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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 1  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13052 times:

Hello to all PHX/AZA/CHD/LUF/FFZ Fans 

And welcome to the first official thread regarding aviation in the Phoenix area!

Since we all tend to go off on various thread tangents every time something comes up around here (odd flight, diversions, weather, flight news, etc) I've decided it'd be a good idea to make a thread about Phoenix aviation.

Any and all discussion about aviation around the valley of the sun is welcome!

Some talking points:
Unusual seasonal cuts for US and WN this fall?
AA/US speculated merger and its effects on PHX
The persistent rumors of Asian expansion out of PHX (as once the DEN-NRT service begins, we will be the largest airport in the country without Asian service)
The heat and its effects on aircraft
BA288/289 service, and other international service

Enjoy this thread, and give em hell, devils  
and stay outta the heat too         

Regards, Z


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User currently offlinemop357 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13045 times:

Interesting thread. I really hope they start service to Asia. I lived in Phx for 15 months and may move back within the next few months. My next trip is to Asia so I am hoping for a direct flight.

AA is a disappointment to me in Phx. I get buddy passes on AA but have to go through either LAX, ORD, or DFW. I wish they had a direct flight to JFK like Jetblue but I know that is just wishful thinking. So I only take Jetblue.

Do you remember when AA used to fly from PHX to JFK?


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13029 times:

Is this the thread to ask about go arounds at PHX as well?  

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13024 times:

Quoting mop357 (Reply 1):
Do you remember when AA used to fly from PHX to JFK?

I wasn't around at the time but my buddy actually was talking about this with me today and he said that he was upset when AA cut that service.

My flight from CVG-PHX roundabouts and goes to JFK about an hour after it lands. Pretty interesting rotation.

Anybody think that US is gonna pick up the CVG route eventually?



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7564 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12984 times:

Anyone knows how AM's HMO-PHX flight is doing?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinemach2is2slowAZ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12972 times:

I am looking forward to the topics that come up! The best time of year for a spotter in the Valley of the Sun is during the Christmas cargo rush with all of the heavy metal that it brings into the area. This past Christmas Evergreen International and National airlines had several 747 flights a day into and out of Sky Harbor along with increased heavy Fed Ex, UPS and DHL traffic sure beats the constant 737 and A320 traffic. The occasional AN124s, C5 and C17 along with 747-8 and 787 into Williams along with Boeing hot weather test flights make for great spotting.

User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12930 times:

well if a AA/US merger happens than all the HQ jobs in the offices in Tempe will be moved to Dallas and it could affect the economy of Phoenix which will be hard to see now that it is starting to be picked back up

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12917 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 2):

Is this the thread to ask about go arounds at PHX as well?


Wow. Rough crowd.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Anyone knows how AM's HMO-PHX flight is doing?


I have some concerns about this flight. One would assume that AM would do fairly well out of PHX, but this flight seems to cater mostly to Mexican nationals.

However, I suspect that the amount of Mexican nationals traveling between AZ and Mexico has dropped considerably due to the recent immigration laws passed by the State of Arizona combined with a sluggish housing market (an industry that once employed a lot of Mexican nationals during the early/mid 2000's). This flight, once flown 2X daily with mainline aircraft, is now down to 1 regional jet.

Quoting mop357 (Reply 1):
Do you remember when AA used to fly from PHX to JFK?


Used to fly 2X daily with a 727 and the schedule would sometimes switch to 1 daily on a DC10.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12904 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 7):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 2):

Is this the thread to ask about go arounds at PHX as well?


Wow. Rough crowd.

Hahaha well if it's noteworthy like BA 289  
Quoting EricR (Reply 7):
I have some concerns about this flight. One would assume that AM would do fairly well out of PHX, but this flight seems to cater mostly to Mexican nationals.

One would think that COPA would add a flight to PHX in that sense, IMO. Or an AM flight to MEX.

Quoting EricR (Reply 7):
Used to fly 2X daily with a 727 and the schedule would sometimes switch to 1 daily on a DC10.

Could the 727 do the range, especially in the heat? Sounds pretty interesting. Especially with a DC10.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 6):
well if a AA/US merger happens than all the HQ jobs in the offices in Tempe will be moved to Dallas and it could affect the economy of Phoenix which will be hard to see now that it is starting to be picked back up

I don't think- especially if the population here picks up in movement again- that PHX will have a decent amount of flights (if not more, IMO) even if an AA flight happens.

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 5):

Yeah I agree, I just wish there was more daylight to catch the heavies as they arrive in the evening.



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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12880 times:

NK Announces AZA-ORD Service (by AllegiantFlyer Jul 18 2012 in Civil Aviation)

here is a little update about NK in the area the seem to be expanding i guess which is a good sighn! so check out the thread i posted earlier if you like


User currently offlineSeabiscuit From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12850 times:

Anybody have any info on the a/c that was circling the valley about a week ago on the south mountain area? Looked like at least seven or eight loops if I remember correctly. I could not find any news on it and it seemed pretty strange.


Seabiscuit
User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12839 times:
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So if US/AA combine, I assume the merged entity would be a One World airline. I think this would make it unlikely that Phoenix would have additional European service then. Without a merger, and US remaining a Star carrier, I think that a return to FRA service could happen sooner rather than later.

As for Asia service, I just do not see it happening. There are some business ties, sure, but there are no, or extremely low, cultural ties. I believe the largest Asian ethnicity living in PHX is from Vietnam (I recall reading that in the Tribune a while ago), mostly resettled from the Vietnam war area, and there would be no real support for a direct flight to there. I would say, given yields out of PHX, it is more than probable that PHX will have to make do with 1 hops to the Far East for a while. I make this trip at least once a year myself, + a three hour car ride on to Safford.

I am a bit surprised that there is not more Latam service. Especially with increasing odds that the Gadsen Purchase will be un-wound and the Valley will be annexed by Mexico, I have to believe that PHX is worthy of more than just seasonal service to Costa Rica outside of Mexico...

Also, I would love to see B1900D service to Safford  . I know Frontier made it happen once, long before I was on the planet, so someone could make it happen again, right?



