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~~ July 17 TWA Flight 800 Remembrance ~~  
User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8039 times:

Many of you will recall that July 17 is an important date in aviation history. 16 summers ago, a 747 climbed out of New York City heading to Paris. Minutes later, the 747 stopped flying and fell out of the sky. All passengers and crew members on the 747 perished under water. The tragedy touched the world for hours, days, weeks, and years.

The loss of TWA Flight 800 on July 17, 1996 was shocking, confusing, and depressing. July 17 is the day we should look back and think of TWA Flight 800 for a minute or two.


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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

A sad day for all involved, and even as someone who wasn't directly connected to the accident, it touched me and made quite an impression on my then-15 year old mind. May everyone onboard rest in peace.


ETOPS = Engine Turns Off, Passengers Swim
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

Always remember it as it's the day after my birthday, and day before my partners, RIP TW 800......


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User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Never will forget that day. RIP TW 800.


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7608 times:

Living on Long Island, I've had the privilege of visiting the TWA 800 Memorial at Smith Point Park and attending the memorial service on a few occasions. I didn't know anyone on the flight, but my father spent 40 years at TWA, and I grew up around the place. Although he had retired by the time time Flight 800 went down, TWA was still family, and we mourned along with those involved.

I'd like to share some photos of the memorial at the park, as well as from the service.

http://www.moose135photography.com/Long-Island/TWA-Flight-800-Memorial/JM20060916TWA011/134673719_RBzND-L-2.jpg

http://www.moose135photography.com/Long-Island/TWA-Flight-800-Memorial/JM20060916TWA002/134673180_DykEj-L-2.jpg

http://www.moose135photography.com/Long-Island/TWA-Flight-800-Memorial/JM20100717TWA800003/938610583_vpfcz-L.jpg

http://www.moose135photography.com/Long-Island/TWA-Flight-800-Memorial/JM20100717TWA800009/938611152_rW8ug-L.jpg

http://www.moose135photography.com/Long-Island/TWA-Flight-800-Memorial/JM20100717TWA800016/938612079_74PRW-L.jpg

More photos:
http://www.moose135photography.com/L...Flight-800-Memorial/2559898_dwjcBJ



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User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

God I remember that night like yesterday. I will always have the image of the burned TWA coffee cups floating on the ocean surface in my head. The crash was such a blow to the morale and finances to TWA.

It's interesting to see how much has changed since that night. Gate 27 at Terminal 5, where TWA 800 left from, is now the jetBlue checkin area. jetBlue hadn't even been thought of that night. The Ramada where the families stayed is closed. The TWA hanger where the crew checked in that night has been torn down.

Please pause and remember the crew of TWA 800:
Captain Steven Snyder
Captain Ralph Kevorkian
Flight Engineer Richard Campbell
Flight Engineer Oliver Krick
Flight Service Manager Jacques Charbonnier
Flight Attendant Daniel Callas
Flight Attendant Constance Charbonnier
Flight Attendant Janet Christopher
Flight Attendant Debra Collins DiLuccio
Flight Attendant Arlene Johnsen
Flight Attendant Raymond Lang
Flight Attendant Maureen Lockhart
Flight Attendant Sandra Meade
Flight Attendant Grace Melotin
Flight Attendant Marit Rhoads
Flight Attendant Michael Schuldt
Flight Attendant Melinda Torche
Flight Attendant Jill Ziemkiewicz

Along with 35 other TWA employees including the deadheading crew of TW840 to FCO.


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

Does Montoursville High School (Montoursville, PA) have its own memorial for those students (the French club) killed on TWA 800?

SmithAir747



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User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 6):
Does Montoursville High School (Montoursville, PA) have its own memorial for those students (the French club) killed on TWA 800?

Yes they do, I believe it was erected shortly after the crash. I have seen pictures of it. It's a pillar somewhere outside in Montoursville.


User currently onlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2327 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

I didn't loose a loved one in that accident, however I do have a personal connection with this disaster, believe it or not the crash of TW 800 sparked my interest in aviation. I am always skeptical of mentioning this when one asks me how I got interested in aviation, but its the truth. I have lived in Long Island all my life, and remember that night like it was yesterday. I was 7 years old at the time and I remember walking into my apartment with my mother that night with the TV on, all you saw was the black ocean and the red fire that was all over the place followed by the announcement that TWA 800 had indeed gone down. Two days later in the direction where the plane had gone down there was a Rainbow visible and I remember my mother telling me that it was a sign from god that everyone on board the plane was with god, to this day that image still brings a tear to my eye. I still remember the various pictures and images on the TV, and newspapers of the Boeing 747 helped spark my interest in aviation.

