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Close Call : 737 Wingtip Smashed Into Runway  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 37146 times:

Although there where no injuries and the crew managed to Go Around and land safely in other airport, certainly this could be one of the more serious incidents in Chile in the last few years. Sky Ariline B 737 200 trying to land in La Serena had to divert to Copiapo after the right wingtip contacted for seconds with the runway surface.
Pictures :









There is a video of the aborted landing somewhere, but I couldn't find yet.

Rgds.
G.


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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 37152 times:

Video in this link ( scroll down the pictures ).

http://www.24horas.cl/nacional/avion...s-al-aterrizar-en-la-serena-226769




Apparently they were doing a crosswind landing but something goes wrong ( wind gust ? ) when de-crabbing, the Go Around was really the only option they had.

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 37023 times:

Can't see the video. Do you have a direct link?

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 36687 times:

Looks like the new raked wingtips of the 787! LOL!


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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8998 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 36440 times:

Off runway centerline by a fair way judging by the location of the centerline visible in the video.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 36182 times:

We sometimes hear stories of "OMG my plane wing scrapped the runway"

This time it was true.

The video is from inside the aircraft in front of the wing showing the runway surface on the right side of the plane. It does not show the wing touching the ground - the camera being aimed too far forward - and that seat may not have had a view of the wing tip anyway.

The video shows right before touchdown. The plane comes in close to the runway surface and moves quite quickly left of the centerline. There is a light jarring of the camera and the plane appears to be pulling away from the runway.

Good job on going around. There was a thread on this forum a couple days ago about an off runway incident supposedly from a crew forcing such a landing.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 36091 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
There was a thread on this forum a couple days ago about an off runway incident supposedly from a crew forcing such a landing.
GA 738 Off Runway In Pekanbaru (by Gonzalo Jul 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)

I started that thread too ( I was again the carrier of the bad news ).... funny how our minds works, this thread about Indonesia ( where an accident happened possibly because they didn't make a Go Around ) was basically ignored by everyone, and this where the runway excursion was avoided by the Go Around, is apparently much more interesting due to a wingtip scrapping...

Rgds.

G.

[Edited 2012-07-19 06:56:24]


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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 33994 times:

Flight was Sky Ariline 101 from Antofagasta to Santiago, with stop in La Serena.

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=CI28038&sch=SCSE


The airport in La Serena ( named La Florida ) is at the ( flat ) top of a hill when you land looking to the East, or you can have a panoramic approach making turns between the hills when you land looking to the west. No ILS, and a 6.300 ft runway.

Most part of the time has a very friendly weather, soft winds and sun, but sometimes can be tricky, in adverse conditions you can have dense fog ( no wind but no visibility either ), or good visibility but strong winds ( seems to be the case of this aborted landing ). I have tattooed in my brain two shaky Go Around on board of 732's trying to land here.

The thing that puzzles me a little is why they diverted to Copiapo instead Santiago, the distance is only 40 nm shorter ( and the difference in terms of all kind of facilities or emergency services is big )


Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineOllieJolly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 33792 times:

Looks like it could be CC-CTK?
Also as I don't see it on any other 732 photos that I've looked at in the last few minutes, is it just a trick of the light or is there a burnt area on the fuselage? Is this a result of the incident or?

Either that or it's something completely obvious that I don't know about.

Edit: After looking at the news article I see on the low quality picture of passengers leaving the aircraft that it looks to have one on the other side too making me wonder if it's just a result of exhaust from the engines?



[Edited 2012-07-19 08:44:11]

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 32818 times:

Quoting OllieJolly (Reply 8):
After looking at the news article I see on the low quality picture of passengers leaving the aircraft that it looks to have one on the other side too making me wonder if it's just a result of exhaust from the engines?

Possibly from the reversers:


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Looks like something the Spanish Inquisition would call "Mr. Thingy". **Edit: I was thinking of an episode of Blackadder but, on second thoughts, credit must go to Gary Larson.

[Edited 2012-07-19 09:09:22]

[Edited 2012-07-19 09:09:46]

User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 31399 times:
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From the last photo in the original post, it looks like they got the outer flap track fairing too. It seems like they'd have had to drag the engine too, to get that to happen. Or has it just been partially removed in that photo?

