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Iberia MAD-BCN Flight Numbers  
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Why does IB utilise two flight numbers for some of their daily MAD-BCN and BCN-MAD shuttles? Here are some examples today on the MAD-BCN route:

IB646
IB2712
Departing MAD 06:45, arriving BCN 07:55

IB736
IB6752
Departing MAD 07:35, arriving BCN 08:50

IB800
IB2788
Departing MAD 08:00, arriving BCN 09:15

IB826
IB6756
Departing MAD 08:25, arriving BCN 09:40

It looks like they are operating a codeshare with themselves   Thanks in advance for any information.


Shannon-Chicago
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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Iberia operated by Iberia Express?


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User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Something which is even stranger is some flights from BCN to MAD will carry the same flight number as MAD-HAV for example. This means if you book to fly BCN-HAV it is sold as a single flight number but a change of aircraft is required in MAD. The flight BCN-HAV shows as an A320. IB flights which are 4 numbers beginning with 6 are long haul routes so you may find like an example you given 07:35 IB736 and IB6752, the second flight number also belongs to a long haul route from MAD. Never understood why they done it this way, I find that a bit misleading.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting european742 (Reply 2):
Something which is even stranger is some flights from BCN to MAD will carry the same flight number as MAD-HAV for example. This means if you book to fly BCN-HAV it is sold as a single flight number but a change of aircraft is required in MAD.

That's ot strange. Lots of airlines do that. Take DL for example,

DAL82 LAX-JFK on a 752 and JFK-NCE on a 764

DAL30 SFO-JFK on a 752 and JFK-SVO on a 764.

It's very common to see this done. It conserves flight numbers.


User currently offlineredhair From Spain, joined Apr 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Hi there,

Easy   the IB0646 is the Puente Aéreo number (Shuttle service between BCN and MAD and v.v) the rest of the flight numbers correspond to long haul flights (however not sure about the IB2XXX series).

For sure these flights are not operated by IB Express; as IB said, they would keep their own brand on most representative routes and that's one of them, but for sure one day it will be over taken.


The reason why they use different flight numbers for same flight (I've seen sometimes three or four flight numbers for the same flight) is just about marketing. People flying the Puente Aéreo (business mainly) dont care about anything else than, lets say, their own business, so to keep it simple, the flight number is normally the departing hour or the departing hour plus 1. For the long haul numbers, people flying further away from MAD they will have to look for the same flight number in both airports so they dont have to worry about thinking twice (whats my first flight... Then my second?? Etc)

For sure there are more reason but these are the more obvious ones.

G'day!


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting redhair (Reply 4):

Ah, thanks for that. Although I looked up the IB6*** flights and it only lists MAD-BCN and not a longhaul tag on? But I get it now, thanks!



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

It's easy.

Some years ago, when there was not a high speed train between Madrid and Barcelona which links both cities centers in 2h30, IB had around 45 flights each way during weekdays, divided in two groups:

* Puente Aéreo: Shuttle MAD-BCN-MAD flights (example: IB1245, departing at 1245), reserved for passengers with a shuttle ticket. Shuttle tickets are valid for 365 days and you are allowed to board into the first shuttle flight with available seats when arriving at the airport, any day at any time. Before the HSR, there were 32 flights each way during weekdays.

* Normal scheduled MAD-BCN-MAD flights: cheaper, bookable, etc. Around 12-13 flights each way. They carried a IB2xxx flight number or a IB6xxx, the last one used for connections to intercontinental flights from MAD.

Since the AVE trains are in service, they have reached a 50% market share, so, in order to maximize LFs, IB sells all their flights between MAD and BCN as Shuttle flights and as normal scheduled and bookable flights (there are not, anymore, exclusive shuttle flights). This means that, a single flight can carry: 1) a shuttle flight number, 2) a scheduled flight number, 3) and the flight number of all the intercontinental flights which are connected to this flight from MAD.

Just as an example of why things are like this right now, this is how a normal wednesday scheduled looked back in 2000 between Barcelona and Madrid:

#0535, #0655, 0700, 0715, 0730, 0745, 0800, 0815, 0830, 0900, *0930, #0955, 1000, #1020, 1100, *1200, 1300, 1400, #1440, 1500, 1515, 1530, #1540, 1600, *1630, #1635, 1700, 1730, #1755, 1800, 1830, #1855, 1900, 1915, 1930, 2000, 2030, #2035, 2100, *2130, #2135, #2140, 2200, *2215, 2245

No mark = Shuttle flight; # = Scheduled flight; * = Combined scheduled annd shuttle flight.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):

Thank you very much!



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