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Latam Plans To Open 4 New Destinations In Europe  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12080 times:
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LATAM Airlines Group's general manager for Europe, Francisco Vidal, recently stated that the company plans to launch routes to four new destinations in Europe with-in the next two years. LATAM views Europe as being a "strategic" market and currently serves five destinations in Europe: CDG, FRA, LHR, MAD, and MXP.

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El gerente general para Europa de LATAM Airlines Group, Francisco Vidal, ha señalado que la compañía prevé operar cuatro nuevos destinos europeos en los próximos dos años, unas rutas que se sumarían a las cinco que ya posee en el Viejo Continente. El grupo, resultante de la fusión de la aerolínea chilena LAN con la brasileña TAM, contempla Europa como un mercado "estratégico" en el que prevé desarrollarse, gracias a su "alta especialización" en la unión entre Latinoamérica con España, Francia, Alemania, Italia y Reino Unido.
LATAM prevé operar cuatro nuevos destinos europeos en los próximos dos años

Recently, LAN expressed an interest in opening routes to BCN and FCO. What other destinations in Europe could be of interest to LATAM...

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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12169 times:

my guess

Paris
London
Madrid
Milan
Frankfurt
Rome
Barcelona
Zurich
Amsterdam


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12176 times:
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just a guess i would consider Copenhagen Amsterdam and Lisbon as missing links for LATAM

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12101 times:

I would suggest LIS, OPO, BCN, FCO and BER.


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User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12091 times:

I'm kind of surprised that TAM doesn't already serve LIS.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12076 times:
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Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):

Paris
London
Madrid
Milan
Frankfurt

The article mentions 4 new destinations in Europe. LATAM currently serves all the destinations listed above.

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):

Rome
Barcelona

These two destinations have been mentioned several times...


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12007 times:

Should all the new European destinations be out of SCL and/or GRU?

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11931 times:
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Quoting LIPZ (Reply 6):
Should all the new European destinations be out of SCL and/or GRU?

It could be out of any of LATAM's primary hubs: BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, LIM, and SCL. However, LATAM's Chairman, Mauricio Rolim Amaro, recently stated in the Chilean press that new routes from SCL, GIG and GRU to Europe are very much on the agenda...


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11893 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
It could be out of any of LATAM's primary hubs: BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, LIM, and SCL. However, LATAM's Chairman, Mauricio Rolim Amaro, recently stated in the Chilean press that new routes from SCL, GIG and GRU to Europe are very much on the agenda...

Thanks for sharing the info.

I guess that apart from MAD (that will be likely linked to many - if not all - of new LATAM's hubs), some airports would get 1 link (GRU or SCL), some 2 routes (GRU & GIG or GRU & SCL), some 3 routes (GRU & GIG & SCL).

I think BOG, LIM will see direct service to Europe to MAD only for a long time.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11598 times:
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Quoting LIPZ (Reply 8):
Thanks for sharing the info.

LAN could also fly between Chile and Europe via points in Brazil.

Mr. Vidal states that LATAM could open four new destinations in Europe with-in the next two years. He also reiterates that LATAM does not view Iberia as a "competitor", but as a "partner"; and that LATAM could strengthen ties not only with Iberia, but with British Airways as well. He also reveals that LAN will be the first airline to operate the Boeing 787 Dreamliner into Madrid.

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Latam Airlines Group, resultante de la fusión entre la brasileña TAM y la chilena LAN, tiene previsto añadir en los próximos dos años cuatro destinos europeos a los cinco a los que vuela en la actualidad, ha anunciado hoy el nuevo gerente general para Europa del grupo, Francisco Vidal...Al ser preguntado si sería más lógico optar por Star Alliance, toda vez que Iberia, líder del mercado entre Europa y Latinoamérica, forma parte de Oneworld, Vidal ha asegurado que Iberia "no es competidor" de Latam, sino "socio" suyo. "Dentro de las decisiones futuras, obviamente existe la posibilidad de intensificar la relación con Iberia si Latam permanece en Oneworld, obviamente la oportunidad de intensificar la relación con Iberia es grande, y con British Airways también", ha señalado.
Latam Airlines prevé añadir cuatro destinos en Europa a los cinco que tiene actualmente

[Edited 2012-07-24 08:16:57]

User currently offlinelisbonbearuk From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

LIS will surely depend on two things 1) who buys TAP and 2) which alliances the 'new' TAP and LATAM decide to be members of.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11153 times:
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Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 10):
LATAM decide to be members of.

LAN is staying in the oneworld alliance and TAM will be leaving the Star Alliance...


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11029 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):

LAN is staying in the oneworld alliance and TAM will be leaving the Star Alliance...

The second half of your statement is unquestionably true - the regulatory approval of the LAN/TAM merger specified that LATAM coudn't be in the same alliance as TACA/AVIANCA - who as we know has just joined Star.

