feel bad for the trainee pilots though after paying upwards of €80,000 and not knowing if they'll get it back after this mess...or at least continue their training.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4228 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17626 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 4):
When was this announced Kaitak? Hardly a surprise since UA had reduced the second DUB-EWR frequency last Winter but disappointing nonetheless. What is the frequency now?

This was announced ages ago - a couple of months at least. It also applies to many other UA TATL routes and doesnt just affect the Irish market.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4228 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17503 times:

Folks,

You may have noticed from other threads that UA are to launch SFO-CDG on the 763.

This market is known for quite poor yields, though it seemingly put UA off. The question is - does this make UA more likely to look at further TATL expansion from SFO? CDG is not a star hub - and its already served by a significant AF presence from SFO.

Should EI become concerned that perhaps UA are about to steal yet another long haul route that EI could not seem to make work?

On the EI side, is now the time to consider a real expansion on the Atlantic? With load factors now of well over 92%, connecting traffic to the European network having gone through the roof, and the continued good performance of the EIR franchise feeding UK originating traffic to TATL, is it now time that EI expanded the operation and added to the rather meagre choice of US cities available?

Your thoughts?



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17477 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 10):
On the EI side, is now the time to consider a real expansion on the Atlantic? With load factors now of well over 92%, connecting traffic to the European network having gone through the roof, and the continued good performance of the EIR franchise feeding UK originating traffic to TATL, is it now time that EI expanded the operation and added to the rather meagre choice of US cities available?

It is very hard to know. Yes the load factors on long haul routes finally seem to have recovered somewhat and are approaching a level where they should be at and yes we've had two new transatlantic routes open out of DUB recently, both operated by US airlines, both of which seem to be doing pretty well. However, with the continuing financial crisis across Europe it is hard to know what's going to happen. The improved load factors are perhaps more of an indicator that EI finally have managed to match capacity with demand rather than an increase in demand. Connecting traffic is up but there is a strong chance that this may just be offsetting a drop in O&D from Ireland. Not to mention that the management at EI seem to be distracted at the moment with silly projects such as entering the LHR domestic market and moving from BFS to BHD. I reckon there certainly would be demand for perhaps one or two more routes across the Atlantic (possibly LAX or SFO and a Canadian destination) but I cannot see it happening.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4228 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17419 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 11):
Yes the load factors on long haul routes finally seem to have recovered somewhat and are approaching a level where they should be

Load factors have done more than recovered - at 93% for June, the airline is now at the point where its effectively turning away passengers. Beyond a certain fare, most people simply opt not to travel.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 11):
Connecting traffic is up but there is a strong chance that this may just be offsetting a drop in O&D from Ireland

Maybe so, but it doesnt really matter where the passengers are coming from. The point is EI are getting them, and doing so just like any other network carrier. To sustain the momentum, it cant simply fly to 4 cities in the States - it will have to grow the offer at some point.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 11):
ot to mention that the management at EI seem to be distracted at the moment with silly projects such as entering the LHR domestic market and moving from BFS to BHD.

I'm a bit more optimistic about Domestic from LHR - I think it's a strategic move whereby some element of loss making may be tolerated to achieve one of two objectives:

1) Position EI as a solid partner for an alliance in the wider Ireland/UK market by offering a coveted domestic presence at LHR

2) Operate the services for the requisite time period before finally saying "we cant make money" and using them for LHR-Ireland expansion

So, it may not be as daft a move as people think! Heathrow isn't Gatwick (just like Ireland isn't Greece etc etc etc), and EI have strong brand awareness at Heathrow. They already have dipped their toes in UK domestic by flying to Belfast - having previously been associated solely with the Republic.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 11):
I reckon there certainly would be demand for perhaps one or two more routes across the Atlantic (possibly LAX or SFO and a Canadian destination) but I cannot see it happening.

It is East coast that apparently was mentioned lately by EI management. So one can speculate about possible cities - MIA is the blindingly obvious for me, and it's a route MIA airport itself are actively seeking and can prove demand for. Forget DC, PHL etc. EI will not be able to compete with the home town carrier at either of these.

YYZ is very strongly rumoured - and i even heard murmurs of A319 operation, similar to AC's St John's - Heathrow service.......make of that what you will!



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17391 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 12):
YYZ is very strongly rumoured - and i even heard murmurs of A319 operation, similar to AC's St John's - Heathrow service.......make of that what you will!

There were plenty of rumours a while back about of EI looking to add long haul narrowbody capacity so who knows! Indicentially, with the recent reports of increase transit traffic connecting to US bound flights, does anyone know if this is only happening at DUB or are load factors ex SNN benefitting from this also? I know that EI do offer bookings routing through both DUB and SNN so presumably some price savy passengers would go for the SNN option.



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User currently onlinerichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17382 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 12):
It is East coast that apparently was mentioned lately by EI management. So one can speculate about possible cities - MIA is the blindingly obvious for me, and it's a route MIA airport itself are actively seeking and can prove demand for. Forget DC, PHL etc. EI will not be able to compete with the home town carrier at either of these.

YYZ is very strongly rumoured - and i even heard murmurs of A319 operation, similar to AC's St John's - Heathrow service.......make of that what you will!

Hi

Just wonder is MIA really is a good choice for EI. MCO works ( or at least seams to) I guess thats partly to do with families visiting the parks and some second home owners. I could be totally wrong, but I sort of think of MIA as being more like a New York market. You have a mix of tourists, business travellers and also a bit of VFR. KLM seam to have had issues making MIA work, just wonder if its really a good choice for EI.

