A new three times-daily service to Rotterdam from December 9
Three flights per week to Alicante from October 28
BA flights to Gibraltar will increase from seven to nine flights per week
The carrier’s Tel Aviv route will increase from 14 to 20 services per week, with the new A321s serving flights from the new year
Bmi services to Dammam will cease on September 16, with routes to Bishkek and Khartoum stopping on October 1, Yerevan on October 13, and Amritsar and Casablanca on October 28
Bmi services to Cairo, Moscow, Riyadh and Jeddah will cease, although BA’s flights to these destinations will continue
BA’s flights to Riyadh will be served with a B747 rather than the current B777
Interesting to see Alicante and Rotterdam added (!!!)...
They all seem like good routes to me. The only ones which make me wonder are:
- London City to Isle of Man. Introduced and going to 3 flights each weekday and 1 on Sat. and 2 on Sunday. It seems like a quite strange route to me. I don't know what goes on in the Isle of Man but I can't imagine a large amount of bankers in the city wanting to fly there for the day!
- London City to Venice. Introducing 6 flights a week. Similarly will business types want to fly from the city to Venice?
This route is being operated by a Saab 2000 of Eastern Airways in BA colours but has gone tech quite a few times since the route launched. 2 days ago I saw it was being operated by a different Saab 2000.
I'm pleased to see Alicante. Although would have preferred LGW service.
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2614 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 21870 times:
Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 7): I'm pleased to see Alicante. Although would have preferred LGW service.
Nice to see BA go back to Spain although 3 weekly is not huge... What surprises me though is the axsing of CMN and not AGA. All other European airlines seem to be doing pretty well in North Africa except BA.
Rotterdam is also a big surprise. 3 A319s a day is an overkill. Or the service might be a slot warmer that will hurt CityJet services to LCY. When the new longhaul are introduced, BA could then drop LHR and replace it by LCY...
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3898 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 21641 times:
Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3): Similarly will business types want to fly from the city to Venice?
City is also geared to high end leisure, CFE also fly to Ibiza, Angers, Palma, Mahon, Barcelona, Malaga and Quimper. Indeed by number of destinations, they seem to be a majority! ( We might want to add Nice in there too )
LCY-IOM has gone to three daily already operated by a leased Eastern Saab 2000.
thijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21191 times:
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 10): Rotterdam is also a big surprise. 3 A319s a day is an overkill. Or the service might be a slot warmer that will hurt CityJet services to LCY. When the new longhaul are introduced, BA could then drop LHR and replace it by LCY...
It could be. But i still expect good Loadfactors on the LHR-RTM route. Rotterdam / The Hague area is the most densly populated part of the Netherlands and home to many international companies.
There is also a need to profitably utilise the aircraft outside of the morning and evening business peak times.
As the airlines have discovered, non peak time flights on many strong business routes are financial dogs. It can be more profitable to find a high end leisure route which is less time sensitive to passengers.
Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
Good god! I presumed this would happen, the only thing is BA's flight is the "reverse" of other European carriers at RUH (arriving 6am, departing around 8am, other euro carriers arrive about 9pm and depart 1am ish having served somewhere as a tag on) but I preferred the BA way round as it didn't leave you arriving into the UK at "funny o-clock" (e.g 4am) nor departing the UK at an odd time.
There's certainly demand for a daily 747 as the BD flights were half full but BA was doing rather well with the 772. I presume this will be with a "high J" 747 since the 772s used to be mostly the non-ER ones with more F seats.
jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 20054 times:
Quoting vasu (Reply 11): Is it now out of the question for BA to start their own flights to the likes of Bishkek, Yerevan etc.?
I doubt it - if you look on the BA website the reason quoted for many of the cancellations is poor revenue performance, so they are hardly likely to cancel a BMI service one day and resurrect it as a BA flight any time soon.
It may be that they are planning to strengthen codeshares with S7 to get passengers into CIS countries. I think S7 has a hub in Novosibirsk which is located in southern Russia - just north east of the various 'stans. An A321 with the new mid hall configuration to Novosibirsk [is probably unlikely] might be good use of one of the slots that these cancellations release..
