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NK Announces AZA-ORD Service  
User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 188 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

I was watching "Good Morning Arizona" this morning and there was a segment about how Spirit just announced service between the Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport and O'Hare.Currently Allegiant serves Chicago rockford from this airport wich is about an hour away from the city of chicago. I was also watching and it said allegiant is planning international service one day but the only problem is the airport. i found a link here.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...er-daily-mesa-chicago-service.html

Service starts November 8 and will be seasonal until April 24


"Flights from Mesa to Chicago will depart at 1:55 a.m. and arrive at 6:15 a.m, with return flights leaving at 9:45 p.m. and arriving at 12:40 a.m."

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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Welcome to A.net  
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Welcome to A.net, enjoy the ride!

happy joining anniversary day  

And this sounds like a good plan. It's about time NK started this route. My friend had to connect in LAS to get to AZA on NK from Chicago about 4 months ago.



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

What is with all the weird timing? Red-Eyes from vegas usually depart around 11:30, not 1:55. The only ones I see timings like this usually are TransPac flights.


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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

It's a smart move but the scheduling block for the return to ORD is stupid. I think people will be more inclined to fly UA AA US or WN to ORD/MDW. The DFW flight is/was the same way. Their aircraft utilization must be insane.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3768 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 3):
What is with all the weird timing? Red-Eyes from vegas usually depart around 11:30, not 1:55. The only ones I see timings like this usually are TransPac flights.

NK has only two or three gates at ORD. This way, they can pump more flights in and out of the station (ORD does not have a night curfew).

That said, this is a smart move for NK. And once GYY's runway expansion is done, I wouldn't be surprised to see G4 start GYY-AZA. G4 originally wanted to start GYY with LAS instead of SFB, but the runway restrictions due to the railroad tracks forced them to change plans.



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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 788 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

I think this route will be a success. I wouldn't be surprised to see it year round.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

This is simply a way of fitting in a new route without needing to use aircraft time. This is another case (like PDX's new DFW route) of using RON a/c at both ends of the route to fly one more flight for the day. (The Chicago RON plane ends up spending the night in the Arizona desert instead and the Arizona RON heads off to Chi-Town in time to make up the morning departure out of O'Hare.) Apparently NK is real tight on their fleet utilization so this is a natural way to keep growing while waiting for more airplanes to come on-line.

With the crowd that generally flies Spirit -- those looking for a cheap fare -- the horrible middle-of-the-night schedules don't really seem to matter much More power to NK for trying things, and making much of it work!

I'd sure like to see NK try a couple of SAN flights from Williams; PHX is generally our second largest market and even thouogh both WN and US offer lots of capacity, it would be nice to have an alternate airport option. Spirit seems to have found a compfort level between SAN and LAS (2x daily) and is going up against WN there so PHX seems like a natural to me. (And it seems unlikely that G4 would try it...)

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User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

Maybe an ORD-PDX flight similar to DFW is in the future?

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Thread starter):
I was also watching and it said allegiant is planning international service one day but the only problem is the airport

The new East Terminal will address that issue. The airport is expected to be at full capacity immediately after the new 2 gate expansion is completed this fall. Hopefully the interest of international flights by G4 will expedite the ground breaking on the East Terminal.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6244 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 9):
The new East Terminal will address that issue. The airport is expected to be at full capacity immediately after the new 2 gate expansion is completed this fall. Hopefully the interest of international flights by G4 will expedite the ground breaking on the East Terminal.

Does anybody have any recent photos of the new terminal and the current terminal? I haven't seen anything recently, especially on google maps.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Does anybody have any recent photos of the new terminal and the current terminal? I haven't seen anything recently, especially on google maps.

I'm driving past it tomorrow. If I remember to take one (and if I have the proper motivation), I'll put it up. Don't get your hopes up though.

The new terminal expansion does look pretty good. They've gone with a more aesthetically pleasing design than the last expansion and leaps and bounds better than the first expansion, which sort of looks like a jumbo sized double-wide. They're putting in a high ceiling so things should at least feel a little less cramped.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 11):
I'm driving past it tomorrow. If I remember to take one (and if I have the proper motivation), I'll put it up. Don't get your hopes up though.

