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WN 7/16 Schedule Release  
User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 935 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7779 times:

New/Returning:

ABQ-MCO
ALB-LAS
BDL-LAS
ISP-RSW
MCI-MSP (perfect timings for business day trips.)
PBI-PIT
PVD-PBI
PVD-RSW

Nothing ending that I noticed.


My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Thread starter):
MCI-MSP (perfect timings for business day trips.)

It's about time!

DL did everything they could to chase Frontier out of MSP-MCI, but now they have another competitor on the route that they won't be able to defeat!



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22939 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

PVD/ISP-RSW are interesting. I think of the west coast of Florida as more of a destination for those of us in flyover country than for the east coast (sort of the anti-PBI). But WN knows how many copnnecting passengers they are getting to RSW from those cities.


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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7637 times:
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Quoting usflyguy (Thread starter):
MCI-MSP (perfect timings for business day trips.)

About time. People have been asking for this for years. Hopefully one plane thru service to DAL.


User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 1):
MCI-MSP (perfect timings for business day trips.)

It's about time!

DL did everything they could to chase Frontier out of MSP-MCI, but now they have another competitor on the route that they won't be able to defeat!

Finally! Now just waiting on MSP-OMA. My biggest client (fortune 100 company) was flying weekly MSP-OMA, she said it's always $800-$1000 and about a month ago, her boss said she now has to drive it after flying it for many years because the price is just too much. It's a 6 hour drive @ 75mph and she hates it! It wastes 2 days every week driving and she can't get her work done now. She has been waiting for southwest to fly this for the past year! For her sake and many others that I know, I really hope that 2x daily OMA-MSP starts in the next year or so!!


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
Hopefully one plane thru service to DAL.

No Thru-Flight, but WN 384 (MSP-MCI) gives the option to connect to WN 19 (MCI-DAL) in MCI.


User currently offlineunmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 5):
No Thru-Flight, but WN 384 (MSP-MCI) gives the option to connect to WN 19 (MCI-DAL) in MCI.


As sdoyon mentioned, the flights are not thru flights to DAL; however as currently exists today one-stop thru flights are offered thru STL



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User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
PVD/ISP-RSW are interesting. I think of the west coast of Florida as more of a destination for those of us in flyover country than for the east coast (sort of the anti-PBI). But WN knows how many copnnecting passengers they are getting to RSW from those cities.

WN ran PVD-RSW this past winter. There is a large second home component from the PVD area to the RSW area and then you add in the Red Sox nation demand for Spring training games and you have hyper-demand for a few months. NK ran PVD-RSW 2X daily (1X 321 and 1X 319 a few years ago).


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):
Finally! Now just waiting on MSP-OMA. My biggest client (fortune 100 company) was flying weekly MSP-OMA, she said it's always $800-$1000 and about a month ago, her boss said she now has to drive it after flying it for many years because the price is just too much. It's a 6 hour drive @ 75mph and she hates it! It wastes 2 days every week driving and she can't get her work done now. She has been waiting for southwest to fly this for the past year! For her sake and many others that I know, I really hope that 2x daily OMA-MSP starts in the next year or so!!

I agree 100%.

I think MSP-OMA is an untapped market, because there isn't an easy way to drive there. You either have to take I-35 to I-80 via DSM, which is somewhat circtuitous, or take US-71 to US-169, which is mostly two lane undivided rural roads.

There's never been a low fare airline in this market, and I think Southwest would really stimulate it by getting people out of their cars.



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22939 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 7):
WN ran PVD-RSW this past winter. There is a large second home component from the PVD area to the RSW area and then you add in the Red Sox nation demand for Spring training games and you have hyper-demand for a few months.

Appreciate the insight. That's interesting. I did not realize that the Red Sox trained so close to RSW - you can almost walk there from the old terminal.



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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

I'm dying to know what WN plans to add to DSM, DAY, and especially CAK.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7251 times:

I'm confused I guess. ALB-LAS was supposed to become seasonal, according to another thread. Now will it stay year round?


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5412 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

The blog was just updated with Bill Owens' summary of the schedule extension (which is thru March 8):
http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/february-2013-schedule-opens

bb


User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7100 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
Quoting pvd757 (Reply 7):
WN ran PVD-RSW this past winter. There is a large second home component from the PVD area to the RSW area and then you add in the Red Sox nation demand for Spring training games and you have hyper-demand for a few months.

Appreciate the insight. That's interesting. I did not realize that the Red Sox trained so close to RSW - you can almost walk there from the old terminal.

They are right in Ft. Myers. Flights on B6 during March out of BOS are always packed with Sox fans heading down. Out of PVD will be no different for WN.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):
I'm confused I guess. ALB-LAS was supposed to become seasonal, according to another thread. Now will it stay year round?

