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Hawaiian Announces HNL-AKL  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11410 times:

Hawaiian Airlines continues with international expansion offering new 3 x weekly service from HNL to Auckland, New Zealand. The new service will commence in March, 2013

More here:
http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...-newsArticle&ID=1714739&highlight=

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/162528596.html?mobile=true

Aloha,
HALFA

[Edited 2012-07-15 15:17:25]


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11375 times:

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
Hawaiian Airlines continues with international expansion offering new 3 x weekly service from HNL to Auckland, New Zealand. The new service will commence in March, 2013

Finally, I've been calling this one forever....Awesome move HA love to see how you've grown over the years since I started flying with you as an Inter-Island only carrier.  



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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Very nice for HA! Our Kiwi friends will have some great news to wake up to this Monday morning!

The press release states flight timings will be well timed for onward connections to the mainland US. I didn't see the flight times shown, any one privy to that information yet?

Pohakuloa's Arm Chair CEO HA expansion prediction board:
2 for 3 on new destinations with 2 yet to be seen.

Kudos to HA on their continued growth in the Pacific region!

[Edited 2012-07-15 15:14:49]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11354 times:

HA is doing something right with this expansion!   
Congrats to HA and I hope they continue to expand and be profitable.

Maybe a flight to Taipei?   



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User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11285 times:

Great news HA. Had been expecting this for a while now.
Look forward to trying them out with this new service to AKL at some point



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11248 times:

Congratulations to Hawaiian, nice to see a US carrier back in AKL.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11206 times:

This is awesome. Thought AKL would be next as well, and here it is. With all these new routes, HA could legitimately make themselves a players in terms of connectivity, kind of an 'Emirates of the Pacific'. In concept, not scale.

Think of what they could offer from say, Australia/New Zealand to New York. 2 manageable flights and a nights stopover in HNL. That would be a fantastic proposition for Y class passengers.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11155 times:

Looks as if they are going to start the service with the 763.

I'd have expected them to go in the the A332, seeing as how their main competition is NZ, which has a pretty outstanding onboard product.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3048 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10818 times:

Be interesting to see if they could offer connections to other carriers on the AKL route...

People from Europe are very much restricted to flying NZ and connecting through London, if they are going to AKL. I wonder if they could codeshare with European Carriers and allow passengers to connect through the likes of LAX, SFO or SEA for example and fly HA the rest of the way.

Also be good to see more competition on the Pacific between the US and NZ, as I thing NZ are now the only operator... Am I right in thinking QF are no longer operating AKL-LAX route?


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10696 times:

Good news for AKL and HA the more the better, at least someone is going ahead ahead with expansions unlike UA who gave up before they even started, Yes NZ have the whole AKL - North America routes to themselves LAX,SFO,HNL and if you include Canada too then Vancouver  


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10502 times:

Way to go HA on the new expansion.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Maybe a flight to Taipei?

I would think that is a safe bet as they have the 4 to Japan, 2, Australia, 1 to Korea, 1 to Philippines, 1 America Samoa, 1 Tahiti and now 1 to New Zealand.


User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10262 times:

Will the flight connect both ways to the west coast? With QF pulling AKL-LAX, I would assume there will likely be some connecting traffic. NZ operates a monopoly to YVR, SFO and LAX, so I would assume there is some opportunity for HA to pick up connecting traffic at decent yields.


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User currently offlinepualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10239 times:

I just worked a MNL-HNL flight yesterday and we had four company cargo execs just returning from Singapore. When asked if Singapore was on the horizon they said they couldn't say anything concrete but I'm hoping yes !!

User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10174 times:

Wow, HA is on a role! Great news for HA! All I want next is a new US Destination.

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9798 times:

Clearly HA is in in the process of building a fortress hub in HNL. While most of the routes serve O&D traffic, the more they add, the more the concoction possibilities become a factor. Hopefully the AKL flights will be and easy connection with their JFK service. Nice alternative to the hustle and bustle of connecting through LAX or SFO.


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6452 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 8):
People from Europe are very much restricted to flying NZ and connecting through London, if they are going to AKL.

Eh? Yet CX, MH, SQ, KE, TG, EK and CZ all offer decent connections?

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
so I would assume there is some opportunity for HA to pick up connecting traffic at decent yields.

One thing I'd question is the hard product in the 763s which will operate this route. It'd be a different story if they had an A332 competing against the decent IFE offerings of NZ.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5948 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9556 times:
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I'm very glad to see HA expand it's international routes. I'm sorry to be buzzkill here, but I would definitely take NZ over HA any day...not so much for the nonstop, but NZ's product is far superior than HA.