With regards to YYZ they would be going up against AC and also the TS charter. It would of been a good choice for EI, but maybe that ship has sailed.


Just my thoughts.

Alex


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17261 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 13):
Indicentially, with the recent reports of increase transit traffic connecting to US bound flights, does anyone know if this is only happening at DUB or are load factors ex SNN benefitting from this also?

There's a small amount of feed from the UK but the vast majority is, of course, O&D. Services will be suspended for a shorter period in 2013 than in previous years.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17217 times:
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Quoting EI320 (Reply 15):
There's a small amount of feed from the UK but the vast majority is, of course, O&D. Services will be suspended for a shorter period in 2013 than in previous years.

It is good to hear that there is some trickle going through SNN from the UK and that the winter suspension will be shorter this year than other years. I wonder though if there is much in the way of business feed onto long haul through SNN? It would seem like a good choice for a price savy business traveller. With very little O&D demand for business class from SNN, one can imagine that business traveller originating in a regional city in the UK could bag themself a tidy little bargin routing via SNN because you wouldn't be competing with O&D passengers for the cheaper fares. Add in the convenience of preclearance and connecting through a small quiet airport, back it up with a bit or marketing and you have the makings of a nice little niche market there that could just make the difference in terms of profitable long haul services from SNN. Just my   



Next Flights: CX178 MEL-HKG; CX257 HKG-LHR; EI387 LHR-SNN; EI384 SNN-LHR; CX250 LHR-HKG; CX135 HKG-MEL
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17161 times:

I see EI are to reduce the twice-daily DUB-JFK service to 11 weekly between January and March also.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 13):
does anyone know if this is only happening at DUB or are load factors ex SNN benefitting from this also?

SNN is definitely getting connecting traffic. After my recent BOS-SNN flight I saw about 25/30 passengers in the Flight Connections queue connecting to the early LHR, MAN and BHX flights. This may be a small number but its undoubtedly more than what EI were getting out of SNN a few years back. A step in the right direction anyway.

From looking at the Aer Lingus website, prices for connections through DUB vs. through SNN are about the same but in some cases (like LHR-JFK, LHR-BOS, MAN-BOS), SNN offers more convenient connection times and hence, an overall shorter journey than the alternative via DUB.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17137 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 17):
I see EI are to reduce the twice-daily DUB-JFK service to 11 weekly between January and March also.

I guess it makes sense. They are responding to demand. Winter will be interesting this year. With a weak Euro against the $$ and whatever the budget will bring that shopping trip to NYC or extra city break will be a luxury for alot who previously took it .

Quoting richcandy (Reply 14):
Just wonder is MIA really is a good choice for EI.

No too close to MCO and the majority would still go to MCO . In the current climate there is no market for it . They may pick up a few cruise passengers but not much else. The majority of cruise passengers from Ireland which is still a decent amount fly BA/VS/KL etc... the cruise companies have big nett deals with them . Would be very hard for EI to tap into that .

Will be interesting to see the outcome of trying to ''ring fence'' slots .

Coalition plans will safeguard crucial Belfast-Heathrow link

The Westminster Government has boosted hopes of retaining Belfast’s crucial air links with London Heathrow.

The coalition’s new aviation blueprint, unveiled yesterday, outlines the UK’s determination to push for vital landing slots to be reserved for regional links.

Fears have been raised about the future of the connections between Belfast and Heathrow, the world’s busiest international airport, since the takeover of bmi by British Airways this year.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...belfastheathrow-link-16185367.html


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1919 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16808 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 10):
Should EI become concerned that perhaps UA are about to steal yet another long haul route that EI could not seem to make work?

I would be of the opinion that EI need to move earlier than may be financially sound purely to ensure they get into the market before UA. The new mgmt team do not seem as positive towards the codeshare agreement as the pre merger situation.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 11):
Not to mention that the management at EI seem to be distracted at the moment with silly projects such as entering the LHR domestic market and moving from BFS to BHD.

While I see your point I would hope that a properly functioning exec team would be able to deal with several projects at once (LHR slots, EIR franchise future, FR bid, BFS/BHD decision, T/A expansion, codeshare options, fleet expansion? etc etc)
In theory EI are one of the most profitable airlines in Europe at present, based on recent financial results. Their mgmt/exec team should be up to standard.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16682 times:

Today's EI125 (DUB-ORD) diverted to SNN and was on the ground from about 14:00 to 15:40. Anyone know why?


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4228 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16674 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 19):
I would be of the opinion that EI need to move earlier than may be financially sound purely to ensure they get into the market before UA. The new mgmt team do not seem as positive towards the codeshare agreement as the pre merger situation.

Precisely - we are in the middle of a major economic crisis yet long haul is showing strong growth, with two carriers on the Atlantic taking a gamble on new US gateway cities with CLT and IAD (US also now have twice daily PHL service at weekends).

While prudence is a virtue, it has to be tempered with a degree of risk taking or EI will get frozen out.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16566 times:

Aeroflot now appears to be negotiating for a new DUB service from Summer 2013; it had been rumoured to be starting this year, but of course this didn't happen.

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4228 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16560 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 22):
Aeroflot now appears to be negotiating for a new DUB service from Summer 2013; it had been rumoured to be starting this year, but of course this didn't happen.

Good to hear - S7's service has now degenerated into a way to earn some incremental revenue on a saturday night with an aircraft that otherwise would sit idle.

