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Spirit Announces 6 New DFW Routes  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25404 posts, RR: 49
Posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10484 times:

In addition to the new DFW-SJD which I posted prior, Spirit Airlines will add 5 additional markets from Dallas/Ft. Worth.

Ft. Myers - Effective Nov 8 - 3x weekly
New Orleans - Effective Jan 24 - daily, goes 2x daily in June
Minneapolis - Effective Apr 26 - 4x weekly
Philadelphia - Effective Apr 26 - 4x weekly, goes daily in June
Latrobe - Effective Jun 14 - 3x weekly

This will take them to over 20 destinations from DFW !


Story:
http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/ne...t-announces-6-new-planned-dfw.html

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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10468 times:

Haha.. you beat me by 2 minutes.....

PHL kind of a blow to ACY I think, but seem to be going after AA business routes on some of these



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2304 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10363 times:

wow that is quite amazing of all the destinations they will swrve via DFW. at one point will need more room?

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

I'll give them six months before half these routes are axed.

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
I'll give them six months before half these routes are axed.

Yep

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 2):
wow that is quite amazing of all the destinations they will swrve via DFW. at one point will need more room?

Probably no time in the foreseeable future. Most of their flights are not frequent enough to see more than 1 or 2 NK planes on the ground at the gate at DFW.



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 976 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
seem to be going after AA business routes on some of these

3 or 4 weekly flights isn't going after business routes.



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User currently offlineeagle125 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 2):
at one point will need more room?

If NK ever decides to increase the frequency on any of these, or current, routes, there's always the Terminal E satellite. But they have been overlapping with DL and F9 gates @ E during peak hours (11:00PM CST!), eliminating that need...But I don't expect NK to keep all of these routes in the long run.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Minneapolis - Effective Apr 26 - 4x weekly

MSP (and possibly CUN) could be a big blow for SY in DFW



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9856 times:

Quoting eagle125 (Reply 6):
MSP (and possibly CUN) could be a big blow for SY in DFW

It's unfortunate that with the entry of NK into the MSP market, the much-loved but tiny SY has more to lose than anyone else.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
but seem to be going after AA business routes on some of these
Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 2):
wow that is quite amazing of all the destinations they will swrve via DFW. at one point will need more room?

It doesn't matter how large the portfolio of destinations is from DFW - the fact remains that NK is flying to most of these only once a day. There will be no immediate need to expand.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6179 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9469 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
It's unfortunate that with the entry of NK into the MSP market, the much-loved but tiny SY has more to lose than anyone else.

And one has to wonder if SY shouldn't have been more aggressive at DFW.



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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9459 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
This will take them to over 20 destinations from DFW !

26 according to NK's press release.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 8):
It doesn't matter how large the portfolio of destinations is from DFW - the fact remains that NK is flying to most of these only once a day. There will be no immediate need to expand.

Interesting approach, they can pick off those looking for the lowest fares on some of these cities who would otherwise have to take AA in many cases. It seems to be working well for them too, LFs around 90%. NK seems to have done well with the departure of FL.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6179 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

Looking at the glass half full, I am sure AA would much rather see a NK set up shop at DFW than say someone like B6 or a VA That can really steal the higher yield pax.

There is so much (perceived) product differentiation between AA and NK that most of AA's loyal FF base will never go over to NK.

NK is more likely pulling people off of WN at DAL or the bus.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Ft. Myers - Effective Nov 8 - 3x weekly
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Minneapolis - Effective Apr 26 - 4x weekly

Unless it is because of fleet shortage, I'm sure that these markets could support at least a daily rotation.


User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
Unless it is because of fleet shortage, I'm sure that these markets could support at least a daily rotation.

I would have to think so as well.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 9):
And one has to wonder if SY shouldn't have been more aggressive at DFW.

Good point. I'm surprised Volaris hasn't come in yet to pick up some of the Mexicana DFW-MEX flights.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 9):
And one has to wonder if SY shouldn't have been more aggressive at DFW.

I don't think SY has the financial wherewithal to do anything other than token route adds. They got two new planes this year and it was a *big* deal, now they have what, 14 total planes?


User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9040 times:
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Quoting eagle 125.

If NK ever decides to increase the frequency on any of these, or current, routes, there's always the Terminal E satellite. But they have been overlapping with DL and F9 gates @ E during peak hours (11:00PM CST!), eliminating that need...But I don't expect NK to keep all of these routes in the long run.

The Terminal E satellite is being prepared for reopening while they remodel sections of Terminal E.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11639 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 1):
seem to be going after AA business routes on some of these

Doubtful. Some of these routes themselves may well have lots of business travel, but Spirit isn't catering to it and won't get it - at least not all but a tiny portion of it. Spirit caters to the absolutely most cost-conscious, price-sensitive, demand-elastic travel market, not business travelers who demand global access, upgrades and schedule flexibility.