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9357 times:

Interesting. I wonder how this will affect Air New Zealand and Hawaiian Airline's relationship. Air New Zealand currently performs heavy maintenance on Hawaiian's 767s. Is there a chance of this ceaseing now they are competitors?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I'd have expected them to go in the the A332, seeing as how their main competition is NZ, which has a pretty outstanding onboard product.

Additionally Air New Zealand's AKL-HNL flights have been upgraded to Boeing 777-200ERs which have better premium seats than the 767-300ERs which previously operated the route.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 8):
Also be good to see more competition on the Pacific between the US and NZ, as I thing NZ are now the only operator... Am I right in thinking QF are no longer operating AKL-LAX route?

Correct. Air New Zealand now has a monopoly on flights between New Zealand to North America. Consequently fares have gone up.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5126 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9199 times:

Another nail in FJ's turnaround strategy ...

Good call HA ... now I must call the consultant who has been working on their route plan   ... you know who you are.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9178 times:
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Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 18):
Another nail in FJ's turnaround strategy ...

Speaking of which, I wonder whether they will ever consider HNL-NAN ? They would probably stand a better chance of making it work than UA/CO did.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6452 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 17):
Air New Zealand currently performs heavy maintenance on Hawaiian's 767s. Is there a chance of this ceaseing now they are competitors?

I wouldn't expect the announcement to have any effect on the MX.. It's still extra revenue for NZ. And the fact that NZ has a better product might be the proving point on this route unless their prices can be significantly undercut.



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User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 15):

One thing I'd question is the hard product in the 763s which will operate this route. It'd be a different story if they had an A332 competing against the decent IFE offerings of NZ.

In economy, I don't think it is a big deal since they can get traffic on fares, and yields are likely to be high enough with so little competition. No one is going to take a flight stopping in HNL unless they want to go to HNL on a stopover or for a lower fare.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 16):
I'm very glad to see HA expand it's international routes. I'm sorry to be buzzkill here, but I would definitely take NZ over HA any day...not so much for the nonstop, but NZ's product is far superior than HA.

Where I see HA having problems is in the premium cabin. HA can't compete in first class with international business class products. HA goes after economy, but with them continuing to serve more international destinations, HA is going up against high quality business class products with a US domestic first class product.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 17):
Interesting. I wonder how this will affect Air New Zealand and Hawaiian Airline's relationship. Air New Zealand currently performs heavy maintenance on Hawaiian's 767s. Is there a chance of this ceaseing now they are competitors?

I doubt it would be an impact as most airlines will gladly do maintenance for other airlines if the price is right. However, I thought HA was shifting more towards contracting with DL for maintenance.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 21):
Where I see HA having problems is in the premium cabin.

Agreed. They really need to fit a proper long-haul product. The shortest flight HA operates is HNL-SFO (other than intra-island flights), which is a good five hours westbound and close to that eastbound. Yet their F product looks as if it's designed for continental US overland operations.

JFK-HNL is the longest nonstop domestic flight in the world that doesn't pass over foreign territory (CDG-RUN is longer, but crosses foreign countries). They really do need a long-haul premium product to reflect that.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25567 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8909 times:
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Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 18):
Another nail in FJ's turnaround strategy ...

Why "another" nail?

Air Pacific has just reported a good operating profit (over $11 million) against a loss last year:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/transport/...icle.cfm?c_id=97&objectid=10815446

"Air Pacific flies back into the black"

- which suggests the strategy is moving in the right direction.

mariner



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5126 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8756 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
Why "another" nail?

Air Pacific has just reported a good operating profit (over $11 million) against a loss last year:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/transport/...icle.cfm?c_id=97&objectid=10815446

"Air Pacific flies back into the black"

- which suggests the strategy is moving in the right direction.

mariner

= Well, it is 1 year - so let's hope it is sustainable. I have a lot of respect for Dave, Josef who did a lot of great work before leaving, and the consultants who have been pivotal and if anyone can keep them sustainable, it is the current team. They must do more to add connectivity however @ NAN.

Saludos,
A.