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlinemach2is2slowAZ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12833 times:

The flight


Quoting Seabiscuit (Reply 10):
Anybody have any info on the a/c that was circling the valley about a week ago on the south mountain area? Looked like at least seven or eight loops if I remember correctly. I could not find any news on it and it seemed pretty strange.

It was a test flight for Southern Air 9743. Looks like the plane was recently purchased and they were doing engine tests before sending to the new owner. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20120710/1900Z/KMZJ/KMZJ

[Edited 2012-07-18 18:14:23]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12775 times:

Quoting Seabiscuit (Reply 10):
Anybody have any info on the a/c that was circling the valley about a week ago on the south mountain area? Looked like at least seven or eight loops if I remember correctly. I could not find any news on it and it seemed pretty strange.
Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 12):
It was a test flight for Southern Air 9743. Looks like the plane was recently purchased and they were doing engine tests before sending to the new owner. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S.../KMZJ

   that's it. It's going to be with Southern Air (and I think based outta CVG, if I'm not mistaken)

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 9):
here is a little update about NK in the area the seem to be expanding i guess which is a good sighn! so check out the thread i posted earlier if you like

Good for NK and AZA! I'm happy that the airport over there is growing.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 11):
Without a merger, and US remaining a Star carrier, I think that a return to FRA service could happen sooner rather than later.

I agree with both but it would be some time, i.e. the economy needs to pick up again first before LH service resumes.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 11):
As for Asia service, I just do not see it happening. There are some business ties, sure, but there are no, or extremely low, cultural ties. I believe the largest Asian ethnicity living in PHX is from Vietnam (I recall reading that in the Tribune a while ago),

Actually there are a LOT of Chinese here, along with a plethora of Japanese companies. A rumor circulating is that once the economy picks up more jobs from Japan are going to relocate from LA to here because of the political climate of California.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 11):
Also, I would love to see B1900D service to Safford . I know Frontier made it happen once, long before I was on the planet, so someone could make it happen again, right?

Well I think Great Lakes can do it  



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12744 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
Quoting EricR (Reply 7):
Used to fly 2X daily with a 727 and the schedule would sometimes switch to 1 daily on a DC10.

Could the 727 do the range, especially in the heat? Sounds pretty interesting.

Yes, the 727 has a range of around 2,400 miles.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
One would think that COPA would add a flight to PHX in that sense, IMO. Or an AM flight to MEX.

AM could add MEX, but would face competition from US on the route. Also, it is my understanding that most of the Mexican nationals that come to AZ are from the northern half of Mexico, thus the reason why AM serves HMO and used to serve Guaymas.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 11):
Especially with increasing odds that the Gadsen Purchase will be un-wound and the Valley will be annexed by Mexico

Say what? I thought I told you to stop reading the National Enquirer.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12718 times:

So I was just asked this trivia question by a fellow member on A.net:

After WN and US, which air carrier employs the most people at Sky Harbor?  
Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
AM could add MEX, but would face competition from US on the route. Also, it is my understanding that most of the Mexican nationals that come to AZ are from the northern half of Mexico, thus the reason why AM serves HMO and used to serve Guaymas.

That does make sense, and besides AM is SkyTeam, right? Makes sense.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12702 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
After WN and US, which air carrier employs the most people at Sky Harbor?

I would assume YV.


User currently offlinemop357 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12657 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 7):
Used to fly 2X daily with a 727 and the schedule would sometimes switch to 1 daily on a DC10.

That sounds like a really long time ago. You recall when they stopped the JFK-PHX? Think they would ever start it up again? Jetblue flights are all full why couldn't AA do it?

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Yes, the 727 has a range of around 2,400 miles.


That's really pushing it. JFK to PHX is about a good 2100 miles. Not to mention the headwind on the west bound


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12596 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
After WN and US, which air carrier employs the most people at Sky Harbor?

That's not what I said. I asked, After WN and US, which air carrier employs the most people in the Phoenix area? Key difference.  



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Does anyone know when the long-awaited "Sky Train" will be operational at Sky Harbor?? The current system of shuttle buses to the 44th Street Light Rail station is pathetically bad - and scary with all the homeless/panhandler folks at the station.

I flew into PHX on US a couple of weeks ago, and there was 2 female US FAs on the platform that had called Phoenix police due to some homeless person following them from the shuttle bus drop off, across the street, up onto the light rail platform, and then aggressively telling them to give him money. Not a safe situation, especially at almost midnite on a Saturday night.



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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 885 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12555 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 19):

Completion is scheduled for early 2013 (At least to connect the light rail station and east economy lot). The good news is that I park in East Economy every week and a lot of progress has been made.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 19):
and scary with all the homeless/panhandler folks at the station.

It will run 24 hours so hopefully the scary factor will go down , but I am with you on that one ... its not the place you want to be at 2 in the morning.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):
That's not what I said. I asked, After WN and US, which air carrier employs the most people in the Phoenix area? Key difference.

haha my bad. And you know that I know the answer too  
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 20):
Completion is scheduled for early 2013 (At least to connect the light rail station and east economy lot). The good news is that I park in East Economy every week and a lot of progress has been made.

Just to T4 on Q1 2013. Terminal 3 in 2015 (estimated.)

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 20):
It will run 24 hours so hopefully the scary factor will go down , but I am with you on that one ... its not the place you want to be at 2 in the morning.

I hate being on public transportation after 11PM at night -_-



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1181 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 6):
well if a AA/US merger happens than all the HQ jobs in the offices in Tempe will be moved to Dallas and it could affect the economy of Phoenix which will be hard to see now that it is starting to be picked back up

I doubt it will have much effect on the Phoenix economy. It should remain a large hub IF they do merge, and I'd guess that some things will stay here, like the US training center west of the airport.

Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
I would assume YV.

I don't think so. Last I heard was their ground handling was turned over to Piedmont or somebody. OO has also taken a bunch of YV flying. I'm not as in the loop as I used to be when my roommates worked for YV at PHX, but I do know that YV has been pretty gutted over the past two years.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 20):
Completion is scheduled for early 2013 (At least to connect the light rail station and east economy lot).

I thought they were shooting for the end of this year for the holiday season, but it seems you're right. I know they've slipped the dates a couple of times.