No, still seasonal. This is just announcing the seasonal resumption. All of the routes announced (except for MCI-MSP) will be seasonal.

It's interesting the number of seasonal Florida routes that WN is adding....taking a page out of FL's playbook. So much for those who were expecting a big drawdown of WN in Florida after the merger.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5412 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

This schedule extension, IMO, and at least from a SAN perspective, is a true indicator of the latest trend in WN scheduling. Effective 2/13/13, our flight count increases by a net 3 daily departures (to 89) as compared to the January 2013 offering, following the reinstatement of most of the cuts made on that January schedule. (Understandable.) However, this February schedule contains 4 fewer flights than the previous February (2012) schedule which saw SAN with 93 daily flights!

So SAN is seeing more and more seasonal service (both routes and frequencies) along with an overall decrease in the number of flights. I'm sure this is not the case at all WN stations, but it seems that this is more often the case lately in a number of cities.

Good, bad -- ? Just part of the new Southwest (and new environment in which today's airlines exist.)

bb


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6747 times:
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Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):
Finally! Now just waiting on MSP-OMA.
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):
I think MSP-OMA is an untapped market, because there isn't an easy way to drive there. You either have to take I-35 to I-80 via DSM, which is somewhat circtuitous, or take US-71 to US-169, which is mostly two lane undivided rural roads.

There's never been a low fare airline in this market, and I think Southwest would really stimulate it by getting people out of their cars.

I agree 100% as well - it's far enough that it's worth flying and has never had an LCC attempt stimulation of the market.



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

Does anyone have a clue on the net gain/loss for other existing routes to WN cities?

User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 17):
Does anyone have a clue on the net gain/loss for other existing routes to WN cities?

PVD goes from 17 to 23 departures (January 2013 to February 2013) but is off by 1 departure February year over year.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2286 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 4):

Finally! Now just waiting on MSP-OMA. My biggest client (fortune 100 company) was flying weekly MSP-OMA, she said it's always $800-$1000 and about a month ago, her boss said she now has to drive it after flying it for many years because the price is just too much. It's a 6 hour drive @ 75mph and she hates it! It wastes 2 days every week driving and she can't get her work done now. She has been waiting for southwest to fly this for the past year! For her sake and many others that I know, I really hope that 2x daily OMA-MSP starts in the next year or so!!

couldnt one still do OMA-MDW-MSP or OMA-STL-MSP and still be cheaper than a non stop DL flight? Even with the connection I would think it would be still quicker than driving, as pointed out theres no good way to drive there


User currently offlineeagle125 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Lots of long(er) hauls on here. I think as the 733s and 735s slowly phase out this will continue to be the trend, at the cost of 1 hour runs, like we're seeing already.


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User currently offlinestl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6143 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 17):
Does anyone have a clue on the net gain/loss for other existing routes to WN cities?
STL will be at 88 daily flights with this schedule release, and if you add in the proposed twice daily service to DCA, STL will be at 90 daily flights (93 with AirTran service to ATL). STL stays pretty consistent.....

[Edited 2012-07-16 14:46:47]

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

Gee....... DEN is not getting any luv these last two releases......

Nothing like feeling forgotten, eh?

 


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5080 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 22):


Nothing like feeling forgotten, eh?

Sarcasm I hope. DEN gotta a lotta LUV relatively quickly compared to any other new WN station in history. It's just gonna be a few additions here and there at DEN for awhile while WN digests FL.



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

Well like always with every schedule release rumors of what's to be announced fly out of every direction.
I relay and post them EVEN THOUGH I take some back lash from them. I only post to see if others have heard the same rumblings with that said.
Looks like the only big winner for Monday is MSP-MCI.
More announcements again rumored about FL new international flying along with some WN DCA flying to be coming out this Thursday.
I think you will see more International flying from SNA.
enjoy wnfg  



