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Very Roundabout Route For AA's BOS-SAN  
User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10114 times:

Hey all,

I know that the US northeast was a total mess today with t-storms. I was looking at some random flights, and noticed this. I would guess this route was to avoid some storms, but this is VERY out of the way:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20120718/2135Z/KJFK/KSAN

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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4470 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10061 times:

You mean JFK-SAN, yes?

Well, fortunately it's not a 738 and it's a 763.  


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9804 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
You mean JFK-SAN, yes?

Oooops, well at least it was in the northeast!!   


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9740 times:

Depends on the upper winds just how "out of the way" it really was. Just by taking a quick look, though, you can see they've avoided a number of storms, and their filed time is only 20 minutes longer than the weekly average.


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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9686 times:

AA would rather add some distance to the route and get around the storms in Kentucky//West Virginia and the Chicago area (as well as other storms), rather than wasting time flying through the storm (not to mention possible severe turbulence if they chose to fly through the storm). It's easier and safer just to fly around storms and spend a little more time in the air.

User currently onlinebarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 965 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

We recently did a similar routing on a similar city pairing BDL-LAS. We utilized a best wind route, and even though it was 200nm farther than a direct routing, it was 35 minutes faster.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

It looks very similar to the July 13 track for that flight.


A few years ago we flew a BDL-DFW trip on AA. It took an hour longer than the normal flight, and we were happy because the departure from BDL was delayed six hours due to storms in both the northeast and across the south/ center of the country.

When I got home, I checked the track on FlightAware. We had flown from BDL to Toronto - across to Minneapolis over South Dakota and southwest to the corner of Colorado, Kansas and Nebraska - then south to near Lubbock and then to DFW.

Throughout the flight we could see huge thunderstorms with tops much higher than we flew to the south, and eventually to the east. DFW was a mess with late, delayed and cancelled flights.

I flew through a thunderstorm day like that back in 1974 - and it was the roughest flight I've ever been own. Always happy to fly out of the way to avoid such weather.

[Edited 2012-07-19 06:32:19]

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4470 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Normally, AA's MIA-ORD flights head right over ATL and southwest Indiana and then up to ORD. I was on an AA MIA-ORD flight once that took an hour longer due to thunderstorms over ATL, so we went over TPA, MEM, STL and eastern Iowa and came in from the west.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6869 times:

That's not bad at all. I did a JFK-SAN flight a few years ago, went all the way up along the US/Canada border due to nasty weather in the NE and Ohio Valley, then we went south....WAAAAY south, heading over the US/Mexico boarder somewhere around Western Texas due to some huge storm system over most of the western 1/3 of the US that was swooping in from Canada. 6 hours, 17 minutes. I wanted to bang my head on the sidewall until I blacked out LOL.


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User currently offlinecivetfive From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

That's not too atypical. I fly LAX/SFO-JFK r/t about a dozen times a year, its not unusual to fly into Minnesota and then cut down around South Dakota like they did. On at least 1 occasion I can remember, we didn't cut south until almost Idaho.

User currently offlineATCguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

As an air traffic controller, I see crazy routes all the time. Airlines file seemly longer mileage routes all year long, even when there isn't a single storm in the entire country. The most beneficial route for any given flight depends on upper winds/storms/turbulence forecasts/mountain wave, etc. It especially varies during the winder when the jet stream often exceeds well over 100 mph out of the west. Airlines will fly most anywhere to avoid a 100+ mph headwind.

While this particular route looks to be for weather, no particular flight is guaranteed to fly the same route on different days, even if there are no storms in the flight path on either day.


User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

FWIW. According to the FAA website (ATCSCC) which posts airport delay status, a lot of flight routes were closed that day in the NE area. I don't ever recall seeing that listed as reason for delays before. Usually they just list the weather issues that are affecting a particular airport.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2635 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
Depends on the upper winds just how "out of the way" it really was. Just by taking a quick look, though, you can see they've avoided a number of storms, and their filed time is only 20 minutes longer than the weekly average.

While the jetstream appears north of the routing, the routing is closer to heading into the jetstream and would have more headwinds than a more southerly routing.


User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Would be a great flight if you purchased miles for first. You would have been able to enjoy it for a long period!      



I remember flying DFW-JFK on DL in first on mainline MD-80 and we had to go around storms which pushed us out to JAX then up over Chesapeake Bay then finally to JFK. I was one of 3 in First and I had the bulkhead to myself. Great cloud formations. We were just a little later than stated but still made my flight to FCO.


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