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Latin America: Most Profitable For US Airlines  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25059 posts, RR: 46
Posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11983 times:

Looks like Latin America is the place to be for US carriers as the region has continued to produce some of the strongest margins for US carriers across their networks last several years.

Quote:
Most U.S. Carriers Posting Solid Margins In Latin America

Flights to Latin America produced the highest operating margins of any region for U.S. carriers in 2011 and the first quarter of 2012, and the margin has continued to improve even as capacity rises.

Latin America services produced an 8% operating margin in 2011, based on quarterly financial data the airlines are required to file with the U.S. Transportation Department. That compared to a margin of 5% for domestic services, 3% for Pacific operations and negative 6% for transatlantic.

Story:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....d_07_17_2012_p01-02-477259.xml&p=1


Chart that goes along with the story shows operating profit margin for carriers in the region. All were positive in 2011 except Delta.

AA = 8%
B6 = 27%
CO = 27%
DL = (-5%)
UA = 6%
US = 5%

http://www.aviationweek.com/ad_pdf/2012/07/17/avd_07_17_2012_cht3.pdf

Delta blames its weak performance on the lack on frequencies it can offer, along with lack of brand awareness in the region.


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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11974 times:

Shame on AA/UA &DL that have not capitalized on this market. United I think lacks of a good gateway IAH is kinda far out of the way. The best geografically situated is Miami so AA should be king, yet their international service on Y is terrible.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25059 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11780 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 1):
Shame on AA/UA &DL that have not capitalized on this market. United I think lacks of a good gateway IAH is kinda far out of the way.

   

Houston seems to be fantastic looking at the results which Continental generated. The merged United sits in a very strong position in Latin America.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11725 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Delta blames its weak performance on the lack on frequencies it can offer, along with lack of brand awareness in the region.



I don't buy DL's excuse for their poor performance. The data is about margins and not total revenue, total profit, nor total capacity. Furthermore, DL blames this part of their poor performance on brand awareness. Perhaps this is partially true, but that doesn't seem to have stopped B6, which is a relatively new entrant, from posting solid results in the region.


User currently onlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5171 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11651 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 1):
United I think lacks of a good gateway IAH is kinda far out of the way.

To where? Latin America its fine.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 1):
The best geografically situated is Miami so AA should be king, yet their international service on Y is terrible.

Well, judging by the counterintuitive results...you may be wrong.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11624 times:
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 4):
Quoting eastern023 (Reply 1):
United I think lacks of a good gateway IAH is kinda far out of the way.

To where? Latin America its fine.

Houston is a bit out of the way if you are on the east coast. Newark- IAH- GRU is a bit out of the way. Newark and Dulles ar better Latin Gateways for United on the Atlantic coast.


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11616 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 4):
Well, judging by the counterintuitive results...you may be wrong.

Well are we judging the airline performance or the port of entry...exactly..!



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User currently onlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5171 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11589 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 6):
Well are we judging the airline performance

That's the only measure that matters...

But yes for deep S. America IAH is out of the way for the Atlantic coast.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11586 times:
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IAH is a gold mine for connecting Latin America with the US. If I'm not wrong, IAH is just behind MIA. AA hasn't been able to build a strong Latin American network from DFW. They only serve Mexico, BZE (not even daily), PTY (not daily), GUA, SJO, GRU, and EZE.


Furthermore, I believe UA has not taken full advantage of Latin America. Re-opening the defunct LAX-GUA and LAX-SJO aswell as ORD-GUA and ORD-SJO (they have never been operated) would further improve their domination in Latin America. If they could only get CM to open up a new frequency between PTY and ORD.



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User currently offlineXJetflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11568 times:

WN will be expanding Hobby and flying very soon. Watch what they do...

User currently onlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5171 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11559 times:

Quoting XJetflyer (Reply 9):
WN will be expanding Hobby and flying very soon. Watch what they do...

What are you suggesting? That they expand aggressively at IAH or the opposite?



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 924 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11535 times:

They will expand aggressively.


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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11483 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 1):
Shame on AA/UA &DL that have not capitalized on this market.

