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Why Is LHR The "Host Airport" For London 2012?  
User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9796 times:

I have done a search on here and couldn't see anything...

I was curious to know why LHR is considered the "host airport" for London 2012 and the airport where all Olympic traffic is trying to be funnelled through?

Is is simply a case they are using Heathrow as it is considered the "premium" gateway for London and also the main hub for British Airways who happen to be a sponsor?...

The reason why I ask this question is surely airports like STN and possibly LCY are better airports to funnel through Olympic traffic. Heathrow is completely the wrong side and got to navigate around Central London to get to the Olympic site.

While STN on a map is further distance to the Olympic site, it is by far the most convenient and quickest airport to access, with the M11 motorway that runs from the airport straight past the stadium. Also the Stansted Express trains could actually stop at Stratford, as at present they run straight through the station.

From a infrastructure perspective STN also has all the facilities to cope, with a 3000+ meter runway to cope with all aircraft type, VIP facilities the opposite side of the airport from the terminal and with the airports passenger numbers declined by 6 million over the last few years, means there is plenty of runway and terminal capacity.

LCY is the closest airport to the site, but limited by capacity and aircraft sizes.

Even though LHR boasts far more destinations than any other UK airport, surely the majority of Athletes and VIP will be coming in on chartered flights, due to the shear numbers flying in from any single nation.

I initially I thought all the major London airports were official Olympic airports, but a friend who works at LTN has told me they are not allowed to refer to the airport as an Olympic gateway as this title is only reserved for LHR and no other London airport is allowed to refer to themselves as this. While LTN will still have London 2012 help point desk to assist any travellers flying through the airport.

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User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2906 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9760 times:

I understand that the vast majority of athletes are arriving on standard scheduled flights because different disciplines are arriving at different times.

However, I believe various charters are planned to remove the athletes en masse at the conclusion of the games.

I am sure the likes of LTN and STN will get their fair share of biz jets though.

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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9732 times:
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My guess would be that LHR coughed up a butt load of sponsorship money in exchange for making this claim. The same as sports drinks or car markers or clothing producers who claim they are the official whatever of a sports team. I wouldn't read too much into it.


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9522 times:

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 1):
I understand that the vast majority of athletes are arriving on standard scheduled flights

  

Scheduled long haul flights to London airports other than LHR are very limited. And even for short haul flights FR will charge you a fortune if you try to check in a 5.3m pole vault pole, a 4kg, 1.2m long hammer, or even just a sports bag with all the kit a professional athlete needs. So unless you are on a charter flight LHR is the airport of choice.

The 'Olympic Route Network" - highways with at least one lane restricted to official Olympic and Paralympic traffic - link LHR to the Olympic Park and Olympic Village and the Park and Village to all Olympic sites (such as Horse Guards' Parade for Beach Volleyball). Focussing these lanes on one airport causes less inconvenience to routine day-to-day traffic than having to provide them to link every London airport to the park and to the village.

If you focus on just one airport then there is no choice. For reasons already identified it has to be LHR. It also has to be LHR as, for part of their Olympic and Paralympic sponsorship, BA have undertaken to fly in teams from the world's poorer nations who otherwise could not afford to participate. And all their flights from the world's poorer countries and regions are to LHR.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3928 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9469 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 2):

This is correct - £140million of correct infact.

LHR is the same as any other sponsor for the Olympics.


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9405 times:

MONEY! BAA paid to have the designation as "offical" airport. However, given the range of destinations offered from LHR, I guess that the majority of Olympic teams would fly into LHR anyway. Charter wise it might be a squeeze though.


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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Another reason is that 80% of all Olympic traffic, including athletes, support staff, media and viewers is being funnelled through LHR. And as stated above, the reason being most of the traffic is on scheduled flights!

User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9028 times:

Hasn't LHR set up some kind of special immigration area as well for the event for the athletes or am I having a senior moment on a Monday again?

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
And even for short haul flights FR will charge you a fortune if you try to check in a 5.3m pole vault pole, a 4kg, 1.2m long hammer, or even just a sports bag with all the kit a professional athlete needs.

Ha Ha, you are soo right....by the time you had added that to your check in costs with FR you would be better off hiring a plane!


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3928 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8998 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 6):

Another reason is that 80% of all Olympic traffic, including athletes, support staff, media and viewers is being funnelled through LHR. And as stated above, the reason being most of the traffic is on scheduled flights!

Problem is, that doesn't mean jack - without the Olympic Committees permission you cannot legally claim to be in any way attached to the Olympics. This is one of those things the Olympic Committee rules require host nations to commit to pass into law before they permit the games to be hosted there - then they can sell official Olympic titles to sponsoring entities...

British Airways could carry 90% of the Olympic athletes into the UK, but without the committees say so they wouldn't even be able to mention the Olympics in their advertising campaigns - and it cost BA about £40Million to become the official airline.

The modern Olympics is all about the money, don't make any mistake that its not.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

Isn't LHR the main London airport? It makes sense that all the athletes go through there.