One would expect SU can breathe new life into the route.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16532 times:
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I just saw a bus driving around Melbourne for EY advertising DUB of all places. It had a picture of three suitcases lined up in the colours of the Irish flag. Good to see someone is marketing Ireland over here although I'm sure that is more aimed at the expat community here.


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25 shamrock604 : EY used to have the fastest connection to DUB from MEL - now, it's EK by a considerable margin (1hr 25 minutes less - or 3 places on a GDS display!)
26 tonystan : Used to be an EY billboard just outside SYD airport with a picture of Malahide Castle on it! Always gave me a laugh to see my home town when I passed
27 Cabincrewifly : Medical emergency
28 OA260 : Would be good news to see them back . Shame they didnt make it this year. SU offer some good connections and fares so would be good for DUB . Also wo
29 tonymctigue : It is funny you should mention it because on my first trip home I plan to do a round the world routing because I want to visit relatives. Something a
30 OA260 : Indeed but you know yourself I guess other routes could have been full or a sale fare was on . Just shows you need to shop around everytime. In other
31 richcandy : Not sure. If the UK gets pre clearance then the chances are the London airports will get the facility. I would of thought (and it is only a guess) th
32 EagleBoy : I am of the opinion that EI should be offering this already. Offer flexibility to the pax travelling thru DUB to stay for 1-2 nights at a miminal cos
33 Post contains links EagleBoy : On another note FR have submitted their official offer of E1.30 cash per share to EI shareholders. http://www.ryanair.com/doc/news/2012/377956ACL.pdf
34 Post contains links EI787 : Seems like more and more are learning of how to become a 'free' Gold Circle Member: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056703812 At this
35 Sam the Lab : Wow, this is one fascinating thread on Dublin aviation and as usual there is not one mention on the busy summer Cork Airport has enjoyed since June. F
36 Post contains images OA260 : And even more now after your post
37 Jambost : My opinion, DUB is the main [not only] gateway to Ireland, which most aviation enthusiasts would keep an eye on for seeing new exotic airlines servin
38 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : A lot of people seem to have signed up and switched, looking at that thread! I hope they don't crowd up and ruin the lounge experience for us new Gol
39 EagleBoy : Well those airbridges are all full 2-3 times a day, so obviously someone uses them. And EI are currently the largest operater at DUB, whereas I would
40 EIDL : If BMI card numbers are sequential I can see EI copping on to this VERY quickly. Its not an automated process.
41 Post contains images OA260 : Well maybe people from ORK should post news on a regular basis rather than wait for others to . I cover BHD BFS DUB and would welcome more news about
42 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : At DUB? Ah that doesn't bother me, I'll mainly be using the SNN (Rineanna Suite) and possibly LHR and ORD (VIP Lounge) ones for the very few EI fligh
43 EIBusiness : That will not happen. I suspect that many cards may be rescinded in the coming weeks given that EI Execs are now aware of the problem. EIBusiness
44 tonystan : Oh sweet jesus a cork man with a chip on his shoulder? Whod have thought? Actually, I like Cork people so Ill stop it with the cheek cos its not fair
45 Post contains images phen : Agreed; indeed you can't blame DUB for attracting more traffic - Ireland is a small country with a population the size of what would be a large city
46 AmricanShamrok : How will they get them back I wonder. Or will they just instruct groundstaff not to honour the cards issued to these particular passengers?
47 EIDL : The cards aren't issued automatically - it needs manual approval. I imagine cards won't be issued in the first place.
48 AmricanShamrok : But what happens to those who have already received their card?
49 OA260 : Those who have their cards there is not much that can be done. Also no one has broken any rules as it clearly states BD Blue/Silver /Gold so if someo
50 shamrock604 : Wow! A Corkonian blaming everybody else for the fact that not many people from Cork on the thread post about their local airport! All us Dubs (cos app
51 EIBusiness : That will be interesting won't it. The A/c itself can easily be cancelled I'm sure. It amazes me: the amount of criticism that EI often receives - ye
52 ClassicLover : I would disagree with you there to be honest. I would assume some kind of cost benefit analysis was done on this - and with mass communication, it wa
53 AmricanShamrok : I criticise EI from time to time but I happily avail of their service on a fairly frequent basis (look back over my trip reports) and it is still my
54 EIBusiness : I was referring to those who criticise and actively avoid EI - but have been more than happy to avail of GC membership. EIBusiness
55 OA260 : Well that's what makes it seem a contradiction . Blue is openly matched yet talks of rejecting applications is contradicting the offer. Indeed its di
56 shamrock350 : Aer Lingus is largest at Cork, even without Aer Lingus Regional it's still larger than Ryanair.
57 SURFER : Had a few interesting visitors into SNN today,2 US navy F-18s and an Omega DC-10 tanker all on their way back from the Farnborough Airshow.The F-18s t
58 tonymctigue : Oh wow! Will I wade into this argument or won't I? You can't blame DUB folk for talking about their own airport more than the others for the same rea
59 styles9002 : No worries here, Aer Lingus can just line-item this issue with another one of their (perpetual) 'non-recurring cost' expenses. All costs will be buri
60 tonystan : Firstly, that was almost 20 years ago (I know cos my dad was a skipper on the 330s at the time) and there were 2 reasons why this little "venture" ca
