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When Will NH Downgauge SEA-NRT To 787?  
User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

I found this article stating that NH is planning to downgauge SEA-NRT from 77W to 788 sometime in October:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2018559995_dreamliner30.html

Is this still holding true and feasible with the current 787 production schedule? Does anybody have a hard date for the switch? All the flights are currently loaded as 77W...


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
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NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way, so I see no reason why they would not have a 787 available when it comes time to pull the 777-300ER.

That being said, losing First Class will be a bummer when the 77W goes.


User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way, so I see no reason why they would not have a 787 available when it comes time to pull the 777-300ER.

I thought most of the current and future deliveries were domestic config, not international config frames? I'm about to book SFO-TPE for late October and would consider SFO-SEA-NRT-TPE to get my first 787 flight in 



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13269 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5353 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way, so I see no reason why they would not have a 787 available when it comes time to pull the 777-300ER.

There should be enough delivery slots in there.   I count three that are about to be delivered, so with 14 in the time frame of interest, I think ANA will pull it off.   

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2012/07/u...87-delivery-info-for-july-and.html

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
That being said, losing First Class will be a bummer when the 77W goes.

Neither SEA nor NRT is famous for a large premium market. IMHO, NA will make more money without paying to haul 1st seats where there is low demand.

Lightsaber

Correction,
ANA has FOUR 788s that could be delivered in August and possibly one or two more in September.  biggrin 

[Edited 2012-07-20 15:32:40]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Interesting. There's also the SJC-NRT route to be considered in this discussion, right? If NH has a 787 available for trans-Pac flying this year, why would they put it on SEA rather than deploy it to SJC and get that route started? (AFAIK, the expected start date is still March/April 2013?)

I assume the down-gauge of SEA is due to less traffic in the fall, or is it because they need the T7 elsewhere at that time? Otherwise, I don't quite get the holding off of SJC...

(Actually, won't it take 2 birds to get either route -- SEA or SJC -- up and running daily?)

bb

[Edited 2012-07-20 15:55:38]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
NH has 11 787-8s already with more on the way

Do you know how many of the 11 delivered to date have the longhaul configuration vs. the higher-density domestic/regional configuration?


User currently offlineatlflyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
Neither SEA nor NRT is famous for a large premium market.

Tokyo, really? The largest single urban GDP city in the world with over 30 million people doesn't have a large premium market? Surley you have to be making that up. While I could see most premium traffic wanting to use HND because of it's location compaired to Tokyo, HND does not have service to all the international cities that NRT does.

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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2214 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

We are booked outbound from SEA to NRT on October 25th on NH. Crossing my fingers....


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
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@IrishAyes...just make sure you check your seat reservations periodically so you don't lose your optimal seat.

User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Do you know how many of the 11 delivered to date have the longhaul configuration vs. the higher-density domestic/regional configuration?

Just two in the long-haul configuration. (JA805A & JA806A)
Four are in a temporary domestic configuration. (JA801A, JA802A, JA804A, & JA807A)
The rest are all domestic configuration. (JA808A, JA809A, JA810A, JA811A, & JA812A)
The domestic aircraft cannot be used for long-haul because of the obvious seat set-up.
The current two long-haul 788s are based out of HND for the HND-FRA flying.
To reasonably fly NRT-SEA daily, NH would need two 788s to be based out of NRT. The NRT-SEA has a turnaround of approximately two hours at each station and would leave very little slack in scheduling for maintenace and irregularities. I have no ideas on what configuration are planned for future deliveries.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2155 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting atlflyer323 (Reply 6):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
Neither SEA nor NRT is famous for a large premium market.

Tokyo, really? The largest single urban GDP city in the world with over 30 million people doesn't have a large premium market?

With Ichiro traded to the Yankees, I would think there will be fewer Japanese tourist coming to Seattle.
 

bt



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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

My prediction: NH or UA on this route will bite the dust in 6 months.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 10):
With Ichiro traded to the Yankees, I would think there will be fewer Japanese tourist coming to Seattle.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Let's all use upgauge / downgauge in future in place of upgrade / downgrade - its a much more accurate descriptor for an airline decision to deploy a larger / smaller aircraft.

User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 11):

My prediction: NH or UA on this route will bite the dust in 6 months.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 10):
With Ichiro traded to the Yankees, I would think there will be fewer Japanese tourist coming to Seattle.



I suspect UA may not last since it is one of the few non hub international routes on the airline. Yields are better than LAX - NRT but they may drop some.

However I don't think it is guaranteed to fail. SEA-NRT briefly sustained two 747s and a 777 in the late 90s. An A330, 787, and 777 may be manageable in the summer but u would not think three flights per day could be sustained in the winter. It is good ANA will downsize to the 788.



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User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 12):
Let's all use upgauge / downgauge in future in place of upgrade / downgrade - its a much more accurate descriptor for an airline decision to deploy a larger / smaller aircraft.

Did you even bother to read the thread? You're the only person using the phrase 'upgrade' or 'downgrade' in here...



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User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

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[Edited 2012-07-25 17:56:55]

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