AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18800 posts, RR: 64 Reply 1, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8231 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Flight is timed to connect to NH and UA North America services at NRT.
With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.
cslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 811 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8188 times:
In the DEL -> NRT -> US direction, you may need a overnight layover if you are flying to NYC, WAS or CHI but you'll have a generous approximate 4 hour layover if travelling to SEA, SFO or LAX.
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12022 posts, RR: 43 Reply 4, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8132 times:
Quoting cslusarc (Reply 2): In the DEL -> NRT -> US direction, you may need a overnight layover if you are flying to NYC, WAS or CHI but you'll have a generous approximate 4 hour layover if travelling to SEA, SFO or LAX.
So if you're going to the west coast, going through NRT is shorter and faster. If you're going to the east coast, chances are flying direct to JFK or connect in Europe is faster.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8098 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.
You are just looking at the NH flights that the DEL flight could connect to. Remember that this flight is operated as part of the joint venture with UA so for all intents and purposes UA and NH operate as one across the Pacific (and on certain intra-asia flights)
ORD 1635 UA882
IAD 1555 UA804
EWR 1635 UA78
IAH 1555 UA6
All of which are 3-3.5 hours from the time that the DEL flight arrives.
sshank From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8093 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1): With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.
Huh? Its well timed for UA's evening bank from NRT to EWR, LAX, SFO and ORD, what else are you looking for?
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18800 posts, RR: 64 Reply 8, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8025 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3): Posted sample schedules on the ANA site are only for their own services.
Ah, quite right. Interesting that if NH is launching this route in cooperation with UA and their JV, NH wouldn't include the best connections available with UA as well. But then airline advertising isn't my line of work.
DTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7908 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1): With nearly 5-hour layovers on the return to SEA, SFO and LAX, or overnight 22-hour connections to JFK, IAD and ORD? We'll see how this works out in that regard.
Quoting cslusarc (Reply 2): In the DEL -> NRT -> US direction, you may need a overnight layover if you are flying to NYC, WAS or CHI
If you need to fly to NYC, IAD or ORD, you do not need to fly through NRT.
You can easily fly DEL-EWR nonstop on UA or even fly LH or LX with a single connection.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7764 times:
On the Asia end IIRC at the moment its Japan, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
I’m sure they and Oneworld would like to add China but bilateral is not free enough to do so. Also for some reason they excluded South Korea from the JV even tough its open-skies.
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SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8260 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7700 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 11): I know that JAL intends to utilize the 787 on the NRTDEL route.
JAL already operates NRT-DEL 4x weekly with the B-787-8 and weekly with the B772. In December, JAL will increase frequency and capacity on the NRT-DEL route by deploying the B772 on the route daily.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6046 times:
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 12): From the schedule above it says a 763. I wonder if this is an Air Nippon one like the ones they send to MNL.
I believe it will be as majority if not all the ANA 767-300ERs are now operated by the Air Japan subsidiary.
Once schedules are up in GDS (I guess by the weekend) we will know for sure.
Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 16): Japan-DEL is not currently flown by NH? That's new to me.
Guess this shows how small the local market is relatively speaking. I at least know India is not big for Japanese tourists.
Yeah for being such major economic nations, the two have very little direct service between them.
Air India for instance surprisingly only serves NRT twice weekly !
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Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3076 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4736 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
ANA as part of its JV with United will be launching Tokyo to Delhi India service effective October 27th.
Is there any confirmation that this is a part of the UA/ NH JV? Isn't that restricted to the trans-pacific sectors (like the UA/ LH JV is restricted to trans-atlantic from what I know)?
Given UA already serves Delhi on it's own metal, and via FRA/ MUC on JV partner LH, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they were adding NRT-DEL as well.
Of course it could just be a code share, but I'm not sure it's a JV (joint costs, joint revenues).
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8735 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4546 times:
One interesting thing is that on USA-NRT-DEL, UA will be the one offering the better hard product since the 767 fleet at ANA does not have fully flat seats. Of course, soft product is different too.
Quoting Nimish (Reply 21):
Given UA already serves Delhi on it's own metal, and via FRA/ MUC on JV partner LH, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they were adding NRT-DEL as well.
Going via NRT saves about 500 miles over EWR or FRA. It's not that significant, but from the west coast, it is a bit shorter going via Asia.
[Edited 2012-07-18 11:48:05]
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Quote: The revenue sharing agreement applies to 120 flights per week: US domestic flight segments on United or Continental, transpacific segments with ANA, United or Continental and flights within Japan on ANA.
Quote: The trans-Pacific joint venture connects 295 U.S. cities, 43 Japanese cities, and 11 routes between the two countries with nearly 120 flights per week. The carriers also are coordinating fares and schedules for travel to and from certain other points in Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean.
Could the NRT-DEL be part of the JV under the point in bold above? Can't say for sure until we see an announcement from UA or NH.
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4531 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 21): Given UA already serves Delhi on it's own metal, and via FRA/ MUC on JV partner LH, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they were adding NRT-DEL as well.
Pax from west coast would definitely benefit from this. Going via EWR or FRA is much longer.
Take SFO-DEL. Via NRT is 14% longer than GC nonstop, but 23% longer via FRA or 28% longer via EWR.
25 BlackLabel: Yeah, I definitely appreciate this. Currently the fastest SFO-DEL flights are through HKG on CX (~26h), but the return trip is longer (~33h). This NH
26 LAXintl: See my Reply 14. The JV covers far beyond just TransPac sectors. For example last year ANA was able to launched NRT-Manila under guise of the JV. Tru
27 Nimish: Does this mean cost and profit sharing between UA and NH on NRT-MNL? Or is it limited to schedule coordination and a code share?
28 Roseflyer: And ANA has a very similar seat on its 767s as JAL does on the 787 flying the same route.
29 LAXintl: Yes accordingly share cost & revenues. From news story when the Manila service was launched: According to Mr. Koji Nagata, United’s director fo
30 point2point: Reading this, I'm really surprised that NRT-BOM is only a 737 here, and a premium configured as well, especially with NRT being a slot constrained ai
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