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AA: 3-class A321s On JFK-LAX/SFO, PTVs  
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 30210 times:

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3560

Premium transcons (JFK-LAX/SFO) will get 3-class A321s (F10J20W36Y36) beginning next winter.

All 737s/A319s/A321s will get PTVs at every seat.

Major news, and several major positive steps for AA ...

[Edited 2012-07-23 06:56:39]

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 30273 times:

10 seats of lie-flat for domestic is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard recently...


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 30186 times:

Very interesting that they decided to retain 3-class on the transcons - wasn't sure if that would stay - and that the F cabin will stay basically the same size as what they have now, while Business will shrink (thought it would be the other way around). Looks like AA's A321s will be configured roughly similar to United's p.s. 757s are/were - except it will have both the Main Cabin Extra and regular Coach, whereas United's p.s. 757s were only Economy Plus.

User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 30164 times:
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Only 102 seats on these A321s (10F+20J+36Y+ +36Y). Wonder if they'll make it without fuel stops  


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User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 30042 times:

So it appears there will be 10 first class in 1-1 configuration, 20 business class in 2-2 configuration, 36 Main Cabin Extra, and 36 Main Cabin in 3-3 configuration. 102 seats? On an A321? That seems ludicrous. How many seats are on UA's transcon 757's?

I take every press release from American with a wheelbarrow of salt until their exit plan from bankruptcy and potential merger with US are dealt with. They're not exactly in the driver's seat right now; their creditors and unions are.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29996 times:

Correction to the OPer. The correct config is F10C20Y72 of which 36 will be “main cabin extra” with a bit more legroom.


But for those that doubled AA would never go narrowbody on its premium transcons, guess this finally blows that myth up.
Good move imo, as the 762's are way past their prime, and the economics of the narrowbody will be much much better.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
10 seats of lie-flat for domestic is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard recently...

Well UA is also putting almost 30 lie-flats on its p.s. remodel.   



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29988 times:

I don't know the cabin size of a 321, but it seems with all those premium seats, the economy cabin will be rather small, won't it?

User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29941 times:

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 4):
So it appears there will be 10 first class in 1-1 configuration, 20 business class in 2-2 configuration, 36 Main Cabin Extra, and 36 Main Cabin in 3-3 configuration. 102 seats? On an A321? That seems ludicrous. How many seats are on UA's transcon 757's?

According to .bomb, the current 3-class PS planes are 108 seats, so right about the same, but arranged differently with +2 F, +4 J, and all of Y is E+. However, the PS fleet is going to get refitted into a BF, E+, and standard Y config that I believe will be somewhere around 120 seats. That should make for some interesting competition to see whose model prevails.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29818 times:

I'll be the first to chime in stating that this is a very ground breaking move.

This step should make UA ponder if they should really get rid of the 3 class set up on JFK-SFO/LAX. AA will be the only player on these routes in a 3 class setup.

Quoting commavia (Thread starter):
All 737s/A319s/A321s will get PTVs at every seat.

Good! Wonder if the existing 738s will get PTVs as well. 763s? 757?

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
Only 102 seats on these A321s (10F+20J+36Y+ +36Y). Wonder if they'll make it without fuel stops

Shouldn't be an issue with 102 seats on board.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29819 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Correction to the OPer. The correct config is F10C20Y72 of which 36 will be “main cabin extra” with a bit more legroom.

Already corrected.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
But for those that doubled AA would never go narrowbody on its premium transcons, guess this finally blows that myth up.
Good move imo, as the 762's are way past their prime, and the economics of the narrowbody will be much much better.

Agree. Smart move - those 762s are no longer economically viable aircraft.

I am not too terribly surprised AA is keeping a 3-class config on these premium transcon markets, but I am surprised F is staying the same size and C is shrinking - that sort of defies the direction everything in the industry has been going for years. Perhaps AA knows something we don't - although net-net, the premium seats per plane will be coming down by 25% - significant.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
I don't know the cabin size of a 321, but it seems with all those premium seats, the economy cabin will be rather small, won't it?