61 richcandy : Out of this lot BFS is the only one that still operating. How are EI doing at BFS. I know at the start they seam to have a totally different set of d
62 tonystan : LGW is still operating and IAD still has its crew base for the United contract to MAD!
63 richcandy : Sorry Tony, I was thinking of the services to mainland europe out of LGW and totally forgot the IAD-MAD service when I said that only BFS is still op
64 kaitak : VQ-BEU, the former Aer Lingus A330, EI-DUB, will be going to Shaheen Air of Pakistan; should look very smart in their livery. Airbus A330 -302 55 AP-
65 Jambost : To sum up they failed on establishing key european routes such as AMS, OPT?, CDG, FCO. BCN survived by reducing to summer seasonal. Plus other Spanis
66 Post contains images bestwestern : Guys, we have gone through a major recession - if not depression - in Ireland. Give EI a break for gods sake. Go back ten years and see how much EI ha
67 Sam the Lab : Must be Dublin as it is in the plural. Cork has only one airbridge thanks to the Dublin Airport crowd. All this non stop boasting about Dublin Airport
68 EIBusiness : You, sir - epitomise the narrow minded approach that has landed Ireland into so many of the difficulties that we see today. What you must realise is
69 Cabincrewifly : Actually, the board in Cork decided against more then 1 air bridge for a number of reasons including the airports main airline Aer Lingus told them t
70 tonystan : Are you seriously on here being all bitter just because ORK only has 1 airbridge and Dublin a few dozen??? Are you serious? Because lets hark back a
71 bestwestern : Sorry, I didnt mean to bring up the whole Cork thing with my comment. Sam obviously believes we are all from Dublin. Sam, head back to Pprune, why don
72 eicvd : Whenever that does happen it will be long before EK,EY or QR touchdown in ORK anyway.......
73 kaitak : Very interesting observations, Bestwestern; interesting also is that the screw-ups seem to have come from the previous management, although as you sa
74 shamrock350 : Announcement at BHD rumoured for tomorrow, been hearing the same thing for weeks now but EI realistically can't wait much longer!
75 Nibog : Does the fact that this "meeting" is at BHD in itself give a possible hint as to EI's plans!!!!. I for one think they are crazy,but i await the annou
76 AmricanShamrok : Why does EI choose to use airbridges at some airports but not at others? Surely the airbridge charges are uniform at DUB, ORK and SNN? I know at SNN
77 ClassicLover : I really don't think the elite flyers are going to have much of a problem really... anyone with a business can get a Bank of Ireland Gold Visa card w
78 tonystan : UM....You sure you are talking about LHR there????? EI use gates 77-86...they are all Airbridge served!
79 BrianDromey : At ORK the airbridge it has been mentioned that the airbridge is used when the aircraft has a 50+ minute turn. BRU is a common one and any of the nig
80 AmricanShamrok : No no, I'm talking about SNN. Sorry I didn't make myself clearer. Airlines actually seem to have assigned gates at SNN. RE uses Gates 1 and 3; FR use
81 Cabincrewifly : Depends, the EI from LGW has used in on much shorter turn arounds
82 shamrock604 : Folks, Perhaps somebody can clarify this for me. Airport charges at Cork (and Shannon) are lower than at Dublin. Level playing field indeed.[Edited 20
83 Post contains images Jambost : Woops that slipped through the net, i'l stick Bucharest under leisure / city break
84 CelticMech : The DAA have control over it (in a section called The POD). They are responsible in the co-ordination of stand allocation on a daily basis. The airli
85 Post contains links OA260 : Knock on effect for passengers on EI due to the earlier bomb attack at BOJ : Wednesday 18 July 2012 21.00hrs Customer Announcement: Changes to schedul
86 shamrock604 : The Airport Operations Centre is responsible for stand allocation. In Dublin, it's "the pod" which is the tower like building on top of Terminal One.
87 AmricanShamrok : Many thanks CelticMech and 604. I find this fascinating. Is there a similar system at SNN and ORK or is each flight at the controller's discretion du
88 shamrock604 : You'd have a similar system at Shannon and Cork. Airport Ops make that decision too. You'll have an ops controller there who decides what stands to a
89 Post contains images tonymctigue : My, has this thread come to life over the past few days and for once it is not us SNN folk who started the argument As far as I know, all the gates at
90 Post contains links shamrock350 : Belfast City (BHD) is available on the Aer Lingus website. It's hidden away in a dark corner of the website probably awaiting the official announcemen
91 Post contains links OA260 : Great news I have to say personally Im looking forward to them being at BHD as its alot easier for me to get to than BFS and will make use of the LHR
92 Richcandy : So its going to be EI up against BE on the BHD-LGW route and EI against BA on the BHD-LHR route. I am keen to try EI next time I go to Belfast but bit
93 OA260 : Could be same as the existing codeshares out of BFS and DUB . If so I can see BE finding it tough as they have enjoyed a monopoly and often charged h
94 SURFER : [quote=tonymctigue,reply=89]Yes the private jet traffic at SNN really seems to have grown alot over the past while. It is certainly one of those niche
95 Post contains images Dublinspotter : HI When I read the articles about EI moving bases I was surprised that there was only a small amount or routes. Could they possibly announce more in t
96 OA260 : Shame about BCN but then again anytime I flew it unless it was a holiday weekend or football match there were plenty of seats . Whats more interestin
97 tonystan : Could the BHD flights be timed to allow the operation of Domestic UK services from LHR if EI gain the slots?
98 Jambost : I hope EI do not regret this move they need to show confidence that they can make the routes work. I hope to see Belfast City plastered with EI brandi
99 bestwestern : That would cannabalise the aeronautical revenue at the airport, and seriously piss off easyJet. Zero sum game.