Hopefully LAN and TAM will remain/join OneWorld but we have to wait and see. I am sure the OneWorld members have been courting LAN and TAM with increased vigour to make sure this happens.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10376 times:
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LATAM's network to Europe:



*LAN Colombia currently holds 11 weekly frequencies between BOG and MAD.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

what about throwing theses into the game,

1. BCN
2. FCO
3. MAN
4. NCE 



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8625 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 14):
what about throwing theses into the game,

1. BCN
2. FCO

Concerning LAN, the B-787s will enable LAN to open new non-stop routes between SCL and Europe. LAN has recently shown an interest in launching routes such as Santiago-Barcelona and Santiago-Roma. IMO, LAN will eventually drop the tag-on to FRA on the SCL-MAD-FRA route and operate SCL-FRA as a non-stop service. By 2014, LAN could be operating:

SCL-MAD
SCL-FRA
SCL-BCN
SCL-FCO


Concerning TAM, it would depend on the privatization process of TAP. However, it would not be surprising to see TAM operating into destinations such as AMS, CPH, FCO, LIS, ZRH, etc. in the future.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3299 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 2):
just a guess i would consider Copenhagen Amsterdam and Lisbon
Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 10):
LIS will surely depend on two things 1) who buys TAP and 2) which alliances the 'new' TAP and LATAM decide to be members of

LIS seems to be the most glaring open spot on their European map. I expect them to start LIS sooner than later.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
recently stated in the Chilean press that new routes from SCL, GIG and GRU to Europe are very much on the agenda...

More routes from the Portugese speaking country in S. America to Europe? This solidifies my point that LIS is on the fast track to being part of the LATAM network.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 14):
3. MAN

You know, right after LIS, MAN was my second guess. Many foreign airlines are enjoying some good revenue operating from MAN.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6917 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 16):
More routes from the Portugese speaking country in S. America to Europe? This solidifies my point that LIS is on the fast track to being part of the LATAM network.

I think they have bigger fish to fry. I'd say ZRH, AMS, BER, FCO, BCN, MOW, would all be ahead of LIS.
TP has a huge advantage in the LIS-Brazil market that LATAM would have a very hard time breaking into. The O&D market is not that big and rich. TP makes it work because they provide conenctions at LIS to just about every major European city and they own the corporate contracts thanks to the amount of frequencies they can provide. LATAM would have next to zero feed at LIS. That is why TAM does not serve LIS today.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6846 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
TP makes it work because they provide conenctions at LIS to just about every major European city and they own the corporate contracts thanks to the amount of frequencies they can provide.

LIS-GRU 11x weekly is hardly impressive; there are more frequencies on the MAD-GRU route.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
TP has a huge advantage in the LIS-Brazil market that LATAM would have a very hard time breaking into.

TP also has an advantage in that it currently code-shares with JJ on all of its routes between Portugal and Brazil. LATAM already knows how much JJ contributes to TP's bottom line. If LATAM views the GRU-LIS and/or GIG-LIS routes as being potentially profitable; they will fly it.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
LATAM would have next to zero feed at LIS. That is why TAM does not serve LIS today.

That's not the reason why TAM does not serve LIS. Also, LATAM has feed from other destinations with-in Brazil into its hubs at GRU and GIG!


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Interesting that, at least one of the airlines in the group is actually downgrading capacity to Europe (LAN withdrawing A340's, putting 767's via GIG until the arrival of 787's). They would actually have less capacity in the route even with the 787's.

I'm guessing that the increase will come from TAM's side.

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
That's not the reason why TAM does not serve LIS. Also, LATAM has feed from other destinations with-in Brazil into its hubs at GRU and GIG!

That is true, except for Fortaleza, Natal, Porto Alegra, Recife, Salvador, Brasilia, Belo Horizonte which are all served by TP nonstop.

Also, why doesn't JJ fly to LIS?

A388


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4019 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
Concerning LAN, the B-787s will enable LAN to open new non-stop routes between SCL and Europe.

Among cities where LATAM has a large presence, SCL is the worst-located to serve Europe. And Rio and SP are much bigger markets. The only reason LATAM would open SCL-BCN or SCL-FCO would be because LATAM is controlled by Chileans based in Santiago.

Now that LAN has TAM, the only sensible services out of SCL are from oneworld hubs, MAD-SCL and LHR-SCL.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
LIS-GRU 11x weekly is hardly impressive; there are more frequencies on the MAD-GRU route.

My point exactly. There isn't enough demand for 2 airlines. However keep in mind that TP doesn't need a lot of seats to GRU because they serve 9 cities in Brazil and can send passengers there directly rather than connect via GRU.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
TP also has an advantage in that it currently code-shares with JJ on all of its routes between Portugal and Brazil. LATAM already knows how much JJ contributes to TP's bottom line. If LATAM views the GRU-LIS and/or GIG-LIS routes as being potentially profitable; they will fly it.