Take your time, I guess. If i can figure out how to get over there I'll stop by myself



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Take your time, I guess. If i can figure out how to get over there I'll stop by myself

No worries, I'll get one. It's not hard to get to...it's only about two minutes from the 202 on Sossamen. The road curves around a bit and goes past the Cessna Citation hangar, Embraer, ASU, and CGCC. Their signage is pretty good now, so you shouldn't have any trouble if you go out that way. They charge for parking in all of their lots now and you need a permit at ASU and CGCC except weekends, but you can park by the FBO/ATP building for free. It's only a short walk to the terminal.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3368 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 5912 times:

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 8):
Maybe an ORD-PDX flight similar to DFW is in the future?

I have heard from those who fly the NK PDX-LAS route that flights are always full, and I know the A.net rule, "full planes don't = profitable flights" but I read in another thread PDX-DFW was starting off well, but it is summer, I expect NK to see how DFW goes, before adding anything more from PDX, ORD has 2 n/s carriers, DTW just one other n/s carrier, and FLL has no competition on a non-stop basis from here.

I'm flying to Dallas on NK in Sept, I guess we'll see how that goes, I'll let you guys know. I don't know how long AS will let this little influx by NK in the Northwest go, before they react in some way, so far nothing, but if NK tries to fly into SEA to LAS or DFW, I'd expect to see AS at least blow a shot across NK's bow, AS did finally take care care of pulling down the Inter Northwest flying they did, PDX was a smart move by NK, get a small foothold and slowly tap AS's home turf for low end passengers, the ones with no brand loyalty anyway.



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User currently offlineMJBATC12 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Why does NK schedule these rediculous flight times? Like the flight departing FLL for PBG departs at 10pm or so, arrives PBG at just after 1am, and departs there just after 2am and arrives FLL at 5am... crummy business model if you ask me. Who wants to fly a 3 hour red eye from AZA to ORD and arrive at the airport let alone at midnight or just before?

Anyone know why they do this crummy stuff? Worst LCC if you ask me, WN for me over NK any day. Interesting route proposal also...



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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Quoting MJBATC12 (Reply 15):
Why does NK schedule these rediculous flight times? Like the flight departing FLL for PBG departs at 10pm or so, arrives PBG at just after 1am, and departs there just after 2am and arrives FLL at 5am... crummy business model if you ask me. Who wants to fly a 3 hour red eye from AZA to ORD and arrive at the airport let alone at midnight or just before?

It's been mentioned frequently (including multiple times in this thread) that they do this to keep aircraft utilization up. Why have a plane on the ground when it could be in the sky making money (hopefully). If the price is right, people will fly at whatever time of the day.

[Edited 2012-07-19 08:38:14]

User currently offlineMJBATC12 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 16):
It's been mentioned frequently (including multiple times in this thread) that they do this to keep aircraft utilization up. Why have a plane on the ground when it could be in the sky making money (hopefully). If the price is right, people will fly at whatever time of the day.

Sorry? Didn't see it. If I were to be honest and I was flying, I'd get the earliest flight in the morning let alone a flight that goes overnight just from Niagara Falls/Buffalo to FLL.... That's just my opinion.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3368 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

I'm guessing that the reason NK is announcing these routes so far in advance is to make their route map look better online?


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User currently onlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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What they are doing is a smart move keeping planes in the air, instead of sitting around. Increasing the routes they offer without adding aircraft.


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3368 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 19):
What they are doing is a smart move keeping planes in the air, instead of sitting around. Increasing the routes they offer without adding aircraft.

Agreed, NK is operating on a smaller margin than most legacies, I'm assuming. Thus being the case, the logic of utilization is realized by flying that bird 24/7. I expect we'll see PDX-DTW, OAK-DTW and possibly more to ORD from the west by utilizing otherwise RON'd aircraft, Still unsure why they announce routes so far out, except to make their route map bigger.



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