That's the point - that is the segment of the market AA has less desire to compete in. That being said, this is going to lead, net-net, to a massive reduction in capacity in these markets, so I would not be too totally shocked if we saw a frequency increase in these two markets.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 7):
According to .bomb, the current 3-class PS planes are 108 seats, so right about the same, but arranged differently with +2 F, +4 J, and all of Y is E+. However, the PS fleet is going to get refitted into a BF, E+, and standard Y config that I believe will be somewhere around 120 seats. That should make for some interesting competition to see whose model prevails.

Agree. The cabin AA is describing sounds quite nice - I'm sure it will be popular. The question is if they can make money with that many premium seats.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29766 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 8):
Good! Wonder if the existing 738s will get PTVs as well. 763s? 757?

On second reading, my OP may be incorrect. All new deliveries of 737s and A320-family jets starting at a certain point next year will have PTVs - it wasn't clear to me from the PR whether existing 737s will be retrofitted (although that would seem like a fairly substantial product discontinuity across the same fleet).

As for the 757s - doubt they'll get anything at this point since they are rapidly on their way out. As for the 767s - the ones sticking around a while longer may get them at some point, but I don't think AA has indicated as much officially, unfortunately. The 767s leaving the fleet are unlikely to get any major upgrades at this point.


User currently onlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29684 times:

I am very excited at the news and announcement AA has released today. It looks sharp and exciting and the employees should be very excited about this!

I think AA is really gonna change things, especially starting with the going from wide bodies down to narrow bodies.

Anyone notice how the livery is non existent in the video? Makes me wonder...food for thought!

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...nYfVGo3AtCewOw&bctid=1748546523001

Alex



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29670 times:

There are photos here: http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/newplane...Location=DirectURL&title=newplanes

The first class seats look virtually the same as AA's new business class seats for the 777-300ERs, and the business class seats look very much like the UA (ex-CO) lie-flat seats. Both are very nice products, so these A321s should be quite comfortable in the premium cabins.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29628 times:
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
10 seats of lie-flat for domestic is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard recently...

CO/UA flies their international 752s with 16 lie-flat seats on EWR-MIA / MIA-EWR.

They're actually quite comfy in chaise-position with a novel and a beverage of choice.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30527 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29632 times:
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
10 seats of lie-flat for domestic is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard recently...

Not so much if you regularly sell them...

I believe SAG is not quite as generous with First Class travel as they used to be, but I expect a fair bit of the F cabin on those two routes for both UA and AA go out on a paid fare, which is why both continue to offer a higher-level First Class product on them.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29593 times:
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Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
Only 102 seats on these A321s (10F+20J+36Y+ +36Y). Wonder if they'll make it without fuel stops

Why would they stop for fuel ? Usairways has a well documented fuel stop history its PHL to LAX flights but they seat 16 F and 167 Y. AT 102 people AA has left 80 passengers behind which if we assume 200 pounds per is 16,000 pounds. Since AA has a lower payload made up by higher paying F, J and Y+ passengers they should get from JFK to LAX as they say in Jamaica " NO PROBLEM".


User currently offlineemirates202 From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29590 times:

Am I the only one that thinks the premium cabin aisles look really cramped? I mean seriously? Lie flats on A321's? It's a great idea and concept, but it looks very tight and cramped.


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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29555 times:

Great video! AA is making moves. They've been in a deep sleep for over 10 years. I feel like it's the early 90s again  


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User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29497 times:
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Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 4):
How many seats are on UA's transcon 757's?

12F+26J+72W is the current config on the 57P aircraft.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29401 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Agree. The cabin AA is describing sounds quite nice - I'm sure it will be popular. The question is if they can make money with that many premium seats.

Absolutely. However, that route is one where they can actually make it work. As Stitch notes:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Not so much if you regularly sell them...

I believe SAG is not quite as generous with First Class travel as they used to be, but I expect a fair bit of the F cabin on those two routes for both UA and AA go out on a paid fare, which is why both continue to offer a higher-level First Class product on them.