For me, it would make more sense to open the segment from T4 to the light rail and open the segment to T3 and walkway to T2 later. It would at least get the majority of passengers to where they need to go. And because waiting for that freaking bus is a joke. I guess they have some rationale for it, but whatever.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12491 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 22):
I thought they were shooting for the end of this year for the holiday season, but it seems you're right. I know they've slipped the dates a couple of times.

What's taking so long for it to be completed? Testing? Errors? Labor issues?

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 22):
For me, it would make more sense to open the segment from T4 to the light rail and open the segment to T3 and walkway to T2 later. It would at least get the majority of passengers to where they need to go. And because waiting for that freaking bus is a joke. I guess they have some rationale for it, but whatever.

The grand master plan or whatever has it going to the rental car center by 2020. Apparently.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 22):
I don't think so. Last I heard was their ground handling was turned over to Piedmont or somebody. OO has also taken a bunch of YV flying. I'm not as in the loop as I used to be when my roommates worked for YV at PHX, but I do know that YV has been pretty gutted over the past two years.

According to EA CO AS it's Alaska. 200+ employees here in PHX. Quite interesting  



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12478 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 22):
I don't think so. Last I heard was their ground handling was turned over to Piedmont or somebody. OO has also taken a bunch of YV flying. I'm not as in the loop as I used to be when my roommates worked for YV at PHX, but I do know that YV has been pretty gutted over the past two years.

Piedmont handles all US Airways Express flights (YV and OO) above- and below-wing at PHX.