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3049 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 31088 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 7):
The thing that puzzles me a little is why they diverted to Copiapo instead Santiago, the distance is only 40 nm shorter

Probably because the most important thing was to get to the nearest suitable airport as quickly as possible. Maybe that extra few minutes diverting to SCL could mean the difference between landing safely or there being catastrophic structural failure in the wing. The crew had no way of knowing that.

This was not a case of a diversion where they can just go to the most convenient place where there are good maintenance facilities and the passengers can be accommodated, and there is a nice terminal. This was potentially a very significant emergency where the difference of minutes might count for survival. The crew could not be assured of the structural integrity of the wing and how long it was going to hold together. The also probably felt that the conditions were not suitable to try to land again at the wing-scrape airport, given the uncertainty of the condition of the airplane.

I'm speculating the Captain's thought process, but in my mind he made the right decision in getting the airplane on the ground at a safe airport ASAP.


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 28614 times:

Given that it is a 732, if they also dragged the engine, and they would have to look at the wing, control surfaces ect. that the frame is probably done?


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 28550 times:

Quoting rwessel (Reply 10):
From the last photo in the original post, it looks like they got the outer flap track fairing too. It seems like they'd have had to drag the engine too, to get that to happen. Or has it just been partially removed in that photo?

Probably not. Don't forget since the aircraft was in landing configuration, the flaps are down pretty far. If they draffed the flaps on a clean wing, that would be a different story.



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User currently offlineusafret From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 27113 times:

Looks like a fairly old 737! Glad everyone is ok.

User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1586 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 26998 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
Off runway centerline by a fair way judging by the location of the centerline visible in the video.

Wow yeah, way off centerline. I only got one view of the video due to this crappy hotel internet, but it almost looks like they were still making the turn to line up with the centerline as they were in the last 100 or so feet there. I didn't see when this happened exactly but the METAR's from the last 36 hours show very light winds.



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User currently offlineb767 From Norway, joined Feb 2008, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 24564 times:

In a situation like this,has it ever happend that an aileron have been jammed because of it,and if it does, will it affect the other aileron and the roll spoilers?

User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22683 times:

Quoting b767 (Reply 16):

In a situation like this,has it ever happend that an aileron have been jammed because of it,and if it does, will it affect the other aileron and the roll spoilers?

There is a breakout if one aileron is jammed allowing the other to operate normally. The spoilers augment the ailerons in certain conditions. So you will mostly likely not encounter a condition where both ailerons and all flight spoilers become inop.


User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12489 times:

I found this passenger video of the attempted landing. I can't get the videos to play in the first reply, so I'm not sure if this was included in that.

All I can say is that was one wild landing attempt. It looked like they were at about a 30 degree angle crossing the threshold and almost went into the grass to the left, only to correct back to the right and come close to leaving the runway on that side before they finally became airborne again. Somehow, the passenger filming never moves the camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doqAUV5ET5g

[Edited 2012-07-20 12:51:50]

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8998 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12398 times:

Quoting rwessel (Reply 10):

Maybe that I a result of retracting the flaps after the go around.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 11):

The other issue is fuel, they would burn around 150% more fuel (I.e. normal fuel + 150%) to get to the alternate with flaps down, no guarantee they would retract.



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User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12326 times:

I wonder if the bird will be writtin off? Sad to see this on any aircraft, but there are so few -200's left.

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12240 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 18):
I'm not sure if this was included in that.

That appears to be the original video. The short clip included in the news segment linked above only shows the aircraft over the runway and the bump when the wing hit the runway. The TV clip doesn't include the movement back across the runway and the liftoff.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 20):
I wonder if the bird will be writtin off? Sad to see this on any aircraft, but there are so few -200's left.

I wonder that, too. The frame is very old and has to be worth very little. It wouldn't take a lot of damage to be worth a W/O, I'm afraid.

If the spar is affected, I'm certain that this bird will have a new career in the beverage business.  


User currently offlineOllieJolly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

Wow I didn't get to see the video because the page wouldn't load for me yesterday but I just viewed it on YouTube and I didn't expect what I saw. I assumed the aircraft was landing normally and did a "sway" right such as the Lufthansa A320(?) landing. It really came across the runway at an angle didn't it?