The config is probably the result of some data AA has showing that they can move the F (as is often discussed the media and film biz demand for paid F on this route is actually reasonably solid). So if they do in fact sell those at "retail" rates (i.e., not just TOD upgrades) the numbers should work in terms of having F at the expense of J space.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29351 times:

Quoting emirates202 (Reply 16):
Am I the only one that thinks the premium cabin aisles look really cramped? I mean seriously? Lie flats on A321's? It's a great idea and concept, but it looks very tight and cramped.

A narrowbody cabin is never going to look like a widebody, but the personal space in first appears comparable to what you'd get on AA's new 77Ws (or on CX for that matter), and in business it looks similar to UA's 757s which are very comfortable even across the Atlantic. Once you're sitting/lying down, the size of the rest of the cabin doesn't really matter much--in fact, in my experience the service can be better in a smaller cabin.

CO (now UA) has had lie-flats on 757s, which are similar in size to A321s, for years. In fact, BA is also rolling out lie-flats (albeit a different design, more like Swiss's A330s or Delta's 764s) on its ex-BMI A321s for its longer flights to the Middle East. So there's nothing crazy about the concept.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15713 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29315 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
10 seats of lie-flat for domestic is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard recently...

Passengers on that route are willing to pay for it. Plus lower density will ensure that the A321 can make it even on the worst weather days, although the seats themselves will eat up some of the weight reduction.



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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29328 times:

Anybody else notice that the 77E economy cabin was absent from the video?    All of these narrowbody upgrades will be nice, especially in Y, though AA clearly made that decision in order to keep up with competitors. Yes, AA likes the premium pax, but its nice to see them finally add rather than subtract from Y for once. Soft product needs substantial upgrades, unfortunately, and that's not quite as simple as placing a big order for seats.

I thought the blank fuselage in 77E announcement a few months ago was a fun marketing ploy, but given that this silver has once again been used, I too wonder whether these future aircraft and the Airbuses will wear a different scheme.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17322 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29238 times:

Well there goes VX last advantage over AA...

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 20):
CO (now UA) has had lie-flats on 757s, which are similar in size to A321s

The seats in fact look identical; are they the same?



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User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29231 times:

I hope to try AA's transcontinental F product when I'm in SFO next year  

Maybe I'm missing something here but why do American carriers have as much as 12 flights daily on many demestic routes using narrow bodies like A320s? Why not have 6 flights on 777 instead? Is a flight every 45 minutes instead of every 2 hours really needed?


