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SQ A380 To HKG/SFO Instead Of FRA/JFK  
User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17357 times:

This winter, Singapore Airlines will swap the aircraft used on the SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-FRA-JFK routes. The means SFO will see the A380 and JFK the B777-300ER.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/24/sq-w12update2/

Have these airports seen SQ service with these aircraft types already?

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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 17309 times:
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Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):
Have these airports seen SQ service with these aircraft types already?

NO.

I've been asking for years about SQ operating the A380 into SFO. And all the naysayers said Singapore would not operate the A380 into SFO anytime soon.

SQ flying the A380 into SFO is the best airline news of the year for me. I'll even go further than that, I'm confident SFO will have SQ A380 service year round soon.


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 17246 times:

In addition to that....it looks like NRT and LAX will both get another A380. Two for NRT through SQ and a new rotation (continuation of SIN-NRT into LAX). I think QA is the only other A380 operating out of LAX if I am not mistaken?

"Tokyo Narita will be served with two A380s each day instead of one. This will also be on a seasonal basis between 28 December and 24 March in place of B777-300ER services. The existing A380 service will continue to operate to Tokyo Narita and beyond to Los Angeles."

http://www.impactpub.com.au/micebtn/...-50/12146-singapore-shuffles-fleet


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 17195 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 2):
The existing A380 service will continue to operate to Tokyo Narita and beyond to Los Angeles."

Misread the article as LAX is already apart of the SIN-NRT-LAX A380 routing. Looks like just a 2nd rotation for NRT only out of SIN.


User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8275 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 17101 times:
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When SQ introduced the A380 many thought SFO to HKG would be th second route to get the plane, it seems to be the last major SQ route to get it. IT took long enough but finally we can all take the A380 to HKG from the USA.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 17049 times:

A surprisingly quick change of heart, but not all that shocking. SFO is becoming quite an A380 hotspot these days...

User currently onlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 16984 times:

Interesting to see SIN-FRA-JFK downgrading from A380 to 77W. In June I had problems getting seats on SIN-FRA. I flew on a Monday with the Saturday and Sunday flights wait listed and even the Monday flight went out full (at least in Y). However, it could be that the load on FRA-JFK is poor.

User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 16952 times:

Quoting LH422 (Thread starter):

This winter, Singapore Airlines will swap the aircraft used on the SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-FRA-JFK routes. The means SFO will see the A380 and JFK the B777-300ER.

SQ1/2 become SQ51/52.



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User currently offlineabba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1329 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 16946 times:

Might this mean that SQ might need a few more A380s?

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 16905 times:
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Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
SFO is becoming quite an A380 hotspot these days...

well they only Lufthansa and now Singapore. AF pulled the A380 out of SFO

LAX is up to 4 A380 operators


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 16873 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
well they only Lufthansa and now Singapore.

As of now, it will be LH in the summer and SQ in the winter.


User currently offlinefraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 16792 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 10):
As of now, it will be LH in the summer and SQ in the winter.

LH extended the 380 route just until JAN13.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16774 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
Interesting to see SIN-FRA-JFK downgrading from A380 to 77W.

Don't forget that USA-Europe demand drops off sharply after the summer season. I think LH pulled their A380 from FRA-JFK last winter as well.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 2):
I think QA is the only other A380 operating out of LAX if I am not mistaken?

LAX has QF, KE, SQ, and AF.



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16734 times:

FRA will be down to two A380 operators (LH/KE) until TG starts service in December.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16626 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):

Oops, sorry. I didn't realise AF had pulled their service...

Is this change seasonal, or year round?


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16480 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
Oops, sorry. I didn't realise AF had pulled their service...

Is this change seasonal, or year round?

They only operated June 6 to September 9, 2011, following the confusion after pulling the A380 off the NRT route.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
However, it could be that the load on FRA-JFK is poor.

Apparently so. There is quite a bit of competition and the departure time from FRA (08:20) is very early. Also, they only codeshare with US, not LH or UA. I wonder why that is so.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16380 times:

I think it's a shame to downgrade the SIN-FRA-JFK from a A380 to a 777. That is a very long flight and I think the passengers will miss not being able to walk around.

I hope they find an A380 to do that route.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16380 times:

SQ sure loves moving it's A380s around.

They moved the a380 off the MEL route earlier this year to put it onto FRA/JFK, although the flight is back now and they are adding the 2nd daily here also. The priorities are obviously reviewed on an ongoing basis to allocate this aircraft around.


