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Will We See Multi-stop Itineraries Return?  
User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 716 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10883 times:
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Everybody knows the cost of fuel is not cheap.

Could we see the return of multi-stop itineraries as we once did in the past? In the current environment of mergers, closures, and bankruptcy, perhaps this can be an option once again?

An example would be the former Swissair Zurich-Bombay-Hong Kong-Seoul & v.v. multi-stop itinerary.... which by-the-way, was a fantastic experience each and every time!!!

Air France still operates a multi-stop itinerary today in 2012 from Miami-Cayenne via points within the Caribbean Sea.


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User currently offlineThai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10852 times:
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There are still some around - particularly from the South Pacific / Oceania region.

Some examples, such as Emirates with their services to/from DXB to New Zealand via Asia and Australia such as:

DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC amongst others.

Qantas:
SYD-SIN-LHR
SYD-SIN-FRA
SYD-LAX-JFK

Singapore Airlines to Cape Town via Johannesburg and Sao Paulo via Spain, Houston via Moscow etc etc

Maybe being from the USA you were referring to US-based carriers?

I guess in these days of One World, Star Aliance, Skyteam and the like, these alliances which aim to make travel as "streamlined as possible" mean that multi-stop itineraries are unfortunately a thing of the past for the most part.

As a kid I used to love pouring over timetables and seeing those wonderful multi-leg flights and marvelling at how exotic and mysterious they were! I would imagine for the airlines that these are really costly to run and also would have meant crew were away for very long periods at a time (unless they had a crew base off-shore in different countries of course).

From a nostalgia point-of-view, they were great, but I can't see them returning in large numbers due to alliances and modern economics. Sad really.


User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10733 times:

A couple of less Exotic ones I know of locally.

Air Transat does Exeter - Newcastle - Toronto (on an A310)
Thomson also do Exeter - Manchester - Barbados on a 767

I'm not sure if this is down to loadings or getting a loaded and fuelled A310/B767 out of Exeter's relatively short runway.

Then there is the strange Helvectic ZRH-BRS-CWL-BRS-ZRH (why not just do ZRH-CWL-BRS-ZRH?)


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10597 times:

Just about any WN flight that has ever taken to the air......Multi stop can be defined by WN and their aircraft utilization.


AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10302 times:

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 2):
I'm not sure if this is down to loadings or getting a loaded and fuelled A310/B767 out of Exeter's relatively short runway.

A combination of factors. EXT is a bit tight length wise, it doesn't have paved overrun areas which limits the distance in which to reject a take off, and the loads do get a boost from routing elsewhere. Additionally it's runway is quite weak meaning a fully loaded and fueled A333 would exceed the suggested limit, as do some other types.


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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 2):
Then there is the strange Helvectic ZRH-BRS-CWL-BRS-ZRH (why not just do ZRH-CWL-BRS-ZRH?)

A triangular route always runs the risk that it will not deliver optimal revenue. Using the above example, you can't carry 60% of your traffic in one direction on a flight ZRH-BRS and 60% in the other direction CWL-ZRH - the CWL-BRS sector would otherwise have a 120% load factor. You therefore limit the amount of traffic you can take - and potentially carry empty seats that you might otherwise have been able to sell. A better option might be to fly both ZRH-BRS and ZRH-CWL as separate flights less frequently, or with smaller aircraft. (Though in the Helvetic case I've no idea whether that's in any way feasible).



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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10152 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
Just about any WN flight that has ever taken to the air

Last weekend my wife flew WN BDL-->BWI-->CMH-->MDW as a single plane direct flight. What would be about 2:25 nonstop turned into a 5+ hour odyssey!


User currently offlinemal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10123 times:
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I wish

my first QF flight
London>frankfurt>bahrain>kuala lumpur>singapore>syndey back in 74. Was great would love to do it like that again

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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10111 times:
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For the most part tags are undesirable for the Legacies/Alliance partners these days.
They would rather shuttle you to the partner hub and take a cut on the codeshare to/from your final destination.

BA for instance have very few tags

UK/EU - Australia remains a tag largely because of technology limitations.

They do operate Middle East tags

LHR-BAH-DOH

LHR-AUH-MCT

I think loads up front and commercial contracts (Oil/gas) are healthy however Y less so and therefore flights are combined.
They don't want to off load some very valuable clients in these markets to RJ -the regional Oneworld partner !