my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
25 FL787 : On a somewhat related note, I noticed that, starting with the October schedule, WN has concentrated the remaining 735s to basically only flights to/fr
26 nwa757boy : Kind off topic but back in stew school a fellow class mate from Boston remembered Fort Myers airport code as Red Sox Winter (RSW). Kind of clever if y
27 Post contains images point2point : Imagine that it's kinda feeling like going through a withdrawal when so much attention has been hoisted hereupon.........
28 mcdu : All this fluff about routes, yet WN doesn't have any synergy from AT merger. When will they have combined operations/schedules?
29 Blueman87 : WN can be defeated
30 ouboy79 : After each aircraft has been redone and painted in canyon blue. I thought this was well publicized already?
31 blhp68 : I am not sure if this was released a few weeks ago or as part of this schedule change, but MCI-OAK has dropped off the schedule effective 1/6/12. Thi
32 mcdu : I would love to see the business plan that says they will integrate only after ALL the airplanes are painted. Do they just stand down the AT fleet wh
33 usflyguy : You post basically this same comment about every 3 months and the answer is still the same. Give up already and find something else to focus all of y
34 SANFan : This kind of thing is happening all over WN's routemap (and other cx' as well.) See reply 15 for an example... I'm sure OAK-MCI will be back. It's ju
35 blhp68 : Thanks SANFan, I hope it is just seasonal!
36 Post contains images ouboy79 : Have you read any of the other threads? There are obvious hurdles...res system and such before everything can be integrated. What FL (not AT) route s
37 mcdu : That couldn't be farther from the truth. I would give up flying before I ever worked for WN. They are not the model I wanted when choosing a career.
38 FlyPNS1 : You preferred to work for carriers that lose money and file for BK. Hilarious! They have a plan for integration...it's just a much slower plan than m
39 Cubsrule : Probably true, but I don't know that DL cares enough to make the effort to do so. They aren't running 753s on STL-MSP, and I think capacity on STL-MS
40 FL787 : Ok thanks. I don't think that rule has been true at least recently. With the current schedule, BWI and PHX are the only stations with double digit 73
41 Cubsrule : In the schedule, there clearly is. It'll be interesting to see how they are actually utilized. Are they doing a lot of DAL-HOU-SAT stuff? And are the
42 MSPNWA : Very nice! Been a while since MSP saw new WN service outside of the FL deal. MCI is a nice add. And yes, I concur on OMA!
43 usflyguy : Or US/HP's merger that was all roses back in 2005... Oh wait, 7 years later and they still aren't integrated.
44 GSPSPOT : I honestly would have expected to see some kind of adjustments at GSP or CHS by now - it's been basically a year and a half now, with no schedule twea
45 FlyPNS1 : That's not really surprising....most tertiary markets like CHS/GSP aren't going to see more than about 8 flights a day on WN. You may be running reco
46 Post contains images GSPSPOT : ...and on THAT happy note....
47 SESGDL : DL is running 4 mainline today with a mix of Airbuses and MD-90s and 3 CR9/E70/75s on MSP-STL for 7 daily peak flights total, not sure where you're g
48 LV : Yeah, good ole Jetblue Park at Fenway South. When I lived in Cape Coral/ Fort Myers I joked I lived in the southern most suburb of Boston. I could se
49 MSYtristar : New Orleans will be up to 50 WN departures a day come February since MDW, LAS, and BWI each get the frequency back that was cut in January. Also, the
50 Cubsrule : I have no idea what I pulled up on Delta's timetable, but it pretty obviously wasn't the MSP-STL schedule, which is similar to what they had before W
51 iowaman : MCI-OAK/SEA are seasonal and should be back. ABQ-MCO/STL is also now considered seasonal and will be back.
52 MJBATC12 : Last I heared BDL-LAS was seasonal... is it not now and now year round? Gone between YR and SEAS a few times... clarify if it's back year round or rem
53 VC10DC10 : Agreed! Thanks for this information! Here's a question for all you WN experts: why does DAY only have one WN departure a day, and that to DEN? I woul
54 sdoyon : In my opinion, regarding DAY, it was to put the squeeze on F9.
55 usflyguy : Anything else rumored to be announced tomorrow?
56 Post contains images wnflyguy : Well I have nothing but here is what I want to see on my short wish list. CODE SHARE FIX ATL-SNA redeye service by FL. wnfg
57 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Nice to see all the seasonal resumptions, and no route cuts! Wow! The luv keeps coming for MSP. After starting with just MDW service (8x daily) on Mar
58 MJBATC12 : Would be nice to see WN would try a nonstop BDL to PHX... AW used to do it with a 319 daily up until 08'. Bigger WN focus city than LAS if you ask me
59 VC10DC10 : Call me mildly skeptical, but I'm not completely sure I agree. With both MSP and ATL being fortress DL hubs (I think we can all agree on that), might
60 Post contains images iowaman : Spirit Airlines is also flying MSP-LAS daily with a A319. I'm sure yields are not stellar, although a flight to one of Southwest's largest stations w
61 kkephart13 : Anything on the schedule yet??
62 ouboy79 : Odd question? What are you wanting to know. The additions were noted in the first post.
63 kkephart13 : This was posted on Wednesday... So according to that person, an announcement was expected Thursday... Thats what i was asking....
64 MSPNWA : As recently as April, MSP-STL saw just a lone mainline flight--an A319. Obviously the summer schedule includes a large increase in gauge and frequenc
65 VC10DC10 : Thanks, I'd completely forgotten about Spirit. I didn't realize they were flying MSP-ORD as well as LAS. You're right; MSP-ORD has always been a rout
66 Post contains images wnflyguy : Well the 19th has come and gone. A lot of rumors didn't play out. The only rumblings/rumors now i'm hearing is no growth until March and April. The 73
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