25 fun2fly : Sure looks like AA will have a competitive product. Good to see the US industry investing in a/c improvements and differentiating themselves.
26 bobloblaw : AA has to if they want SAG and Hollywood traffic. VX has made some inroads against UA and AA on JFK-LAX with Hollywood traffic. Jetblue is essentiall
27 william : Notice in the video the aircraft shown has 1. a chrome or metallic finish 2. no liververy........not even the present one. A new livery must be on the
28 ManuCH : I agree that this is actually a great move. As a European traveler who has experienced US transcon flights, I can say that I've been a bit disappoint
29 bobloblaw : Beginning in Nov 2013. Next winter is 2012/2013. Next winter is the same as this winter.
30 EricR : An attempt to stop the loss of premium passengers to other carriers with better premium products. It is odd timing to offer such a premium heavy conf
31 commavia : Well - again, we have to separate "premium" from First. This will actually mean a net reduction of 25% of premium seats per flight, it's just that th
32 Stitch : Yes. Schedule flexibility is important on these routes due to many of the people taking these flights not working a set schedule (meetings, film/tv s
33 LAXintl : Future p.s config will be 26C with lie flat international config seats, 70Y+ and 44 regular Y. I think choice of 10 for F class is simply due physics
34 Longhornmaniac : It's not needed, it's preferred. People, particularly on transcons like these, would much rather have the freedom of choice, and by flying more frequ
35 LHCVG : Thanks LAX! That's what I assumed the main rationale was - they can sell F via their contracts, but most of J goes to upgrades so like int'l F it's t
36 milemaster : Sounds to me like the return of the Luxury Liner.
37 Post contains images co38 : Im pretty sure CRJ900 was being sarcastic in his remark How many of their 321s will be configured for coast to coast?
38 BA319-131 : Well this looks like a great product, well done AA! I can't wait to see the fully finished product!
39 blink182 : With such a premium-heavy configuration and light pax load, is there a chance that the transcon 321s could be used on extra frequencies on MIA-Brazil
40 ckfred : One question about Main Cabin Extra. Will they put that product in the MD-80s and 757s. Granted, both fleets are on their way out. But, I would expect
41 AA94 : I had the same question. The wording from the PR makes it seem like only newly-delivered aircraft beginning with the A319s in July '13 will have the
42 tommy767 : I would guess some, but not very many S80s. The 757s definitely. They still play a viable role in the network and will likely be concentrated out of
43 FoxBravo : According to LAXIntl in a later post, yes. My recollection from previous threads is that it's possible, but rarely done because of the proximity of t
44 NorthstarBoy : After comparing the capacity of the 762 to the low density A321 AA is proposing, it appears they're giving up more than a thousand seats a day in capa
45 Someone83 : So does this mean they might soon firm up their Airbus order?
46 warren747sp : Where do they plan to land and refuel during the winter like numerous Jet Blue planes westbound?
47 laca773 : What? These are the new economics of flying trips of 4-6 hours. BA is downgauging their mid-hauls to A321s as well with a similar J cabin. Obviously
48 Stitch : Reducing capacity is a way to increase RASM. And I expect the A321-200 crushes the 767-300ER on trip costs in a transcon mission. I am quite confiden
49 flyby519 : With only 102 pax this shouldnt be an issue
50 laca773 : In general, the answer is no. The 2L door is not the typical size door used for en/deplaning. Additionally, 2L/R are too close to the engines which i
51 LAXintl : I doubt it. I suspect AA will happily look to raise their yield with the reduced capacity as UA did with p.s. Flying around lots of extra seats on th
52 commavia : As I said earlier, I would not be surprised to see some increased frequency. That is a rather large capacity reduction, and while I'm sure AA wants t
53 EricR : What I was alluding to (but didn't do a good job of conveying) was that the percentage of traditional Y class seats dropped significantly. My definit
54 Post contains images Someone83 : The answer should be yes. Done it several times with Lufthansa and their A321
55 ikramerica : One reason Hollywood types choose aa and UA over VX and others on this route is/are the flagship and F lounges in either end. Transcon F gets access t
56 LAXintl : Yeah but they are also reducing number of F + C seats. Goes from 40 to 30. All in all, I think this is a good move. The market does indeed have way t
57 boeing773ER : Wow, this seems like a huge upgrade to AA on trans-continental upgrades. I wonder if they will eventually push this out to JFK-SEA/DFW, MIA-LAX/SFO/SE
