NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5152 posts, RR: 49 Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 40708 times:
So now it's looking like some of the Trent 1000 powered '87s are delayed because of the gear box issue. There are about 5 '87s for ANA and LAN that are ready to be delivered and have engines hanging off them but apparently need the new gear box.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 179): According to PTI the GoM is to take up the issue of the AI-Boeing compensation deal. I don't know what that means in terms of finally having these airplanes delivered or if it's just another cog in the bureaucratic wheel but there it is. I'm only guessing that they're going to make their recommedation yea or nay to the CCEA who will then give it their own yea or nay. Thank god for the free market system here or else nothing will ever get done.
There are approvals left before CCEA can make a decision, GoM being one of them. Currently, it is hoped that all approvals will be taken care of this week, so CCEA can take up the issue early next week
If CCEA approves the package, AI is hoping for delivery of 3 jets on Thursday or Friday.
Airports 2012: IXE HYD DEL BLR BOM CCU KNU KTM BKK SIN ICN LAX BUR SFO PHX IAH ORD EWR PHL PVD BOS FRA MUC IST
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 39950 times:
CCEA will approve the package. If they don't, things unravel as far as the negotiations are concerned. Boeing has enough on its plate without tying up completed aircraft waiting for a bloated bureaucratic to wheeze through their process.
AI 's survival is tied into becoming more efficient. These a/c are key to it so they'll eventually pull their heads out. If not, there are plenty of other airlines who'll take them off Boeing's hands.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 39617 times:
GE is ahead of RR in fuel burn, the GE engine started at 3-2.7% over spec and T1000A started at 3-4% over. PIP1 for GE took more than 1.7% off the fuel burn, say with PIP one it is about 1% above spec. With Trent1000B RR is still about 2% above spec. Trent1000C will get it to about 1% above spec. GEs PIP2 should get the GEnx below spec, if it takes another 1.1% off the fuel burn.
PIP2 will be installed in 2013, it still has to get certified this year.
Why the GEnx on the 748 is harder to get to spec must be that it has a smaller fan and is a bleed engine?
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 5901 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (10 months 21 hours ago) and read 39327 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1): So now it's looking like some of the Trent 1000 powered '87s are delayed because of the gear box issue.
If true, just to throw a plug in for those who speculated that the delayed deliveries was due to some unknown issue, most of the speculation did not seem malicious, but as usual, links for facts were lacking.
Highlights a point made in another thread, once the production ball starts rolling its diffucult to put GE engine frames in front of RR frames while the issue is resolved.
Does however raise a question, could one have both types in Washington but only one engine type in Charleston?
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (10 months 17 hours ago) and read 37988 times:
Boeing just wrapped up its earnings call. I could not listen to the entire call but was able to pick up the following tid-bits on the 787:
-Production rate still planned to hit 5/month by end of 2012 - 10/month by end of 2013
-Delivery guidance for the 787 remains at 35-42 frames for 2012
-Customer demand is driving monthly delivery rates
-11 delivered to date with an up-tick in delivery rate expected for the remainder of the year.
-50% will be delivered out of the EMC/ 50% from the line
- EMC to be active for the next 1 1/2 years (maybe longer)
-RR engine issue will not impact delivery guidance.
-When asked if the deliveries could exceed guidance the response was "We have a good plan to meet guidance"
-Supply chain: challenges but no show-stoppers. Aft fuselage remains a concern for production ramp-up
-The 787-10 is shaping up for possible board approval by end of 2012/early 2013, to have strong demand and will be the "perfect" next phase of the 787 program
Please provide correction, amplifications, and/or new info.
Fyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 747 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (10 months 13 hours ago) and read 36511 times:
Now that AM and Boeing have unveiled the purchase of 10 Dreamliners, several articles mention that the company has already secured 9 788 orders and leases. As far as I know, only 7 planes have been announced and the lease planes coming from ILFC.
Recently Air Seychelles cancelled LN 35307 and LN 35309, also from ILFC.
Do you believe these LNs have been reassigned to AM?
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (10 months 13 hours ago) and read 36387 times:
12 delivered so far and if looking at Uresh layout I count 12 light green coloured frames, frames that have passed production or rework. That would make 24. Add another 11 for the remaining year it is at 35 frames.
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 516 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (10 months 11 hours ago) and read 35870 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 16): Add another 11 for the remaining year it is at 35 frames.
That is looking at deliveries from a production standpoint. If there is one interesting insight I gleaned from today's earnings call (and the AI saga) it is that the customers ultimately pace deliveries.
Boeing can build a complete 787, but if the end-user is not prepared to (or can't) take delivery, then there will be no fly-away. Seems counter-intuitive after years of delays and with such a huge backlog, but Boeing Mgt said today that low deliveries since May were at the request of customers.
Now, this may be nuanced language to pin delivery delays on customers not willing to take frames as they demanded software updates, Package B Trents or because of the gear-box issue, but nonetheless, the customer had the final say-so. Financing and operational preparedness on the customer side can also factor into deliveries timing. Having witnessed so many delays, airlines may not be in a position to earnestly prepare for a delivery until it is absolutely certain to occur.