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BA Interested In Resuming Services To Santiago  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12774 times:
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Recently, BA has shown an interest in resuming services to Santiago de Chile. Currently, four oneworld alliance carriers serve SCL. Besides oneworld member LAN, American Airlines serves SCL from DFW and MIA, Iberia serves SCL from MAD, and Qantas serves SCL from SYD.

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British Airways is to launch vital “trade routes” to the growing economies of the Far East and Latin America despite losing its battle for a third Heathrow runway...Mr Walsh said that some of the 42 slots would be allocated to direct services to fast-growing cities in China such as Guangzhou and Shenyang and South American destinations such as Santiago in Chile.
British Airways takeover of BMI puts booming cities on the route map

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12741 times:

sounds interesting, what other destinations in SouthAmerica are on the radar?

I think a CCS flight could be very profitable these days.

Also would be nice to see them back in Bog and of course a LIM flight would make a lot of scence.

cheers
Avianca



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User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12704 times:

Interesting, you do wonder weather SCL would happen though on BA equipment. It's a long way to send an aircraft from LHR and I'd question how much O&D traffic really exists. I'd imagine if O&D was less than 50%, the remaining connecting pax would keep yields low and the route wouldn't be viable.

Malaysian and Vietnam routes sound good, probably slightly more viable too.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12572 times:

Just a hunch but I reckon if BA do return to SCL it will be via GRU.


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User currently offlineBA84 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 418 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12540 times:
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Quoting LX138 (Reply 2):
wonder whether SCL would happen though on BA equipment. It's a long way to send an aircraft from LHR

It would probably be an extension from EZE.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12497 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 3):
Just a hunch but I reckon if BA do return to SCL it will be via GRU.

Why? GRU can sustain a flight to LHR all by itself so why reduce the seat offer there? Keep in mind that BA already flies GRU-LHR with the 744.

Perhaps BA could use these new slots to shift GIG-LHR to daily redeye both ways (like they do to EZE and GRU). Currently they serve GIG 6x weekly daylight southbound. It would increase the yields of the service since premium pax prefer redeye flights between Brazil and Europe.

As for SCL if BA doesn't try a dedicated nonstop service, perhaps a flight through BOG could work. The detour is small and it would link there two cities to LHR.

At BOG the flight could have feed from LA's subsidiary Aires (LAN Colombia) as well.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12403 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
a LIM flight would make a lot of scence.

Indeed, traffic continues to grow rapidly at LIM and many pax and cargo connect to Asia via Europe. AF/KL are doing well at LIM and KL will soon increase capacity on the daily AMS-LIM route. AF will revert CDG-LIM back to 5x weekly next year.

Quoting tonystan (Reply 3):
Just a hunch but I reckon if BA do return to SCL it will be via GRU.

BA codeshares on LA's SCL-GRU route. Also, LA now codeshares on JJ's GRU-LHR and GIG-LHR routes.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 5):
As for SCL if BA doesn't try a dedicated nonstop service, perhaps a flight through BOG could work. The detour is small and it would link there two cities to LHR.

At BOG the flight could have feed from LA's subsidiary Aires (LAN Colombia) as well.

That won't happen as a SCL-BOG-LHR route would not attract premium customers from SCL! Right now, AF is making a killing on the CDG-SCL route due to the fact that it's the only carrier that offers a non-stop service to Europe with a plethora of connections via CDG; especially to Asia. That's why AF is increasing capacity on the daily CDG-SCL route.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
Indeed, traffic continues to grow rapidly at LIM and many pax and cargo connect to Asia via Europe. AF/KL are doing well at LIM and KL will soon increase capacity on the daily AMS-LIM route. AF will revert CDG-LIM back to 5x weekly next year.

increasing to what? every day 777-300?

well no doubt that cargo is increasing to Asia - but AF/KL are to expensive comparing to UA or LP interlining in LAX/SFO also the servcie is quite bad!

Also dont forget that KE is staring with the second weekly 74F frequenzy out of LIM ... also big bunch of the loads are doing to MIA and LAX.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12180 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
increasing to what? every day 777-300?

No, the B772 will operate 4x weekly and B77W will operate 3x weekly.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12170 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
sounds interesting, what other destinations in SouthAmerica are on the radar?

I think a CCS flight could be very profitable these days.

Also would be nice to see them back in Bog and of course a LIM flight would make a lot of scence.

Wouldn't it be nice if BA flew to BOG, LIM and SCL (all of them Oneworld hubs) ? 


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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
Indeed, traffic continues to grow rapidly at LIM and many pax and cargo connect to Asia via Europe. AF/KL are doing well at LIM and KL will soon increase capacity on the daily AMS-LIM route. AF will revert CDG-LIM back to 5x weekly next year.

That's right. KLM will deploy the 77W on the AMS-LIM route and AF will do the same on the CDG-SCL route this coming southern summer.  