My point is that with 2 airlines on the route, neither will be profitable so LATAM won't bother serving LIS when they can fly routes with more potential.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
That's not the reason why TAM does not serve LIS. Also, LATAM has feed from other destinations with-in Brazil into its hubs at GRU and GIG!

Which is irrelevant because there's hardly any traffic from LIS to any destination in S.America that is not already served by TP non-stop.

[Edited 2012-07-25 07:52:57]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Talking about TP's take over, what's the status of Avianca's bid for TP?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6416 times:
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Quoting incitatus (Reply 21):
Among cities where LATAM has a large presence, SCL is the worst-located to serve Europe. And Rio and SP are much bigger markets.

LAN firmly believes that the B-787s will enable the airline to open new non-stop routes to Europe bypassing MAD from both LIM and SCL. Yes, LAN now has a major hub at GRU and will fly alongside TAM to destinations in Europe. LAN will have 12 B-787s in its fleet by 2014.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 21):
The only reason LATAM would open SCL-BCN or SCL-FCO would be because LATAM is controlled by Chileans based in Santiago.

Seriously, LAN would open those routes if LAN sees demand for those services. LIM-BCN is also another possibility.


25 incitatus : In the context of LATAM SCL-BCN, SCL-FCO or LIM-BCN make no sense if GRU-BCN and GRU-FCO can be had. SCL-MAD on Lan survives on a large local market
26 SCL767 : LATAM operates a "multi-hub multi-destination" system and domestic flights, as well as certain regional flights also feed long-haul flights. Internat
27 A388 : I have read several times about the economy in Peru being the fastest growing in South America so I can see why KL and AF are increasing their presenc
28 incitatus : But the acquisition of TAM creates opportunities for LAN to connect passengers in both GRU and GIG and fly them from there nonstop to Europe. Thus ne
29 C010T3 : TP was barred from flying to GRU more than double daily by the ANAC. GIG was also freezed at 15x weekly. They received the opportunity to fly multipl
30 SCL767 : SCL pax already connect onto TAM operated flights to Europe via GRU. Thus, it's non-stop to Europe from Brazil, not from SCL. That's because LAN does
31 AirGabon : SCL-CDG non-stop this time, with the B787, to compete with daily AF B777
32 incitatus : The 787 won't change the handicaps of SCL. Imagine Air New Zealand purchases Qantas. Immediately, routes from AKL to secondary destinations in SE Asi
33 A388 : The most important thing is to look at passenger flows from South America to Europe. If Brazil is the largest market than obviously it makes more sen
34 RAGAZZO777 : Unsure if the Peruvian economy is currently the fastest growing in South America, but the truth is that the Chilean, Colombian and Peruvian economies
35 Post contains links SCL767 : Indeed, the Chilean economy continues to grow robustly, which is reflected by the significant increase in air traffic. Last month, international traf
36 Talaier : I agree the market from SCL is small. The only way more SCL-Europe flights can be introduced is reducing the feed the SCL-MAD flights currently have,
37 SCL767 : Yes, the B-787s will be utilized on new routes to Europe. LAN will also replace the A343 on the SCL-MAD-FRA route with the B-787. The freed up A343s
38 Talaier : Interesting to see that AF carries more passengers than IB (albeit marginally more: 3% vs. 2,7% market share which is not even a 1,000 pax more a mon
39 SCL767 : IB operates the A346 at least 3x weekly into SCL and the A343 4x weekly. It's interesting to note that traffic on AF's daily service has increased by
40 LipeGIG : In my view all will come from some interesting routes. First, we will see Latam consolidating intra-hub routes between 5 of their primary hubs (SCL, L
41 SCL767 : BOG is also a LATAM hub. LATAM will soon operate BOG-GRU 13x weekly, LP currently operates LIM-BOG 2x daily, LA operates SCL-BOG 7x weekly, and LAN E
42 RAGAZZO777 : Interesting analysis, guys. Let me share with you my views on it: . I'm sorry, but there are already 2 carriers on the BCN-GRU route while there's non
43 SCL767 : Indeed, LAN will eventually launch new non-stop routes from its hubs at BOG, LIM and SCL and isn't going to route every flight to Europe via Brazil.
44 RAGAZZO777 : Hopefully, the LIM-MAD route operated by LP will see the 787-9 as soon as LAN takes delivery of that aircraft type. The current 763s are way too smal
45 SCL767 : The B-787-9s will initially replace the A-343s.
46 RWA380 : How would that be routed, with both SFO and LAX already having n/s service to LIM, would SEA or YVR be a good fit? Of course with full 5th freedom ri
47 incitatus : I realize you are talking about international service. But once you put together all the LATAM carriers, GRU is their largest base and the second lar
48 Post contains images airbazar : That may be the case but it doesn't change the fact that the market is relatively small and will continue to be relatively small. Chile's biggest tra
49 incitatus : We do not know exactly why LA serves FRA. Only LA knows. Multiple German airports can be reached from MAD, so a lot of Germany-bound traffic can chan
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