It would seem odd if for this globally significant event to use a less significant airport like LGW or STN.

LHR has always been the principle London airport.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3928 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 9):
Isn't LHR the main London airport? It makes sense that all the athletes go through there.

It would seem odd if for this globally significant event to use a less significant airport like LGW or STN.

LHR has always been the principle London airport.

I dont think theres any possible suggestion that airlines are picking LHR because of the status, or that LHR has gained the status because airlines are using them for the Olympic-specific flights...


User currently offlinelapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1564 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 8):
Problem is, that doesn't mean jack - without the Olympic Committees permission you cannot legally claim to be in any way attached to the Olympics.

Exactly. Fair use excerpt from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18182541
Use of two words in Group A, or one word in Group A and one in Group B, could see you falling foul of Olympics sponsorship rules:

Group A
Games
Two Thousand and Twelve
2012
Twenty-Twelve

Group B
London
Medals
Sponsors
Summer
Gold
Silver
Bronze


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8799 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 4):
This is correct - £140million of correct infact.

Do you have a source? This seems to me to be an exceedingly high figure.

According to the BBC the expenditure by Heathrow Airport Ltd is significantly less. They say:

"Airport owner BAA said it was spending more than £20m on the Games, none of which was public funds."

See:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17599477

This money was used to build a temporary terminal that will only operate in the three days following the games closure as well as installing lifts to handle Paralympians' wheelchairs, providing extra media facilities, and recruiting and training 1,000 volunteers to meet and greet passengers arriving for the Games.

There are four levels of participation in Official Olympic sponsorship.

The top level is "Worldwide Olympic Partner". There are eleven corporations at this level, namely Acer, Atos, Coca-Cola, Dow, GE, Macdonalds, Omega, Panasonic, Procter & Gamble, Samsung and VISA. Simon Chadwick, Professor of Sports Business at Coventry University, said in an interview on the BBC that Coca-Cola was "spending upwards of £100 million" on London 2012. In itself this is significantly less than £140 million.

The next (lower) level of sponsorship are the "London 2012 Olympic Partners". They are Adidas, BMW, British Airways, British Telecom, BP, EDF and Lloyds TSB. I have seen it suggested that their sponsorship cost may be in the region of £40 million each.

The third level, "London 2012 Official Supporters" comprises seven corporation. They include Cadbury, Cisco Systems, Deloitte and UPS.

The lowest level of association is "London 2012 Providers and Suppliers". It comprises 28 companies. They include Heathrow Airport Ltd, the now notorious G4S as well as well known companies like Glaxo-Smith-Kline, Holiday Inn and Eurostar and lesser known companies such as Atkins, Crystal CG, Gymnova and Technogym. I am not even sure that at this level a cash payment is made. However these companies do provide a service to the IOC in return for their appointment.as official suppliers The service provided by Heathrow Airport Ltd and its cost has been described above.

Altogether there are 52 companies that are partial contributors to the cost of the Games (excluding the infrastructure that is publicly funded) of about £2 billion. This is an average of £38 million each. I am pretty sure that Heathrow Airport Ltd, being in the lowest tier of sponsorship and support, will be incurring a cost significantly below this average figure and therefore nowhere near £140 million. So the publicly quoted £20 million looks about right to me.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3928 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8716 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
Do you have a source? This seems to me to be an exceedingly high figure.

Nothing public I can link to.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
According to the BBC the expenditure by Heathrow Airport Ltd is significantly less. They say:

"Airport owner BAA said it was spending more than £20m on the Games, none of which was public funds."

That £20Million is in improvements and temporary capacity increases - thats not anything to do with the sponsorship cost itself.

I stand by my figures however, what I have seen spelled it out in no uncertain terms.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9031 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I was curious to know why LHR is considered the "host airport" for London 2012 and the airport where all Olympic traffic is trying to be funnelled through?

I guess it is not all about people, lot of cargo involved as well. LHR from what I understand is better suited for large animals as well.

I guess it would be too far of a commute from places like CHT as well  



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User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
The reason why I ask this question is surely airports like STN and possibly LCY are better airports to funnel through Olympic traffic. Heathrow is completely the wrong side and got to navigate around Central London to get to the Olympic site.

I'll think you'll find a lot of the people arriving won't actually be heading to the Olympic park - many of the athletes are going straight to pre-Olympics training bases - which are all across the UK, then after that some of them will relocate to the Olympic park and village. Even then, you still have rowing and flat water kayakers staying in Egham - only 15 mins from LHR.

I know one African delegation is training down in Portsmouth and we have the South African team based here in Richmond/Teddington all week. Most of the Chinese team are up in Leeds.

I'd expect a good portion of people are going through LGW and MAN then.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 13):
That £20Million is in improvements and temporary capacity increases - thats not anything to do with the sponsorship cost itself.

Correct. But Heathrow Airport Ltd is NOT an official "sponsor" NOR an official "partner" of London 2012. It is, however, an official "supplier" and "provider". Go to the London 2012 web site and check it out for yourself.