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25 atcsundevil : No clue. I know they've been testing it for maybe a month or so. It seems hard to believe that testing would take upwards of six months, but what do
26 AllegiantFlyer : after testing it was delayed because the train kept sliding off the bars and back down because of the arch its on,and that was with no people on it.c
27 Post contains links EricR : I knew US replaced a lot of the YV flying, but thought there may be enough employees remaining to push them into the #3 spot. I forget about the AS r
28 goosebayguy : Has anyone any photo of the light railway around the terminal area? I was in PHX a couple of years ago stayed in a hotel nearby but needed the railway
29 Post contains links PHX787 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGzLZpkaLw you can see the station in the background at the beginning of the video. Yeah I guess you're right. Oh jeez
30 eagle125 : Not familiar with the Phoenix market, but it seems like PHX should be on the short list of new service to Japan. If a US/AA merger were to happen, I
31 Maverick623 : As it is right now, the market probably wouldn't sustain it. If it improves, and the merger happens, then we would likely see a NRT frequency from PH
32 PHX787 : ^ that. Once more 330s and the 350s arrive, given no merger, I definitely see this happening, given JL/NH doesn't do it.
33 chumley : Random PHX question that has always bothered me. Does anybody know the purpose of T4 having 2 concourses for each letter, rather than each concourse h
34 Post contains links chrisair : That station is nothing. Try going to the Circle K across the street. Or about 3 blocks west on Washington. It's an awful, awful area, complete with
35 PHX787 : It's strange, the Washington/Priest area is all brand new with prominent businesses, then you go on to the other side of the loop 202 and you have a
36 Post contains images redflyer : It's the way we do things here in Phoenix - the hard way. The same reason why there's 3 terminals, but they are numbered 2, 3, and 4, and not 1, 2, a
37 EddieDude : AM already had mainline service between MEX and PHX, but quit some years ago. They kept the HMO-PHX flight only.
38 atcsundevil : It's a group 5 taxiway just like S and T, which is what pretty much every taxiway at PHX is (except most of Alpha, but I think they're planning on ex
39 stasisLAX : OMG, that Circle K is like the ninth gate of hell. Scary doesn't adequately describe that convenience store!
40 phxa340 : How exactly do you get to the tram anyways , I know from the surface lot there are escalators , does Garage A connect to the tram ... it seems like s
41 atcsundevil : Where are the other eight? Tucson, probably.. It's not the best area but that's what you typically get around inter-city airports. I've been at that
42 crj900lr : Possibly Piedmont as they took over the US Express ground handling. Wonder how those employees are enjoying the "Piedmont way" of doing things??
43 atcsundevil : ^^ Answer is above. It's AS. I'd imagine Piedmont and Mesa run a close 4th and 5th. It can't be any worse for them than it was with Mesa.
44 chrisair : That was the Circle K I bought my (non-winning, unfortunately) Mega-Millions ticket back when the jackpot was some insane number. A guy with a glock
45 bristolflyer : One of the Spring Training venues is right near there.
46 EricR : That is Tempe Diablo Stadium - the spring training facilities for the California Angels.
47 Post contains images PHX787 : When an A-380 lands at PHX for regular service, I will cut my long hair short. My buddy- another long haired metal head- works at the Circle K in Mes
48 wn676 : That's nothing, try the Chevron at 24th/Washington at about 2 am. Or head out to where I used to live in Maryvale at any time of day and take your pi
49 Post contains images RedTailDTW : Before I moved to Phoenix I didn't know any better and I stayed there before my flight the next morning. I don't know how I got through that without
50 Post contains links EricR : Today AZA began the process of making some major overhauls to the terminal facility and will continue every few weeks until the project's completion i
51 Post contains images PHX787 : I think that would be a good idea but it seems like terminal two is heavily used. I think PHX is banking on service expansion from PHX which is heavi
52 EricR : The final concourse was supposed to be reserved for US to accommodate their future growth plans. However, US has been stagnant at best in PHX over th
53 PHX787 : IIRC HA is already planning on moving to T3N Is it under the concourse building or the actual terminal building itself? Where is the baggage recheck?
54 aztrainer : At what cost? I am old enough and have lived here long enough that I remember 24th and 40th st being the only two ways into PHX. Washington area has
55 wn676 : That might be the case. As I recall, the plan for S1 involves a lot of earthwork for a basement facility which, given the soil conditions here, has t
56 wn676 : That depends on when you arrive. It can get pretty busy down there on Saturday afternoons when US has all of it's once-weekly Mexico flights arriving
57 atcsundevil : Rumors for closure/demolition for T2 have been going around for years. At this point, it will not happen any time in the foreseeable future. Part of
58 Post contains links phxa340 : Looks like AZ and Tempe are nervous about the AA merger ... rightfully so. http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/p...-political-leaders-uniting-to.html
59 chrisair : Doesn't America West...err...USAirways run some flights to the big Mexican cities like PVR or CUN? Any word on when Pre-Check will be up and running
60 wn676 : There are 7 international gates; B22 all the way around the horn to B23. B23 and 25 can gate 747s simultaneously, and I think it's either 21 or 19 ca
61 wn676 : Don't forget their 5 daily frequencies to MEX and GDL.
62 PHX787 : Don't quote me but at a Chipotle near the US hqtrs there was talk of a "protest" of some sort against the merger by US employees stationed here. I ov
63 phxa340 : I have a few friends that work on Rio Salado ... they are smart guys with MBAs. They all know their jobs are gone or they are moving to Dallas. Unfor
64 aztrainer : I remember when the was a T-1 and T-2 only. I do wonder how long before T-2 is "renovated" and more wings will extend to the area where T-1 was Locat
65 phxa340 : I have studied a lot of M&A's before and the simple manner in which Parker is approaching this merger is bizzarre to say the least. A lot of of P
66 PHX787 : IMO the whole thing is a lose-lose situation. Oh guys: Any reason why BA288 is still on the ground as of 20:20L? I went there to spot its takeoff and
67 wn676 : It's some sort of fueling delay. Might not have a release which would explain why the doors are still open.
68 PHX787 : I see. Looks like it's gonna take off at 21:17 now. Must be a little frustrating. How are the yields and the loads on this flight? Clearly enough to
69 phxa340 : 15,830 Passengers flew in April of this year which based on the 744 seating config is about a 92% Load Factor - not bad. No idea about yeilds but if
70 Post contains links EricR : Actually, when concourse D was completed in 2005, WN stated they did not see the need for any additional gates in PHX, thus the reason why concourse
71 PHX787 : It does sound pretty strong. She's still on the ground as of 21:50L. Must have been a big issue. Update: took off at 22:22L[Edited 2012-07-20 22:25:1
72 Post contains images atcsundevil : I asked a screener about PreCheck last week while getting my complementary pat-down in T2. He said something like Aug. 26th. I have no clue why it'll
73 chrisair : Training, most likely. I know that's what took so long at PDX. Thanks for the date. Every time I ask I get a blank stare or a rant about how "absurd
74 aztrainer : If forgot about this, but last week (friday) while I was driving on the 202 East as I past IWA/AZA there was an AN-124 on the taxiway. I was going to