User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1024 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16318 times:

Anyone have thoughts about how CX will respond to this?


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16026 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
That is a very long flight and I think the passengers will miss not being able to walk around.

I did not know they could not walk around on a 77W?  

Glad to see SQ 1/2 being flown by the A380. Besides Chinese New Year, kind of odd to start during the Winter season. If it pans out, I would expect it to be flown during the S13 season.



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User currently offlinesfoa380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15934 times:

Hopefully this will become year round quickly. Hong Kong is the busiest international destination from SFO with nealry a million passengers annually on three airlines. It's about time SQ stepped up to the plate and put their flagship bird on their flagship route.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15883 times:

Is this a seasonal change @ JFK? It is such a shame and I'm sure gonna miss seeing the exotic aircraft. Plus, this does not help in the war between JFK and LAX to see who can get more a380s!  

User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15489 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
However, it could be that the load on FRA-JFK is poor.

That might be a reason why during the fall months you find these seats at quite promotional price on the market. In 2011 there was an offer like 499 Euro including taxes RT, a few years ago I saw one at 349 Euro including taxes.

SQ could have better load factors on this segment if they would fly later, most transfer passengers can not make it in due time for the departure at 8:30 from FRA, and to pay one extra night in the hotel, visa issue, makes these offers interesting only for residents of the Rhine-Maine-Area.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4864 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15155 times:
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No matter how great the SQ product is, SQ is never going to have an easy time in a market such as FRA-JFK...it's not a "natural" market for SQ given that neither end of this route is SQ's home market. LH will have the lion's share of the market from the German end, and the US carriers control a good portion on the US side. The regular traveler also almost never thinks of SQ when they want to fly between Germany and NY, hence SQ often has to offer discounts both in Y and in J between JFK and FRA.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 15):
Also, they only codeshare with US, not LH or UA. I wonder why that is so.

Long time ago, LH used to codeshare on SQ's FRA-JFK but they ended that relationship only one or two years after.


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15058 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
Interesting to see SIN-FRA-JFK downgrading from A380 to 77W. In June I had problems getting seats on SIN-FRA.

I had trouble getting on a flight JFK-FRA on April 14. Eventually I made it on that flight, but it was packed. Not a single seat left and Y, J and F.