100 kaitak : What does the realignment of Belfast services mean for EI's A319 fleet; will they stay up in Belfast, or might they come back to DUB for the Winter. H
101 AmricanShamrok : I can't see the BHD venture lasting either. 3 daily flights to LHR against BA's 7? That's all of EI's feeder traffic for BA connections gone. Presumab
102 shamrock350 : I think the BA and EI relationship could be at a crossroads very soon, the two airlines now compete with each other on two major routes. BA has confir
103 Post contains links and images kaitak : Yes; indeed, I'm surprised that EI has not committed to more 319s. Nice shot of 'DUO at BOS, just recently added (saw it on Facebook!): View Large Vi
104 BrianDromey : To me BHD seems like an interesting choice. They obviously got a great deal. Interestingly there are rumours that the current announcement is only pa
105 tonymctigue : Interesting times ahead. I'm sure this will create a serious headache for aviation policy makers in Northern Ireland becuase BFS access issues aside w
106 Richcandy : Many people who live in Belfast seam to think that BFS is maybe somewhere near Cork, when really the two airports are not that far apart. Yes I am su
107 acelanzarote : Why are EI so keen to walk away from the Canary routes? I presume they hardly lost money, and certainly not to ACE or TFS.....just seems a cash cow th
108 Post contains images OA260 : LOL... its too true . Dont know why but from the City it seems so far out . If your coming from the Ards Peninsula/South Down you feel like DUB is cl
109 Post contains links bestwestern : Between January and March 2012 EI were the most punctual airline at Heathrow... http://www.flightontime.info/scheduled/airports/lhr12.html Between Jan
110 Post contains images Richcandy : (what month?) I moved to London from Belfast in Aug '96 Its changed so much since I lived there. Totally forgot about gill air. They used to have che
111 Post contains images OA260 : Was the March and my first Paddys Day in Dublin , stopped off at DUB also which was an experience . The roads were desperate between NI and ROI and c
112 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Arann passengers could face disruption from next weekend due to pilot strike http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0720/pil...n-aer-arann-flight-disruption.
113 Post contains links and images OA260 : Great thats all we need. They should do what should be done with the other strikers across the pond in border immigration. Sack them !! Plenty of peo
114 rufusisgod : OA260 - Ive always enjoyed your great trip reports and comments on all aviation subjects but saying "sack them" when you have no insight to the proble
115 OA260 : Not going to get into an argument about this one to be honest but when a group of people decide to go on strike during a major event that people have
116 shamrock604 : I agree with this. But also agree with this: These guys really ought to have waited for after the Olympics.
117 Ire2008 : People shouldnt have to suffer in employment either tho. Theres no excuse for bad employment. I dont know whats involved in Aer Arann but i assume its
118 kaitak : I have to say I'm with OA260 on this; I'm not aware of what the issues are, but I have a personal interest in that I'm flying from DUB to SEN next Su
119 bestwestern : The press will hound IALPA about this - they will be accussed of holding the tourism industry to randsom, etc.... There will be a picture of a family
120 shamrock604 : Hmm... not sure about that. My take home is not a million miles off that, and I am on very, very siginificantly less than 80k gross! This "Aer lingus
121 bestwestern : Excuse my lazy maths... €3,500 per month x 12 months = €42k take home. Add back in lets say 40% tax / prsi / anglo bankruptcy tax charge, pension
122 EI320 : We shouldn't be too quick to lay the blame on a particular side without knowing the full facts of the story. The timing is less than ideal though and
123 bestwestern : I'm not laying any blame - I just think the timing and PR aspect is all wrong. IALPA are very amature in getting their side of the story out, and this
124 EI320 : Do I detect a slight anti-IALPA sentiment here? The figure quoted (if true) is earned by a small number of RE pilots. How many 4 year Captains are on
125 ClassicLover : With no additional tax credits and as a single person it is actually €65,000. I stuck numbers into a 2012 Irish tax calculator until I got €42,00
126 bestwestern : Not at all - unions are a very necessary balance in any company - but unions have a responsibility too. They also have a responsibility to the staff
127 irishtexan : "unions are a very necessary balance in any company" from the previous post As someone who once worked in aviation as an FWUI/SIPTU shop steward back
128 Post contains links dstc47 : http://www.independent.ie/national-n...s-extra-pep-in-jet-set-3175418.htm Irelands west coast aviation community is to gain a Buccaneer. With the one
129 tonystan : Agreed....bad timing but desperate measures to get an unwilling management to finally pull their thumb out!
130 tonystan : Be cheesed off, but be cheesed off with the management! Its the pilots who have brought the action about only because of a lack of movement on the ma
131 Post contains links ClassicLover : One of the other threads on the BMI integration mentions that the only route that has not yet changed to proper BA flight numbers for the Winter sched
132 OA260 : I dont think this is correct as I have Club Europe bookings on BA confirmed and ticketed on BA stock with seats assigned and showing BA flight number
133 ClassicLover : I should clarify - for example, the Belfast flights now have proper BA flight numbers - eg, BA1414, 1416, 1430 etc. Aberdeen, BA1304, 1306, 1308 etc.
134 EIDL : There is a chance that they're not listing Dublin as they've always offered Dublin on the codeshare?
135 OA260 : Wouldnt read too much into that to be honest. The old DUB-LGW flights were 80XX so they are maybe just using those and will continue to use them. I d
136 Post contains images ClassicLover : I wasn't aware that there had been some marketing push behind it - that definitely changes the situation! My mind can rest easier now! It'll be inter
