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TSA Agents To Work In British Airports - Olympics  
User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

I haven't seen this posted anywhere on here (and did a search) but I came across this article and I'm shocked, as if the Heathrow security agents weren't bad enough, we've got the TSA here as well. My question is, will they be conducting security checks instead of the regular agents and if there's going to be a "terrorist attack" then surely that'll be on flights coming in and not with the people getting out of the country? I hope to god they're not at LHR or MAN next week when I go on holiday!

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-staff-uk-airports-during-olympics

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User currently offlineFaddypainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7350 times:

What powers do TSA agents have outside of US jurisdiction? Zero I should think so what they'll actually be doing I don't have a clue?

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 1):
What powers do TSA agents have outside of US jurisdiction? Zero I should think

Do they have any in the USA? They just act like they do. :p

I guess they can make a stranger strip naked. You used to have to be a hypnotist to do that.


User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

This is going to be one fun thread!


"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

Oh wow this is going to be fun. Mind you I haven't seen it reported over here although the article states otherwise, but perhaps it's in the same vane that the FBI/CIA & Mossad are also participating in Olympic security.

Edit: I just saw the Daily Mail article, which also states they will not be allowed past boarding gates or onboard British aircraft.

The part that bothers me is this....

Quote:
A spokesman for London Heathrow told the Mail last night: 'The US Transportation Security Administration requested, some time ago, to base a small number of staff at Heathrow and other UK airports to assist the additional numbers of US passengers travelling to and from the UK ahead of the Olympics.
'We agreed to give them access at Heathrow.'

So the TSA wanted access to Heathrow instead of being offered the chance to help

[Edited 2012-07-17 09:44:37]


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User currently offlineFaddypainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

I'd like to know which buffoon invited the TSA over in the first place. The sooner this olympic farce is over the better.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31409 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7179 times:
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Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 1):
What powers do TSA agents have outside of US jurisdiction?

Whatever powers Her Majesty's Government deigns to give them, I should think.

And they might not be present as TSA staff. They could be hired as temporary contract staff, for example, and delegated to the same authority that handles UK airport security.

[Edited 2012-07-17 09:42:57]

User currently offlineFaddypainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
They could be hired as temporary contract staff, for example, and delegated to the same authority that handles UK airport security.

I suppose but I doubt many TSA agents have the right to work in the EU, how would they get around that?


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 5):
I'd like to know which buffoon invited the TSA over in the first place. The sooner this olympic farce is over the better.

Completely agree with you, exactly why I'm going on holiday from the opening to the closing of the Olympics!

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Whatever powers Her Majesty's Government deigns to give them, I should think.

And they might not be present as TSA staff. They could be hired as temporary contract staff, for example, and delegated to the same authority that handles UK airport security.

So I ask again, why do we need them? Heathrow's security is pretty tight as it is, when was the last time you heard of a terrorist boarding a flight from LHR? Moreover, who's paying for them to be here?


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 8):
Moreover, who's paying for them to be here?

They'll say G4S, but the real answer is the UK taxpayer.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

I swear if some people didn't have anything to be unhappy about their hearts would simply give out! In practice, in London, they'd get told where to go if they got involved in anything non American. Try standing on the wrong side of a tube escalator and see how patient we are. There may br a genuine need for more hands on deck but given the predicted travel chaos has not appeared yet at LHR, much to the dismay of the press, life goes on. The major issue with the TSA is that many of us detest being stopped by a fat blue collar worker.

User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7053 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 10):
I swear if some people didn't have anything to be unhappy about their hearts would simply give out! In practice, in London, they'd get told where to go if they got involved in anything non American. Try standing on the wrong side of a tube escalator and see how patient we are. There may br a genuine need for more hands on deck but given the predicted travel chaos has not appeared yet at LHR, much to the dismay of the press, life goes on. The major issue with the TSA is that many of us detest being stopped by a fat blue collar worker.

The issue isn't that they're providing security at the games/in London, it's that they're going to be involved with airport security at LHR. Given that there will be no "travel chaos" because there's no increase in flights (so the same number of passengers that usually pass through maybe an increase of 2-3%) and the fact that most of the people going out during the next few weeks are avoiding the games, I don't see why they're needed at the airports at all! I'm not one to be unhappy usually, but this does annoy me quite a lot especially as they have no reason to be here and we'll probably pay for them!


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Sucks to be flying into EGLL, I feel sorry for all that have to. But look on the bright side, you will only have to deal with them, for 2 weeks... We have to for ever...

I hope the worse ones get sent over so everybody that has never been to the states post 9-11 can experience what we have to go through every day. And all the naysayers in all the TSA threads who say they can't be that bad get to have some fun.

I bet money on it we will see at least 10 reports throughout the games. I would would also bet they are going to try and do things use like in the US.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6942 times:

You can keep them, please do not send them back....


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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6932 times:
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HAHAHA

TSA is going to be exporting its capable, qualified, top notch group of motivated employees?? (Do us a favor, keep'em)


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 8):
So I ask again, why do we need them? Heathrow's security is pretty tight as it is, when was the last time you heard of a terrorist boarding a flight from LHR? Moreover, who's paying for them to be here?

Because we thought you guys needed some laughs with all of the pressure of the Olympics. The US will probably paying them and it will probably be the higher level TSA agents so that they can get a free trip to London.

So they want to "assist" the additional US passengers going to and from the Olympics. So are they going to check the Americans before they have to go through British Customs and vis versa when they leave London? This seems to be redundant and creating an unneeded bottleneck for Americans.

Shaking head, now palm to face....


User currently offlineFaddypainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

I just hope to god the UK personnel don't pick up on any "new procedures" the TSA may demonstrate on how we can "tighten security"...