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25 EBGflyer : Totally agree. I had this issue myself. I did JFK-FRA (with SQ) and then FRA-CPH (with SK) which was a perfect fit transfer-wise. But I have been loo
26 bkkair : SQ has many routes with more frequencies (BKK 5x daily, HKG 7x daily) for instance. For historical reasons and sheer frequency, I would say SIN-LHR w
27 EddieDude : I am pretty sure that one of the several daily SQ SIN-HKG frequencies is served with an A380.
28 lightsaber : Maybe. I see SQ being a bit conservative in aircraft orders for another ~18 months. I'm not surprised. In particular as there seems to be little code
29 fraT : Not sure when TG will have the A380 on the FRA route but as SQ will do the switch to the 777 on 27DEC, the possibility for only 2 A380 operators is n
30 bioyuki : You are incorrect. There are more weekly seats and flights SFO-TYO then there are SFO-HKG.
31 Viscount724 : SQ doesn't even codeshare with UA. They've never been the best of friends.
32 mercure1 : I think this is much more about reality in Europe and FRA/JFK market then how great SFO might be. SQ simply has to place the A380 someplace, and SFO w
33 Post contains images DocLightning : SFO has seen the SQ 744 (RIP ) and the 77W. We have only seen A380 service with LH and AF. Both LH and AF served us with the A380 last summer; only L
34 LAXintl : Top SFO international market is indeed HKG. Per DOT in 2011, 891,257 flew the route. Second largest is LHR, while to Asia the second largest is ICN at
35 kaitak744 : QF has daily MEL and Daily SYD KE has daily ICN AF has daily CDG SQ has daily NRT-SIN Does this mark the first time officially that SFO will have mor
36 Post contains images laca773 : . No codeshares and the rather early westbound departure makes the flight less desirable for the majority, even though SQ's service is among the best
37 sfoa380 : SQ has operated more seats out of SFO for the past several years, at least since the LAX-TPE-SIN went to the 345 LAX-SIN nonstop. LOL--Last I checked
38 N782NC : If they're just swapping aircraft, why would SQ change the flight numbers? A bit off topic but... how long has SFO held the SQ 1/2 flight numbers?
39 bioyuki : In terms of capacity for summer 2012: SFO-TYO: 9,100 weekly seats SFO-HKG: 9,023 SFO-ICN: 8,225
40 kaitak744 : LAX daily capacity on SQ A380 471 A340-500 100 Total: 571 SFO daily capacity on SQ 2x 777-300ER 2 x 278 = 556 So, on the days that the LAX-SIN nonsto
41 chiawei : About time SQ1/2 goes whale jet. SQ1/2 is very difficult to secure seat in J- especially saturday departure.
42 YYZAMS : I am guessing LH and SQ have something worked out on the JFK-FRA route. Also, I be UA and SQ have something worked out as well out of SFO to make it p
43 FSDan : Do these stats only consider O&D traffic? I would believe that. In terms of available capacity, it's very close. Currently: SFO-HKG UA Daily 744
44 Post contains images Norcal773 : This is great news for me because it's my best shot of flying the A380 this year Why would they be changing the flight numbers though from SQ1/2?
45 infinit : Not experienced on FRA-JFK but from what I heard, this 5th freedom flight was never high yielding for SQ, Many here were surprised when they announced
46 Post contains images RayChuang : FINALLY. People forget that the San Francisco Bay Area (indeed, much of northern California) has a huge expatriate population of Hong Kong-born Chines
47 Post contains links Docpepz : Hi Ray I was wondering when you'd reply. I had tracked your posts on SQ2/1 going A380 from 2008: SQ 380 New Routes (by Planetime Aug 19 2008 in Civil
48 United Airline : There are lots of Hong Kong people in San Francisco indeed. How does that compare to Vancouver? Which city has more Hong Kong people? The A380 is a sm
49 LH422 : It seems KE are also pulling their daily A380 off the FRA route for the winter.
50 airbazar : That is almost not relevant. The key statistic here is the type of customer flying between HK and SanFran, which are 2 of the biggest financial cente
51 AngMoh : SIN-FRA-JFK is a difficult route. SIN-FRA can use an A380, but FRA-JFK needs something much smaller. For me personally, the best option would be SIN-
52 Post contains images laca773 : . I think many people forget about this. Comparing the markets between LAX & SFO to HKG there's quite a bit of difference when most people think
53 DocLightning : While great for Singaporeans, arriving anywhere at 1AM for a non-local, having to go through immigration, leaving the airport at 2-3A, and then havin
54 atsiang : I always go to HKG from SFO flying only on SQ. Each time I fly, the outbound flight to HK is always full. It is about time SQ switch to a larger aircr
55 EddieDude : But immigration at SIN is a breeze!
56 Post contains images LAXintl : HKG is one of the few intercontinental market that is larger at SFO vs LAX. Here are some other Asia/Pacific ones for comparison: NRT-LAX - 1,114,251
57 laca773 : Thank you for posting those numbers, LAXintl. It definitely is very interesting. I wonder if we'll see CX add an additional SFO flight now that SQ is
58 legacyins : Yes, but SFO has the only dedicated CX lounge in the US. Also, CX moved its N. American Headquarters from S. Cali to San Francisco a couple of years
59 A2 : Can anyone tell me which config A380 will be flown to SFO? Will it be the ones with Y on upper deck?
60 AngMoh : It does not take that long. Scheduled arrival is 0:45. Most of the time you land about 15 mins early and even if you land at 0:45, by 1:45 you are in
61 Post contains images LAXintl : As a frequent traveler to Singapore, I actually tend to schedule midnight’ish arrivals on purpose, especially when I'm in the Asia/Pacific region a
62 RayChuang : I think one thing that might mitigate against SQ using the A380 at SFO is the fact SQ 1 leaves SFO pretty late at night, not exactly very convenient f
63 LH422 : I'm guessing yes, since these were the ones used on SQ25/26. I really like that upper deck Y section...
64 ZK-NBT : I wonder if SQ could change the FRA-JFK service to their other SIN-FRA service with a rejig in the schedules. Its not the easiest flight to schedule d
65 Post contains links 9VSWR : According to the below press release, SQ was actually granted rights to operate flights from MXP-NYC for a minimum period of 18-months. I don't under
66 LH422 : At the moment, there are no daytime flights from the US to Germany. Such a flight would be even worse than the current SQ 26: You couldn't get a conn
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