The problem is that if they added more seats, then the margins would erode. We also do not know the passenger mix. If adding more seats would only add price sensitive vacationers and expats, then it would only be a liability. Latin America is also notorious for its boom/bust economic cycles. There is limited upside at the moment and decline is a stronger possibility.

Quoting EricR (Reply 3):
DL blames this part of their poor performance on brand awareness. Perhaps this is partially true, but that doesn't seem to have stopped B6, which is a relatively new entrant, from posting solid results in the region.

B6's operations are very different than DL's. B6 operates primarily to the Caribbean and a few other destinations near the Gulf of Mexico. DL goes throughout Latin America, serving many more destinations as well as longer haul routes to Brazil, Argentina and Chile.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7549 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11473 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 8):
IAH is a gold mine for connecting Latin America with the US. If I'm not wrong, IAH is just behind MIA. AA hasn't been able to build a strong Latin American network from DFW. They only serve Mexico, BZE (not even daily), PTY (not daily), GUA, SJO, GRU, and EZE.

Wrong on a few counts. From DFW, AA serves multiple destinations in Mexico, BZE (daily except during hurricane season), GUA, SAL, SJO, LIR, PTY (3x weekly in the winter, spring, and early summer), CCS (weekly), SCL, EZE, GRU, and GIG (3x weekly).



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11463 times:
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Quoting avi8 (Reply 8):
IAH is a gold mine for connecting Latin America with the US. If I'm not wrong, IAH is just behind MIA. AA hasn't been able to build a strong Latin American network from DFW. They only serve Mexico, BZE (not even daily), PTY (not daily), GUA, SJO, GRU, and EZE.

AA HAS NOT been able to build a strong Latin gateway at DFW ? Really ? They fly to all kinds of cities in Mexico, Buenos Aires & Sao Paulo , if that is NOT enough I am sorry but just because Houston is bigger to Latin America and flies 2 daily flights to Bogota, what makes that so GREAT ?

EZE and GRU all that count in Latin America, and United would love to fly as many times to GRI and EZE as AA does. The only two big Latin cities United(before CO) flew to were ? EZE and GRU from ORD and IAD. So even pre merger UA flew to the 2 big Latin cities.


User currently offlineIAHworldflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11412 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
operating profit margin for carriers in the region

Since we are talking operating profit margin here, I'm not surprised DL is squeezed more than the other carriers. Anecdotal evidence based on my own fare searches seem to indicate that DL has lower fares to LatAM over ATL than UA or AA. As they increase market share, perhaps those fares will rise.
Seeing that CO had a 27% profit margin makes you realize why WN wanted to come into HOU so bad they were willing to pony up $100 million to do so. They're going to be handing out a lot of peanuts starting in 2015!


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Latin America is a strong region. With good economic growth, growing middle class looking to travel, and established ethnic and business links to the US, it seems this market will continue to grow and produce increasing opportunity for airlines.

I’ve read that as far as trade lanes, that Latin America could very well exceed size of that of Atlantic eventually.

So why the bad performance for Delta ?
Its not like they are novice in Latin America - they inherit a strong Mexico franchise from Western Airlines, got a few Latin routes from Pan Am and have operated to Spanish speaking countries for 20-years now. They also have long relationship with AeroMexico.
Seems strange they cannot capitalize on such.


User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11296 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
EZE and GRU all that count in Latin America

??? Please do expand.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 16):
So why the bad performance for Delta ?

I'm not sure for other countries, but at GUA, DL fails in there scheduling. Their GUA-ATL flight has very poor connecting options, some even requiring an overnight stay at ATL. They used to have a different schedule witch even permitted smooth connections to Europe and other US destinations, but I guess they didn't want to have an aircraft RON at GUA.

Their LAX flight does do well to my knowledge.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11296 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
EZE and GRU all that count in Latin America, and United would love to fly as many times to GRI and EZE as AA does.

That's a bit of a strong statement. EZE and GRU may be among the most important ones, but you're neglecting some other VERY important markets that have experienced intercontinental growth over the past few years (GIG, SCL, BOG, LIM, etc).