Quoting eagle125 (Reply 6):
MSP (and possibly CUN) could be a big blow for SY in DFW

  

Would be sad to see them go - I enjoy seeing their 738s at D.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
It's unfortunate that with the entry of NK into the MSP market, the much-loved but tiny SY has more to lose than anyone else.

Now that you mention it, MSP as a market looks a lot like DFW - high fares, and a dominant hub carrier. I suspect Spirit could do at MSP what it has done at DFW.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
Looking at the glass half full, I am sure AA would much rather see a NK set up shop at DFW than say someone like B6 or a VA That can really steal the higher yield pax.

There is so much (perceived) product differentiation between AA and NK that most of AA's loyal FF base will never go over to NK.

Oh absolutely. Again - Spirit is going after such a vastly different market than AA that the two virtually don't overlap, and thus this is likely having little to no effect on AA. If anything, Spirit is pulling away from AA - in addition to stimulating new ultra-price-conscious demand - the most price-conscious of AA's customers. Given that AA is in bankruptcy and wants to shed more capacity anyway, this is likely traffic AA was already in the process of dumping anyway.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
NK is more likely pulling people off of WN at DAL or the bus.

Yep. If anybody should be unhappy about this, it's Southwest. I doubt Spirit is taking all too many Southwest customers, but I do think that Spirit is doing some of the market-stimulation that Southwest likely was hoping to do post-Wright in 2014. If anything, Spirit's customer set overlaps far more with Southwest's than AA's.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2304 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8634 times:

curious I see there are some naysayers about how long some of these routes will last....has NK dropped any of its routes announced at DFW so far?

User currently offlinecoffeepilot From United States of America, joined May 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

MSY-DFW should do really well. Market has 550+ Pdews before any stimulation. For $40 bucks I'd come out the wood work to fly it and just about any other route NK adds from MSY.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8496 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
I'll give them six months before half these routes are axed.
Quoting usflyguy (Reply 5):
3 or 4 weekly flights isn't going after business routes.

Some will go, but I think NK is in a rush to add as much as possible before AA emerges. If US wins out, they will lower the boom on NK. It'll be interesting to see the US response on PHL.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 10):
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
This will take them to over 20 destinations from DFW !

26 according to NK's press release.

I suspect some are seasonal.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 17):
curious I see there are some naysayers about how long some of these routes will last....has NK dropped any of its routes announced at DFW so far?

Nope, don't think so. OTOH, ORD has seen several short-lived flights.

I'm wondering if they are just going to shutdown FLL at some point. LOL. It seems like it is far from a priority.


User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Did DFW-BOS not get the axe? I know it goes to daytime hours in sept but I thought it ended soon after.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
but I do think that Spirit is doing some of the market-stimulation that Southwest likely was hoping to do post-Wright in 2014

They're getting ahead of WN left and right, and their costs and fares can't be touched by WN. Tough break.

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
. If US wins out, they will lower the boom on NK. It'll be interesting to see the US response on PHL.

Lots of ex-US at NK too

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
I'm wondering if they are just going to shutdown FLL at some point

It's interesting to see the former business plan just waste away slowly while they add DFWLBE instead of anything at FLL

[Edited 2012-07-16 18:34:34]


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User currently offlineeagle125 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8383 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
Unless it is because of fleet shortage, I'm sure that these markets could support at least a daily rotation.

Given the rate they are adding destinations to DFW, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. PHL and MSP upgrade to daily next June.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 17):
has NK dropped any of its routes announced at DFW so far?
Quoting beechtobus (Reply 20):
Did DFW-BOS not get the axe? I know it goes to daytime hours in sept but I thought it ended soon after.
BOS does end November 7th for the winter season until April 24th. The way NK's system is set up, meaning low frequencies and small fleet, there is a very fine line between hit and miss.

[Edited 2012-07-16 19:04:57]


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8335 times:

Quoting eagle125 (Reply 22):

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
Unless it is because of fleet shortage, I'm sure that these markets could support at least a daily rotation.

Given the rate they are adding destinations to DFW, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. PHL and MSP upgrade to daily next June.

Their website is selling PHL daily starting next June.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
It's interesting to see the former business plan just waste away slowly while they add DFWLBE instead of anything at FLL

Interesting indeed, but I don't think there is a ton of low hanging fruit left from FLL. I bet pilots are loving the 100ft. wide runway up at LBE.


User currently offlineflyboynk From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
I'm wondering if they are just going to shutdown FLL at some point

It's interesting to see the former business plan just waste away slowly while they add DFWLBE instead of anything at FLL

Nothing to do with bad or low yields at FLL... but it has everything to do with the limits imposed due to construction of the 9R 27L runway and airport modifications including the New Int'l terminal that will be built over the next few years...

