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DOT Warns California Pacific - Fly Or Lose License  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15566 times:

The DOT Air Carrier Fitness Division eysterday issued a reminder to California Pacific Airlines that time is running short on fulfilling departmental requirements by the airline.

In 2011, following the issuance of the carriers economic authority, the carrier has a 1-year period to meet additional conditions including achieving its Air Carrier Certificate and Operations Specifications from the FAA and launching commercial flight services.

The DOT has determined this 12-month deadline ends August 25, 2012, at which time the granted authority shall be revoked due to dormancy.

The DOT states, CP Air may request a waiver, but cautions such waivers are not granted routinely.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15066 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The DOT has determined this 12-month deadline ends August 25, 2012, at which time the granted authority shall be revoked due to dormancy.

Sooooo basically, they gotta start operations or state when they're starting operations by 8/25?

Not so often I've seen a DOT report telling an airline to get flying, actually   



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14992 times:
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What does California Pacific still need to do before they are ready to begin service? They have an aircraft now, but how far along are they in staffing and training? Last I heard they were not planning to start service until sometime next year.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2649 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14864 times:

What a switch, that a new carrier may be shut down before the the results of actually flying a dubious operation take affect.

[Edited 2012-07-20 12:20:08]

User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14803 times:
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I know for a fact that their training manuals were completed this week and submitted to the FAA. One of my friends wrote them, and they should be approved very quickly.


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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14672 times:

The last info I have is that a second a/c is expected somewhere in the late August-September time frame and that might signal the start of scheduled, revenue flights. If that speculation proves to be true, then it seems quite possible that the August 25th deadline just might be manageable (but would probably require an extension?)

I can see CP Air getting off the ground with 2 planes, and then adding frequencies when their 3rd a/c arrives.

  

bb


User currently offlineflycpair From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 18 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14370 times:

We are well aware of the 8/25 deadline and are working on getting an extension. We can't "fly" until our 121 certificate is granted and we continue our work on that effort.

We have nothing to do with the SCASD grant mentioned above, our sole focus is on Carlsbad, CA.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13529 times:

Quoting flycpair (Reply 7):
We are well aware of the 8/25 deadline and are working on getting an extension. We can't "fly" until our 121 certificate is granted and we continue our work on that effort.

We have nothing to do with the SCASD grant mentioned above.

Thanks for the update Randy, and for taking care of that Nevada misinformation.

Continued good luck to all of you in Carlsbad on getting over the rest of the hurdles!

bb


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13501 times:

They are specifically named in and part of the SCASD grant request for Carlsbad however.....


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4602 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12384 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
They are specifically named in and part of the SCASD grant request for Carlsbad however.....

Which cities can name as targets even if the airlines aren't actively involved.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4502 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

Well I for one hope they make it because the trend toward less airlines is not at all a good one.

User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10764 times:

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User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

It's starting to sound like the abortive rebirth of Western Airlines.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3830 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9079 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 2):
What does California Pacific still need to do before they are ready to begin service?

Brett Snyder of The Cranky Flier covered a little bit of that in a blog last week.

A Visit With California Pacific Airlines
July 12, 2012


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User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1022 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

They will probably grant a short term extension - but may have to provide some additional financial information first :/


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 2):
They have an aircraft now

That makes no difference at all. Even if they had 200 airplanes already or 0 airplanes, for example, and not enough staff, it wouldn't still make a difference. They are required by law to have people in certain positions before they can fly. My question is: What is taking them so long?? The minimum they need, I believe, is a CEO, a COO, a safety manager, a chief pilot, a director of maintenance and at at least 1 A&P mechanic. That is not a complete list, but I am sure there are more positions required to be filled before they can get their 121.

Quoting usxguy (Reply 14):
They will probably grant a short term extension

That is not how the DOT works. The only way to get ANY extension from the DOT is to basically kiss ass... meaning that they have to come up with a very, very, VERY good reason as to why the DOT should not revoke their license.



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