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25 HAL : HA uses DL for a lot of maintenance, yet HA competes with DL on several routes. I don't see DL clamoring to end the contract, since they are making a
26 mariner : I'm sure we all hope so, but you haven't explained what you mean by "another nail" - and I don't know who you mean by "Dave" and "Josef." They have l
27 ZK-NBT : Good news and not unexpected!!! I'd imagine timings similar to the new BNE service ex HNL. HNL 1000 AKL 1730 AKL 2100 HNL 0700 This is only until the
28 HAWAIIAN932 : If HA times the connections right I think it would be great for New Zealanders wanting to go to LAS, PHX, PDX, SAC, OAK, SJC, SEA, JFK or SAN and not
29 gilesdavies : Sorry that is me being stupid... I always think of flying UK to New Zealand has to be westbound over the USA. But there is only a matter of a few hun
30 DocLightning : Other airlines with similar fleets to HA manage it. But as HA begins to expand into an increasingly transpac and international market, their product
31 Pohakuloa : Oh, if so my passport and HawaiianMiles will certainly see an increase in activity! Singapore and soon Taipei makes perfect sense because they are bo
32 koruman : Sadly, both comments are incorrect. Air NZ's use of the 77E is a short-term winter holidays move, and then they return to using the 767-300ER, just l
33 aztrainer : Coming in at 7:00AM HST will be early to connect to HA's mainland flights. It seems as it would be at least a six hour layover in HNL: HA - 10 LAX -
34 FlyPNS1 : But most of their customers are leisure travelers who are unwilling to pay the premium necessary to justify a long-haul international product. How ma
35 yegbey01 : Nice to see this expansion. I was thinking why Hawaiian doesn't venture into points in Western Canada (like, YEG, YYC and YVR). I am sure there's quit
36 Mats : I still remember seeing a Hawaiian DC-8 at Auckland in 1991. At that time, American, United, and Continental all served Auckland (and Northwest flew t
37 bobloblaw : If HA grows too big and too successful, someone will try to buy them
38 bobloblaw : The flight to AKL doesnt have any connections from the USA. On the return LAX is a quick connection but the rest arent. The timings could move 2.5 ho
39 Post contains images bohica : It may depend on what type of maintenance work that needs to be done that determines if DL or NZ performs it. Just a guess. Many airlines do maintena
40 strfyr51 : Is LHR to AKL any closer than LHR-LAX- HNL-AKL or LHR- ORD- HNL- AKL?? The overall routing seems longer coming westbound
41 FlyPNS1 : How does IAH-AKL have anything to do with the HNL-AKL? Their totally different markets with a totally different purpose. HA would have announced HNL-
42 DocLightning : Admittedly, it's one-stop either way. And while switching terminals in LAX is always a "fun and exciting" experience, switching terminals at SFO is a
43 aztrainer : Thank you for the information and that makes a lot more sense. I was also wondering how quickly people could clear customs in PHNL? I agree that they
44 FlyPNS1 : Sorry, but fares just aren't that high given the distance. I can fly LAX-HNL-LAX on HA with only a week's notice for $600 r/t. I can fly JFK-HNL for
45 DocLightning : A more fair comparison would be to compare LAX-HNL to LAX-JFK. Both domestic flights of approximately the same length. The HNL flight generrally cost
46 FlyPNS1 : Yet even still, HA puts practically no F seats on their planes. Why do you think that is? Here's the answer. While people will pay a bit more to go t
47 LAXintl : For fun here are the average yield stats. I'm using AA & UA as example airlines as they offer service in both pairs. LAX-JFK AA - 11.92 UA - 12.3
48 jpetekyxmd80 : Not to mention all the award tickets.
49 DeltaL1011man : It won't. AA and DL compete on a bunch of routes but Delta sends its T800(RR Trent 800) overhauls to TESAL. also Delta does CFM56-7 work for AS, PW40
50 Post contains images ZKOJH : As soon as HA have more A332's this route will become one of them, so with the route starting next year, that only gives NZ around 15 months (after HA
51 JohnClipper : HNL-HKG would be nice too!
52 bobloblaw : Some of the flow traffic will now flow over HNL-AKL instead of IAH-AKL. If you think the two flights are completely independent of one another, think
53 azjubilee : The schedule for AKL hasn't been released yet, so all the speculation on connecting traffic is moot. For all we know HA could time the flight for an e
54 DocLightning : Hmm... this is interesting. Learn something new every day. So if it's so low-yield, why is everyone in a rush for the market?
55 jpetekyxmd80 : It's not that low yielding compared to other low yielding leisure destinations. Alaska's been very successful with their operation. They've long serv
56 ZK-NBT : I was thinking HAs mainland flights left HNL mid morning for some reason and returned early morning. My bad maybe more like. HNL 1400 AKL 2130 AKL 23
57 Post contains images booforty : Great news, I can't wait to fly this route with HA!
58 motorhussy : Looking forward to seeing these pretty vahine gracing our skies.
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