Canflight From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
Does anyone think Island Air would eventually take on HA to the mainland? Is the regional airline that takes on the legacy the next big thing. Think Porter...
Hawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2174 times:
I think it's highly unlikely unless they were willing to compete with HA and the other half dozen airlines that already fly between Hawaii and the mainland. They would also require larger aircraft and considering they are investing in newer regional turboprops (ATR 42 and 72), it's not going to happen.
Does anyone think Island Air would eventually take on HA to the mainland? Is the regional airline that takes on the legacy the next big thing. Think Porter...
Why think Porter? I don't see Porter operating anything but the Q400. Island Air will probably score a few codeshare partners down the road. One Hawaii-based major airline is enough.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
Quoting Canflight (Thread starter): Does anyone think Island Air would eventually take on HA to the mainland?
If they were to do so, they probably would have done it in the wake of Aloha's demise.
At this point, the Hawaii to the Mainland market is pretty close to being saturated. You've got Hawaiian, Delta, United, US Airways, Alaska, Allegiant, WestJet, Air Canada, American, as well as Omni Air International's charters to LAS on behalf of Boyd Gaming. Allegiant is just now beginning their services and will add service to additional West Coast markets. Let's also not forget that Southwest is likely to be jumping on the Hawaii market as well in the near future.
Canflight From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1638 times:
Is traffic up? It seems like there are limited options for Canadians. I remember when Wardair had direct flights from Winnipeg, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Victoria, Toronto. Did Hawaii fall out of favour with Canadians? Maybe Island Air should take a crack at contract flying with a big tour operator here and feed their local traffic.
aloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2304 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
Currently, not a chance in.....you know where.
In 20 or 30 years if they've grown into a legitimate "Aloha" style interisland competitor to HA, I could see them trying something to the mainland BUT I think its HIGHLY unlikely they will ever grow beyond their current niche (Hawaii interisland).
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Canflight From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
I wonder if they should take on Canada? It seems like WardAir used to have a lot of traffic? Maybe they should focus on that market? Or what about other Pan Asian countries?
usxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 832 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (10 months 5 days ago) and read 1257 times:
I'm not sure Island Air is in a position to bring on any more codeshares - they run a lousy operation out there... flights constantly late, misconnecting with other airlines (including HA), etc. I'm not sure if they publish their on time rates, but I'd try to hide them!
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3175 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1217 times:
Quoting Canflight (Reply 7):
Is traffic up? It seems like there are limited options for Canadians. I remember when Wardair had direct flights from Winnipeg, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Victoria, Toronto. Did Hawaii fall out of favour with Canadians? Maybe Island Air should take a crack at contract flying with a big tour operator here and feed their local traffic.
The problem with trying to crack the Canadian market is that the appeal of the US based carriers and their lower fares from the border cities and more choice from these markets.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2160 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1096 times:
Quoting usxguy (Reply 13): I'm not sure Island Air is in a position to bring on any more codeshares - they run a lousy operation out there... flights constantly late, misconnecting with other airlines (including HA), etc. I'm not sure if they publish their on time rates, but I'd try to hide them!
(source: folks who work @ MKK, LNY, OGG, HNL)
Funny, For the years I lived in Hawaii and the myriad of Island Air flights I took, I don't remember it being like this at all.
Quoting aloha73g (Reply 11): BUT I think its HIGHLY unlikely they will ever grow beyond their current niche
That's what they said about AQ and HA at one time, but I do agree with you WP isn't going to buy jets to go to the mainland.
Quoting Canflight (Reply 5): Seems like the regional have the balance sheet needed to grow now a days
Maybe because they are not flying jets to Hawaii and the like.
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jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4243 posts, RR: 29 Reply 16, posted (10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1089 times:
Quoting usxguy (Reply 13): I'm not sure Island Air is in a position to bring on any more codeshares - they run a lousy operation out there... flights constantly late, misconnecting with other airlines (including HA), etc. I'm not sure if they publish their on time rates, but I'd try to hide them!
Compared to Go/mokulele, they are fantastic. The dash-8's are looking pretty beat up though. Some of the oldest in service.
usxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 832 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1014 times:
goMokulele isn't around anymore.. its just go! and Mokulele; with Mokulele this weekend bragging about their 95% on time completion for the month of June.
aztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 401 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 995 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 3): If WP was smart, they would try get as many codeshare agreements they can
I still maintain that they should enter into a deal with AS.
If they could also get an agreement for US, UA, AA and DL to transfer their passengers inter-island they may have a chance to complete with HA in the inter-island ONLY.
As for expansion to the mainland. HA has been doing it for a long time. AQ tried to move from inter-island to mainland and they lost. WP should grow their base in Hawai'i and become a big player there before expansion.
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