SN operate several tags within their very valuable African networks and have 5th freedom rights to support the connecting legs.
These carry lots of NGOs whom would rather travel with SN than some of the local operators !

Short haul tags within Europe are virtually extinct aside from a few island hoppers on the peripheries. LCC and hubbing legacies have permanently done for them.

As for the Air Transat example its a quasi charter operation (No local traffic rights), is seasonal VFR and combined for both operational and capacity reasons. Neither point would generate sufficient traffic as a stand alone.

The Helvetic Bristol Channel hope is expected to end in the autumn as the service is not showing beyond BRS in the booking engine.

I know that in the US there are some multi stop services . Some carriers use the same flight number for several sectors on the transcon and of cause the great Miky pacific island hopper still operates a few days a week now a United operation.

As to the op question is there a renaissance simple answer - NO


User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10046 times:

AC and WS still do this on a couple of routes, but it's become quite uncommon to see that not only in Canada, but most of North America. AC operates YYZ-YVR-SYD and YYZ-SCL-EZE and out of Calgary WS operates a daily YYC-YWG-YQT-YYZ routing

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10017 times:
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LAN currently operates:
SCL-AKL-SYD
SCL-MAD-FRA
SCL-LIM-JFK
SCL-LIM-LAX
SCL-BOG-MIA
SCL-CCS-MIA
SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA
SCL-CUN-MIA
SCL-PUJ-MIA
EZE-PUJ-MIA
EZE-LIM-LAX
GRU-LIM-SFO
UIO-GYE-EZE
UIO-GYE-SCL
LIM-LPB-VVI
LIM-VVI-LPB
SCL-IPC-PPT
SCL-IQQ-LPB
SCL-IQQ-VVI
SCL-PUQ-MPN
SCL-PUQ-RGL-MPN

[Edited 2012-07-24 04:48:17]

User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10003 times:
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United used to fly the Southwest type operation in the 70's with their 737's. I can remember such flights as ORF-RDU-CLE-FWA-ORD.

User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9922 times:

In 2000 while commuting between CRP and ABQ, I managed to catch a thru flight CRP-ABQ, via HOU-DAL-MAF. The crew asked me during the head count in DAL where I was headed since I kept staying in my seat. I told the ABQ. She said "Wow all the way with us! I think that deserves something, and comped my drinks the rest of the way. It was a 737-200, I believe A/C N87SW. That was a blast. When we landed in MAF there was a dust storm, a rocky ride. And the usual decent into ABQ during the summer with all the bumps and altitude excursions around/under the summer monsoon thunderstorms.

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User currently offlineOlafW From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9850 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 5):
A better option might be to fly both ZRH-BRS and ZRH-CWL as separate flights less frequently, or with smaller aircraft. (Though in the Helvetic case I've no idea whether that's in any way feasible).

Actually, they have served both cities on separate flights throughout the last year. Cardiff was served 4x weekly starting 30th March 11 and Bristol followed with 3x weekly since 5th December 11. With the start of the summer schedule, these were combined to a 3 weekly service, stopping in BRS each way.
I just took that flight on Sunday, and although it sound very interesting, it also had it's negative side. For some reason there is a british regulation that you have to undergo a further security check on the first port of arrival in the UK, even if you're continueing on the same plane. This adds about 30 minutes to what otherwise would be a very short stopover. In fact, Sunday we touched down at 11.56 am and left again at 12.58 pm. Quite a long time to let about 60 people get off in my opinion.

Smaller aircraft are not possible at the moment as Helvetic inly has 6 Fokker 100 available, of which two were only acquired in 2010, so I don't see them adding more aircraft.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 955 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9599 times:

NW over the years had many flights that went from SEA to EWR, MSP, ORD or beyond with multiple stops in-between. This one is my fave!:

1982: Northwest 701 FLL-MIA-ORD-MSP-FAR-BIS-BIL-HLN-MSO-GEG-SEA. 727-200 Departing 0745 Arriving 1935

I always hoped that AS would pick up the torch and fly SEA-GEG-MSO-BIL-FAR-MSP...either mainline or using QX equipment.

Here's a great old thread regarding NW's various multi-leg same flight number service.