58 ikramerica : Any idea on the connecting traffic stats in y class between lax and JFK on aa and UA? My guess is it's not a lot. UA will connect most pax through sfo
59 FoxBravo : With a jetway or airstairs?
60 poLOT : This configuration is way too premium heavy to replace the current transatlantic 757 flying.
61 LAXintl : Since we have started to discussion revenues, here is how AA and others stack up in RASM yields(cents) on JFK transcons. JFK-LAX UA - 12.16 AA - 11.61
62 AeroWesty : Not on a premium nonstop perhaps, but instead accommodated in any projected empty seats on connections via DFW/ORD.
63 Post contains images commavia : ... or just letting Delta and JetBlue have them.
64 AeroWesty : Why give business away? If they can fill an empty seat with a paid fare, grab the dough plus all the ancillary fees they can collect and don't look b
65 caleb1 : I am glad AA is finally sarting to revamp its product and image. I am already liking what I see so far. It does look a bit better than what UAL has in
66 ckfred : But think how many more coach seats AA would have to fill, and probably lose yield in the process. So, have departures at 8:40am, 9:00am, and 9:30am.
67 LJ : That depends if the fare covers the variable costs. If not, why bother to get this business. Even if they cover the variable costs one could question
68 aa77w : Any news on whether or not the 763s, 752s, and the existing 738s are going to be retrofitted with ptvs and Y+?
69 AeroWesty : The variable costs have largely been unbundled these days into ancillary fees for BOB and luggage. There are few business cases that can be made stro
70 AA94 : They have something called Five Star Service which is available to anyone in any class, for a fee. AA basically provides an escort who will take the
71 Mir : It was via jetway when I got off via 2L at MUC. I don't see why it couldn't be done on a regular basis in the US. -Mir
72 Acey559 : The info I read on JetNet made it seem like the older aircraft won't be retrofitted, but it was fairly vague so I'm not exactly certain.
73 SQ22 : So far I did it only by jetway.
74 N62NA : Because people in the USA are under the faulty assumption that if they had to wait an additional 30 minutes until the next flight, they would die ins
75 slcdeltarumd11 : Personally i think UA made the right decision with the invention of a true lie flat business class product. I think the vast majority will be happier
76 FoxBravo : Thanks and good to know. Sounds like the engine proximity issue is either limited to certain jetways, or (perhaps more likely) just one of those rumo
77 Viscount724 : I don't see the point of lie-flat seats on routes of 5 hours or so where all except a few flights are daytime. Most people sleep at night. They could
78 AA94 : Exactly what I'm thinking. The 762 doesn't have a mid-cabin door, so all boarding takes place through F. If the A321 could board through 2L, then thi
79 slcdeltarumd11 : Some of the united JFK-SFO are schedule for 6 hours and 47 minutes westbound flights even if daytime leave alot of time to get sleep in. If people ar
80 Post contains images einsteinboricua : The first class seat looks an awful lot like US's Envoy seat . Some nice developments coming from AA.
81 jpetekyxmd80 : I was a bit surprised to see 2 fairly comparable long haul business class products in F/J, I think it does make sense and there will be enough distinc
82 bobloblaw : AA might increase frequency or else total capacity will fall by roughly 30%. There is huge fuel savings for AA here. I know Delta does actually carry
83 runway23 : The flight time on a JFK-LAX has crept up quite considerably with airlines padding their schedules. In winter it isn't unheard of to have a 6.5-7 hou
84 panamair : Both DL and B6 also have lower CASM than UA or AA in these markets. The RASM numbers presented above only show one side of the equation; both UA (wit
85 FoxBravo : That's because it's the same seat--also the same as Cathay's new business class, and Delta's new seats on the 744. It's one of the best out there, in
86 Post contains images AeroWesty : And no one noticed the lyrics for the song were "up, up and away ... " to a different tune (or am I just showing my age?)
87 deltaflyertoo : Agree but maybe those 738s will be exclusively positioned for flights out of DFW/ORD to the midwest markets of 2 hours or less in which case the new
88 N62NA : Wouldn't that be one of the a.net cardinal sins - having a subfleet?
89 PHX787 : I see it as a good move! I'd love to have a sleeper seat from NYC-LAX! Question: I may have missed this by a long shot but when does AA get their Air
90 ikramerica : They do, but you have to pay for that. Not all celebs will be willing to pay for it, because the flight they are on is paid for by their contract, bu