Also, has anyone confirmed which aircraft this was yet? Apologies if I've missed something.


User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11813 times:

Quoting OllieJolly (Reply 8):
Looks like it could be CC-CTK?

CC-CRQ.

http://cdn.airnation.net/wp-content/..._la_serena_3zx5-e1342814282993.jpg


25 SCL767 : Sky Airline is in the process of renewing its fleet and is phasing out their B732s in favor of A320 family a/c. Sky Airline will soon receive another
26 Post contains links and images Birdwatching : Wow, interesting stuff. This event is an example of how well documented incidents are in our age of smartphones. We have a video of the actual landing
27 Post contains images 4tet : I've just made a little photoshop, I've put first the lines on the video and then I've shrinked them toghether, thus mantaining the proportions... Any
28 Post contains links SCL767 : DGAC is investigating three different incidents that occurred this week involving the carrier. DGAC y caso Sky Airlines: "De haber vulnerado una norma
29 rfields5421 : Your course has the plane about 50 degrees off the runway heading at 1,300 feet distance. I believe your are putting the plane at least 1,000 feet to
30 MikeCT : Interesting drawing. After looking at that, I watched the video again, and it does seem like for the last 10 or 15 seconds before crossing the thresh
31 rfields5421 : Yes and no. My third landing in a GA aircraft in training was such a curve - through in calm winds. Because the tower wanted me in and to complete th
32 Post contains images Birdwatching : Can it be that the plane almost crashed because the passenger was filming when all electronic equipment should have been turned off? We've been told f
33 rfields5421 : No. This landing attempt was obviously a visual approach. I most strongly advocate against using electronics aboard aircraft at critical phases of fli
34 MikeCT : I'm thinking Soren may have been saying that in a tongue-in-cheek manner.
35 KDAYflyer : Sounds like this bird is toast.
36 4tet : I understand it in the crowded NYC airspace, but it is really needed to do this when you have plenty of space to align to the runway?
37 Post contains links and images Gonzalo : New Video of the Sky 101 accident, this time from the observation deck in La Florida Airport. The man who is filming exclaims NO MY GOD NO !! when he
38 acontador : Normally I would never even venture into speculating about these kind of accidents (safety of passengers was compromised, even if no one was hurt), bu
39 rfields5421 : Re: That could be the reason the following would not be a good practice. I've seen airports where stabilizing on the runway center-line on certain day
40 Post contains links SCL767 : Yet another A-319 will join H2's fleet soon that was also in service with EasyJet (G-EZEP). Today, another Sky Airline flight made an emergency landi
41 Post contains links Gonzalo : After Four incidents in a few days, today the aviation authorities of Chile, the DGAC, confirmed to the press that a full audit will be performed wit
42 bennett123 : Whilst apparently unrelated, perhaps they are concerned about a general malaise.
43 acontador : METAR for the relevant time of the accident: SCSE 182100Z 29007KT 6000 SCT010 BKN013 11/09 Q1012 [17:00 LT / 21:00 UTC: Wind 290 degrees at 7 knots; V
44 Post contains links flyjoe : The above link for chilivision.cl wouldn't load the image, but it's not linked to YouTube. It looks like it's very windy out beyond the runway towards
45 Post contains links Gonzalo : They changed the location of the video. Try this link : http://www.chilevision.cl/home/content/view/428532/881/ Rgds. G.
46 Post contains links Gonzalo : I don't know who made this , ( and obviously the Investigation will tell us exactly what happened) , but still , I think is interesting. http://www.yo
47 rfields5421 : I would be surprised if it was not made by 4tet who did the sills above. It still offsets the aircraft position as about 1,000 feet (350M) too close
48 Post contains links and images Gonzalo : In one of the most ridiculous twist of an air travel incident for the recent times, today was presented a class action in a Chilean court against the
49 acontador : Gonzalo, I don't know how "ridiculous" this case really is, and I think you are doing the same mistake you are blaming on this lawyer/passengers, tha
50 Cubsrule : Windshear seems to be a fairly common occurrence at all of the coastal airports in the Atacama. I've had worse windshear episodes at IQQ and ANF than
51 HAWK21M : Could have been serious.....Remember something similiar on a B732 at CJB in bad weather/rain,After impacting the wingtip on landing ,the aircraft took
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