Here is a link to the Coca-Cola London 2012 Pavilion site where you will be able to buy a Coke with your cash or VISA card:

http://www.atelierten.com/2012/proje...ola-pavilion-london-2012-olympics/

This, together with the Games tickets it is giving to its competition winners probably accounts for most if not all the difference between the tier one sponsorship fee (which I believe is £80 million) and the "upwards of £100 million" referred to by Professor Chadwick as being Coca-Cola Corporation's total expenditure on London 2012 - see Reply 12.

Heathrow Airport Ltd is, according to the IOC, one of 52 official tier four "suppliers and providers" to London 2012. Further a BAA spokesman has said that Heathrow Airport Ltd is spending "more than £20 million" on the games. So where the figure of £140 million now escalated to £160 million comes from I do not know.

Heathrow Airport is getting no exclusivity. It is getting no space for a pavilion in the Olympic Park. It has no tickets to give e as prizes to its customers. It will get a minimal if measurable increase in customer numbers as a direct result of London 2012. What a deal for £160 million! Much more for much less.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8136 times:
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Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Even though LHR boasts far more destinations than any other UK airport,
Quoting babybus (Reply 9):
Isn't LHR the main London airport? It makes sense that all the athletes go through there.


In terms of passenger numbers, the LHR is easily the man London airport. However, tis is a mini-table for the UK showing the number of scheduled passenger destinations an airport had in 2011 based on the CAA's annual statistics. It doesn't take into account any services that ceased during the year:

LGW 186
LHR 185
STN 157
MAN 143
EDI 105
LTN 89
BHX 83
BRS 83
LPL 70
EMA 67
LBA 65
GLA 60
NCL 56
LCY 38
BFS 36
ABZ 32



For comparison, these are the results when charter destinations are also included. Some are going to be bumped up due to ad-hoc nature of some of the chartering organisations

LGW 286
MAN 230
LHR 228
STN 227
LTN 196
EDI 156
BHX 156
GLA 141
BRS 123
EMA 117
NCL 108
LPL 96
LBA 87
BFS 87
ABZ 61
LCY 43


User currently offlinebtfarrwm From United States of America, joined May 2011, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Cool, so GTW could have the slogan "Gatwick Sponsors London Gold, Silver and Bronze!"

User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 17):
In terms of passenger numbers, the LHR is easily the man London airport. However, tis is a mini-table for the UK showing the number of scheduled passenger destinations an airport had in 2011 based on the CAA's annual statistics. It doesn't take into account any services that ceased during the year:

LGW 186
LHR 185
STN 157
MAN 143
EDI 105
LTN 89
BHX 83
BRS 83
LPL 70
EMA 67
LBA 65
GLA 60
NCL 56
LCY 38
BFS 36
ABZ 32

So LGW actually serves more scheduled destinations? Thats interesting.

Based on that, Gatwick's Olympic slogan should be:

"Do you want to come second or do you want to come first? Fly from Gatwick!"



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
surely the majority of Athletes and VIP will be coming in on chartered flights, due to the shear numbers flying in from any single nation.

I think you'll find that by far the majority of Olympic athletes and other participants use scheduled flights.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Arrivals started on Monday. Amongst the very first were the American sailing team.

LHR handled 236,955 passengers on Monday. This eclipsed the previous highest total of 233,562 passengers that passed through the airport on 31 July last year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18863263


User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
The lowest level of association is "London 2012 Providers and Suppliers". It comprises 28 companies. They include Heathrow Airport Ltd, the now notorious G4S as well as well known companies like Glaxo-Smith-Kline, Holiday Inn and Eurostar and lesser known companies such as Atkins, Crystal CG, Gymnova and Technogym. I am not even sure that at this level a cash payment is made. However these companies do provide a service to the IOC in return for their appointment.as official suppliers The service provided by Heathrow Airport Ltd and its cost has been described above.

Money does change hands (or possibly services are rendered free of charge to the IOC in return for the 'provider' status), Stagecoach have the contract for providing buses for shuttling athletes and staff around the Olympic sites. However as they are not a 'provider' the vehicles must be debranded with no commercial names (including Stagecoach's!) permitted to appear beyond the legally required operators name and address in small print by the leading axle.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 22):
Money does change hands (or possibly services are rendered free of charge to the IOC in return for the 'provider' status),

In the case of Heathrow Airport Ltd they are spending £20 million plus on providing the temporary Olympic terminal that will operate for the three days after the Games close, in training and supervising 1,000 volunteers who are acting as guides in the terminals, increasing the numbers of security personnel to smooth transit from land side to air side, providing Olympic Accreditation Desks from where games participants and officials will be able to collect the necessary accreditation they require to gain access to the Olympic Park, Olympic Village etc and providing the facilities for a London 2012 retail shop in each terminal.

Here is a link to Heathrow's Monday (16 July) press release with more detail:

http://mediacentre.heathrowairport.c...ic-arrivals-period-starts-247.aspx


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