137 Post contains links and images OA260 : Yep there was a big bash in Dublin for the Irish travel trade pushing the new route and highlighting the new nett fares. A mate of mine won free J cl
138 Post contains images ClassicLover : Can't say I don't envy him That's great news - it looks like the hand was forced and a swift resolution happened. As it should!
139 OA260 : Anyone at the Bray Airshow today ? If anyone has any links to pics would be interesting to see. Aer Lingus were taking part apparantly what did their
140 rufusisgod : I seen an Aer Lingus Regional ATR72-500 at the show.
141 AmricanShamrok : KIR is now offering complimentary tea/coffee to all passengers on the first flight of the day, RE3201 (KIR-DUB).
142 Post contains images OA260 : I guess the Bray Airshow is one of those RE perks lol...
143 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus retrojet EI-DVM opened the Bray Air Show and an Aer Lingus Regional made a very low fly-by. ATR photo from twitter; http://instagram.com/p/
144 shamrock604 : A very civilized gesture of them! The only place I know of in Europe that does that is FRA and MUC where LH has hot drinks at the gate. It's the smal
145 OA260 : Nice pic . Would have been good to see . Each year I say I want to go but never can make it. Indeed MUC and FRA are decent Airports I love them both.
146 shamrock604 : Hate hate hate Frankfurt!!! But Love love love Munich!
147 AmricanShamrok : 'Tis! They give nice little updates like this on their official Facebook page (frequent spelling/grammar mistakes aside!). It seems they are constant
148 AmricanShamrok : Quick question - if I have a flight booked with BA with the first segment (SNN-LHR) operated by EI, can the EI agents at SNN give me my onward boardin
149 OA260 : Shouldnt be an issue as they do it all the time . If you have checked in online and got seats then they wont release them unless you dont turn up. Un
150 AmricanShamrok : Great, thanks OA.
151 EIRules : Heard a rumour knocking around that UA will announce SFO-DUB for next Summer. Assume it would be operated by 763? If so will be another blow to EI's l
152 EagleBoy : I have said it before.....EI need to get back into the West Coast market purely to prevent another airline doing the same. They are quite lucky that
153 tonymctigue : The only thing that surprises me about that is they haven't done it already. The business community in Ireland and the US multinational companies hav
154 EagleBoy : I would to have some info on whether or not these companies have actually made seat acquisition promises to EI in relation to re-starting this route.
155 BrianDromey : Is IAD-MAD still rumoured to end in March? If so that might be where the aircraft would come from? As of now I don't believe EI have any A330s on ord
156 shamrock604 : I'd imagine ORD is on UA's radar too. Rumours of this have been circulating now for some time.
157 EIRules : I wouldnt be at all surprised, particularly considering AA's vunerability at the moment. Does anyone actually know how UA are getting on with IAD-DUB
158 Post contains images tonymctigue : Please, please, please, if anyone from UA with the power to make route decisions, can you please include SNN-ORD too! Even a seasonal 4x weekly B757
159 dstc47 : Are not UA short of long haul aircraft? If so, further Irish routes may be in the long term future. My experience with them recently in the US was of
160 EIRules : Yeah I cant see IAH-DUB somehow. IAH seems to be getting reduced since Southwest (I think) opened up new routes from there and UA seem pissed at the
161 dstc47 : The eu has found, unsurprisingly, that the discrimination in the rate of air travel tax for very short domestic services is wrong and ordered the gove
162 BrianDromey : Its not IAH WN have opened up routes from, its HOU. Since the opening of IAH, destinations out of HOU have been limited to the neighbouring states of
163 harpandshamrock : Ryanairs new East Midlands - Cork service, which was due to start in September, seems to have dissappeared from their website. I've done some googling
164 EIDL : Does anyone know if SAS keep equipment fairly consistant to CPH from DUB? There's a specified plane on every flight on the site but seeing as I'm cons
165 Post contains images OA260 : Yes its random and changes can happen at short notice. Happened a few times to me but in my favor as it was from Airbus to MD
166 Cabincrewifly : AGP didn't load either.....talk was that the Cork base might close.....only one AC as it is during winter....could see it going to seasonal summer ba
167 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : BA-liveried A319 at Dublin this evening. This is becoming an increasingly common sight as all but four of the (former) BMI A319s have received BA live
168 Post contains links dstc47 : Celtic Helicopters . Indo says creditors meeting is scheduled for 7 August, may be the end of the story. http://www.independent.ie/national-n...firm-c
169 Post contains images OA260 : Nice to see the BA colours but will be sad to see no more BMI colours. The second photo is lovely BTW
170 dstc47 : The nationwide programme shown byRTE tthis morning has a feature on the aerial survey along the border region by Twin Otter working out of St Angelo.
171 harpandshamrock : Hadn't noticed about AGP, although that route is at least still running this summer (I flew out there last week, but ended up getting the ferry to th
172 bx737 : What I don't understand is why the airlines are liable. If they collected the taxes that were in place at the time and passed them on to the governme
173 Cabincrewifly : Not sure what's going to happen, it could go either way at this stage, and FUE gone as well. Although, there was an extra ACE in its place.
174 dstc47 : Because the reduced rate of tax is regarded as inappropriate state aid, the EU will require recovery from the entities who gained, seen as the airline
175 EIDL : RE are likely to have benefited most from the reduced rate due to GWY/SXL and short regional UK routes that were under the limit I'd imagine. Could be
176 bx737 : Thanks for the explanation dstc47, it explains why. I still don't think it is right.