I would like to ask a question for anyone else on this board who reads this, has a crash ever sparked your interest in aviation?

RIP to the 230 PAX, Crew and N93119.



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
I would like to ask a question for anyone else on this board who reads this, has a crash ever sparked your interest in aviation?

Of all things, September 11th.

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 5):
Please pause and remember the crew of TWA 800:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 4):
I'd like to share some photos of the memorial at the park, as well as from the service.

I'm too young to remember TWA 800, however those pictures are lovely. My condolences to all affected.



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

At the risk of going off-topic...

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
I would like to ask a question for anyone else on this board who reads this, has a crash ever sparked your interest in aviation?

It didn't spark my interest (I had a budding interest even before this), but for some reason, the UA 232 crash did quite a bit to fuel my interest in aviation, particularly after seeing the film "A Thousand Heroes" (which is a great movie IMHO; I would recommend it to anyone with any interest in aviation). In retrospect, this may not be fully fair to Captain Fitch or to the rest of the flight crew, who all did an amazing job, but I came to idolize Captain Haynes

After that, I found myself studying aviation accidents...I think one motivation was morbid curiosity, but as someone who wanted to be a commercial pilot, I also looked at it as trying to learn from the mistakes made by others. OTOH, this also instilled a "safety at any cost" mentality including a strong belief in redundancies, which has me fuming at the whole concept of ETOPS, among other things. But, that's a debate for a different thread  

With this background, and having developed a love for TWA after Pan Am died (my dream as a tween/teenager was to be a TWA 747 captain), in spite of not having a direct connection to TW 800 or to anyone onboard, the tragedy struck me very deeply...and I followed the investigation as closely as I could (given that I was 15 and this was before the Internet was wide-spread; most of the websites discussing the crash at the time were run by conspiracy theorists). In any event, it was a terrible tragedy.



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

I think what struck me about TWA 800 was that it undermined my feeling of safety in the skies. There have been plenty of horrible aviation tragedies before and after Flight 800, but for some reason this one felt like 'it could have been any of us.' Prior to that night, I would have had no problems getting on a TWA Boeing 747, and I would have looked forward to the Paris-bound flight much like the high school students from Montoursville Pa. probably did. Most of those kids were about 16-17 years old...sadly they have been gone about as long as they were alive. TWA was enjoying something of a small renaissance prior to this accident, with a new logo and livery (not rolled out to the accident airplane), and a new attitutde among its many crewmembers. Things were finally looking up for the airline; the crash took all of the wind out of their sails and within 5 years of this accident, TWA was basically gone.

The accident investigation had it all, from claims of terrorism (my initial thought), to conspiracy and cover-up, to just a humble accident probably caused by a sparking 27-year old wire. While I accept the official investigation, many chose to believe this was something far more sinister reaching to the highest levels of the US government. Who knows - but let's not turn this memorial thread into a conspiracy page as today should be about remembering those taken from us and the families forever affected by this tragic flight.
God Bless all that were lost that hot, humid New York night....



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User currently offlineRyanAirB737 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

I never let a year pass without paying some sort of remembrance on July 17.

My grandfather (I never met him) was a flight captain / pilot for TWA waaaay back when it had another name (Transcontinental and Western?) He gave my mom a carrying bag that was either from TWA or from Pan Am.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 1):
A sad day for all involved, and even as someone who wasn't directly connected to the accident, it touched me and made quite an impression on my then-15 year old mind. May everyone onboard rest in peace.

I was 13 when TWA flight 800 happened. It is amazing how impressionable that age is I guess. It stuck with me. I was 5 when Pan Am 103 happened, and even at 5 years old I understand that the plane "exploded", but that didn't stick with me as much as TWA 800.

Quoting ghifty (Reply 9):
I would like to ask a question for anyone else on this board who reads this, has a crash ever sparked your interest in aviation?