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1859 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19636 times:
Just shows you that when BA sold BMED to BMI, they couldn't make it work ,then BD had a go and it proves they screwed up - that was the nail in the coffin starting and now BD have gone and BA are expanding like wild fires
They only draw back I have found is looking at flying from LHR-to-MAN and BA want £330 one way! hahaha WTF!! (and I've just booked a return ticket PEK-LHR for £450) huum someone at BA need to do the number work again . . .
mdavies06 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18949 times:
Well at least they have not dropped AMM, BEY, TBS and Almaty as some speculated. However with these CIS and MENA flights going LHR has just lost a few destinations again in the names of profit but I guess its inevitable.
thenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 3275 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18877 times:
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 16):
It may be that they are planning to strengthen codeshares with S7 to get passengers into CIS countries. I think S7 has a hub in Novosibirsk which is located in southern Russia
There is also DME, which is S7's primary hub. OVB is their secondary hub.
In all honesty, i'm very surprised that BA decided to keep TBS, but discontinue EVN. Maybe a tag-on LHR-TBS-EVN would have been viable, just like in the old days with BMED.
EVN has had service to LHR since 1997. Sad to see it go !
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
mutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 567 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18325 times:
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 19): Just shows you that when BA sold BMED to BMI, they couldn't make it work ,then BD had a go and it proves they screwed up - that was the nail in the coffin starting and now BD have gone and BA are expanding like wild fires
BA never owned BMED. It was a franchise operator for BA but a totally independent carrier otherwise. BA didnt BID for BMED when it was put on the market and BMI acquired it unopposed.
: You can get £330 one way if you book a weekday the day before on LHR-MAN, the moral of the story, is book early.
: [quote=skipness1E,reply=25]the moral of the story, is book early Or book a return! If I wanted to travel tomorrow to MAN on the most expensive morning
: It may be equally time-sensitive but for a different time of the day. I certainly try to avoid "red-eyes" when travelling for pleasure! So a win-win
: As a travel agent, I didn't even know where Bishkek was until about 6-7 years ago, when I had a lady customer who asked me to send her there. The onl
: Now that direct LHR-FRU (via EVN i believe) service will end, not much ! One stops with TK, SU and Air Astana. That's pretty much it out of LHR. Same
: Anyone know what is happening with Beirut? Daily?
: No this is actually right. I read on another forum because of the BA/BD intergration; ex BMI flights are now being put up £200 to make the actual BA
: From BA.COM.... "British Airways will launch a new timetable to Beirut in Lebanon on 28 October 2012. Daily flights will be offered from Heathrow Ter
: No surprise about the dropping of some of those routes. I am surprised about CMN going though, when this is very much a up and coming destination, and
: Just because they are dropping it does not mean it doesn't work for them but they can probably earn a lot more using the slot to somewhere else.
: Possibly, but with the amount of short haul slot sitters on at the moment it very much looks like it 'doesn't work for them'!
: Huge Moroccan community in Paris and business links with France.
: Any idea what will happen to Tehran IKA?
: flights to IKA are currently operated via EVN. Service to EVN ends October 13. The timetables on ba.com do not show any current flights to IKA, which
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: TBS is being served daily. On 3 day the flights continue to ALA. It might be that on the 4 other days the service would be extended to IKA. I do not
: The Baku service will link on to Tehran. The Tbilisi will link on to Almaty. .[Edited 2012-07-19 12:28:24]
: I don't know exact figures specific to urban areas however Germany has four times as many Moroccan diaspora than the UK..... 200,000 compared to 50,0
: For those interested. The Amman, Beirut and Tel Aviv services will be operated by Eurofleet LHR crew on Mid Haul A321. The Baku, Tehran, Tbilisi and A
: I'll enjoy the few 767s flying between LHR-EDI. Day trip to London in October booked!