177 TravelGuy : I've been thinking about this rumor for awhile. One thing that has really stood out to me on this topic is something discussed at length earlier - fr
178 EI564 : I believe each State can apply whatever taxes it wants but (and its a big but) it can't treat EU states differently when it comes to applying the tax
179 Post contains links IRISH251 : The Twin Otter involved departed for Canada this week, having been in Ireland since September 2011. Yesterday (26th) it routed UAK-YYR on its way hom
180 Post contains links kaitak : Nice video in Irish Times of old terminal being built, back in late '30s: http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/thei...dublin-airport-under-construction/ I'
181 EIBusiness : Hi all, On Tuesday last when taxiing out on an EI T/A flight around 1PM at DUB I noticed an AA 767 taxiing in, surrounded by fire trucks, an ambulance
182 Post contains images tonymctigue : It would make me a very happy man to see ORD back on the SNN route map. A 3/4x weekly with a B752 during the summer would be just fantastic. UA are d
183 Post contains images OA260 : Aer Lingus had a few issues at DUB yesterday . The JFK flight at 17:10 was delayed over two hours. IIRC MAD was over 4 hours and the EI 188 to LHR wen
184 EIDAA : N386AA diverted into DUB as the AAL173 (LHR to RDU), presumably with a medical emergency.
185 eicvd : Not quite as exciting as that Kaitak, its just a Mistral Air flight. The DAA website is useless when it comes to unusual flights.
186 eicvd : Thought it would be delayed a good bit, saw the 0740 AGP flight depart after 1100, I think it arrived back in to DUB near 1800.
187 Post contains links and images OA260 : Arr ok IIRC it was Ei-EAV . Got a nice shot of EY , was a lovely evening for watching the movements at DUB yesterday . Another Ex BMI : And the IB Ex
188 EI320 : EAV went tech on arrival from BOS which delayed both the 07:40 to AGP and the 109 to JFK that evening.
189 AmricanShamrok : They could probably even make a daily flight work between May and September! The only thing is, they would have to base a few ETOPS 757s at ORD which
190 Cabincrewifly : These are in Cork Airport too
191 EI320 : AA had both of these "ingredients" but still couldn't make it work. I wouldn't hold your breath on the route returning TBH. SNN needs to be realistic
192 Post contains images ClassicLover : I received my first Gold Circle e-mail statement today - I feel really Irish now as a result It appears the Gold Circle points have a value - 100 poin
193 kaitak : Yes, I've noticed that in the past; I knew it sounded a bit unusual. I saw the Mistral aircraft as well - nice livery. Aircraft was EI-DUS; had hoped
194 TravelGuy : I appreciate the tax harmonization that such an understanding seeks to promote, but it is still unfair and an overreach in my opinion. In general, th
195 tonymctigue : We'll have to agree and disagree on this one I'm afraid. I would still rate UA to be much, much more qualified than AA to operate a B752 SNN-ORD serv
196 bestwestern : There is room for a 752 on SNN ORD for summers, boosted by the excellent connection strength of UA in ORD in comparison to the basically point to poin
197 Post contains links kaitak : http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/e...interest-in-aer-lingus-560992.html EY chief James Hogan has reiterated the airline's interest in EI and has sai
198 Shamrock105 : It seams BA proper flight numbers have been added to the DUB Flight timetable now, rather than the temporary ones. I just checked the dublinairport.co
199 Post contains images OA260 : A list of flights from the 1985 timetable :
200 kaitak : Amazing ... though it's the Dubai flights I'm looking at in particular; EK was only just getting off the ground then ("an airline based in Dubai? It'l
201 Post contains links tonystan : Also this article..... http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...ihad-predicts-irish-expansion-0727 This seems like the most solid evidence so far that
202 by738 : Has NOC-LBA been axed ? A few UK-NOC routes looking shaky with not great loads
203 Post contains images OA260 : Indeed I remember the A310 LGW service Those GF Tri Stars were classic and for the time lovely FCY products. You could fly LHR-CDG / FRA in those day
204 EIDL : Have booked a flight currently scheduled for an MD anyway - will definitely prefer it to be operated by one as I can't see there being many MDs left
205 bestwestern : In one weekend I managed to fly the EI 747, 707 and a BA Trident, all between Dublin London in the late 70's. All the aircraft were subbed in because
206 ClassicLover : I'd say it will be a serious expansion from a codeshare perspective... That's what happened with the EY/AB relationship so I assume it's something ve
207 IRISH251 : Certainly some very similar numbers there; someone has a sense of history, I think. Indeed BA829 as the last departure of the evening to LHR harks ba
208 EagleBoy : The AB/EY partnership definitely seems to set an example for how a non-EU airline can leverage itself into the EU market. And the initial announcemen
209 Post contains images OA260 : From the October 1995 timetable . BA had left DUB but still had LGW with ATR . Also some very interesting Domestic routes from NI . LDY-GLA/MAN BHD-AB
210 EIRules : Maybe its just me, but I'm not entirely sure what EY are going to get out of this agreement with EI. From a product perspective (despite huge improvem
211 AmricanShamrok : They're in the process of building a preclearance station at the new EY terminal at AUH at the moment so they're probably not after the DUB precleara
212 shamrock604 : I suspect it's entirely defensive against EK - in order to get the traffic now using EI to LHR and onward with Oneworld to Australia, onto its own ne
213 M6480 : It makes great business sense for Etihad. It can only be for tapping the US Westcoast like SFO/ LAX, and maybe in the long run, DEN, SEA, DFW etc Main
214 shamrock604 : While I see the point there, EY do seem to be building a non stop US network, as of course are EK. I would perceive that EY would need to be maintain