NK will lose two gates in Terminal 4 (H gates) and get two in terminal 3 (F Gates) during construction , growth at FLL for NK will be severely restricted for about the next 4 yrs... then they will expand when the runway is completed and new terminal... Add the new A320 NEO that start deliveries in 2016 with more range than today's A320's then more south expansion will/should occur



Flyboynk
25 MaverickM11 : They've been down in capacity for years...this isn't a new construction related pulldown.
26 A318 : Latrobe effective June 14th? Isn't that a bit far into the future? Or am I reading something incorrectly? Also, how do the pairings work? Isn't FLL t
27 flyboynk : Actually that is incorrect, if the capacity came down it was when they returned 7 A319's a few years back when fuel was reaching the $150 a barrel ar
28 flyboynk : The LBE airport authorities came out last week and publicly stated that they have been talk to NK officials about adding more destinations/flights fr
29 RWA380 : They have been adding routes to and from DFW for a while, I wonder why they are announcing routes so far in advance? Take a look at the spirit air ro
30 MaverickM11 : FLL departures are down a third since their peak in Summer 2008. That is way more than many other carriers at FLL; B6 has practically doubled in the
31 flyboynk : Why do you think the grow right now is outside of FLL ? Why the appetite elsewhere? Because they can't grow anymore at FLL in recent yrs (2010/2011/2
32 santi319 : Comparing now to 2008, is not fair, if you were there back then you would understand what a complete and utter disaster that was. FLL T4 simply canno
33 flyboynk : If you look at Spirit's route map and the 50 largest metropolitan areas just in the US that NK does not serve yet based on largest urban areas: Seattl
34 Post contains links LoneStarMike : The Dallas Morning News mentioned that today. Spirit Airlines to reach 26 cities from Dallas/Fort Worth by next summer July 16, 2012 As far as FLL go
35 Post contains images OB1504 : This is especially interesting considering that NK bills ACY as Atlantic City, NJ / Philadelphia,PA area. This includes destinations accessible via o
36 Post contains images point2point : I would guess that this would make sense in that NK is the airline that has a reputation of not being able to attract repeat flyers so...... it seems
37 altod : The fact that spirit is coming to SJD is CRAZYYY I have paltinum status with AA and will not switch over but this will definitely bring lower fares on
38 Post contains links OzarkD9S : I was going to say the same thing. There is a finite pool of people willing to work with NK's business model repeatedly. Brett Snyder, aka The Cranky
39 nkops : I noticed yesterday when they added PHL in their city list , they dropped the Philadelphia Area off the ACY listing..
40 YNGguins : I would imagine a CAK or YNG would be going after a Spirit for that huge Northeast Ohio market.
41 LAXintl : And if they do who cares. Spirit says they already have a list of 300 plus routes they have identified and are ready to operate. Under their business
42 MaverickM11 : Other carriers have grown, so while I am sure the terminal constraints are slowing growth, NK has literally handed plenty of growth at FLL over to ot
43 PHLBOS : PHL-DFW may be more likely in anticipation of both AA's & US' PHL-DFW routes consolidating (reduction) should a merger between AA & US indeed
44 ROSWELL41 : According to the Spirit website, MSP-FLL, MSP-RSW, RSW-BOS, ORD-TPA and ORD-AZA will all be flown seasonally this winter.
45 santi319 : MSP-FLL?? DEN-FLL??? Most of FLL flying to be done with 320s?? But I thought NK was closing down their FLL operation????? Lol..
46 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I thought they couldn't add anything because of the construction . I don't think anyone said NK is shutting FLL down, but rather that the FLL interna
47 ROSWELL41 : How will SY respond to all of this expansion into MSP? NK will be flying MSP-ORD, DFW, LAS, FLL and RSW.
48 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Shut down for six months again?
49 Post contains images OB1504 : People love to state this as fact, but the truth remains that people will continue to come back as long as Spirit's a penny cheaper. The average leis
50 Post contains images MaverickM11 : It's certainly not slowing NK's expansion plans Ergo in FLL they make comparatively less revenue. Airlines grow where it's profitable. Only on a.net
51 Post contains links Flytravel : I think so too, that is pre-emptive against WN. I would have been happier hearing it was VX announcing a PHL-DFW route. Anyways I think it is silly s
52 nkops : I dont believe any subsidies are involved, but the casinos do book groups on these flights... especially the non-Florida flights. I would love to see
53 LAXintl : PHL-DFW is not a tiny market. It produced 1,088 daily passenger already today with a pretty high $215 one-way average fare. Yes the NK model specific
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