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11976 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
I think a CCS flight could be very profitable these days

BA used to fly to Caracas in the past.
I didn't remember exactly when was it trimmed.
The coverage of BA is limited into the Latin American landscape as compared to other European carriers such as IB and AF/KL.

Regards.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11898 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 3):
Just a hunch but I reckon if BA do return to SCL it will be via GRU.
Quoting BA84 (Reply 4):
It would probably be an extension from EZE.

On top of the other arguments offered here against routing any future SCL operation throuhg GRU or EZE, the original article clearly states that BA will be using some of its newly acquired slots for these services. If the airline were planning to tag the destination to an existing flight, then there would not be any need to use new slots for these services.

Whatever the setup of a potential SCL service may be, it will be in the form of a brand new flight and not a tag on to an existing flight.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11780 times:

I wonder how much the synergies achieved through IAG are helping this flight. . .


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11708 times:
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 12):
I wonder how much the synergies achieved through IAG are helping this flight. . .

Interesting to note that BA does codeshare with IB on the MAD-SCL route; which has not helped IB to increase its LFs on the route...


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11402 times:

Why not a less conventional route like LHR-Belem-SCL?


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User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11306 times:

Perhaps a goos route for a new 788 next year?

User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11318 times:

Interesting.

However I don´t see this happening with BA planes, using slots and also a couple of planes to serve such a distant destination.... it must be very high yield place to be profitable. And I don´t think BA can achieve any profit in the route if they go direct.

However we might see LAN flying to London in the future with the B787, but right now even that is highly unlikely given the 2 daily to MAD and plenty of fast connection to LHR. But why not getting a slice of the Kangaroo route flowing via SCL??? I know it´s longer but i´m sure they can get some pax.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11211 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
Whatever the setup of a potential SCL service may be, it will be in the form of a brand new flight and not a tag on to an existing flight.

That is correct. LHR offers more connectivity; especially to destinations in Asia compared to MAD.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
However we might see LAN flying to London in the future with the B787, but right now even that is highly unlikely given the 2 daily to MAD and plenty of fast connection to LHR.

IMO, we will most likely see LA operating to BCN and FCO either as non-stop services from SCL and/or via Brazil with the B-787s in the future.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1738 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11204 times:

Hmmm going via EZE might be the way forward. Due to very strained relations with Argentina at the moment, the economic demand for the route is sure diminishing so any way to fill up seats may be an attarctive way to keep it afloat.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11176 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
Hmmm going via EZE might be the way forward. Due to very strained relations with Argentina at the moment, the economic demand for the route is sure diminishing so any way to fill up seats may be an attarctive way to keep it afloat.

A tag-on via EZE will only increase BA's costs in resuming services to SCL. Besides, LA operates SCL-EZE 50x weekly; thus connections are already available.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11036 times:

Assuming the new combined LAN / TAM stays in Oneworld, it is almost inevitable that there will be a direct nonstop LHR - SCL link.

A major business objective of airline alliances is to leverage connections of partner airlines and this surely cannot be maximised without an expedient BA hub to LAN hub connection.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10993 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 20):
Assuming the new combined LAN / TAM stays in Oneworld, it is almost inevitable that there will be a direct nonstop LHR - SCL link.

Yes and what about BOG as a CCS tag-on like before ?

Is LIM likely ?

Ooh I love South America....I may have to dig out my poncho and claves and go off on an adventure.

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 10895 times:
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Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 20):
Assuming the new combined LAN / TAM stays in Oneworld, it is almost inevitable that there will be a direct nonstop LHR - SCL link.

BA could launch the route anytime since it has access to more slots at LHR after acquiring BMI. However, LATAM has not officially joined OW. LAN will most likely stay in OW and TAM may remain unaligned for an unspecified period. LATAM has indicated that it intends to increase long-haul flights from certain hubs, including GRU and GIG, and will launch new routes from Brazil next year. LATAM has also shown an interest in participating in the privatisation of TAP.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 21):
Yes and what about BOG as a CCS tag-on like before

IMO, LHR-BOG would do well. However, LAN Colombia is not an affiliate member of OW and IB continues to codeshare with Avianca.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 12):I wonder how much the synergies achieved through IAG are helping this flight. . .

Interesting to note that BA does codeshare with IB on the MAD-SCL route; which has not helped IB to increase its LFs on the route...

But then IB offer a fairly unpleasant service, so maybe more people prefer to take LAN on the MAD-SCL route instead!



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User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9304 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 20):
Assuming the new combined LAN / TAM stays in Oneworld, it is almost inevitable that there will be a direct nonstop LHR - SCL link.

A major business objective of airline alliances is to leverage connections of partner airlines and this surely cannot be maximised without an expedient BA hub to LAN hub connection.

True, but at the end of the day it's O&D bums on seats they will need. For connection traffic - ones probably going to have to lower expectations on the number of Spanish, Portuguese and possibly even Italian originating passengers because of the need to backtrack, and it's people from these areas that are likely to make up the largest proportion of connections (unless anyone wants to correct me). It might be the German, French and Scandinavians that make it work though (and of course the traffic from the other end - ex SCL).