215 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : Global Entry kiosks have been added to the CBP preclearance area at SNN over the last two weeks. Very handy for US frequent flyers. http://www.globale
216 shamrock604 : Perhaps EI have some fight left in them, and are not just going to roll over as the US carriers decimate their bread and butter US routes? About time
217 tonystan : So whats giving to allow this???? Is the IAD-MAD aircraft coming back to DUB?
218 EIRules : Seems so. The IAD-MAD flight isnt bookable past 27 Oct this year and isnt loaded into the timetable either
219 AmricanShamrok : It's still bookable well into next summer on United.com though and it says "operated by Aer Lingus" and A330-200. That could change though. Obviously
220 OA260 : Yep still loaded in the CRS with UA flight too. Thats not to say they wont suddenly show xxxxx in all classes and cancel it but just because EI dont
221 shamrock604 : Keeping up the good news - TK increasing DUB to 10 weekly flights - departures at 1215 and 1600 from DUB on the days of two flight operations.
222 OA260 : The 10:10 departure from DUB on certain days getting into IST at 16:25 is a nice time . Leaves IST at 06:30.
223 tonymctigue : I am glad to hear that EI are coming back to SNN yet again for next summer. After decades of trying, they seem to have finally found the correct form
224 Post contains links shamrock350 : Etihad and Aer Lingus make it official. Aer Lingus to share flights with Ethiad Airways in new commercial agreement http://www.independent.ie/business
225 EagleBoy : Well that is a positive step for EI. It shows that the 'loss making regional carrier' is no going to allow itself to be left behind as predicted by an
226 EIRules : MCO is only 2x weekly for next Summer, not that that makes enough difference to launch another route. Sounds like another year of "wait and see" for
227 Post contains links OA260 : Certainly looks promising . Id like to see them have a partner agreement with Gold Circle so you can earn and burn with EY . That would really be an
228 Cabincrewifly : Delighted for EI, their DUB hub is going from strength to strength with connections
229 kaitak : This is what I'm wondering. I also don't think that EI can operate to AUH, from a scheduling viewpoint, because if you're trying to get schedules to
230 ClassicLover : I imagine so - because you also have Air Berlin running a big Airbus fleet. It would be nice if they would throw some of their A350 orders to Aer Lin
231 shamrock604 : Interestingly enough, or rather disappointingly, there is no mention of the EI/EY deal on either airline's website. Hardly what you'd be expecting giv
232 Post contains links shamrock350 : Etihad's media centre has a full press release. - The Etihad Airways “EY” code will be placed on the following Aer Lingus flights: Between Dublin
233 Post contains images shamrock604 : Oops! Musta missed that! Interesting choice of codeshare points there - clearly the intent is to draw traffic from UK regional points onto EY's DUB s
234 EIDL : EY codes on flights operated by Aer Arann - some difference in scale and perceived quality there!
235 shamrock604 : Absolutely! Although one thing these deals never seem to bring is any product consistency, except maybe in the premium cabins.
236 shamrock604 : Indeed, but who knows? Maybe EI wont be the operating carrier for a new US route?
237 AmricanShamrok : Don't forget EY used to codeshare (as in properly codeshare with flight numbers and the whole schbang) on some RE routes long before Aer Lingus Regio
238 shamrock604 : Interestingly enough for yourself, DUB-KIR is one of the routes included in the codeshare!
239 EIRules : Something you know that we dont??
240 Post contains images shamrock604 : Merely throwing out the possibilities old bean......
241 EIRules : Well why dont you divulge what you see as the "possibilities" in your humble opinion of course....
242 Post contains images OA260 : Good news about the FF program would be great to earn GC points on EY flights. EY can operate US routes in conjunction with EI apparantly according t
243 OA260 : Under what rules can EY operate AUH-DUB-YYZ on EI's traffic rights ? Can the flight be marketed Aer Lingus operated by Etihad or vv maybe .
244 shamrock604 : That would need to be an EI operation in terms of aircraft and crew or at least an aircraft wetleased by EI.[Edited 2012-07-30 18:24:43 by srbmod]
245 Post contains images tonymctigue : Gives me the option of flying home with one of the best airlines in the world but still supporting my favourite airport! Not that I didn't like CX wh
246 Post contains links EIRules : Though its a loss, pretty decent 6 months results for EI http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0731/aer...early-revenues-up-10-business.html
247 Post contains links OA260 : More trouble at the mill . Wouldnt be normal I guess without the constant threat of strikes at DUB and EI .... Air travel chaos feared after union pen
248 Post contains links shamrock350 : The Aer Lingus half year results presentation has a few nuggets of information on further product improvements. - Pre-ordered meals on short-haul will
249 OA260 : Nice enhancement will be nice to add it in at time of booking. Thats another good enhancement and I wouldnt mind paying a fee for it either.
250 Post contains images shamrock604 : I'd be happy to pay a reasonable fee for the wifi, bur reckon they should install across the fleet and not just on the 330. I'd use it on every fligh
251 Post contains images OA260 : Just had this email along with my Etihad Guest statement :
252 EIDL : Yes. Was one of the Air Contractors birds that had come from the US so fairly old and likely not worth repairing. The H1 document there has some inte
253 EIRules : Interesting. About a year ago I had to do a presentation for a certain other Irish airline about improving their inflight profitability and one of th
254 Post contains links kaitak : Ready to board the next thread: Irish 11/12: Airborne With Attitude (by kaitak Jul 31 2012 in Civil Aviation)
255 captainmeeerkat : Edit: Didn't see new thread, disregard![Edited 2012-07-31 13:09:14]
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