That said, at least you guys across the pond are actually allowed to opt out of scanners. That is the one thing that outrages me here. At least they haven't installed any at BHX yet.


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 16):
That said, at least you guys across the pond are actually allowed to opt out of scanners. That is the one thing that outrages me here. At least they haven't installed any at BHX yet.

I don't have an issue with the scanners at MAN, all they see is an outline of your body and don't even know who it is. Last time I went through (it is a random/if you make the metal detector beep decision on if you go through them) I opted in to using it (Terminal 3 was empty) just to see what it was like.


Aside... I hope they get stuck in 'massive' border queue at LHR (like the press is reporting there will be) and by the time they get through the Olympics finish!

On a serious note, I guess LHR Terminal 5 will be TSA-free given no US airline uses that terminal


User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

Having experienced both TSA and the security at LHR, TSA wins hands down any day. The security folks at LHR are brain-dead robots. I hope the security folks at LHR pick up from TSA on how to treat passengers in a civil manner and also use their brains once in a while.

User currently offlineFaddypainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 17):
I don't have an issue with the scanners at MAN, all they see is an outline of your body and don't even know who it is.

I don't personally have an issue with the privacy aspect of them either ( although it is a valid concern I appreciate some may have).

My objection is simply to the principle of being forced under duress (by threat of being denied boarding) to expose myself to potentially ionising radiation of which no conclusive, impartial study has been done into its long term effects.

Although that's all a bit off-topic so I wont say any more  


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Quoting planejamie (Thread starter):

The original post does not make clear who requested the "help".
Was it a case of the US offering boots on the ground, or the Brits asking for help up front.

Quoting g500 (Reply 14):
(Do us a favor, keep'em)

Not a chance in Hell, a great export!  



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

From what I understand, the TSA is there to help with flights to the USA only, in a consulting role, probably to do secondary screening on passengers that the US wants more checks on or that the Brits flag themselves, not doing frontline screening).

There is a lot of blame going on for the understaffing of security for the games, with one of the contractors falling short of qualifying staff by up to 50% (up to 6000 short staffed). But they were not responsible for the airport, so the Queen's govmint must also be short on staff. Or possibly they are pulling planned military from LHR to use at the games and the US offered some TSA agents to cover US flights as a make-up staff? Either way, everyone was worried about Athens being ready back when they had the games, or that Beijing wouldn't get the venues finished on time, but everyone assumed London could handle things. I think that was giving 21st century Britain too much credit.

The Olympics are a fustercluck in any nation. It's why I hope the IOC continues to dismiss USA bids for the games. We just don't need that hassle. And it would show the world just how far we've fallen...  



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 5):
I'd like to know which buffoon invited the TSA over in the first place.

George W. Bush was the President at the time, although I believe that Congress assisted with the creation of DHS after 9/11. The TSA is under DHS, which is part of the Executive Branch. There was no TSA before 9/11.

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 7):
I suppose but I doubt many TSA agents have the right to work in the EU, how would they get around that?

It's a matter of visas and paperwork. Seeing as how it seems that they are there at the request of the UK government, arranging those details should be trivial.


User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

I don't really see why this is causing a fuss. Yes, it's annoying and some might feel like Britain loses "face" with these sorts of stories, but it's not like LHR's entire security has been replaced by the TSA. If the TSA wants to impose extra security on flights to and from America, I don't see why not. The Olympics are obviously a huge security risk, and I think we'd all rather be safe than sorry - though I'm not saying I enjoy my encounters with the TSA at all, I don't bother whining, we just get over it. Israeli security for their flights, as we all know, is above and beyond any of this, and I am sure they will be extra vigilant as well with flights to and from London.

User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6155 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 12):
But look on the bright side, you will only have to deal with them, for 2 weeks... We have to for ever...

...they're arriving next week and staying till one week after the end of the paralympics, so mid/end of September. That's a long while...

Quoting g500 (Reply 14):
TSA is going to be exporting its capable, qualified, top notch group of motivated employees?? (Do us a favor, keep'em)

....I thought there was some kind of UN convention banning the export of toxic waste to other countries?

More seriously, I think that at this stage any qualified help is welcome, the system seems to be in a bit of a meltdown in London at the moment....


25 Post contains images steve6666 : I really hope this post is a p***-take. If Heathrow security are brain-dead then I dread to think what neurosurgery has been performed on the average
26 LX138 : I believe this was always going to be the plan - it is not something that has arisen due to the issues of G4S or understaffing stories you may have re
27 Post contains images GCT64 : I live in London and use the airports every few days (yesterday, LHR T5, was the most recent and the experience was extremely smooth and easy) - I do
28 HAWK21M : Sounds more like a small team send to assist the host country & under Uk authority.....But this is interesting....
29 Simes : Back in the late 90's before the 2000 Olympics, the Federal government here in Oz created a temporary new visa class - Olympic Visa's, only valid for
30 qqflyboy : I'm with blrsea... I'd take TSA any day over security staff at Heathrow.
31 lapper : Maybe they'll learn something.
32 BC77008 : We had a bomb threat on a plane a few months ago. Someone had written the word "bomb" on the lavatory mirror and this was discovered only after all pa
33 chuchoteur : ...haven't been to London in a while (I travel over to Manchester most of the time), over here even the French media have started running stories...
34 Dano1977 : I can't say agree with the TSA working at Heathrow. Its not like suddenly last week we found out London was the host Olympic city. Its been 6+ years,
35 petertenthije : The missiles are already stationed on top of a residential building in London. If I am not mistaken one of the Royal Navy landing ships (HMS Ocean?)
36 Dano1977 : Yeah sarcasm doesn't work on a keyboard. Its actually funny seeing the soldiers on the missiles in just basic combat fatigues, next to members of the
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