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25 lh526 : If true, that would make it three direct/nonstop oneworld connections Europe-SCL (IB, LA and BA) ... and not a single Star Alliance flight!
26 jfk777 : Considering Buenos Aires is the longest nonstop sector BA flies from LHR, Santiago is hard to imagine. One industry such a flight would work for is mi
27 MAV88 : How is BA able to maintain such a large network to North America and such a small one to South America? I am going to assume the demand for them is hi
28 eastern023 : Like HB-IWC said. The original article talks about a new slot, in other words it would be a brand new flight....I think BA may be going after AF sinc
29 jfk777 : Most of North America is much closer to LHR then Chile is, most about half as far. LAX, which is the longest route from the USA to LHR, is 3 hours cl
30 mikey72 : When I think about the hoops that BA had to jump through to get the AA anti-trust and the BD acquisition....! Even the IB merger was fair game for so
31 Post contains images LX138 : I think actually it could be a good one for the 787. I think SAN-LHR is longer
32 SJOtoLIR : How competitive is the LA-CX commercial pact for connections to Asia originated in Santiago de Chile as compared to IB-SCL-MAD-Asia? If BA will launc
33 SCL767 : There's absolutely no competition since IB does not fly to the Far East.
34 tonystan : Wel the GRU has only been going on its own a little over a year now. Previously to that it operated onwards to EZE. Also a vast amount of passengers
35 steve6666 : Yesteday morning G-CIVC arrived in Sao Paulo as the fourth mid-J 747 of the year. So for the other 196-odd days of the year thus far they have sent (
36 tonystan : Sorry you dont like my hunch, I did say it was only a hunch! Do BA actually have anything at present which could make SCL nonstop without restriction
37 RAGAZZO777 : Yes, they do. It's the Boeing 777-200ER.
38 eastern023 : Would we ever see maybe a decrease of IB MAD-SCL-MAD in favor of the LHR-SCL-LHR flight? Does IB has a smaller airplane that has the pants to fly the
39 IrishAyes : IB is only offering a daily flight between SCL and MAD, so why would they want to decrease it further? Especially because it appears that LA is simil
40 SCL767 : LAN views Australia and New Zealand as stronger markets from SCL and plans to add more flights into AKL and SYD during the high season with the A343s
41 IrishAyes : Which is precisely why I used the word, "announced" because that is as official as it has become... You are right, I forgot about this, thank you for
42 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN has "announced" the destinations which the B-787-8s will service during its first year of operations. However, LAN could receive more than 5 B-78
43 Viscount724 : Another factor is that the U.S. and Canada are Open Skies markets with no restrictions on routes, frequencies, capacity, 5th freedom rights etc. Most
44 SCL767 : Can you explain what you mean by "very restrictive"? Many European carriers have served Chile via Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, etc. in the past. Certa
45 Viscount724 : Yes, many European carriers have served many points in South America in the past (I wasn't referring specifically to Chile which I'm aware is very li
46 SCL767 : Certain South American countries have changed their aviation policies recently. For example, Brazil and the EU signed an Open Skies Agreement last ye
47 tonystan : Only just. Throw in a strong headwind into the equation and you are operating with restrictions!
48 SCL767 : The LHR-SCL route would operate with the B744 3 or 4 times weekly; similar to QF's operations on the SYD-SCL route. BA may even launch the route by t
49 tonystan : Would it operate with the 744 now? lol! Not sure they have any to spare right now. As an "insider" I reckon this will be a launch route for the B787
50 Post contains images Summa767 : Indeed the original article mentioned Asian cities first, and SCL last and only as an example of places that could be served. I am sure BA wants to k
51 eastern023 : I think is true that other cities in Asia will be opened before SCL, but that does not make it less of a priority (maybe not a top priority) SCL is a
52 2travel2know2 : Doesn't IB has the last word where BA is to fly to Latin America? If SCL wants a LON non-stop, would it be so bad to wait until LATAM flies SCL-LON no
53 jumpjets : I think the IAG board would have the last say not IB. I am pretty sure IAG will allow what they think is best for the group as a whole which may not
54 eastern023 : I feel IB will have the looser end of the stick on this one...
55 IrishAyes : As they should be. Their product is by far the lousiest of all of the major European carriers. They are an embarrassment to IAG and OneWorld.
56 eastern023 : Agreed. I see BA (like I said before) cannibalizing Iberia and shifting higher yielding traffic to its LHR hub from MAD if this makes financial sense
57 VV701 : An additional reason is geography. Most Europeans do not live within easy land transportation distances of an airport offering flights to the Eastern
58 SCL767 : It would be very difficult for LATAM to obtain new slots at LHR timed to maximize connections at LHR. Besides, LATAM is interested in opening new non
59 eastern023 : Iberia is clearly downsizing their long haul operations they have killed many routes such as BCN-GRU, BCN-MIA, MAD-JNB, MAD-COR, MAD-IAD, MAD-REC, MA
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