91 Wingtips56 : What hasn't been noted here yet is upgrading the Trans-Con product makes connections to/from the International Flagship service a more consistent expe
92 AusA380 : Whilst the seat is of the same heritage, CX have invested in some significant design improvements (such as extra width in bed mode, positioning of sm
93 NC1844V : Fantastic News. AA is coming back to the 1990's glory they once had. I hope. Thanks for sharing
94 KDAYflyer : Fantastic news! Getting rid of those gas guzzlers (767-200) for the 321 and reducing the seats to up the revenue per pax is a great move.
95 Longhornmaniac : This is always going to be the case, on any airline. Even the best airlines, SQ, CX and the like all have considerably different premium long haul pr
96 mogandoCI : Then why not just take the BA nonstop to SFO or AA nonstop to LAX instead of chopping up your flight and have to clear immigration half way through ?
97 carpethead : All this while in Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The nerve of AA and the abuse of it. Oh well..... Different country, different methods.
98 SPREE34 : OK, so buying new equipment and furnishing it nicely. Where will the employee providing commensurate service come from?
99 seabosdca : The point of Chapter 11 reorganization is to retain as much value as possible for creditors. Keeping the business competitive is important to retaini
100 Post contains links AeroWesty : Interesting interview today at Frequent Business Traveler covers this topic. Interview: Alice Liu Reveals American Airlines’ New Planes and Product
101 BMI727 : American is using Chapter 11 exactly as it was intended.
102 SPREE34 : Interesting enough. I hope the FAs feel the way Alice claims.
103 Longhornmaniac : Of course those are options. He was making a comment about connecting from international F to domestic F being a huge step down in product offering,
104 Post contains images copa330200 : as frequent flyer i just love this move ! finaly AA is taking care of the people who pays them . hopefully competition will take note and follow them
105 AAIL86 : That could have been a solution, but perhaps very risky one as well given market conditions. We all like the idea of domestic widebody service - but
106 allegiantflyer : Nice custom made 777 first class i like it! good idea for aa im not much of a fan for them but if they pull this off i will become the biggest AAdvant
107 mogandoCI : But isn't that true for Asia too ? CX doesn't offer intra-Asia F even on certain HKG-NRT frequencies, and SQ (the king of F) only does intra-Asia F o
108 Post contains links infinit : I made the assumption that having fewer flights eg 6 wide bodies instead of 12 narrow bodies would be cheaper in terms of fuel and staff costs but ad
109 Post contains images lightsaber : Yea. Why aren't they giving all the business to UA... I flew lie flat LAX-DFW and I couldn't believe how much more rested I was than Y. Good for them
110 Atlflyer : Looks like there is absolutely no privacy in the International F seat. Not good IMO.
111 mogandoCI : NYC-CHI is too short to justify this new A321 Transcon F seat ... you could count the paid demand in half a hand (if they have to charge to $2500 RT
112 DocLightning : Yeah, that doesn't compute for me, either. The West-to-East red-eye is often shorter than five hours. Between takeoff and landing, you would be lucky
113 Longhornmaniac : That's precisely my point. Long haul F is a very different breed from short haul/regional F everywhere on the planet. I was responding to Wingtips56'
114 FlyASAGuy2005 : Average one-way fares will always be a bit skewed and RASM will always be in favor of UA/AA due to the fact that they offer more premium seats than D
115 Acey559 : Not necessarily. Fewer flights of course means less crews needing to be paid, but with widebody crews they're considerably more compensated compared
116 AeroWesty : When a fairly down-to-earth friend was made a VP at a record co. in LA a few years back, she was always booked in J on trips to their NY office. When
117 Post contains images lightsaber : The reason I think ORD-LGA would work is that I've seen FULL front cabins every LAX-DFW when the 767 is rotated in with its lie flat seats. Ugh... I
118 AAplat4life : Could AA add LAX/LGA or do all flights from LA have to go into JFK?
119 mogandoCI : Or is it just a function of being elite heavy hub to hub ? One or two flights a day timed for DFW's international bank(s) might be strategically valu
120 qf002 : In my mind, it makes more sense for AA to just extend an international aircraft beyond MIA to JFK (and with other examples, ie LAX-DFW) than to start
121 AeroWesty : Due to the perimeter rule for LGA, LAX-LGA could only be flown on Saturdays. Flight lengths cannot exceed 1,500 miles on the other 6 days, DEN being