75 Post contains images atcsundevil : Training Yeah...something tells these things would happen faster if they didn't always screw around. A friend of mine worked for ZK at PHX for a whil
76 PHX787 : It's been here a few times before, usually picking up and transporting helicopters to the middle east.
77 aztrainer : Thanks, and that would make a lot of sense since I could not find it on Flightaware. I had to do a double take when I relized what it was. Now, I wou
78 PHX787 : Ha! That's hilarious Yes most likely. I saw previously on the D.B. that the last time it was here it was doing such a role. I'll search for the previ
79 PHX787 : Sorry for double post: Looks like some massive dust storms hitting the airport. Lots of diversions and holds.
80 aztrainer : Thanks, I can look it up..... Yep, Circle and hold time now.....
81 Post contains links aztrainer : This is what I have found so far. In 2005 they were also used to transport to Israel. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Polet...d=acfab0a1408ad44db91f26c
82 Post contains images PHX787 : Looks pretty good to me Heads up to the spotters: NWS reporting a haboob around Casa Grande hitting the valley again today. Anybody up for some novel
83 aztrainer : Good luck on that one.....I live in Chandler and it was hit hard yesterday.....It looks like part 2 today.....
84 PHX787 : Can you see anything in Chandler? I can't see anything here in Tempe. Also apparently BA289 was delayed big time today leaving LHR and is scheduled t
85 Post contains images AllegiantFlyer : BA288 is just about worshiped for us aviation folk out here in PHX as it is the biggest bird in the entire state of Arizona! i do hope it stays longer
86 aztrainer : Yeah, it is more SSE today. The normal Monsoon low from Tucson area and I would give it another one to two hours or right before BA-249 is to land. W
87 Post contains images PHX787 : Indeed! Glad it's going daily in November! Yeah there wasn't much in the way of dust as I was driving around. Very STRONG crosswind today though. Jus
88 atcsundevil : The Left Seat actually has pretty good views of aircraft touching down on 8, although they have an annoying mesh fencing in some places that might no
89 mach2is2slowAZ : Chandler was spared today but like aztrainer said my pool is full of dirt today from yesterdays dust storm. Anyone living in the Chandler area remembe
90 Post contains links and images mach2is2slowAZ : I found the article from the San Tan news, has pictures too. It was May of 2007 http://publishing.yudu.com/Library/A...anTanSun5507Issue/resources/11
91 chrisair : They do tours? By the way, why on earth did that big Coyotes banner get taken down from the tower in May, before they lost?
92 wn676 : They closed this past November and moved out to GEU.[Edited 2012-07-23 05:13:11]
93 PHX787 : Someone told me it was blown down by a thunderstorm.
94 aztrainer : On a totally different note. I went to take some pictures today and I noticed that most of US planes has their window shades down. Is US doing this to
95 EricR : I don't think that is specific to US. I've been asked to do this on a lot of AA flights when arriving into PHX and G4 when arriving at AZA.
96 PHX787 : Someone at US told me that they do this to keep the cabin from getting to hot during the summer.
97 Maverick623 : Yep. You'd be surprised at how quickly some of the airplanes (especially the 321s) can heat up. Leaving the window shades up, even with either the gr
98 mach2is2slowAZ : Any ideas on the next airline to start regular scheduled flights out of Williams Gateway? From what I can tell both Sprit and Allegiant are doing very
99 aztrainer : No, I have been on a lot of planes in the summer and you can tell that the APU and Ground could not even keep the plane cool. Nothing like a slow roa
100 PHX787 : Maybe VX might do something, but I have a feeling they'd rather be at Sky Harbor.
101 EricR : I always thought a DL RJ to SLC would work. The demographics would support the flight from an O&D perspective (large Mormon population on both en
102 aztrainer : I do like the idea of DL and RJ service to SLC. The populations are on both sides of the equations. VX - I do not see them using AZA/IWA as the infras
103 AirframeAS : I don't understand all the jiggyness of IWA (AZA) and the airlines serving them or propose to serve the airport. IWA is about a good 35-45 minutes awa
104 PHX787 : Easy- There's a LOT of people in Mesa.
105 treebeard787 : There is plenty of room at PHX for UA AS and ZK if they close T2, ZK could use the commuter gates at T4 North (B concourses) or the commuter gates at
106 AirframeAS : It is not that difficult to get on US60, head west to PHX. I never had a problem with living in Chandler and driving to PHX to fly out to wherever I
107 EricR : The catchment area of AZA is roughly 1 million. In other words, approximately 1 million people live closer to AZA than PHX. This includes the cities
108 treebeard787 : IWA has a large population to draw from and is quite easy to get to from the east valley with the 202 freeway. IWA draws from Mesa, Eastern and South
109 AirframeAS : I understand the population of the East Valley as I have lived in Chandler for 4 years. What I don't get is why anyone would fly G4 or NK, when the se
110 treebeard787 : The thing with G4 is they aren't there to cater to Phoenix traffic, they want to bring people in from smaller towns to Phoenix-Mesa and sell them pac
111 PHX787 : True but the fares these airlines offer are considerably lower. Lots of people use AZA as well if they're going to one of the resorts. My buddy did t
112 aztrainer : To state that IWA is in the middle of nowhere is a little far fetched. I have grown up in AZ and remember when SCF was a small airport like CHD is no
113 Maverick623 : Not a chance. PHX is a good 30 minutes from AZA, and that's with no traffic. ZK would likely go to B15 at T4. AS could fit into T3N (by Delta). As fa
114 Post contains images atcsundevil : Of course, as far as I know, all FAA facilities do tours. They suspended them for a couple of months when that story at JFK ATCT with the kid on freq
115 hz747300 : What's the next airline to serve AWA then? I think it would be someone to SLC--perhaps DL or a DL affiliate. Maybe California Pacific, you know, just
116 93Sierra : Why not a AE flight 1 or 2 times a day to LAX?
117 mach2is2slowAZ : Living in Chandler, Gateway is about 9 miles and or about 10 min drive at best in even the worst traffic. Trying to get to Sky Harbor during rush hou
118 dlramp4life : I go out of town for a week and there is PHX theard I missed out on... shoot.. Some good reads though
119 Post contains images PHX787 : Agreed, however, Is it the city of Tempe that's being a buttface or residents? Because only like 2 or 3% of tempe is in the final approach path of th
120 dlramp4life : Thank you! I think you guys have covered everything... The only thing I can think of is AA ramp being overtaken by a vendor. I have heard rumors AE c
121 aztrainer : Oh, Really.....That is very interesting and I wonder if this means that we will see the HA 330 now that the restrictions from T-3 are gone. Both, Peo
122 dlramp4life : That would be great! Besides gate 26 is a good parking spot to show off an A330. Thank you, it does feel good to back in AZ (sort of) Piedmont does U
123 Post contains images PHX787 : I wonder when they move the gate they'll change the arrival and departure time. I can never get a good clean look at it landing. -_- I'm going to go
124 aztrainer : People complain all of the time about noise, but the new generation engines are so damn quite. I work in Tempe and can tell when HA or DHL take off w
125 Cactus739 : I don't see why they'd change their arrival / departure times just because they're using a different gate.
126 ridgid727 : Thats exactly the case with G4, some cities they used to serve had 85-90% load factors but were at the tbottom of their ancillary fees collections, a
127 aztrainer : I doubt it as HA likes to have all of their Trans pacific flights come in before 10:00 - 12:00 HST to be able to turn the planes for their 14:00 - 16
