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AF Crew Finds Dead Baby In Plane Lav  
User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17698 times:

Hello all,

This is horrible to say the least. How is this even possible ?

http://www.metrofrance.com/paris/roi...ttes-d-un-avion/mlgp!yzN6SJvA5KAC/

Rough translation:

Quote:
A dead newborn baby has been found in an airplane's toilets on Sunday. The airplane departed from Abidjan (Ivory Coast) bound for CDG. The aircraft was then scheduled to depart to Dubaï (UAE).

A source close to the investigation said that the discovery happened during the inspection upon crew change. The toilets were blocked, and while an employee was fixing this, the body was found.

The airplane then took off to Dubaï six hours late.

Awful.


Cheers
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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17266 times:

Often such cases are actually miscarriages at the 5 to 6 month period.

The child was not developed enough to live though to a non-doctor it might appear normal. A very low weight and other medical problems can made it difficult for the mother to even know that she was pregnant. She has distressful problems and goes to the toilet. Some times she is not even aware she had a miscarriage and passed the child.

Cultural issues, and even just normal fear, can make her unwilling to acknowledge what happened.

I'm not saying this is the case here. I don't read French and there do not appear to be enough details to tell anyway.

But, just saying - many of these cases are not what the journalist make them appear.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16506 times:

Hasn't things like this happend before coming out of countries like the Ivory Coast? I guess depending on how old they estimate the baby was, nobody would have noticed a pregnant person suddenly not so pregnant or at least not a little off.


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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16180 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Often such cases are actually miscarriages at the 5 to 6 month period.

Right on, they've confirmed it about an hour ago with an autopsy.



Cheers
User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 542 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16075 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Often such cases are actually miscarriages at the 5 to 6 month period.

Miscarriage at around 20 weeks they say after the authopsy - for those who read french:

http://www.metrofrance.com/paris/roi...ide-abandonnee/mlgp!82jrAFjw0wdRc/


User currently offlinefiloflyer From Finland, joined Feb 2012, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

couple of years ago it also happened in a GF plane from Bahrain to MNL, baby was disposed in bin but fortunately he survived http://www.metro.co.uk/news/840667-baby-found-in-gulf-air-flight-bin

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1357 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

Quoting filoflyer (Reply 5):
couple of years ago it also happened in a GF plane from Bahrain to MNL,

And on a Pacific Blue flight in 2009 from Samoa to Auckland:
http://avherald.com/h?article=416b4d9b&opt=4096



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User currently offlinetennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6480 times:
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Sorry floks, but there is absolutely no excuse for the mother not reporting this to a FA or other authorities.

User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

I'm guessing there was a good chance this woman was a first-time flier and may have not known she was pregnant. Taking a dump six miles in the sky in a tiny, noisy, bumpy terlit is not the most normal event to begin with. I'm inclined to give the lady a break.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3460 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 8):
I'm guessing there was a good chance this woman was a first-time flier and may have not known she was pregnant. Taking a dump six miles in the sky in a tiny, noisy, bumpy terlit is not the most normal event to begin with. I'm inclined to give the lady a break.

Passing fecal matter out your butt, is not the same sensation as passing a baby from your vagina, sorry. I'm not a woman and I know that. I do agree this person was most likely scared and unsure of her situation aboard an Intl flight, maybe she was fearful that she would be detained upon arrival in Paris, and didn't declare it because she didn't want to risk being jailed for murder. Who knows for sure but the woman and God. What about the cord? Are you saying the cord detatched and she didn't have to cut it with something? for that matter how did she do that, she knew what was going on, she freaked.

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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

I feel bad for the worker who had to clear the blocked lav--that sort of thing would impact me greatly.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
Passing fecal matter out your butt, is not the same sensation as passing a baby from your vagina, sorry. I'm not a woman and I know that. I do agree this person was most likely scared and unsure of her situation aboard an Intl flight, maybe she was fearful that she would be detained upon arrival in Paris, and didn't declare it because she didn't want to risk being jailed for murder. Who knows for sure but the woman and God.

Agree.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
What about the cord? Are you saying the cord detatched and she didn't have to cut it with something?

For miscarriages at that age - a problem with the placenta and cord are very common causes. The child has been dead for several hours or days and the cord likely to have detached. The malformed placenta may have passed looking like a large blood clot.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
is not the same sensation as passing a baby from your vagina,

The mother was likely bleeding extensively, with a lot of clotting - and trying to keep from making a mess on the aircraft. The child's body would have been 20-28 cm long (8-11.5 inches) and weighed under 1 kg if it was a normal development with adequate nutrition. It could easily have been half that size if the mother was small and had not received proper pre-natal nutrition and vitamins.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13200 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Have they located the mother and hopefully she got or on her own got medical help? This was a very sad situation, that happens far too often due to cultural, personal and political fears, sexual and pregnancy ignorance, rape, poverty, poor health or even mental health problems.

I wonder if those that worked on the toilet and saw the fetus are allowed to take paid time off due to the trauma of seeing such a situation?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20355 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 4):
Miscarriage at around 20 weeks

Even if that infant had been born at the best hospital with a level 1 NICU, s/he wouldn't have made it.


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