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: In the mean time, schedules have been published for services to Tehran, Freetown and Tblisi LHR-FNA --3--6- 22:30-05:25 BA137 767 0 FNA-LHR ---4--7 11
: Given this is the same flight does it mean that passengers from IKA are force to sit on the plane for an extra ten minutes after those from TBS have
: I think it's the Baku service that will link up to IKA, not TBS. Thenoflyzone
: If you check out the flight numbers you will see that flights to IKA and TBS share the same flight numbers. Baku has a different flight number.
: Please excuse if this has been addressed, but has BM cabin crew been integrated into BA cabin crew? Are they under Eurofleet LHR?
: Over 95% of former LHR based BMI crew have opted to join BAs Eurofleet cabin crew division, with the bulk of those joining the Mixed Fleet operation
: Correct. All the info can be found here. http://www.britishairways.com/travel...nter-flights-schedule/public/en_gb Thenoflyzone
: I thought the BD flight will be discontinued and will only be served by B777/B747.
: It has been reported that the one remaining BA flight to CAI will be an A321 from January 2013. I have just tried making a dummy booking on ba.com fo
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: The only route that has not been updated is Dublin... We will see what happens with that one..
: So in terms of Morocco, only the AGA survives? CMN/RAK-LHR all get the chop at the end of October?
: RAK will be operated from LGW, daily i believe. More updated info on here: http://www.britishairways.com/travel...nter-flights-schedule/public/en_gb
: Two separate things here. The slot divestment process, and traffic rights. The slot divestment process does not restrict how many flights BA can oper
: Presumably because Egyptair had the flight rights but BMI the landing slots at LHR?
: Only a tiny minority chose to take the sweetner to MF, the vast majority chose to go to the established EF where the 10K could be earned each year an
: By the end of this month, there'll be about 200 bmi cabin crew either flying for BA or undergoing training on EuroFleet. The small number of crew goi
: I doubt it. In the past couple of years, Egyptair have added LHR-SSH. Getting late night slots at LHR is possible Probably has been a commercial deal
: They may have gone to the 'established' Eurofleet however they are on original bmi terms & only for two years, after which they will have to re-a
: I don't think the staff had a part in the failing of BMI. In my experience the service was good and the staff very friendly, the management had the r
: Yes, and BA are so perfect!! I think Legends in their own minds comes to bear on this one. Much easier to do business when you have slot control, so
: I wasn't blaming the crew for the failings however the fact remains that bmi failed, British Airways acquired them and in these uncertain times for a
: And just to add to my last reply, from what I hear coming from training, the ex bmi staff are by no means behaving in a manner that befits crew at Bri
: Not sure what's happened with bmibaby especially as any offer from BA would also require crew to relocate, but they will need to start consultations
: Clearly not all ex BD staff are taking this negative approach. However, those who are need to remember that going forward they will be getting a BA pa
: How dare they during training. They should wait until they are on board the plane working like all other airlines cabin crew. Or are you telling me t
: Thanks for your reply. I wasn't creating a situation but merely sharing comments that have been overheard by fellow colleagues, perhaps it came acros
: It's not like bmi crew made the decision, British Airways did! Yes we are fortunate compared to our colleagues at bmibaby/outstations etc but you mak
: It's not really harsh, bmi have clearly failed. Gatwick fleet can not transfer to EF/WW.
: Comments like these do nothing to make employees joining us in BA feel welcomed, not matter where they came from or why they came. All BA employees,
: Well whatever. Failed airline or not, it's because of the 'failed airline' that British Airways is able to expand so you should be grateful of it!
: That maybe what you've heard from your source, but I have heard the exact opposite from several different sources. The bmi flight and cabin crew that
: Looks like you too have just joined the failure club. You came on Anet selling your hearsay and bad feelings to BMI, but you have been caught out. Th
: Exactly. Compared to other mergers (see US Airways) it has been very harmonious.
: BA were making huge losses for years. You must have been a failure then.
: I do wish the new crew every success & welcome them to the company, nowhere did I mention they weren't welcome. I am saying they (and as you point
: I think it's something like 3 years out of the last 25 they have made a loss. 1992-93: Actual +£172 million. 1993-94: Actual +£274 million. 1994-95