128 wn676 : I've noticed that HA has been using 26 off and on already for arrivals when B6 is still in the gate. Do they depart from there in the morning as well
129 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Just in- Small plane crashes in Sedona airport. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...hes-catches-fire-at-sedona-airport Update- 3 dead. RIP [Edited
130 mach2is2slowAZ : I hope that everyone is ok! Sedona has a pretty steep drop off at both ends of the runway!
131 dlramp4life : HA will stick to servisair but if they are looking for a new vendor I think DL would fulfill the roll since their new gate is right next to DL's oper
132 Maverick623 : Actually, it came out about 3 years ago that about 80% of the complaints registered were made by less than 10 people. The Tempe government used only
133 93Sierra : Beech Duke was the aircraft type down at KSEZ 3 fatal
134 osubuckeyes : Last year in one of my classes at ASU the mayor talked about how ridiculous the whole thing was, essentially he made it sound like all the municipali
135 atcsundevil : It could be a combination of both, but I think it is primarily the city that raises the most stink. Tempe somehow talked Phoenix into an agreement a
136 aztrainer : If I am remembering correctly, out of the 10 people one person made over 70% of the complaints. It is a total joke about noise. As a person that grew
137 LAXdude1023 : What do you consider a lot? Phoenix's Chinese (and Asian overall) population is actually relatively small.
138 dlramp4life : They sure do! Behind servisair, DL has the most widebody equipment in PHX. They have container loaders and various transporters that handle LD2s/3s,
139 Post contains images AAIL86 : Rumor also has it - because of the business climate in Texas, a certain large airline will be relocating its headquarters
140 Post contains links and images treebeard787 : As dlramp4life said, DL has everything needed to handle a widebody aircraft all the way up to the B747. Earlier this year DL sent in a B747-400 in pl
141 aztrainer : Thanks, I should of known that..... That would of been a cranium-inversion...... What is the morning frequency of DL? I know HA 35 is a 8:00AM MST de
142 PHX787 : I know there's well over 75,000. Easily. In the entire metro area.
143 wn676 : There are just over 32,000 in all of Arizona. The total Asian population in the state is around 177,000.[Edited 2012-07-28 00:38:41]
144 hz747300 : I guess no matter how you state it, there is no communal tie to justify Asian service. I think the people of Arizona are content to one hop it just a
145 PHX787 : What then justifies Asian service out of DEN?
146 hz747300 : Who knows, but safe to say it is not the large Japanese population in Colorado than warranted service between the two. It could be size, currently, D
147 Post contains links EricR : There are 4 main factors that help support international flights, and the local ethnic population is only one factor. You also need to factor in the
148 4holer : I'm a fairly frequent Grand Canyon hiker and as anyone who visits the Park can tell you, there are busloads of Japanese tourists roaming the Canyon r
149 PHX787 : I believe that's the case with BA 289. More Britons coming over than us going back. Or I may be mistaken
150 aztrainer : Agree, especially when you see that US does not fly into Asia and they are the #1 airline at PHX. The ONLY way I think that an Asia to PHX will work
151 treebeard787 : BA289 is the inbound LHR-PHX leg and won't have weight restrictions. As far as I know BA288 PHX-LHR doesn't have any problems getting out with a full
152 wn676 : Probably not to the point where they're blocking seats off. The flight could conceivably be weight restricted every day but depending on the freight
153 aztrainer : OK, Thanks for the information. My fear on any long haul flight is that during the summer there would be weight restrictions. But if LH and BA did the
154 wn676 : I think weather is somewhat of an afterthought when optimizing a route network, especially when there are other factors that outweigh a negative vari
155 Post contains images point2point : I think that the DEN winter weather situation may be somewhat exaggerated. Denver has some 300 days of sunshine every year, although there are anomal
156 atcsundevil : People have droned on for years about how PHX could support service to NRT, FRA, etc. Sorry, but it just isn't true. There's a reason they haven't mat
157 EricR : If the world remained constant, then I would agree. However, the world is constantly evolving. The introduction of smaller, longer ranged aircraft co
158 Post contains images PHX787 : It also takes off in the evening when it isn't so hot out. I'll contact my connections with the Yakuza Well it COULD have that stuff. Could be market
159 aztrainer : This is one thing about statistics that I cannot stand. You can take data and make it state what every you want. Is there data that could be accounte
160 Cactus739 : Yes but where could you connect to that you can't connect to already from a hub that demands Asia flights? Yuma? Flagstaff? Show Low? Sure you can co
161 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : From an East to West connection perspective PHX is limited due to its location being further south and west than Denver. With LAS,LAX and SLC so close
162 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : With due respect, you seem to be confused on what demographic groups exist in the Phoenix area by size. Respectfully, here are the demographics of th
163 Post contains images atcsundevil : Yeah, you're right, I conveniently forgot to factor in the rapid growth . It doesn't make a bit of difference. The market in Phoenix is completely de
164 treebeard787 : Actually BA started flying to PHX way back in 1996 using DC-10s from LGW. They replaced the DC10 with 6x weekly B747-400s still from LGW, and they al
165 Post contains links aztrainer : If I remember correctly they downgraded to the 772 because they needed the 774 on a better yielding route. Then they upgraded to the 744, and six day
166 Post contains images phxa340 : I was curious about the same thing so I asked over in the tech ops and common consensus was that LH never took a weight penalty for the PHX flight. T
167 LAXdude1023 : Typically International O&D comes from any combo of three things: 1) VFR. Outside of Mexico, Phoenix doesnt have enough to warrant a flight to an
168 atcsundevil : I didn't know about the previous routes -- I've only lived here since 2007. Its been a 744 to LHR the whole time I've been here. I only knew about th
169 PHX787 : Thanks for that information. While not nearly as up-to-numbers as LAX it still would probably be a good connection from PHX to NRT and then subsequen
170 phxa340 : If the price is right , customers would connect through DSM for all they care. An Asian flight from PHX is probably not going to happen anytime soon.
171 dlramp4life : You don't have to go through LAX when coming from Japan, there is also SFO, SEA, PDX, SLC, and HNL. PHX can do international but besides BA or anothe
172 Post contains images chrisair : There are Cubans in Arizona? Even the newer deliveries with the new engines? Tell them to get Global Entry (assuming they're US Citizens) and to conn
173 Post contains links aztrainer : Copied this from an OLD thread as I started to wonder if I was remembering correctly. This was way back when they first started to fly to PHX. "Havin
174 phxa340 : WN might but more realistically I just see DL, UA etc increasing frequencies to their hubs. Yup , why have PHX-HNL or OGG flights anymore when you ca
175 treebeard787 : Because US makes money flying those routes and there is a lot of demand for PHX-Hawaii service. PHX-HNL has 3 daily non-stops alone, two by US and on
176 treebeard787 : US has shown interest in starting international flights from PHX, the two biggest reasons they haven't yet is one, they don't have enough A332s avail