Northwest Orient Flight 71 Crew Routing (by TWA1985 Jun 14 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13120 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9417 times:
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In general, the highest yield customers wish to minimize the time away from family. They are told when they have to arrive for business and then they work to leave ASAP. Muti-stop itineraries add time. Many have given examples that still exist, but as new hubs come online, there will be less need.

The mid-East hubs have provided a competitive solution that allows more one stop travel. Eventually, they will join the alliances and provide the connections. In addition, the Chinese hubs are expanding quickly. I expect SE Asia hubs to also grow quickly reducing the need for multi-stop iteneraries.

Some of this is due to range increases of smaller gauge aircraft. The NEO and MAX will change this greatly. Some is due to better software allowing for more optimal hubbing. One solution has been better airport hotels. So instead of having a person sit in the most expensive real estate possible (inside an airplane), they sleep in a hotel bed if the connection must be of extended duration.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
Just about any WN flight that has ever taken to the air.

  

I would bet the trend in stops is heading down for them though...

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 8):
For the most part tags are undesirable for the Legacies/Alliance partners these days.
They would rather shuttle you to the partner hub and take a cut on the codeshare to/from your final destination.

   Because that makes the customer happier. A stop is diverted time.

With hub expansion planned at Beijing, Istanbul, DOH/AUH/DWC, SE Asia, China, and elsewhere, I do not expect to see a trend reversal even with high oil prices. But I do expect to always see some multi-stop itineraries.

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User currently offlineKaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9043 times:

AS flights 62, 64, and 66 all have a multi-stop route:
62: FAI-ANC-JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA
64: ANC-JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA
66: ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-SEA

I flew the JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA section of fl. 62 last year, it's great fun to be able to experience all the small town airports along the way.  



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 6):
Last weekend my wife flew WN BDL-->BWI-->CMH-->MDW as a single plane direct flight. What would be about 2:25 nonstop turned into a 5+ hour odyssey!

Pretty crazy. We don't see many of those sold as there is usually a connection that will get there faster. Though sometimes a 2 stop direct will help. Of course just about anything from DAL to east or west coasts can call for 2 stops especially if it is a smaller market.

I personally don't mind them that much. It is better than sitting in a connecting airport for 3 hours.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Multi-stop intinearies are inefficient especially for domestic routes. Much of the expense associated with flying from point A to point C is takeoff. Add in point B and its get prohibitively expensive. This is why there is no such thing as domestic tags or roundrobins anymore in the USA.

Also what your not seeing is something called game theory.

Let's say SR flies ZRH-BOM-HKG-ICN, then that provides a HUGE HUGE incentive for KE to fly ICN-ZRH nonstop and capture ALL the demand, while SR gets NOTHING to ICN. Throw in CX doing HKG-ZRH nonstop and SR gets nothing to HKG either.

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 9):
AC and WS still do this on a couple of routes, but it's become quite uncommon to see that not only in Canada, but most of North America. AC operates YYZ-YVR-SYD and YYZ-SCL-EZE and out of Calgary WS operates a daily YYC-YWG-YQT-YYZ routing

Flying YYZ-YVR-SYD has lots of local demand. Nothing odd by flying that routing. No different than if AA flies DFW-MIA-EZE like they use to with a 777 and MD11.

I guarantee you AC loses a ton (millions per year) flying SCL-EZE

YYC-YWG-YQT-YYZ is not a big deal because of WS ability to stimulate traffic along the entire route. But I bet you they carry next to zero traffic from YYC to YYZ over that routing and it certainly isnt their only offering from YYC to YYZ.


User currently offlinesgair From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8523 times:

Multi-stop flights were great when I was a kid. Flew Southern ATL-DHN-VPS-MOB-GPT-MSY. Technically, I still do mutli-stop flights but that's with plane changes at a airline hubs.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13120 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8245 times:
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Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Also what your not seeing is something called game theory.

I'm glad to see someone else here on a.net is into game theory.   

To others: Always ask how you could offer a superior product to time pressed (high yield) customers. That will tell you how things will eventually go.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Let's say SR flies ZRH-BOM-HKG-ICN, then that provides a HUGE HUGE incentive for KE to fly ICN-ZRH nonstop and capture ALL the demand, while SR gets NOTHING to ICN.