B6 doesn't even fly to EZE and GRU and they're boasting the largest profit margins!

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 16):
So why the bad performance for Delta ?
Its not like they are novice in Latin America - they inherit a strong Mexico franchise from Western Airlines, got a few Latin routes from Pan Am and have operated to Spanish speaking countries for 20-years now. They also have long relationship with AeroMexico.

I am going to take a few guesses here and perhaps suggest it COULD be because AA/MIA just simply walks away with the higher-yielding traffic, period, whereas DL/ATL provides mostly connecting?

Take Brasil as a case in point: DL has exited entirely from the non-GRU/GIG markets sans for BSB, whereas virtually every secondary Brasilian market AA has attempted from MIA has stuck: MAO, BSB, CNF, SSA, REC, etc.

Also, I know that DL's relationship with AM is long and entrenched, but there are also some bizarre things about it. They tend to be very flaky towards their ATLMEX services - I was surprised that they are just re-starting a daily flight this month. In their defense, however, ATLMEX is decently high-frequency and DL has a stake in AM....but still?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25059 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11254 times:

True – Delta is not a novice to Latin America.

I guess while ATL might be a great hub in many respects its disadvantaged in services to Latin America. I suppose problem might be that unlike other large US metros Atlanta also does not have the natural links to Latin America so virtually the entire plane must be connections due low local O&D component.
Also DL pretty much squandered away what Western had out of LAX by failing to build on it. Likewise at JFK, DL LatAm service has been more focused on Carrib beach destination then the large ethnic or business markets in the region.
Regarding Aeromexico, unfortunately I’m not sure how much benefit it provides DL also as its network is not exactly well designed for vast connection opportunities ala a COPA for instance, but instead more focused on serving the local Mexican clientele.

So yes it sure does seem like Latin America is a bit of an aberration at Delta which has spread its wings well across the Atlantic and Pacific over the same 20-years.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11217 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Regarding Aeromexico, unfortunately I’m not sure how much benefit it provides DL also as its network is not exactly well designed for vast connection opportunities ala a COPA for instance, but instead more focused on serving the local Mexican clientele.

Mexico is important but AM clearly has "AA-syndrome" in that they are a risk-averse carrier. While the DL-AM tie-up provides excellent coverage for US-Mexico, beyond that there is not much. AM has even forged codeshare agreements with non ST members including JJ and AV-TA.

While DL growing cozier with G3 and AR joining SkyTeam are separate matters, they do have some sort of implications here reflecting Delta's broader plans for deep South America beyond what gaps AM can fill.



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User currently offlineXJetflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 11106 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 10):
What are you suggesting? That they expand aggressively at IAH or the opposite?

Aggressuvely is an understatement in my opinion. I think the door is open for them now and they have done well at running an airline in the positive cash flow in the United States.

Many know on here that I was never a fan of WN. CO and ExpressJet had all my business. The one thing WN has going for them is the business model that has run smoothly over the years and they make tweaks when needed.

Grab a bag of popcorn and sit back and watch the excitement!


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 11083 times:

So taking comments of Delta spokesman regarding weakness in Latin America

1) Lack of frequency
=Many countries have open-skies already with US, or available frequencies for award. As mentioned above DL even walked away from some markets.
Seems they can have as many frequency as they desire to many markets such as Central America for example.

2) Lack of brand awareness
= As with every foreign market in the world one needs to advertise, participate with community, get in good with travel agents, etc. Why should this be a challenge for an airline for who I see adverts in train station in Geneva a city they don’t even serve? I would think DL be experts at marketing and branding today operating in so many diverse nations.

So both DL responses seem a little strange for me.


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 22):
I would think DL be experts at marketing and branding today operating in so many diverse nations.

I know Delta's ads are not done in house, rather they are contracted to the well-known W+K ad firm. Who spreads these ads, though? An in-house market research team, or W+K themselves?

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 22):
So both DL responses seem a little strange for me.

  



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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 12):
The problem is that if they added more seats, then the margins would erode.