177 wn676 : Three by US and one by HA currently, although the third US flight (alternates between US28/33 and US25/21) drops off after Labor Day. US also operate
178 wn676 : There aren't any significant differences with the new deliveries in terms of performance. They have the same takeoff weights and limitations and take
179 Post contains links and images phxa340 : US is on record as saying the PHX has the best performance as in non-delayed flights. They are very clear that it isn't a hub that makes a whole ton
180 aztrainer : This is one of the statistics one that can be manipulated. PHX does not have that much premium flight out of PHX and thus they would not have that hi
181 Maverick623 : There's simply no more room at LAX for them to steal anything from PHX. Just sayin'...
182 phxa340 : Agreed but there is some wiggle room. DFW however ....
183 Post contains images commavia : Yep. I continue to believe that post-merger, Phoenix's bigger long-term competitor would be D/FW, not LAX. LAX could - and likely would - pick up som
184 Post contains links EricR : You are basing your predictions solely based on what happened in the past, but not factoring in those items that will impact the future. LH's unsucce
185 Post contains images wn676 : Well they definitely aren't fully loaded for an island trip then.
186 aztrainer : OK, how much of a differences is there in the cost of operating a flight from an airport like LAX, SFO or DFW vs that of PHX. I am wondering if they p
187 EricR : Ok. Fair point. So I looked at 2006 which is arguably the height of the construction bubble and construction was #4. But the overarching issue is not
188 commavia : I would guess PHX is probably has the lowest cost per enplanement of those airports. Nonetheless, it also has the smallest, weakest, and lowest-yield
189 hz747300 : Exactly right, a US/AA merger will hurt US/AA business in PHX, it will be necessity reduce its operations. I argue that Aeromexico, Viva Airbus, etc.
190 wn676 : Right, I think that's implied, I was just responding to an earlier comment. Just out of curiosity, why do you think they would decrease mainline ops
191 commavia : Because - I believe - the hub would be shrinking substantially in general, and as such, capacity would come down with it, both in the form of both re
192 EricR : Yep. I continue to believe that post-merger, Phoenix's bigger long-term competitor would be D/FW, not LAX. LAX could - and likely would - pick up some
193 osubuckeyes : Even if the overhead is lower for regional, it seems that PHX's yields warrant mainline, regardless of lower overhead, based on the fact that most ev
194 aztrainer : I think it is a logical argument that a US/AA merger would cause the reduction of PHX. How much will be interesting to see and I also wonder if they w
195 Post contains images PHX787 : Not US citizens. As I said, Asian citizens. there's 3 million in the metro area alone and I'm assuming some of them wanna go to Hawaii sometime. Thoe
196 phxa340 : Because they will make more money .... lots more money. LAX isn't that crowded , it is gate constrained but no where near the definition on constrain
197 treebeard787 : I don't have any source other than if PHX-HNL doesn't make money then why do they fly the route? US is up to 3 daily flights right now, with two of t
198 phxa340 : Fair enough , but how else would US get passengers to Hawaii without the PHX flight ? If they want a presence in that market ...they need these fligh
199 aztrainer : As a person whom has been on both US and HA flights I can say that it is very popular. HA's demand out of PHX is at about 85%. Every flight I have be
200 treebeard787 : Well they could set up a code share with HA's HNL-PHX flight like HP did from 2002 to 2005 before they started their non-stop service, and they could
201 phxa340 : Thats all fine but only ~35% of US' Hawaii customers are coming from AZ , the rest are connecting. So they could connect 65% of their passengers thro
202 Post contains images PHX787 : Well when it comes to debates whether to keep an airline in an airport or not, you gotta present the good points.
203 aztrainer : Well, Luke got the F-35..... Guess I am going to be visiting my parents in Goodyear a lot more.
204 dlramp4life : I know people that live around Luke will not be fans but that is what happens when you live near an airport or military base. But this is great news
205 aztrainer : I agree that it is great for Luke as well as the surrounding area. $100 million in economic support and boost as they need to upgrade for 100 F-35's
206 Maverick623 : Most of the NIMBYs south of the base have moved either farther west or lost their homes to foreclosure. Sun City is to the north, and as it's a retir
207 Post contains images PHX787 : I wouldn't mind living under the flight path of an F35 at all
208 Post contains images PHX787 : Just a quick heads up, Since I am usually in a bad place for internet connection (and also some of our fellow a.netters) I will cap this thread at 25
209 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : Living in Chandler we never see F-16s from Luke so I don’t expect to see the new F-35 anytime soon. I do however get to see numerous F-18s and AV-8B
210 aztrainer : I would not say never as there are a few times that there are F-16s flying into and out of Chandler. We also see a lot of UH-60's, CH-53 and UH-47's,
211 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : That is true; just a few days ago a C-17 flew over my house at 2500 feet. (Cooper and Queen Creek) Heard them talking to Chandler tower requesting to
212 aztrainer : I have a question that I someone may know. With Luke getting the F-35 are they still going to keep the TW for the Singapore Air Force (56thOG/425th FS
213 Post contains links PHX787 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...0/history/20120803/0900Z/KPHX/KFLL looks like a B6 flight diverted to PHX because of an ill captain. Interestin
214 Post contains links and images dlramp4life : This just hit me today, last summer the airport had a display about the history of the airport and showed pictures of T3 when it first opened in the l
215 BA744PHX : Does anyone know how NK is doing in both AZA-LAS/ DFW? outside of ORD that was recently announced are other routes possible DEN? LAX? FLL? What are yo
216 hz747300 : When I check the DOT a few months ago, the flights were seemingly 65-70% full. LAX would probably do well, hopefully they get better hours on the dep
217 aztrainer : Well, I can remember the 80's and 90's but the 70's is a little too distant for me. Take T-4 and move it to T-3. Just looking at KPHX you can see the
218 phxa340 : Average fares from PHX to HNL are 530 with a load factor of 88%. HA has more marketshare than US. 39% of PHX passengers choose to connect while the r
219 chrisair : That walkway is still there. I used it last Thursday, in fact. I like being outside, but I hate the sell job I get when I walk past the limos at T2.
220 mach2is2slowaz : Western Airlines - They merged with Delta on Sept 8th 1986. I was a shuttle bus driver in Albuquerque at the time and both Western and Delta flight c
221 dlramp4life : What new walkway? near the lightrail tracks? Old jetway marks where gates 21 and 22 sat, Republic FOD buckets, Old HP locker room, and markings on fa
222 chrisair : Supposedly they're building a walkway from T2 to the T3 light rail station. Got it. A few years ago, the old WN jetways in TUS used to have markings
223 93Sierra : There is a thread about a new route being announced tomorrow at gateway for those interested. Have a good night, great lighting storm tonight
224 Post contains images SANFan : I just posted over on the "New Airline To Be Announced at Mesa"-thread that I feel SAN-AZA would be a good fit for NK. SAN is the 4th largest market
225 PHX787 : And I'm missing it -_- Well it wouldn't be NK as they already serve Mesa
226 ba744phx : Well it looks like F9 is going into AZA[Edited 2012-08-06 05:18:38] ops posted on wrong forum[Edited 2012-08-06 05:19:40]