Excellent example. Expanding:

Now add ZRH-HKG by CX (if it isn't already a flight, it will be). That leaves ZRH-BOM.
Also, ZRH-BOM-HKG now faces competition (e.g., by EK) and thus will have low yield.
Every stop increases the competitive base.
Companies are still willing to pay a premium to cut the stops.

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 9):
WS operates a daily YYC-YWG-YQT-YYZ routing

I guarantee no high yield passenger is flying YYC-YYZ. That routing is for YYC to YWG/YQT and YWG/YQT to YYZ. I assume the reverse is also flown and thus the reverse routing. Sure, an enthusiast will fly the whole route, but that is someone also trying to fly cheap.

As bobloblaw noted, game theory will have too many customers choosing the direct flight. That means multi-stop routings that involve the following airports are going to be in trouble unless a non-stop is non-viable with *tomorrow's* aircraft (of course, the come airline might still pull off a few, until there is competition):
ICN
DXB/DWC
new-DOH
AUH
IST (assuming new airport is built quickly)
PVG
HKG
BKK (eventually, once final pair of runways are complete)
KUL (It might take a while for MA to establish a strategy)
CGK (Guardia has become a viable competitor)
ATL/DEN/ORD/CLT/DFW/IAH and any other growing US hub

I'm going to be lazy and truncate my list. Mostly as I see the regions where multi-stop itineraries being common have good growth.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 17):
I personally don't mind them that much. It is better than sitting in a connecting airport for 3 hours.

How much money are you saving with a muti-stop itinerary from DAL versus the non-stop from DFW? If it isn't greater than $50/hour, you really need to consider your options.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 14):

1982: Northwest 701 FLL-MIA-ORD-MSP-FAR-BIS-BIL-HLN-MSO-GEG-SEA. 727-200 Departing 0745 Arriving 1935

15 hours of coast to coast travel? {Faint} In no way would I consider that a viable route. Time is money. While an enthusiast might fly that route for fun, any premium traveler is going to pick one of the *many* alternatives that exist today. That is at least 8 takeoffs to pay for that are not required now. The *cheapest* the additional maintenance costs could possibly be is $1/pax each way or $16 round trip.

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User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

I don't think we've ever seen them actually go away. I think we're just a little bit less aware of them due to the hub and spoke system and the idea that in reality, very very few people in the US would be on the whole itinerary from the aircraft's origination to it's ultimate destination.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Let's say SR flies ZRH-BOM-HKG-ICN, then that provides a HUGE HUGE incentive for KE to fly ICN-ZRH nonstop and capture ALL the demand, while SR gets NOTHING to ICN. Throw in CX doing HKG-ZRH nonstop and SR gets nothing to HKG either.

And there's more than enough demand to fill nonstops to each of the 3 cities so it makes no sense to make intermediate stops unless there's an operational need to do so (beyond economic nonstop range primarily). There are also often restrictions on 5th freedom traffic. Even if it's permitted it may be subject to limits on the number of 5th freedom passengers that can be carried, and 5th feedom traffic is almost always lower yield than 3rd and 4th freedom.

High-yield business travellers, that generate most of the profits on many routes, also much prefer nonstops and would only choose a multi-stop routing if there was some incentive to do so, meaning a significantly lower fare, again meaning lower yield.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
YYC-YWG-YQT-YYZ is not a big deal because of WS ability to stimulate traffic along the entire route. But I bet you they carry next to zero traffic from YYC to YYZ over that routing and it certainly isnt their only offering from YYC to YYZ.

WS has dozens of flights with as many as 3 stops (very few with more than 2 stops), but as you say it's rarely because passengers are actually travelling end-to-end but because it's the aircraft routing, and it may help generate a few additional passengers in markets with no WS nonstop service (but where AC may have nonstops or more frequent connecting service) since direct flights (single flight number) are usually perceived as a somewhat more attractive option than a connection, and have higher display priority in systems.