I think the comment was directed more on the on board service rather than the frequencies.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 12):
Latin America is also notorious for its boom/bust economic cycles.

This is true in some econimies but the bigger countries have been in a growth path and political stability for the last thirty years (read Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Argentina (to some extent))



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25 drerx7 : Nope, they haven't. Why would they? No need to cannabilize MIA. AA would and probably has found the right balance of DFW vs. MIA traffic flows to Lat
26 LAXdude1023 : Yes they have. I dont know what your definition of strong is, but serving 11 non-Mexico destinations in Latin America is strong.
27 jfk777 : Jetblue flies many vactioners and VFR traffic to San Juan and the Domincan Republic, they can only fly as far as a320 go. That is like saying there s
28 nomorerjs : CM does fly ORD-PTY daily. Not sure how they do on the route, but they've been flying this since December.
29 yellowtail : It is in fact 9Xweekly effective Dec.
30 mogandoCI : Anyone wonder it's the other way around - Latin America margins are high because local competition is relative weak ? When faced against something lik
31 SCL767 : As well as Colombia and Perú. It's important to note that certain carrier(s) are adding even more flights from LIM to the U.S. this year. It's also
32 Post contains images EddieDude : This statement is wrong per se. Now, if you are not specifically excluding Mexico from your definition of Latin America, this is not only wrong, but
33 mercure1 : So what makes the Continental performance so strong? Is it their large cadre of unique Mexico destinations from Houston along with oil link flights to
34 boeing773ER : How is AA not leading in South America? I am pretty sure they are/planning on flying to every single country in the continent, besides three countrie
35 jfk777 : There is a big diference between a country bordering the USA and two which are 4000 to 5000 miles away. Mexico is culturally Latin American but geogr
36 EricR : That sounds very counter-intuitive. Low fares is probably the most effective tool to build share. Granted, marketing and timing/frequency of flights
37 gigneil : Not a single word of that made sense. NS
38 aer : Ok, this comment really lost me.
39 IAHworldflyer : I think one large factor is the high fares that CO , now UA is able to charge from IAH to most Latin American destinations. While the IAH hub has lot
40 IrishAyes : Not to sound harsh here, but neither of these statements provide any clarification to your original point - that EZE and GRU are "all that matter." S
41 SCL767 : AA operates MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA as a DAILY service. Also, AA is not the only U.S. carrier operating into MDE. NK operates FLL-MDE 5x weekly (A-320).
42 EricR : Yeah,....sorry I misread that.
43 757MDE : No wonder. Paying 500 USD for a 3 hours flight when they have "unmissable rebates" has to be profitable. And that as the US carriers tend to be the c
44 danild : I work for a travel agency and we have a lot of spanish speaking customers, as far as the ethnic market goes I can guarantee that Delta is at a disad
45 LipeGIG : Wow, that's very interesting. Breaks many arguments about "high yield" markets in South America ! They make profits even with that... it is just the m
46 RCS763AV : Really no wonder here. Not only are fares high, latin americans are very frequent travelers to the US on business and leisure, and at least in Colombi
47 klwright69 : I remember in the 90's when DL announced their intentions to almost exactly duplicate AA's Latin American presence in MIA, but in ATL of course... The
48 jfk777 : I don't doubt Houston to Brazil is a goldmine becaue of the oil industry, but if I am flying from Boston to GRU Miami is more direct then Houston. Ho
49 xdlx : The MCO hub DL intended to build in the 90's would have worked great for SA. But instead the synergy that ATL created was too inviting to ignore. So
50 WA707atMSP : One warning I'd like to make: Don't read too much into divisional profits. Some costs can be directly allocated to each division of an airline. Other
51 2travel2know2 : UA most likely won't re-start those routes if now flown by TA/AV and bearing UA code-share. Perhaps some routes out of SFO not flown by TA or odd one