Yes. This one did. I had a very irrational fear of flying when I was a teenager to the point that I should have seen someone, and this crash was my vice so to speak. I did not know the specifics of what happened at the time, but I knew that there was a lot of controversy about it between 1996 and 2000 when the final report came out. My parents and I went to Europe in October 1999 and I think I researched every possible aircraft, aircraft part, and accident including every inch of "public" information or misinformation about TWA flight 800. We flew on TWA flight 900 (yes, the number freaked me out) and that was my first and only experience with TWA and the Eero Saarinen terminal at JFK. At the time, the space age terminal kind of freaked me out... it made it look as if flying was something superhuman. I also remember certain dark and dingey places throughout the terminal that made me feel like I was in a time machine (check-in, the duty free shop by baggage claim, FIS and international baggage claim, boarding areas). It was a very weird experience, but now understanding the history, I think fondly of T5.

The flights (840, 900, 843 and I don't remember the evening flight JFK-LAX) were the smoothest I had ever been on. Since then, I have been very interested in aviation and since I have aged, have lost the irrational fear. I've learned a ton about aircraft and even aerodynamics, and I have amassed great respect for the field and flight crew. You still won't catch me flying in my own aircraft though.  

It is a shame that we lost TWA, just like Pan Am, and it is even more saddening how many lost their lives on TWA flight 800. Rest in peace.


User currently offlineeagle125 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
I would like to ask a question for anyone else on this board who reads this, has a crash ever sparked your interest in aviation?
AF 447, AF 4590, and AA 587 are the ones I remember the most vividly and are the first to come to mind. I was also too young to recall TW 800. Every accident/incident has its own uniqueness to it, which has helped spurred my interest in the industry. In addition, I consider myself blessed to have never had a fear of flying, even after living through 9/11 at a young age.

May the victims of TW 800 forever live in peace.

[Edited 2012-07-17 11:58:18]


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User currently offlineA318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6630 times:

I still remember seeing the minnie mouse stuffed animal floating around in the water.... Gives me chills just thinking about it.


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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6803 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6570 times:

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 5):
God I remember that night like yesterday. I will always have the image of the burned TWA coffee cups floating on the ocean surface in my head. The crash was such a blow to the morale and finances to TWA.

It's interesting to see how much has changed since that night. Gate 27 at Terminal 5, where TWA 800 left from, is now the jetBlue checkin area. jetBlue hadn't even been thought of that night. The Ramada where the families stayed is closed. The TWA hanger where the crew checked in that night has been torn down.

Please pause and remember the crew of TWA 800:
Captain Steven Snyder
Captain Ralph Kevorkian
Flight Engineer Richard Campbell
Flight Engineer Oliver Krick
Flight Service Manager Jacques Charbonnier
Flight Attendant Daniel Callas
Flight Attendant Constance Charbonnier
Flight Attendant Janet Christopher
Flight Attendant Debra Collins DiLuccio
Flight Attendant Arlene Johnsen
Flight Attendant Raymond Lang
Flight Attendant Maureen Lockhart
Flight Attendant Sandra Meade
Flight Attendant Grace Melotin
Flight Attendant Marit Rhoads
Flight Attendant Michael Schuldt
Flight Attendant Melinda Torche
Flight Attendant Jill Ziemkiewicz

Along with 35 other TWA employees including the deadheading crew of TW840 to FCO.

Great post---thank you for naming the crew victims and for remembering them.

Quoting richierich (Reply 11):
but let's not turn this memorial thread into a conspiracy page

No one mentioned it until you did, actually. But I agree.


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6517 times:




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User currently offlineSANflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6458 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
I would like to ask a question for anyone else on this board who reads this, has a crash ever sparked your interest in aviation?

For me, it was 9/11. I was an architect at the Pentagon before/during/and after the attack. HATED to fly before that day. I would have crash nightmares every night before a flight. I'll never forget a passenger next to me saying after we had landed "I was never afraid to fly until I sat next to you." I hadn't spoken one word to her during the flight...it was my behavior...sweating, nervous, checking my watch every two seconds, etc.
After 9/11, my fear of flying evaporated and I have become a bit obsessed about the Aviation industry. In fact, I applied for a job at UA this morning.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6443 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 15):
No one mentioned [the conspiracy] until you did, actually. But I agree.