Some random examples of WS flights with stops. There are many others:

WS101 YYZ-YYC-YVR (certainly no need for a 1-stop YYZ-YVR as there are many nonstops)
WS105 YXX-YYC-YXE
WS107 YQG-YYC-YVR-YXS
WS126 YYC-YWG-YOW
WS132 YLW-YYC-YWG-YQT-YYZ (one of the rare WS flights with 3 stops)
WS147 YHZ-YOW-YEG
WS153 YLW-YYC-YEG-YQU
WS158 YMM-YYC-YYZ
WS176 YWG-YYC-YLW
WS189 YXE-YEG-YLW
WS194 YVR-YYC-YXE
WS195 YOW-YYZ-YQR
WS197 YQR-YEG-YLW-YYJ
WS209 YQR-YYC-YYJ
WS216 YMM-YEG-YYC-YUL
WS220 YVR-YYC-YMM
WS221 YHM-YYC-YYJ
WS224 YLW-YEG-YOW-YHZ
WS229 YHZ-YYC-YQQ
WS247 YHZ-YHM-YWG
WS257 YOW-YYC-YLW-YVR
WS299 YYZ-YWG-YYC-YQQ
WS302 YQU-YEG-YYC-YOW
WS307 YWG-YVR-YXS
WS391 YHZ-YEG-YVR
WS312 YYJ-YLW-YEG-YQR


User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Much of the expense associated with flying from point A to point C is takeoff. Add in point B and its get prohibitively expensive.


That is what I understand as well. Add in the extra maintenance costs of higher number of cycles and the shorter aircraft life, and your costs go up even more.

AS still has some "milk run" routes from SEA to some of the Alaska towns like Juneau, Ketchikan, Wrangell, and others.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 23):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Much of the expense associated with flying from point A to point C is takeoff. Add in point B and its get prohibitively expensive.


That is what I understand as well. Add in the extra maintenance costs of higher number of cycles and the shorter aircraft life, and your costs go up even more.

AS still has some "milk run" routes from SEA to some of the Alaska towns like Juneau, Ketchikan, Wrangell, and others.

That is my take too. Additional cycles, and the fuel required for take off and landings at the extra stops. Plane are at their most efficient at cruise, so it may be more profitable to have a lower load factor than stopping repeatedly.



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25 SHAQ : Well, Copa Airlines operates the CM116 which is PTY-SJO-MGA-GUA Among crews, this flight is called " el lechero" Also they have PTY-MGA-GUA PTY-GUA-MG
26 OzarkD9S : As smaller jets become less and less cost effective and the regional partners of the US legacies move into larger equipment, some smaller markets may
27 AmericanAirFan : Southwest Airlines has an amazing offering of routes. With the way they work their fleet you can find yourself on nonstop transcontinental routes, or
28 SANMAN66 : Several years ago I flew WN on a routing that was BNA-SAN-SFO. It was kind of strange after stopping in SAN, the same flight went straight up the coas
29 YYCspotter : Jazz does YEG-YYC-YLW-YVR i beleve
30 Flytravel : deleted. .[Edited 2012-07-24 18:23:02]
31 skycruiser : Don't forget UA's island hopper! UA154 HNL-MAJ-KWA-TTK-PNI-TKK-GUM
32 Post contains images zkeoj : Some call it odyssey, others heaven (the latter being anutters and the like ) and "terrestrial periphereis" as well. Wideroe offers plenty of those "
33 lweber557 : Flying on WN back in the day (mid 90's for me) pretty much guaranteed stopping at random airports which was awesome when your a kid. I can remember th
34 PI734 : I remember flying Piedmont back in the 80's and flying from AVL to CLE/BUF and sometimes would get routed up thru TRI-ROA-CRW-HTS then over to DCA/BWI
35 RWA380 : UA did this type of flying out west too, SEA-PDX-EUG-MFR-SFO-LAX, SEA-PDX-PDT-BOI-SLC, SEA-PDX-SLE-EUG-SFO-SAN were a few. I think QX would be wise t
36 JohnClipper : There are still a few out there... UL - CMB-BKK-HKG vv. KQ - NBO-BKK-HKG vv. ET - ADD-BKK-HKG vv. EK - DXB-BKK-HKG vv. PK - LHE-ISB-BKK-HKG vv. notice
37 FlySSC : Not only ... Air France restarted since the beginning of this year quite a few multi-stop long haul flights, particularly in Africa after they stoppe
38 mogandoCI : If you view LAN as a single group instead of a collection of entirely independent airlines with no relationship to each other, then a few of those yo
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