52 LAXintl : What you say is true, however in this case what we are looking at is not an international versus domestic allocation games, but how the same airlines
53 yellowtail : To be fair they did just announce IAD-SAL
54 2travel2know2 : IMHO the new UA seems to treat AV/TA in a different way than they do to CM.. There's no way (but I may be mistaken) that UA would have jumped into a
55 LipeGIG : If we consider size, yes. And because of that, probably, MIA and a few other gateways offers less return than IAH for example, where there's no need
56 mogandoCI : UA can use a 2-tier strategy similar to their Asia/European network : 1. Focus on 1 or 2 hubs to fly to a wide selection of destinations. In UA's cas
57 Post contains images yellowtail : with disdain maybe Well I don't know if NK has been an across the board success. They have run into the issues of only having tickets being available
58 xdlx : $100 pph
59 757MDE : They have a travel agency authorized to sell their tickets, at least here in MDE just because of that reason (or they did the last time I researched
60 cayman : Yes I know it's all politics but could someone somehow someway add CCS service, ideally from MIA but from anywhere in N America frankly. Wildly expens
61 EricR : I realize most of this thread has been about Latin American operations, but what was shocking to me was how poor AA's margins were in the Pacific. The
62 Post contains images LAXintl : And Haneda I'd say.
63 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : Maybe it's time for AA to redeploy those 777s to more destinations in South America.
64 IrishAyes : Well, the numbers reflect data for 2011, so you have to include the ORD-DEL route in that analysis (as I am pretty sure that counted as TPAC) which w
65 LAXintl : ORD-DEL be considered Atlantic in DOT definition.
66 IrishAyes : Yes, but didn't AA include it in their TPAC calculations?
67 LAXintl : Well they should not. Reporting should be according to DOT entities. India falls in Atlantic, so various calculations from ASM/enplanement/revenue sh
68 LAXdude1023 : I'd believe the awful margin for AA over the Pacific even without ORD DEL. The only Pacific route I know AA is successful on is DFWNRT. I think the ot
69 VC10er : From EWR the newly refitted 767-400 is amazing, in BF* you might as well be on a brand spanking new plane. Then, if going to GIG, it's such an easy ta
70 STT757 : I hope to see UA expand some more in Latin America as I think there are some opportunities; EWR-GIG A route previously flown by CO with a DC-10 and la
71 AVENSAB727 : I hope IAH-Maracaibo gets launched soon.
72 RCS763AV : Just my 2 cents. The route would actually be EWR-MDE-CLO, as MDE is closer to the States than Cali is. Also, Avianca flies the route currently 3x-7x
73 FlyingSicilian : Sadly it won't. Venezuela won't allow it right now. Currently the traffic splits between UA and Copa via Panama and AA via MIA. Last I heard from an
74 Post contains images lightsaber : Think what the NEO and MAX will do for Latin America traffic. It won't open up routes too far south, but I could see quite a few new routes. Nice. Any
75 BDL757 : Indeed, DL's plans for LATAM are interesting. I can tell through partnerships/investments with GOL, AM, and AR as well as through internal communicat
76 LAXintl : I guess if one believes what the economist are saying that Europe will essentially be flat with 1-2% growth into infinitum, while Latin America will
77 STT757 : Looking ahead IAH-GIG gets upgraded by UA to a two class BusinessFirst 777, definitely been anticipating this upgrade but many (including myself) were
78 mogandoCI : AA should just return the slots and route authority on JFKHND instead of it bleeding like that for a few more years in the remote hope that eventuall
79 LAXdude1023 : Smart move, that route has been begging for a larger plane for some time. I think it was a mistake to let go of JFK-NRT in favor of JFK-HND. The 777
80 DLPMMM : The numbers must be looked at only with a carriers relative performance over different periods, and not a comparison of actual operating margins. Delt
81 mogandoCI : IIRC UA got shut out of HND slots (because ANA got them), and I guess UA lucked out by *not* having to serve HND at poor slot hours
82 STT757 : Which is shame because UA has the two best hubs for Haneda flights, SFO and GUM.
83 LipeGIG : I don't understand why UA does not try a 4-class 772 on this route. It seems will be a season of upgauges to Rio: UA with 772 from IAH, US with 332 f
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