122 Post contains images AA94 : The point of Chapter 11 bankruptcy is to restructure the company's assets favorably, and with the oversight of a court, so that the company can come
123 bobloblaw : No it wont. You wont see the 3 class A321s on these routes. The type of premium traffic doesnt exist. Same reason UA limits PS to JFK and doesnt fly
124 bobloblaw : Flying the 3-Class A321s out of MIA or DFW would only increase costs and not increase revenue since AA gets all the premium traffic anyways
125 N62NA : Well, we do have two of the 3 class 777s on the route at the moment (first time ever, at least as far as I can recall) and sometimes we have seen the
126 Post contains images ozglobal : Looks great. What an improvement for this airline from the half broken, 1980's style seats I had in so called "First Class" domestic a few years ago.
127 Post contains links eagle125 : Here is a nice Q and A the Dallas Morning News put together... http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-aircraft-on-transcon-routes.html/ I noticed thr
128 Atlflyer : Anyone know why the domestic new configuration seats will be leather but long-haul domestic and international will be cloth?
129 mrskyguy : So who is supplying the IFE? It's either Panasonic or Thales, right? My money is on Thales.. but I haven't the first clue. IFE isn't my area of expert
130 poLOT : That is actually fairly common. Leather, while more durable than cloth and has a more upscale look, is usually less comfortable when seating for hour
131 VC10er : Well as a UA GS flier, I hope Smisek takes this chance to one-up them! Or perhaps I switch! Nothing like competition!
132 mogandoCI : I'm curious to see how much of AA's existing F on their transcons are filled with comp upgrades for EXPs. If comp upgrades plus redemptions account f
133 STT757 : I can almost guarantee that their new 737-9MAX will take over from the PS 757s, however that will not be before 2017, until then they are updating th
134 laca773 : I think the P cabin should be brought down to 6-8 max, and in turn add another 4-8 J cabin seats. SAG contracts are now for J cabin travel, not P. Pe
135 LDVAviation : I think it is fair to assume that AA did some research before deciding on this configuration. And, while it is quite possible, that there are two ext
136 gigneil : Fortunately, we already know in advance you're wrong. it's not like this is a new route. NS
137 BMI727 : Who wouldn't rather go with NetJets? Unfortunately price can be an issue. Actually that would be a great marketing slogan for NetJets: First Class: F
138 bobloblaw : There maybe premium demand in these markets (not like JFK) but it is irrelevant. AA is already the #1 carrier by far on MIA-LAX, (DCA alone is a bett
139 gigneil : The 320NEO is one thing.... and they haven't been discussing what the breakouts of either them or the MAX will be. But I could have told you there'd
140 qf002 : Panasonic (thank God...)
141 tonytifao : Did I read right that AA has a total of 119 A321s on order?
142 mrskyguy : 120 split between A319s and A320s. Exact makeup unknown.. keeps changing.
143 ckfred : Wouldn't you figure that they would get the retrofit, when they go in for a C-Check? If you strip the cabin bare, then you can just as easily put in
144 Post contains images blink182 : For that matter, AA is continuously taking 738 deliveries. Does anybody know when the first aircraft will be delivered with that interior? If I were
145 Post contains images laca773 : Gee! I don't think the majority in this thread need to be enlightened about this!!. It's a given! Perhaps an OC thing?
146 N62NA : But AA (or any other USA airline) really doesn't care enough to do that. So you'll get a 738 without PTV on MIA-LAX one day and then the very next da
147 gigneil : There are no A320s on order at all, and never were. Split between A319s and A321s. NS
148 STT757 : Correct, they have the 738 and 737-8 MAX on order to fit between the A319s and A321s.
149 Josh32121 : I doubt that would be feasible with the door configuration on the A321's. I'm guessing P will be between doors 1 and 2, J between doors 2 and 3, and
150 AeroWesty : IIRC, the SAG requirement was "highest available class of service", rather than specifying First, which is how it was possible to continue using NZ f
151 Post contains images PC12Fan : With all due respect, it's still public transportation. You want more privacy, charter. I made this joke in another related post but, they stole my l
152 ikramerica : It's not just sag. It's dga, wga, pga, and various other accronyms. Big budget pictures with these guilds still will have F in the contract. There's a
153 Windowseater : I think this is great news and if AA can really pull this off, it'll perhaps herald a true step up for US domestic travel standards. I mean to have li
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