I think it's pretty much a dead issue tbh. 9/11 gets more mysterious as time goes by (Tower 7, no footage or wreckage at the Pentagon, no air force intercepts, etc etc) but TWA 800 much less so - the tell-tale signature of an internal explosion, the similar incidents elsewhere (TG and CI 737s, the latter of which is a YouTube staple), the CVR showing the final moments in the cockpit were absorbed by an electrical / indication fault. In the aftermath of the accident, little was known, but one would have to be in wilful denial of the facts to accomodate a missile strike.

Then again - in a mainstream British documentary (BBC or ITV), they interviewed a couple who were celebrating an anniversary (or similar) nr NYC (I think it was on Long Island), and asked a bystander to take their photo. When they got the prints back from the lab, in one corner is a spark of light; when enlarged, it is unmistakably a missile with a trail of fire and a long plume of smoke. The documentary actually supported the verdict of the official report, as do I, but does anyone else know about that photo, and if anything more is known about the provenance of the missile (or whatever it is)?

RIP TWA 800



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User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6407 times:
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My sad memories of TWA 800

When I was dating the gal who later became my wife, her condo was 2 units away, about 75 feet from Capt. Steve Snyder’s condo in Connecticut. While she never really got to talk to him other than say hello, she did see him on a number of occasions in passing, sometimes when he was in uniform.

She knew from talking to other neighbors that he was a pilot for TWA and told me she would have liked to get him and I together so we could talk about airplanes. She had already moved in with me when the accident occurred and she was in total shock to hear that her former neighbor Capt. Steve Snyder had died that day.

Ironically yesterday we went back to the development where she used to live to visit one of her former neighbors and we decided to drive past her old unit, and as we passed Capt. Snyder’s former unit we remarked how many years have past since Capt. Snyder died on TWA 800. I often wonder if the present owners know who had previously owned their unit.

I personally knew a passenger on TWA 800, he was a corporate pilot whose flight department office was next door to ours in the hanger at HPN and since I was good friends with their chief of maintenance, we had worked together as mechanics at a previous job, I used to spend time hanging out in their office so I knew all of their pilots. He left this position and took a job with Dassault who makes the Falcon Jet line of biz jets as a company demo pilot and one of their job functions was to fly commercially to the factory in France and bring back to the US a Falcon Jet.

Almost all Falcon Jets, although they are built in France are painted and have their interiors and avionics installed in Little Rock, AR before they are delivered to their customers throughout the world. That fateful day he was on TWA 800 on his way to France to pick up a Falcon Jet to ferry back to the US.

RIP TWA 800

JetStar


User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6340 times:

Thank you, September11, for bringing this up. As a teenager on Long Island when this happened, this was an event that rocked our area, and motivated me to someday become part of the airline undustry so I could do my part to ensure a safe operation every day. It's hard to believe that here I sit, 16 years later, in a Technical Operations Hangar doing just that...being part of a crew that ensures safe aircraft operations.

RIP to the 230 souls on board that were lost. I really do hope to make it out to the memorial one day to pay my respects.



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6319 times:
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This accident is, partly, what sparked my fear of flying, of all things. I was on N93119 doing ATH-JFK (TWA881) on the afternoon of July 17, 1996, and she turned around the went down going back to Europe.

Two years later, I did ZRH-JFK on HB-IWF, and she went down going back to GVA just a few hours later as SWR111.

I always remember these crashes on their anniversaries, and I've read so much information on them it's probably responsible for how much of my academic training I've forgotten!

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User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

I remember the evening of July 17, 1996, very well. I lived in Arlington, VA, at the time - not far from DCA. The memories of seeing the fires on the surface of the ocean will always be with me.

The aviation world has certainly changed since that evening.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 18):
when enlarged, it is unmistakably a missile with a trail of fire and a long plume of smoke.

"Unmistakably" is a bit strong. It's a piece of burning structure (the fuel tank was torn open during the inflight breakup), not a missile.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 18):
does anyone else know about that photo, and if anything more is known about the provenance of the missile

The photo, and related witness reports, are fairly well known. I don't think anyone disputes a trail of fire in the sky; the argument is about what caused it. Given that TWA800 broke up in the air with a large fuel load onboard, I know where I place my bets.

Tom.