227 ACJFLYER : Having spent endless hours spotting at AZA I can't wait to see the F9 colors grace the skies. Exciting news for the East Valley! I think they will hav
228 Post contains images point2point : And this is going to be a step in the right direction to make AZA more of a full fledged airport. AZA has been mostly O&D (and probably more of t
229 Post contains images ba744phx : NK will start ORD-AZA on November 9
230 Post contains images PHX787 : That's ok it's PHX related Now here's my question, this time related to PHX- is F9 going to drop PHX, then? Or run them concurrently?
231 ACJFLYER : The schedule shows that they are flying both PHX-DEN and AZA-DEN. The Phoenix metro is large enough with a large amount of people in the east valley
232 Post contains images point2point : Oh yes, forgot about that....... duh me, eh? Anyway, will there be any connect opportunities with that? LGA? BOS? ACY even? Good to see AZA growing u
233 dlramp4life : G4 serves charter service to IFP every two months or so on the MD-87 from AZA. Also I believe SY flies into the airport as charter service only.
234 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : Sorry for what may sound like a dumb qestion but what is O&D? I am new to this forum.
235 treebeard787 : It stands for Origin and Destination. People traveling from point A to point B without connecting anywhere else.
236 Post contains links and images treebeard787 : I just flew on a Delta flight from T3 the other day and took a picture of the old Northwest gates. Gate 26 still had a taxiway marking for parking B7
237 PHX787 : What's going on at gate 25?
238 dlramp4life : But yet they are parking the HA 767 over there now... Thank you for the pictures. It is sad to see only one sometimes two of the former NW gates occu
239 Post contains links and images DesertFlyer : PHX just tweeted a picture of the first 744 to go under the Sky Train bridge (BA of course): Source: http://twitter.com/PHXSkyHarbor/stat...s/23293385
240 phxa340 : The skybridge is 100 Ft Tall Boeing 747 : 63ft 8in Airbus A380 : 79 Ft So technically if PHX ever got A380 service, one can dream, it would be able t
241 Maverick623 : Might be the first official picture, but it's probably not the first time it's gone under the bridge... that happened months ago when 26 was shut dow
242 wn676 : Yes, I remember watching it taxi under the bridge multiple times back in January. Since BA's winter schedule has the aircraft arriving and departing
243 dlramp4life : Agreed, I would say it was taken over the weekend when the north runway was closed for routine repairs
244 PHX787 : I was going to say because the BA plane never usually goes under that bridge.
245 Post contains images PHX787 : A quick question to AS flyers in PHX- how often do they fly to PHX? I know it depends on the day but I had major issues trying to get into PHX connect
246 chrisair : There are 5 flights a day. You can also route through LAX to Eagle or DL/Skywest. If you're creative you can route to any SoCal airport or LAS and pi
247 PHX787 : I see, that makes sense. DL ended up routing me through SLC (I ended up passing out on the SLC flight to PHX and the person sitting next to me had to
248 dlramp4life : When working OO flights to LAX, you will sometimes see there are more QX and AS bags then DL bags. I don't think the airports will compete. F9 is onl
249 chrisair : Was there a Russian plane at the ANG/Swift ramp on Tuesday? I saw something that looked like a Russian 757, but only had a quick glimpse as we took of
250 aztrainer : I am wondering if they are going to funnel the DEN flights to AZA to go into Mexico. There is probably more of a call for it in PHX than DEN and it i
251 Post contains links PHX787 : I just dug through Flightaware but I couldn't find anything, except for this: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N4121T Apparently there's a Bagdad,
252 aztrainer : Yes there is and it is a mining town like a lot of Arizona towns. There is also a Miami, AZ also. (BUT you better pronounce it Mi-am-A and not like t
253 Post contains links 4holer : That'd be a Tu-204 per http://www.visitingphx.com/charters.html I was a little surprised no one here had mentioned it! I was personally wondering if
254 PHX787 : Wow that's shocking to see a 204 in the valley! And the buyer is actually a guy who used to own San Jose edit: Looks like a haboob......again. How do
255 aztrainer : Tu-204 or also the 757ski..... IFR landing when in a dust storm with a larger separation. I would think wind sheer would also be more prevalent. I fee
256 Maverick623 : Along with a Bumble Bee, Nowhere, Why, Crown King, Surprise, and a few other oddball names.
257 mach2is2slowaz : How much longer does anyone guess before IWA airspace goes from Class D to Class C. I am a hot air balloon pilot who flies in the Chandler area and th
258 PHX787 : I would expect the change to happen maybe when F9 begins service. The more flights at AZA being added, obviously the sooner the airspace will change.
259 Maverick623 : I don't think one extra flight a day is enough to justify changing airspace class. If G4 and NK start adding frequencies, it'll happen sooner.
260 runzel : Hope my query not too trivial, is there a good aircraft spotting place at Sky Harbour, that can be reached by car, to allow an almost (75%) disabled e
261 wn676 : PHX doesn't have an enroute facility, that function is handled by ZAB.
262 PHX787 : Well the terminal 4 garage is accessable by car. The only problem is there's about a 4 foot wall at the top of the garage preventing people from fall
263 mach2is2slowaz : I have heard rumors about the IWA airspace reclassification from Class D to Class C and that many pilots who fly into CHD are not very happy about it.
264 PHX787 : Hey guys in the tower I had a question: I was volunteering in terminal 3 and 4 yesterday and saw DL sent a charter from SNA to PHX. What was that abou
265 acjflyer : The storm that passed through the valley last night presented some very interesting diversions. Frontier diverted a flight to AZA and GYR. I've also g
266 Seabiscuit : If you like corporate aircraft, try the south end off 24th street. 24th and i think old tower road. If you like to see landings of large a/c and such
267 PHX787 : GYR?? That's strange. Upload the photo! I want to see it!
268 skywaymanaz : Looks like the AZA diversion was flight 861 DEN-PHX. Can't seem to find the GYR diversion. I see there was an F9 test flight of some sort to southeas
269 PHX787 : Anybody wanna tell me why I saw an HA plane landing from OAK around 4:30PM today? I was rather surprised.
270 wn676 : Oakland Raiders charter.
271 PHX787 : Dang I wish I heard about this earlier. When I'm not with people I usually am at the airport at that time filming the BA plane.
272 Post contains images chrisair : Shouldn't you be in school by now? You ASU kids are making my preferred Paradise Bakery at Tempe Marketplace very crowded.
273 Post contains images PHX787 : hahaha! I've been volunteering actually welcoming the new International students into ASU. We actually start classes on the 23rd
274 cjpmaestro : I was just reading that the DOT denied Delta's application to move DTW-HND service to SEA-HND and a full review process must be followed. That being s
275 wn676 : Most likely not. The route would have to have good connectivity on both ends, something that the current slot restrictions at HND cannot accomodate.
276 Post contains images PHX787 : Unless US is operating a successful NRT operation they won't have any chance at making HND work well, especially given the restrictions at HND.
277 atcsundevil : There's no simple answer to that. Long story short, it's at least 4-5 years off. The airspace, as I'm sure you know, is very complex in the easy vall
278 Post contains links and images SA7700 : This thread has become quite long and difficult to follow for some users. The thread will therefore be locked and any posts added after the thread loc
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