User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
Always remember it as it's the day after my birthday

Same here. I remember getting in the car after spending the day at Great America in Gurnee, IL and hearing the event covered on the radio. I will never forget getting home and seeing the footage of burning aircraft remains on the news. I had a cousin who owned a beach house that would tell us about finding parts of the wreckage washed up along the shore.

Me and my family would fly into ISP every summer, but my parents chose to drive to Long Island from Chicago for a few years afterwards because to the rumors that TWA 800 was shot down.

RIP to all aboard TWA flight 800


25 richierich : Holy cow- that's creepy! Just curious, did the FBI interview you about Flight 800? Being on the previous flight and not knowing what caused the explo
26 SmittyOne : Did I read this right? You were on both of these doomed airliners THE FLIGHT BEFORE each disaster?! If so, I'm thinking a fear of flying might be hea
27 loalq : Sadly and coincidentally, July 17 also marks the date when TAM flight 3054 overran runway 35L while landing at Congonhas Airport in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
28 flymia : I finished a long report about TWA-800 for a class in Law School. The class is analysis of evidence and we had to make a wigmoring chart. With the so
29 Post contains links ltbewr : The generally believed cause of the mid-air explosion of TWA 800 was fumes in a lightly fueled center fuel tank and it's volatile fumes set off by dam
30 Post contains images soon7x7 : Francis S. Gabreski airport is about 6-7 miles north of the TWA800 impact zone. I had been flying gliders at Gabreski every weekend for 21 years and k
31 thegoldenargosy : That was Oliver Krick. He was on his IOE. Richard Campbell a retired captain was giving him his checkride. Jill had been with TWA since May of 1996.
32 ANITIX87 : I was 9 years old in 1996, and 11 years old in 1998, so I certainly didn't get contacted. I don't believe my parents did, but I never thought to ask
33 tdscanuck : Nothing well ever shut down the crazy theories. It's a property of conspiracy theories that any contrary evidence is subsumed into the theory as "pro
34 soon7x7 : Tom, do you really believe the carcass of a greatly debilitated 747/100 had the ability to climb an additional 3,000-4,000ft?...(CIA) While this airf
35 tdscanuck : Yep. A 747 in flight has a *lot* of kinetic energy. No. Grounding a fleet is incredibly rare and you don't do it unless/until you *have* convincing f
36 soon7x7 : It is aerodynamically impossible in this case...consider 1549 that ingested geese and shut down both power plants. N601US was an airframe that remain
37 max550 : Sadly yes, I remember watching the coverage of ValuJet 592, which initially sparked my interest in aviation and the whole process of investigating pl
38 tdscanuck : He absolutely could have increased altitude by trading kinetic energy for gravitational potential energy (i.e. climbing and slowing). He didn't becau
39 soon7x7 : While I'll still hold fast against it having the ability to climb 3k as the CIA depict the ascent, I would agree that immediate cg movement radically
40 SaabFA71 : The crash of TWA Flight 800 is forever singed into my mind. I was a flight attendant for Business Express (Delta Connection) and based at JFK at the t
41 flyguy89 : What type of equipment was TW800 usually operated with in the 90's? I have a couple TWA schedules from around that time and I never see the 747 listed
42 thegoldenargosy : The fact that there were only 230 on board has always seemed odd to be me. Especially since the FCO flight had taken a mechanical and the crew FCO cr
43 TWA772LR : TWA 800 even has left a legacy on the town I live in near Houston. The jail here is named after Pam Lynchner, one of the passengers. May her and every
44 sevenheavy : I'm no expert technically, but bear in mind that TW800 was going significantly faster than US1549. The bird strike occurred soon after take off and a
45 PC12Fan : And, the flight crew was still in control. With all due respect guys, we are wandering from the initial point of this post. Theories and debates shou
46 abrown532 : Of all the air crashes I have heard of over the years the one that always sticks in my mind is TWA800, the way the aircraft broke up, climbed, then br
47 soon7x7 : And this is a site relevant to the machines that offer carriage of people, in safety and sometimes not. No one here will dispute the human tragedy. M
48 RWA380 : I was under the impression that the depressurization of the aircraft when the front detached, was force enough to have rendered everyone in the aircr
49 soon7x7 : 13,800ft agl is still breathable although very difficult given so many aspects of the event. ME evidence though did point out that some were alive at
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